Sheva Who?

Patience, my friend. Patience.

Just Milan's second best scorer ever and a golden ball winner. And who you are exactly?

100% agree with han. Sheva played 45 minutes after a long time, missed one chance and some people are all over him just to prove their point while most of the team played bad .Pippo could have scored 3-4 goals, Ronaldinho missed a few good chances though played good, Pato seemed lost when he came in, Seedorf and Kaladze were awful.

"how to anger Misha for Dummies"

Tell us something new. Other than that, true post. For some weird reasons people seem awful depressed and pissed off with things. Everyone criticizing the players, etc. Which is understandable, because technically this was our easiest fixture. We messed up three easy points, plain and simple.

Just wait and see when teams like Fiorentina, Roma, Juventus, and the merda play against Bologna at home.

45 minutes and written off, fickle game.

Ronaldinho was entertaining and did play well, but for the last 20 minutes he was no where to be seen. Man-marked for that period and he was out of the game. Don't see too many people talking about that on here!

I think you guys either remember Sheva as some superman and you expect that again or you're just being harsh. Even when Sheva was in his peak he didn't have a massive impact in the game, like on the ball 24/7 etc, he'd just take his chances when given. He isn't as impressive as say a C.Ronaldo or a Ronaldinho in his peak but he was a damn good striker.

Often being quiet for most of the game then bang a moment of genious and the game was won. But don't expect him to be running rings around players, doing fancy tricks etc because he very rarely ever did.

Well, it's only a first game, but that loss was a little harsh to swallow. The start of new season, all the new players and a pretty easy opponent (so we thought ). But i'm sure it will be fine after some time: Kaka and especially Nesta will come back, new players will integrate better into the team, some of them still not regained full fitness, and I don't think Carlo is sure about which formation to play. The talent is there, we only saw a small portion of it yesterday.

Agreed. Yes, talent. That's what provides us with hope. Had we not signed key players and strengthened our squad, it would have been a continuation of last year for us fans. Having said that, there are still a lot of issues to be sorted out.

Immense players they are, Kaka and Nesta still don't make 10% of Milan. Combined. We have to lessen our dependability on them, as they are already overburdened and injured. What they bring to the table is out of this world - Kaka with his attacks, and Nesta with his stops - but a big club such as Milan shouldn't be dependent on one, two, or even three players. The others should step up. Or step out. We aren't Fiorentina (dependent on Mutu), and the likes.

In closing, like you said, yes, a very tough defeat to swallow. Particularly keeping in mind the fact that this was our first game, home game, the players were fresh, the coach enjoyed his vacation, the fans were buoyed, and technically this was our easiest opponent to face. Plus, we had an excellent chance to take the lead, with say a 3-0 win. Ah well. Shtick happens. I wasn't expecting a loss. No way near anything a loss. In fact, no one was.

Some very harsh criticism on a guy who only played 45 minutes after a long lay off. The obvious talking point is the one very good chance he had in which the keeper IMO made an excellent save. For that sort of ball you 'should' slot it low into the far bottom corner rather than back across the keeper, so I thought he did everything right. Besides that he also drifted deep to get the ball and got into some good positions to receive it. Had his match fitness and sharpness been there, he would have got on the scoresheet. BTW for the record a couple of those fouls were pretty soft, especially the push in the box in which the ball fell to Dinho.

Favourite Sheva moment.. I'll throw this one out there..

The goal he scored against Real at the San Siro in the 2002/03 CL. Its one that just sticks in my mind when thinking of favourite Sheva goals. The commentary for the goal was perfect as well.

easy guys i'm just pointing out the amount of hype he had going into this game did not even come close to the level of his actual play. But as usual patience will always be the end factor to all judgements so lets wait, i will personally give him till january before i reach a verdict like i did to galliani during the mercato.


So lets see misha if soup-reheated tastes good afterall

^^

It might not taste as good, but sometimes it's more important to not go hungry...if you know what I mean.

oh i understand real good dozer dont worry bout that, i just prefer fresh soup if you know what i mean.

I'AM NOT DOZING....I'M WIDE AWAKE!!!!

hahah easy there dozer, you need to chill and take a pill with dinho.

There wasn't really any hype going into the game, no one really expected him to come on and be the Sheva of old, he needs to get back into shape, so a performance like yesterday's was good in terms of him re-finding his feet.

Till January he might just be finally getting some semblance of form, so I'm choosing to give him until may. It's the performance over the entire season that counts not half of it.




Top class Jack, that was great

good point han but i'm saying till january because then we know if we have to buy an actual foreward. The hungry joke was worldclass i'll tip my hats to dozer for that.

Just for the record, I think Sheva is not finished at all. I don't think it takes an Einstein to understand that either. but how soon he will be back to old days it depends... if he's going to be played like yesterday - to come off the bench and 'save' us - it'll take a long time IMO... because every missed chance (like the one he missed yesterday) will be a big blow for him and it'll be harder for him to convert the next one. so it does depend and I think more than anyone it depends on the coach, actually, to use him in the right place and at the right time.

yeah good post aswell. Carlo can lose faith very quickly because he actually has options now. If sheva keeps missing once boriello is back he'll be a reserve. dozer

Carlo loses faith fast only on selected players because once you enter the favourites category you will never lose Carlo's faith. That's why we still have a dumb @ss like Kaladze starting, Seedorf jogging around in every match and still starting and Pippo getting the start ahead of Pato

Agreed. I can guarantee you if that happened up the other end, and it was Abbiati that made that save off a Bologna player, we wouldn't be hearing about a bad miss, but an amazing save.

That's life, Kurt. If it were Dida playing between the goalposts, we wouldn't be hearing that he could do nothing about those two goals. In fact, we'd be hearing about how crap the guy was and couldn't save a goal for his life.

Gotta live with it. You lived through it with Gila. Now get ready to live through it with Sheva. Just like me, with Paolo, Ronaldo, and Dida.

Yes indeed acid.

So bring on the Sheva brotherhood!

Sheva has definitely lost a step, but saying that he is "finished" is exaggerating a tad.


Heh. Sad but true.

I'd call it universal truth. I'll be the first to admit Dida's got problem and he's far from getting them solved. But Abbiati has been letting in these stupid goals, and so far doesn't quite look the goalkeeper who'd save us 10-12 plus points a season individually.

He gets the job done. But getting the job done won't get you anywhere in Serie A. Maybe he'll improve. Maybe he won't. Let's find out.

From Sunday. Thought some would appreciate seeing this.

Ah nice one!

Enjoy it?

Thanks Tennie. Unfortunately the only resemblance I see between this and the Sheva of old is the name. His jersey number, playing style, speed, morale, confidence, and hairstyle all have changed. The name is the only thing that ties him to his past. Our past.

I do hope he comes up and scores well more than 10 goals this season. Ronaldo came close to that figure in half a season, a couple of years back. So too can the Ukrainian. Best of luck to our new number 76. Changing topics, Tennie, it seems like you're back. How was the trip? Any special events and experiences to share?

I know some still feel that he shouldn't have come back but it's good seeing him back in our shirt, it 'fits'.


Come on you want Sheva to grow his hair out like he did in 05. That was a pretty girly doo. He always played better when it was cropped really short. I think we should make a petition and send it over

As for him not being anything like that Sheva. You can't really make any judgments on what we saw. Even when criticising his speed, Sheva was never really a fast player for example like Kaka, he was about his touch and finishing. And he could go missing in a game but it would only take him a second to get the ball in a good position make a great first touch to take him away from his marker and score. That was how Sheva was, I don't know what the English were expecting from him or if they really ever saw Sheva play aside from some CL games because from their words you get the impression that they were expecting Sheva to be a Maradona of some sort.

$heva was KNOWN for his speed...I remember reading a UEFA article that praised his pace. The type of striker that you are describing imho is a poacher-Trezuget type which $heva never was. That's partly why he had so many troubles at Chel$ki. He was known for being heavily involved in the buildup play and many of his goals were opportunities that he carved out for himself. He wasn't exactly a Maradonna type striker but like Kaka he liked the ball at his feet and he loved to run at defenders. He once scored a goal v.s. Vincenza (I still have the clip) where he took on about 3 defenders and worked his way to goal and scored......I fear that those days are but a memory

P.S. Sorry to all for my part in the last bit of nonsense.

Ha, glad to see someone agrees. I really don't know why people expect all of this from him now all of a sudden. Or as I said in my post maybe it's them being harsh on him so they can prove their point...

Sheva's speed was in short distances, he was more of an exposive player. Kaka can run an entire game sprinting from his own half Sheva was never like that.

I'm not desrcibing a poacher, yes he took on players and could create chances out of nothing (mostly long range shots) but his speed was only used in short distances. Most his goal were either Kaka/Rui slot the ball to him, he takes a touch and sprint the short distance to score, or Pirlo/Seedorf lifting a ball for him over the defence, takes a touch, runs the short distance and scores.

And just because he could dribble does not automatically make him quick....

And he likes to get involved in the buildup play because he's got a great range of passing for a striker and is a really smart player tactically

Totally agree with this, especially after seeing most take out their 'I was right' banner after just 45 minutes after having a 6 month lay off

Traitor.

That WCC badge really does look awfull..

it should be half the size

lol..it looks like they pasted it on the jersey..

I don't have a problem with it...

We still use the Il Club Piu Titolato Al Mondo thing... when we're level with Boca.

Well..let Boca use their own version too. We're not lying are we.

It will be gone by January. Hopefully we don't see it on Man U

Hopefully.

Well, the other favorite is..? The club that won against Fluminense the Libertadores cup? From Equador? Hmh,..ManU have a easy one to pick.

LDU Quito.

Yep, it's them. They had a couple of ineteresting players but..I don't see how ManU can fail unless they field out the reserve team of the reserves..

I don't think they'de do that, especially after losing the Super Cup.

The European teams are always the favourites, yet Milan were the first European club to win it (in the new format). Some times it's not as easy as it looks, although this year it does seem easier then it has been in the past

Yep, but Liverpool and Milan had to face Internacional/Boca. Quito is no match.

I think it was Barca that faced Internacional, I don't remember who Liverpool played.

That's why I said that it will be easier this year, but you never know what might happen. If Man U for some reason or another don't have Ronaldo playing they will struggle, because so far without him they've looked really stale going forward

So does Zenit play it too?

No

Yep, Barca was defeated by Internacional, Liverpool by Sao Paolo.