no i'm surprised that drucurl recognized him from another forum, or that they know each other from another forum.

Oh, he knows people alright, Hab. I've seen them on other forums, plus I reckon even at sites such as Goal.com going after each other. Most of the time their conversations are quite funny, which keeps things interesting. But they do get personal sometimes, which I don't - for good reasons - recommend. Neither does the Fishdoll, in case you're wondering.

Plus, there are more than meets the eye. Drucurl, you already know. Giancarlo also has a couple of other 'friends' from other forums who've signed up here, which I'm sure you'll find out as they post. So that's the bit of a back story, and the reason why I'm not surprised they all know each other. More details in these threads and posts. Plus, I'm pretty sure you've read the last few pages of this Sheva thread too:

Giancarlo Introduction
Milano84 Steps In
Drucurl Makes His Presence Felt
And Shows His Sense Of Humor
One On One With Everyone

So yeah, long story short, they all know each other. Very personally. Fast friends, in fact. In all probability I kind of like our new signings (members). Even in these slow months and the silly season, they light things up. Literally!

People the season is about to kick off, you should be getting pumped up, rather than being so pessimistic and negative. Wait till the end of the first game, I'm sure there will be plenty of things to be negative about then.

I can't help but feel you wind him up a lot having just looked at your posts. About 75% of them quote Giancarlo with a bit of an abrupt/aggressive/sarcastic response.

I know this arguement hasn't come across from this forum and I've heard how you have some kind of Vendetta against each other as shown across other forums but this one isn't going to turn into a personal slagging match between you two.

Word of warning, keep it civil or things will change to stop these petty little squabbles.

that laundry list u wrote doesn't really mean much..people are entitled to change their minds. the vast majority of milan fans probably did not have sheva listed as their top transfer target. However, now that he has arrived i am quite sure a lot of them will change their mind about him and cheer for him. I, admittedly, am one of them. I wanted Benzema. But now I support Sheva. does that make me and all the other millions of milan fans who changed their minds and decided to support one of our players a morally and integrity lacking fan base?

You've taken your resentment of management settling for sheva to a point where you now actually hate Sheva and resent the fans who accepted it, so you feel you have to go after them and call them out on everything they've said in the past..your beef should then be not with Giancarlo alone, but with every fan out there who at first didn't want sheva, but has now accepted him as one of ours (which for all you know is the majority of milan supporters).. It sounds like you're going to cheer against him from the way you spell his name and talk about him. Stern John? that's a joke right? have you forgotten who Andriy Shevchenko is? to try and equate the both of them?...thats something someone trying to make fun of us/our team/sheva would say..those words sound anti-milan-ish


Acid..nice recap of the whole ordeal..i got a solid laugh from that..

He's not poor or have questionable shot selection accuracy as far as his national team is concerned. We need at least 4 strikers, and Paloschi simply was not developed enough, hence why we had to loan him out. I really like Paloschi. You need to stop posting lies about me (notice, I'm saying about me here...). I know where I stand.



I think Huntelaar isn't proven in any other league than the one he is in. And last I hear he is going to Real Madrid.

Second, I was against Sheva's transfer, but since it happened I will support him as a Milan player. I made this very clear to you many times. But you refuse to listen.

I made a complete turn because I want to see the best for him.

I don't call other people ideas stupid. You do that to others and you also referred to people as idiots or morons on other forums. I'm not playing the victim role either.

I just don't appreciate half truths and lies about me.

This is getting ridiculous and going too far. Just f ** king drop it.



No those are not the facts. Couldn't be any further from them.

I ask you to halt this completely. He is bringing himself and others on here with one intent to harass me. It's no accident that him, and Milano84 only quote my posts most of the time.

I'm sick and god damn tired of it. Either they stop this completely, or I will be leaving because I can't take it anymore.

I did not come here to fight with people.

I knew you had it in you. Attaboy Ash!! He's all grown up now..

i think it's safe to say huntelaar is a much better player than boriello. he's mroe than prooven in the league he plays, i mean the dutch league isnt amazing but it's defnitaly in the top five in europe, 70 goals in 82 games... thats unbelievable. the guy has been a prolific goalscorer since the age of 19! and has had very good sccuess on the international stage:

2004–2006 Netherlands U21: 22 (18 goals)
2006– present Netherlands: 14 (8 goals)

while boriello isnt even proven in serie a, he's had only one good season and has done nothing with italy besides a few games with the U20.

i mean i think boriello will do well with us this season i just think huntelaar is a better player.

yous should change your name back to sheva is brilliant.... yes that was once his name!

Cool with me. I'm not diminishing Huntelaar... I just think we should wait until later to get him...

k i see where your coming from it's just the guy is 25, which isnt that young. i'm sure he will be snatche dup by next season...

To be honest, most strikers have only proven in one league how good they are. Did Alan Shearer prove he was great in more than one league? No. Thierry Henry, Raul, Sheva? But this does not mean they aren't good strikers, in fact I've seen very few better. Only Ronaldo and RvN have really shown consistancy throughout many leagues.

Oh, and Huntelaars Dutch record is very similar to that of a certain Mr. Nistelrooy. If he turns out only 10% as good, he'll still be a class player.

look I didn't come here to fight either....I'd be lying if I said that my friend Giancarlo's presence here didn't peak my interests....but all in all I came to discuss football and our beloved AC Milan. I have made comments in the Ronaldo thread and the Summer Transfer Window threads which he seemes to take a personal interest in retorting. I really don't care what you guys think about my posts...just know that the times he got banned from R&B and MM had nothing to do with me or Milano84 (whom we both know from both forums).

As for the "windups" I beg to disagree. The funny thing is it isn't just me that he has been doing this with. ...ask Bluesummers and I_rossoneri If I say that I like a player in place of one that we currently have he takes this as a personal insult and as an act of betrayal. Also many read his accusations that he's being insulted or whatever nonesense he types and feel it's true....I i invite you to examine my posts and see whether I have ever truly insulted him. He has retoretd certain basic facts like "Alves is a brazilian, fast, skillful, right back"....with "this is all lies!" If that passes for good debating skills here it's better you just cut to the chase and ban me. as Bluesummers said "i have no problems with your oppinions but when they conflict with facts i get mad."

You don't understand...

If this is your first night at Fight Club err Milanfan, you have to fight! The Fish Doll is just so that the guest members (who include the CIA ), are fooled into thinking there's some order and purpose here, when in actual fact we're an anarcho-primitivist organization based out of m1ke's apartment.

All I say to you is that personal problems and disagreements from other forums should not be brought over on here.

And fine, you hate Sheva for what he did, we get that, but he WILL be wearing the Milan shirt come Sunday and as a fellow fan I ask you to get behind the team and the players for the upcoming season. It won't do us any good to dwell on the past.

Btw, we really miss Tennie her and fishdoll need to come back asap

I have to disagree about the 'superb transfers' this season. True we have strengthened in areas we needed to, but we still lack a quality first choice 'keeper and we should have bought a quality CB to partner Nesta. I also think we have gone a bit top heavy in the forward dept by signing both R80 and sheva - IMO we should have signed one or the other.

My main hope is that the management have finally learnt their lesson now and will continue to strengthen season after season, if they don't then this will have all been a waste of time.

Agreed.

It's all well and good having a good transfer window, which I'll admit we've had. But there are still alot of holes as I-Ross pointed out. Next summer we NEED at least TWO top WORLD CLASS signings in my opinion. That of a GK and a CB, that's without mentioning depth at the full back positions that I still believe we need with Oddo gone and Favalli turning 70 later this week.

That's just it my friend....I'm dwelling on the Present and the FUTURE.....neither of which $h!tchel$ki has atm.....I used to be his biggest fan and would always laugh that Inter's answer to $heva was Adriano In fact the year he left I actually put him on the same level with Ronaldo and I was going to buy a $heva #7 shirt....but then Calciopoli happened and sheva left us to suffer etc etc. So really if I was dwelling on the past I'd be elated he came and be spweing off "forza $heva" and "the prodigal son has returned" and the like....but he's coming back at only a fraction of his old abilities and my only point is that Milan deserves better than him. Oh I forgot to mention that Carlo, Seedorf (despite the politically correst stuff he's been mouthing off in the media), Billy and Boban don't want him.....to me they're more AC Milan than $heva will ever be. My strong views on $h!tchelski don't mean that I won't wish him the best because that would actually hurt the team....I'd hope he scores 40 goals , but I won't walk around like an idiot waiting for it to happen

Four. Brazilian, French, Spanish, Italian. Hola!

French? You mean Dutch?

Vieri has shown consistency in both the Spanish and Italian league too.

Actually R9 played in the Brazilian, the DUTCH (PSV not PSG), Spain and Italian leagues twice
RVN Played in Holland Spain and England
Is there any player that did well in all three ?

And we shouldn't forget Jürgen Klinsmann. He was great in Italy, France, England and Germany.

Sorry guys. It just slipped. PSV Eindhoven, from Holland.

Hahahaha

LOL

@kurt & I_Ross ... Milan will have to bring in a top CB next season, Paolo is retiring. And as for the Gkeeper slot, let us see how Abiatti fairs out then judge, PLUS this is an issue for next summer

Let's enjoy this season, shall we

Ah, the R7 we all know and love! Filled with optimism till the brink. Agree with what you said here, let's enjoy this season. After all we've gone though as fans last year, it's only fair this new ones becomes the first step of a new beginning. A new era!

Here's to the Scudetto! And UEFA Cup! And never seeing Brocchi again in a Milan Shirt! Here, here!

That's your position. I think Abbiati is a quality goalkeeper and while I was against loaning out Oddo, we are fine in defense We were lacking forwards and attack options before... and at one point last season we had a crisis on our hand. Management assured this wouldn't happen. I think it was fine signing both if we had the opportunity because this would solve any shortfalls up front.

No it was nothing like this, and R7 and I had our own fair share of disagreements also, but never did it get to the point where it got personal and childish

Where's Tennie when you need her?? Tennie we miss you!!!

She's probably enjoying Italian food and beverages as I write this. And getting ready for the match.

Probably eating as much Italian pasta dishes as she can get her hands on

The Tennie we know? Yes, I'd say very much. Plus exotic beers and drinks for good measure too. Hope we win the first match, though.

Don't worry, Tennie gives us good luck when she goes to San Siro

btw, you're right, where is everyone??

Celebrating Manchester United's defeat, where else? Yippe-yay-yee! Let the cold ones flow, guys. Expect Kurt, of course, who still hasn't had a good tasting beer himself. Ever. Come out of the woodwork, guys. Drucurl? Giancarlo? Anybody.

Are you actually reading this ? I wouldn't even give 1 sec of my time


What happened to MF We need m1ke in here !! This place needs to be cleaned up !!

Don't take the warning? Fine, both can't post for a number of days and in pre-mod for a while...

I did give you a chance.

EDIT: Have deleted some of the useless posts, will give it a proper run through tomorrow!

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What a goal eh? Pity this match got remembered for other reasons...

Now you don't have to be a major fan of his now but what was your fave Sheva moment?

thank you ash, finally someone steps in. Oh and on topic my favorite sheva moment was when he had his long girly blonde hair and ambrosini missed a volley and sheva just shot it in the back of the net like he was firing a bazooka.

It was absolutely beautiful.

But dont expect much going into the season, unless he drastically changes his life style then maybe there is hope. He has to go thru a life revelation like r80.

Exactly that goal! it's kinda unbelievable when you look at it from different angles. that. is. magic.

Ha, we can dream!

Looking forward to seeing the team though does sound pretty dangerous in attack, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Pato, Shevchenko... not bad!

if he gets back to form it will be scary. no doubt as you said i'm dreaming as well. I'm more hyped for dinho and kaka link up though.

Ronaldinho looked slow in the Olympics and despite what the media were saying he was far from spectacular. Imo Sheva and Ronaldinho should be treated as equals, both have to prove themselves over again after having a terrible past year. Neither of them should be treated differently, even if one of them has a past with Milan

I have no doubt in my mind that Sheva will score us some important goals. If you've seen him play regularly at Chelsea you could see that he wasn't really a part of that team. The ball was always lofted up to him when he prefers it at his feet and was expected to play as a winger. At Milan he will have arguably some of the best passers of the ball in Europe feeding him the ball how he likes it. Dinho despite still being slow and not sharp still has his sublime passing skills intact, Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka, all these players know how Sheva plays and will know how to give him the ball. Unlike at Chelsea were you either had the defenders punting it up to Drogba from their own half or Lampard shooting from 40 yards out

are you sure you still want to say that. Let go of the memories and really look at him for who he is today. This time there was no 40 yard shots, he missed several chances and a crucial one to win the game. His passing was awful and he constantly was fouling thinking this is england. Sad really, i have nothing more to say about him than he is a bench player and cover for boriello and inzaghi.

I'd say give him a couple of matches to get back to shape. He just needs his confidence back.

I think you'll find that it will take more than a couple of matches, my friend. I don't foresee him being back to his best for at least the next quarter. Meaning December, January. If he gets back. It'll be not fair expecting him doing his magic from the first few matches.

Not after what he's been through at Chelsea. Certainly not.

I didn't mean back to his best, he'll never be. I meant give a him a couple of chances, if he still fails then bench him.

Wow, talk about jumping to conclusions.

I don't go back on what I say, So yes I still want to say that. Sheva played for 45 minuted after 6 months out, what the hell did you expect a 1 man winning machine?

He has to not only get back to fitness but re integrate into the squad. You want to criticise Sheva's miss, which wasn't bad because it was a great save, but choose to overlook the fact that Pippo missed about 10 chances today all were as 'easy' as Sheva's

His passing and movement were good. Hius sharpness and fitness were lacking but that comes back in time after getting games under you belt. Even R10 looked a bit off his pace sometimes and he's been playing competitive matches recently

I will only reserve my judgments on whther Sheva is as you say 'finished' or not for May, until then I will watch what he can do.


Exactly. Man, talk about jumping the gun just to prove that your theory is right



Exactly. I personally don't think that's he'll ever get back to the Sheva of old, but I do believe that he will be a major asset for us for the Scudetto race, and that he will score 10+ goals this season

Yes he will need time to regain sharpness, fitness and confidence but that's why I want Carlo to ease him into things. He's still getting back on his feet and needs to get into the league's rythem again.

Talking about whether he's still good or not after 45 minutes coming off 6 months out is a bit ridiculous imo

Talking about any of our new signings after one solitary match is a bit ridiculous too, in my honest opinion. It's our regular guys that worry me, Kaladze, Seedorf, and friends. And Carlo, most of all. He's the team coach and when it comes to tactics and player combos, he knows jack schitt. Personally.

Now, just as a disclaimer. I don't hate the Bologna president who was boasting off before the match that they'd destroy us. At least the guy had guts to get the job done. His team did yeah. And we were robbed of 3 points. Oh, Fishdoll, Where Art Thou?

Tatally agree with you. But the way he came out boasting how he was in the right after just 45minutes from Sheva is a bit ridiculous to me.

As for Kaladze, it's the same sh!t as always. If Carlo still plays him when all of Nesta, Senderos and Bonera are fit I will tear my hair out. Ridiculous, this piece of sh!t wouldn't even get in Empoli's first team, and still somehow he plays every game for Milan after making one mistake after the other.

Seedorf, I can't believe how he played, he knows his position is in serious jeopardy once Kaka is back, why play like sh!t in a game where you've been given the start? I've always believed that he's better playing in the midfield 3, hopefully we'll see more of that this season and less of what we saw today.

Carlo's biggest problem is his stubborn streak not his tactical know how imo

Yes, that's another way to put it. But I got an idea of the man's tactics in Istanbul 2005. And many other times when coaches of smaller stature and experience blew past and outclassed him, both in Serie A and the Champions League. It's like he can sometimes handle big teams tactically well, but against random and small teams he becomes clueless.

Doesn't necessarily makes him a bad coach, yes. But like you said, his stubbornness, more often than not, does. Agree with everything else, particularly the Kaladze Calamity and Seedorf bits. Sometimes I think either Seedorf is too stupid, or too sure of things, like he'll never lose his place. Same goes for Kala, I guess. Good thing, Brocchi is out, or we'd have seen him substituted in today too.

Our number 10 only made on run in the whole match, while Ronaldinho was running circles around the opposition defenders. That tells a lot about how things are in Milano at the moment. More reasons why we need Kaka back and take the Dutch's place.