My logic goes like this:
We have a very good player that can also be a top class player. What we should get for such a player is either another player of the same caliber or the right amount of money. Nothing less.
And so far, all combinations I've read don't go in that direction.
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The thing is, I don't think he has the motivation to work hard in order to become that top class player he can potentially be. He's a player that more suited to be a star in a mediocre team rather to succeed at Milan where he needs to fight with top players for a spot. It has been 7 month since his move from Sampdoria and I don't see any improvement at all. Right now Ibra, Pato and Robinho are way ahead of him in the pecking order and as long as they are healthy he won't even come as a sub like on Saturday. I would rather selll him and have the much more motivated Palo and Pippo as 4th and 5th choice. Montolivo maybe not the first player on people's wish list, but we are in need of a player of his role more than we need this version of Cassano and it seems that we won't get much better than Montolivo or Aquilani for a CM.
News:
Galliani said "ehh......" when asked if milan were trying to get fabregas.
-were linked heavily today with a player named Lucas Bigilia. 25 years old from argentina. Plays with andrelect
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Galliani said "ehh......" when asked if milan were trying to get fabregas.
-were linked heavily today with a player named Lucas Bigilia. 25 years old from argentina. Plays with andrelect
TMW
On montolivo and cassano.
Ofcourse this deal isn't fair. Cassano is far superior. But looking out our team, we need someone like montolivo more than cassano especially since Kaka is coming in.
I think both deals are excellent for our team. We need creative players and we got 2.
Ofcourse this deal isn't fair. Cassano is far superior. But looking out our team, we need someone like montolivo more than cassano especially since Kaka is coming in.
I think both deals are excellent for our team. We need creative players and we got 2.
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 7 2011, 09:39 PM) 
There seems to be a lot of people here who, in my opinion, over rate Cassano and under rate Montolivo. Firstly, we got Cassano on a free so anything we get out of his sale/transfer is a good bonus. Second, to put it simply, there is a reason that Cassano has burned through so many teams during his career. His talent is undeniable but the risk that comes from his inconsistent attitude and fitness problems significantly lowers his market value. This is why the interest in him comes from small teams the can gamble on him because if it works he will improve the teams drastically. If he was a surer bet he'd have better teams calling. While I'm not fully convinced by Montolivo I think its pretty clear that he is a good player on a pretty bad team. He has qualities that we desperately need in our midfield. No player is a guarenteed success and all come with some risk but Montolivo has never had the opportunity to play with teammates that are of his quality (and better). I think having Ibra and Pato to feed instead of a secondrate striker like Gilardino can make all the difference. Despite what some of you think, a young solid Italian with some potential to improve is equal to, in terms of market value, a player in his prime with a fickle attitude and still hasn't managed to mature mentally.
In regards to Cassano's fitness, I think it is ridiculous to give him a free pass on coming into this season out of shape. Anyone who has ever seriously trained for a sport can tell you that it is not that hard to drop weight and get to a proper weight to perform at a high level. It is most certainly realistic to expect that he manage it over a few months with the team. It just takes consistency and since he paid to perform at a high level I expect him to make the necessary steps to do so. His failure to do this is another mark of his immaturity.
In regards to Cassano's fitness, I think it is ridiculous to give him a free pass on coming into this season out of shape. Anyone who has ever seriously trained for a sport can tell you that it is not that hard to drop weight and get to a proper weight to perform at a high level. It is most certainly realistic to expect that he manage it over a few months with the team. It just takes consistency and since he paid to perform at a high level I expect him to make the necessary steps to do so. His failure to do this is another mark of his immaturity.
Great post!
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 7 2011, 10:29 PM)
Nothing interesting, really. He just says how we're the top Italian club at the moment, and when asked about Kaka', he answers "We've just won the Super Cup and you already ask me about Kaka'?" to the journalists.
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 8 2011, 01:23 AM)
I agree. Plus, I don't think that Cassano himself is thrilled to stay as he wants to play for Italy in the Euro next summer, and Prandelli already told him that he needs to get enough playing time to get there. Right now he's only 4th choice and unless he somehow improves his shape dramatically, that won't change.
I think he's gonna move to Fiorentina or Genoa soon and I'm o.k with that.
I think he's gonna move to Fiorentina or Genoa soon and I'm o.k with that.
+1
Thanks 
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News update on Fabregas:
Insiders have leaked some info regarding Mino Raiola's latest work on fabregas.
Heres how the deal works so far:
Raiola has managed to negotiate a fee of 38m payable over 3 years. approx. 13m/yr
Its expected that we'll go in there with players like Emanuelson and possibly flamini to try and reduce the price.
But 38m cash and we can have him is what Wenger has agreed to.
TMW
Insiders have leaked some info regarding Mino Raiola's latest work on fabregas.
Heres how the deal works so far:
Raiola has managed to negotiate a fee of 38m payable over 3 years. approx. 13m/yr
Its expected that we'll go in there with players like Emanuelson and possibly flamini to try and reduce the price.
But 38m cash and we can have him is what Wenger has agreed to.
TMW
Wenger also said that Fabregas won't be playing the first game against Udinese because "he's out of shape yet", which I'm fairly sure is a big, fat lie. His departure seems quite a certain thing at this point.
Honestly though, if Galliani manages to land Kaka' on loan and Fabregas for the price stated above by Blue, then Allegri will have at disposal a freaking winning machine!
Honestly though, if Galliani manages to land Kaka' on loan and Fabregas for the price stated above by Blue, then Allegri will have at disposal a freaking winning machine!
Fifa 12 would be all the more merrier for me!
Fifa 12 is gonna be fun.
abate-nesta-silva-taiwo
-boateng-vanbommel-fabregas
---------kaka---------
-pato----------Ibra
soooo gooooooooooooooood
abate-nesta-silva-taiwo
-boateng-vanbommel-fabregas
---------kaka---------
-pato----------Ibra
soooo gooooooooooooooood
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 7 2011, 07:35 PM)
My logic goes like this:
We have a very good player that can also be a top class player. What we should get for such a player is either another player of the same caliber or the right amount of money. Nothing less.
And so far, all combinations I've read don't go in that direction.
We have a very good player that can also be a top class player. What we should get for such a player is either another player of the same caliber or the right amount of money. Nothing less.
And so far, all combinations I've read don't go in that direction.
Agreed. Couldn't have said it better.
But I love how we bid the same as Barca and wenger says no to barca and yes to us 
Raiola did good; not easy to convince a club to sell their captain.
Now we'll have to see if Fabregas is willing to come, Raiola will probably do this part too if he hasn't already.
Raiola did good; not easy to convince a club to sell their captain.
Now we'll have to see if Fabregas is willing to come, Raiola will probably do this part too if he hasn't already.
If that Facebook post by his sister was legit, we would most certainly be an option being considered by him.
Yeah but this is the problem.
When Barca put in their final offer of 35m last week, fabregas put in 3m of his own funds to bring it to 38m but wenger said no.
So its clear he wants barca, so if he does come here its temporary. He wants barca and could use us as a way of getting there easier.
But I don't mind to be honest,I hope he does come. We really need someone of his calibre to boost our chances in the CL this season
When Barca put in their final offer of 35m last week, fabregas put in 3m of his own funds to bring it to 38m but wenger said no.
So its clear he wants barca, so if he does come here its temporary. He wants barca and could use us as a way of getting there easier.
But I don't mind to be honest,I hope he does come. We really need someone of his calibre to boost our chances in the CL this season
I'm still not sold that Barcelona would be willing to buy Sanchez for what they did, and then go and ask Fabregas to pay a measly sum (in comparison) out of his own pocket in order to complete the transfer. It seems impossible to me a team like Barca couldn't scrounge together 3 million.
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Aug 7 2011, 10:12 PM)
I'm still not sold that Barcelona would be willing to buy Sanchez for what they did, and then go and ask Fabregas to pay a measly sum (in comparison) out of his own pocket in order to complete the transfer. It seems impossible to me a team like Barca couldn't scrounge together 3 million.
Heres my guess at what happened.
I"ll give you a quick synopsis.
Last year when Fabregas pushed for a transfer barca and arsenal talked and their was a mutual agreement of around 35m for fabregas for this summer. This wasn't written on paper just a verbal agreement.
Now this year barca bid 35m. But because of the crap barca kept pulling all year wenger pretty much refuses to sell them fabregas unless they bid something like 50m.
And barca don't want to go over their previously agreed price because they are tired of playing games. So my guess is that fabregas probably heard that wenger accepted raiola's offer of 38m and put in his own 3m to match it.
this is all a guess but something probably along these lines happened.
At the end of the day imo, we gotta look at the issue of pride which is the biggest thing here. Its not about the money, Arsenal dislike barca because of all the disrespect they have been shown all year by xavi, iniesta and etc etc so they'd rather sell him to us for cheaper just so he can't go home and barca are tired of dealing with the situation so they put an ultimatum on 35m.
Yes, but the issue of pride works the other way around as well. If Fabregas thinks he can use Milan as an easier way to get to Barça, then he can go f*ck himself! I would never sell him to them if he pulled such crap and I was Galliani. I'd rather sell him to Inter.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 7 2011, 10:42 PM)
Yes, but the issue of pride works the other way around as well. If Fabregas thinks he can use Milan as an easier way to get to Barça, then he can go f*ck himself! I would never sell him to them if he pulled such crap and I was Galliani. I'd rather sell him to Inter.
Yeah thats a fair point. The question is, do we really want to transfer someone who has his heart set on eventually going to barca? Especially at these figures.
I personally don't mind, If fabregas can help us win champions league then bring him over
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 8 2011, 03:37 AM)
News update on Fabregas:
Insiders have leaked some info regarding Mino Raiola's latest work on fabregas.
Heres how the deal works so far:
Raiola has managed to negotiate a fee of 38m payable over 3 years. approx. 13m/yr
Its expected that we'll go in there with players like Emanuelson and possibly flamini to try and reduce the price.
But 38m cash and we can have him is what Wenger has agreed to.
TMW
Insiders have leaked some info regarding Mino Raiola's latest work on fabregas.
Heres how the deal works so far:
Raiola has managed to negotiate a fee of 38m payable over 3 years. approx. 13m/yr
Its expected that we'll go in there with players like Emanuelson and possibly flamini to try and reduce the price.
But 38m cash and we can have him is what Wenger has agreed to.
TMW
i'll make the 2 day drive over just to kiss you if thats true
QUOTE (Habitant @ Aug 7 2011, 10:54 PM)
i'll make the 2 day drive over just to kiss you if thats true
haha
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 7 2011, 07:35 PM)
My logic goes like this:
We have a very good player that can also be a top class player. What we should get for such a player is either another player of the same caliber or the right amount of money. Nothing less.
And so far, all combinations I've read don't go in that direction.
We have a very good player that can also be a top class player. What we should get for such a player is either another player of the same caliber or the right amount of money. Nothing less.
And so far, all combinations I've read don't go in that direction.
Key word there is CAN. I don't see from him the motivation necessary to consistently be a top class player. If he won't improve his fitness then he essentially becomes just a designated super sub. In Montolivo we would be getting a good player with the potential to become a very good player. That is good enough for me especially with the state of our midfield. I think we would come out on the other side a better team and that's all I need to know.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 8 2011, 12:55 AM)
haha
I love the updates Blue. Thanks for keeping us informed. Excellent excellent news if it pans out. We will have the world class midfield to go with the world class defense and attack.
^
News:
-Sneijder has declared that inter will sell him at the right price. 35-40m.
-Eto and Tevez are linked with a potential swap. Chances of happening 80%
-Juve have almost completed the deal for Vargas.
-Ibra has declared that he will win everything with Milan (CL) and then leave.
-More and more news sources are now declaring that Kaka and Montolivo will arrive.
-Cassano did not comment on whether or not he will leave to another Italian side but has said that he has no intention of leaving Italy.
-Barca set to increase the incentives for Fabregas. The deal originally was: 29m cash plus 6m incentives + 3m fabregas' own funds. They are set to increase the incentives to 9m bringing the total transfer to the 41m mark.
tmw/cm/mn/corriere/gazetta
News:
-Sneijder has declared that inter will sell him at the right price. 35-40m.
-Eto and Tevez are linked with a potential swap. Chances of happening 80%
-Juve have almost completed the deal for Vargas.
-Ibra has declared that he will win everything with Milan (CL) and then leave.
-More and more news sources are now declaring that Kaka and Montolivo will arrive.
-Cassano did not comment on whether or not he will leave to another Italian side but has said that he has no intention of leaving Italy.
-Barca set to increase the incentives for Fabregas. The deal originally was: 29m cash plus 6m incentives + 3m fabregas' own funds. They are set to increase the incentives to 9m bringing the total transfer to the 41m mark.
tmw/cm/mn/corriere/gazetta
So, beside that, the Drogba-Milan link popped out again (sportmediaset).
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 8 2011, 12:43 PM)
So, beside that, the Drogba-Milan link popped out again (sportmediaset).
Source - link
We're not signing Montolivo, we're not signing Kaka, we're not signing Drogba, and we sure in a month of Sundays ain't signing Fabregas.
What's next, we're selling Pato to the best bidder?
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 8 2011, 07:58 AM)
We're not signing Montolivo, we're not signing Kaka, we're not signing Drogba, and we sure in a month of Sundays ain't signing Fabregas.
we'll probably get montolivo on the last day... but otherwise i agree.
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 8 2011, 01:58 PM)
We're not signing Montolivo, we're not signing Kaka, we're not signing Drogba, and we sure in a month of Sundays ain't signing Fabregas.
Yes I'm mad, but that's another story entirely.
We might not be a selling club, but we're not really a buying one either.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Aug 8 2011, 01:43 PM)
What's next, we're selling Pato to the best bidder?
We might not be a selling club, but we're not really a buying one either.
At least one more player will arrive, I have no doubt about that.
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 8 2011, 12:58 PM)
and we sure in a month of Sundays ain't signing Fabregas.
Agreed, we might as well be talking about Messi & CR7.
Paloschi is very close to be loaned to Chievo.
Source: La Gazzetta.
Source: La Gazzetta.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 8 2011, 10:25 PM)
Paloschi is very close to be loaned to Chievo.
Skittles.
The good thing is that at least, it's a loan, not a co-ownership or direct sale.
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 8 2011, 05:58 AM)
We're not signing Montolivo, we're not signing Kaka, we're not signing Drogba, and we sure in a month of Sundays ain't signing Fabregas.
I dont know about fabregas but Kaka and Montolivo are done. Everything is agreed, just the paper work needs to be submitted and its finalized.
So much of me wants to believe you Blue, and I do enjoy you keeping us all updated, but forgive me and others if we don't believe you until we see it as official with our own eyes. To go from a team that brought in the likes of brocchi, Emerson and terrible players consistently to signing Ibra, Robinho, Kaka, and Fabregas over the couse of two years is hard to believe.
I wouldn't be surprised if we signed Montolivo/Aquiliani and thats all. How many names have we been linked with this summer? Two Dozen? And what is there to show for it? So until its all done and dusted, i wouldn't hold my breath.
I wouldn't be surprised if we signed Montolivo/Aquiliani and thats all. How many names have we been linked with this summer? Two Dozen? And what is there to show for it? So until its all done and dusted, i wouldn't hold my breath.
News:
-Aquilani's agent had said there was initial interest in his client but now we haven't made contact with them in a while.
-Porto after Ganso
-Pellegati (has close links to milan) says that cassano, paloschi and oddo will leave this summer forsure. He said that montolivo will arrive forsure and that there is a good chance that Drogba could arrive. Galliani will then see about Mr. X.
-Fiorentina have completed the signing of Kharja, which allows montolivo's transfer to finally take place.
-Wenger has completed the signing of Oxalade (fabregas replacement) and should be official soon. It is expected that Fabregas will be sold after Oxalade makes his move to the emirates.
-Fly emirates officials are pushing Milan to sign Fabregas. They are willing to help pay for some of the financial aspects.
-A market expert Cristiano Ruiu, has come out and said that Fabregas is ours 99% and he will play in the Berlusconi trophy. He has also said that Flamini will be returning to arsenal.
-Genoa are bidding 12m for Gilardino.
tmw MN CM corrie gazetta
-Aquilani's agent had said there was initial interest in his client but now we haven't made contact with them in a while.
-Porto after Ganso
-Pellegati (has close links to milan) says that cassano, paloschi and oddo will leave this summer forsure. He said that montolivo will arrive forsure and that there is a good chance that Drogba could arrive. Galliani will then see about Mr. X.
-Fiorentina have completed the signing of Kharja, which allows montolivo's transfer to finally take place.
-Wenger has completed the signing of Oxalade (fabregas replacement) and should be official soon. It is expected that Fabregas will be sold after Oxalade makes his move to the emirates.
-Fly emirates officials are pushing Milan to sign Fabregas. They are willing to help pay for some of the financial aspects.
-A market expert Cristiano Ruiu, has come out and said that Fabregas is ours 99% and he will play in the Berlusconi trophy. He has also said that Flamini will be returning to arsenal.
-Genoa are bidding 12m for Gilardino.
tmw MN CM corrie gazetta
So apparently just as X-Off stated earlier Paloschi has been loaned to Chievo.
I'm seeing a couple sites claiming it's official, but none reliable per say (as of yet).
EDIT:
It's on acmilan.com now (Italian):
AC Milan announces that it has sold, on loan with the right of redemption of the partnership, Alberto Paloschi to Chievo Verona.
I'm seeing a couple sites claiming it's official, but none reliable per say (as of yet).
EDIT:
It's on acmilan.com now (Italian):
AC Milan announces that it has sold, on loan with the right of redemption of the partnership, Alberto Paloschi to Chievo Verona.
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 8 2011, 01:21 PM)
So apparently just as X-Off stated earlier Paloschi has been loaned to Chievo.
I'm seeing a couple sites claiming it's official, but none reliable per say (as of yet).
I'm seeing a couple sites claiming it's official, but none reliable per say (as of yet).
Its true its done, hes`going there with option to buy.
QUOTE
Ganso rejects Milan talk
Brazilian remains committed to Santos
Last Updated: August 8, 2011 4:39pm
Brazilian starlet Ganso has assured Santos supporters that he will not be leaving the club after fresh speculation surfaced linking him with a move to AC Milan.
The 21-year-old midfielder and his club and country team-mate Neymar have both been connected with a host of top European sides, with the Rossoneri the latest reported destination for Ganso.
He admitted earlier in the summer that he would be interested in joining the Italians at some stage in the future, but he has now insisted his future remains at Santos.
Ganso is desperate to play at the Club World Cup in December and has indicated that he does not even have any intention to move in 2012.
"I have given my word to the president and I want to make things clear for the fans. I will play in the Club World Cup, and then there is the club's centenary next year," he is quoted as saying in L'Equipe.
"I have not received any offers, and I can guarantee to the fans that I will not leave."
Brazilian remains committed to Santos
Last Updated: August 8, 2011 4:39pm
Brazilian starlet Ganso has assured Santos supporters that he will not be leaving the club after fresh speculation surfaced linking him with a move to AC Milan.
The 21-year-old midfielder and his club and country team-mate Neymar have both been connected with a host of top European sides, with the Rossoneri the latest reported destination for Ganso.
He admitted earlier in the summer that he would be interested in joining the Italians at some stage in the future, but he has now insisted his future remains at Santos.
Ganso is desperate to play at the Club World Cup in December and has indicated that he does not even have any intention to move in 2012.
"I have given my word to the president and I want to make things clear for the fans. I will play in the Club World Cup, and then there is the club's centenary next year," he is quoted as saying in L'Equipe.
"I have not received any offers, and I can guarantee to the fans that I will not leave."
Link: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11863_7088582,00.html
Drogba, cesc, kaka and montolivo lollll that can`t be right.
I don`t think drogba is coming but I could be wrong.
Either we sign cesc and then pull the plug last min on kaka or were selling someone else.....inzaghi.....
I`m getting confused now, the media is conflicting with each other some say drogba others say cesc.
I`ll still stick by my word though, I believe montolivo and Kaka are coming here 100%
Fabregas at 50% and Drogba at 10%
I don`t think drogba is coming but I could be wrong.
Either we sign cesc and then pull the plug last min on kaka or were selling someone else.....inzaghi.....
I`m getting confused now, the media is conflicting with each other some say drogba others say cesc.
I`ll still stick by my word though, I believe montolivo and Kaka are coming here 100%
Fabregas at 50% and Drogba at 10%
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 8 2011, 10:32 PM)
I`m getting confused now, the media is conflicting with each other some say drogba others say cesc.
Seriously? Why do you take that stuff seriously, it's mostly total bs.
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 8 2011, 01:53 PM)
Seriously? Why do you take that stuff seriously, it's mostly total bs.
Well to be honest, its cuz it comes from reliable sources. They`ve been mostly right about whats written. Gazetta é corriere are usually spot on in most situations and sky as well.
But your right, at the end of the day it could be all bs.
Look, the medias are always writing some BS stuff, inventing dream transfers so that they don't have to write some solid and perceptive articles like they did 20 years ago, god forbid.
Plus, the Mondadori deal hit us hard, so I'm willing to bet Berlusconi (mediaset) has endorsed the medias to generate rumors like "Cesc to Milan" so that the blow does not appear that hard.
Only one comment though. I wouldn't trade Flamini in any chase. I don't think he's special or something, but hell, do we plan to play with Mac, Ambro and Rino as DM's all season long?
Plus, the Mondadori deal hit us hard, so I'm willing to bet Berlusconi (mediaset) has endorsed the medias to generate rumors like "Cesc to Milan" so that the blow does not appear that hard.
Only one comment though. I wouldn't trade Flamini in any chase. I don't think he's special or something, but hell, do we plan to play with Mac, Ambro and Rino as DM's all season long?
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 8 2011, 10:55 PM)
Well to be honest, its cuz it comes from reliable sources. They`ve been mostly right about whats written. Gazetta é corriere are usually spot on in most situations and sky as well.
I think you're totally mistaken and the reason is that in the end they report something real shortly before it happens and so it makes you think they're reliable.
they're writing made-up crap all the time until they have a clue on something. Drogba, Cesc, Schweinsteiger... that's all bull, then they're going to say we've signed Montolivo or whomever a day before it happens and just because it's the last thing they said it makes us think they're reliable.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 8 2011, 03:58 PM)
Only one comment though. I wouldn't trade Flamini in any chase. I don't think he's special or something, but hell, do we plan to play with Mac, Ambro and Rino as DM's all season long?
Agreed.
Not unless we get someone else of course.
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 8 2011, 10:05 PM)
Agreed.
Not unless we get someone else of course.
Not unless we get someone else of course.
And that would be...beyond surreal.
Pretty much...
I hope the option to buy in Palo's loan to Chievo is not ridiculously low and we won't lose him for peanuts next summer.
Well we`ll see on the news issues. I dont just blindly follow what the media says. They linked us heavily with schweinsteiger but I never said it was real.
I just speculate and comment on the transfers that follow milan like trends and the transfers that follow those trends this season are:
montolivo
Kaka
Fabregas
That is why I have alot of confidence in these transfers. We`ll have to wait and see though what actually happens.
I just speculate and comment on the transfers that follow milan like trends and the transfers that follow those trends this season are:
montolivo
Kaka
Fabregas
That is why I have alot of confidence in these transfers. We`ll have to wait and see though what actually happens.
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