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Bluesummers
QUOTE (mishie @ Aug 27 2011, 04:47 AM) *
don't understasnd what he said..is that just a google translate?

yup and I don't understand it either lol. I think what he says is that he's dissapointed for the fans that the league and players can't come to an agreement and that this can't be good for calcio.
mishie
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 27 2011, 11:50 AM) *
yup and I don't understand it either lol. I think what he says is that he's dissapointed for the fans that the league and players can't come to an agreement and that this can't be good for calcio.

ah right i thought i'd taken silly pills this morning laugh.gif
han2503
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 27 2011, 11:42 AM) *
If Kaka comes, Boateng would go back to Gattusos place, so why not. As long as I don't see Gattuso playing, everything is OK.

Agreed, that's why I said the DM area is the least of our worries. Even the AM position is not that terrible, Robs, Cassano, Boateng, Seedorf, even Aqui can play that position. It's the CM spot that is worrying. Losing Aquilani or Seedorf would put is in a jam

QUOTE (mishie @ Aug 27 2011, 11:46 AM) *
Hasn't Allegri stated that the Prince will play a deeper role even tho the Prince has said he preferred to play the trequarista role. Cassano or Robinho will play behind Pato and Ibra. I like Robby but he wastes to many chance to play as a out and out striker. Not sure about Kaka's return but Monty i'd welcome now.

If an AM doesn't come then he'll most likely stay where he is, ie the AM position, if Kaka does come then he'll be moved back, which could solve a lot of problems for us.

Montolivo would be a very welcome asset for us, and will give Allegri freedom to rotate the team as well as options in terms of how we play. Both Monto and Aqui can play multiple roles in the midfield. Monto could even take up the old Pirlo position if VB got injured
mishie
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 11:52 AM) *
Agreed, that's why I said the DM area is the least of our worries. Even the AM position is not that terrible, Robs, Cassano, Boateng, Seedorf, even Aqui can play that position. It's the CM spot that is worrying. Losing Aquilani or Seedorf would put is in a jam


If an AM doesn't come then he'll most likely stay where he is, ie the AM position, if Kaka does come then he'll be moved back, which could solve a lot of problems for us.

Montolivo would be a very welcome asset for us, and will give Allegri freedom to rotate the team as well as options in terms of how we play. Both Monto and Aqui can play multiple roles in the midfield. Monto could even take up the old Pirlo position if VB got injured

I think that he'll be pushed back anyway, maybe something like

Prince--MVB---Alberto

Cassono/Robinho

Pato---Ibra

(just wishfull thinking)wink.gif


Bluesummers
Mourinho has just come out and said:

"Lass will not be going anywhere, he will remain with us"


goal.com


I love how he denies lass but doesn't deny kaka when both have speculated in the media for quite a while now laugh.gif
mishie
Everyone know he want rid of Kaka for whatever reason, as stated many time the problem with Ricky is his wages.
Bluesummers
If this transfer goes through, the following things must happen.


1) Mourinho no longer sees Kaka as part of the team - check

2) Madrid no longer see a point of paying Kaka's massive paycheck - check

3) Madrid put Kaka up for sale - check

4) Kaka takes major pay cut and agrees terms with Milan - check

5) Kaka refuses to go to any other club other than milan - check

6) Kaka puts Madrid in a position where they have no choice but to negotiate an exit

7) Galliani gives madrid ultimatum deal that is suitable for our budget



2 things left to go devilsmiley.gif



edit:


Alfredo Pedulla, Market analyst for sportitalia, has a lot of inside connections to milan : "The milan market is not closed"
han2503
QUOTE (mishie @ Aug 27 2011, 11:55 AM) *
I think that he'll be pushed back anyway, maybe something like

Prince--MVB---Alberto

Cassono/Robinho

Pato---Ibra

(just wishfull thinking)wink.gif

It's my wishful thinking as well, however I think Allegri for some reason or another believes that we need the extra DM on the right, and he obviously favours Gattuso from our current crop for whatever reason. What I think he doesn't see is that Gattuso is barely even a ghost of his former self. He doesn't really help much on the right side, the only time it works is when he double teams a player with Abate, other then that he usually gets beaten easily, doesn't help the attack and destroys the flow in midfield with bad passes. But Allegri believes that e needs that type of player on the right, but what he seemingly doesn't get is that Boa can do all that Rino can only much better
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 27 2011, 01:10 PM) *
If this transfer goes through, the following things must happen.


1) Mourinho no longer sees Kaka as part of the team - check

2) Madrid no longer see a point of paying Kaka's massive paycheck - check

3) Madrid put Kaka up for sale - check

4) Kaka takes major pay cut and agrees terms with Milan - check

5) Kaka refuses to go to any other club other than milan - check

6) Kaka puts Madrid in a position where they have no choice but to negotiate an exit

7) Galliani gives madrid ultimatum deal that is suitable for our budget



2 things left to go devilsmiley.gif



edit:


Alfredo Pedulla, Market analyst for sportitalia, has a lot of inside connections to milan : "The milan market is not closed"


laugh.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 04:32 AM) *
It's not being a pessimist, the reliable new sources are completely mum about Milan. No news what-so-ever. You say you follow the trends of the transfer market, so you should know that if we are really after Monto or Kaka then there would be news coming from somewhere. It's too quiet now.

HAN= world class pessimist tongue.gif

han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 27 2011, 12:42 PM) *
HAN= world class pessimist tongue.gif


We'll see blue wink.gif

If we do end up making another signing (Kaka or Monto) then I'll bow to your genius. But I can't see it happening any time soon wink.gif
Bluesummers
allright peeps, i'm out for the night. Before I go one final piece of news:


-Borriello to PSG is finally done. He was spotted boarding a plane to Paris. PSG have signed him for 9m euros. laugh.gif


-Sevilla have completed the signing of Roque Santa Cruz from man city


goal.com tongue.gif they're quick today hahahah (italian media will soon follow )
acid911
Boy, we do need a "Thank You" button for your posts, at least, Blue. king.gif Cheers, and happy dreams!
X-Offender
Mourinho: "Kaka' is a Real Madrid player. Even though he didn't play much in the pre-season friendlies, he's worked a lot and I'm counting on him. I've called him for Zaragoza, and even though Ozil will play, having a player like him on the bench is always a pleasure".

Link

Doesn't sound like he desperately wants him to stay. wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2011, 01:14 PM) *
Mourinho: "Kaka' is a Real Madrid player. Even though he didn't play much in the pre-season friendlies, he's worked a lot and I'm counting on him. I've called him for Zaragoza, and even though Ozil will play, having a player like him on the bench is always a pleasure".

Link

Doesn't sound like he desperately wants him to stay. wink.gif

He's obviously giving him the "Shevchenko" treatment
Fillipo Simone
Also maybe giving the Real-negotiators a justification for a higher price-tag.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 27 2011, 02:28 PM) *
Also maybe giving the Real-negotiators a justification for a higher price-tag.

By sitting him on the bench? unsure.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 04:29 PM) *
By sitting him on the bench? unsure.gif

By stating that he isn't a total surplus.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 27 2011, 04:37 PM) *
By stating that he isn't a total surplus.


Yet he is. Ozil will always be preferred to Kaka' by Mourinho, and Kaka' isn't the type of player that sits cheerfully on the bench waiting for some play time. They've got Granero for that.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 27 2011, 03:37 PM) *
By stating that he isn't a total surplus.

If there is an automatic choice ahead of you, then you're bench player material for that team, he can call him up all he wants but his price is of a squad player and nothing more. An unwanted squad player at that
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 04:41 PM) *
If there is an automatic choice ahead of you, then you're bench player material for that team, he can call him up all he wants but his price is of a squad player and nothing more. An unwanted squad player at that


Not to mention his wages. Tell me which bench player earns €10 million per season. If I was Perez, I'd get rid of him right away.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2011, 02:42 PM) *
Not to mention his wages. Tell me which bench player earns €10 million per season. If I was Perez, I'd get rid of him right away.

He should pay us for taking him off their wage bill. biggrin.gif

You're completely right, it's just mind boggling. 10 million for a bench player! Just crazy
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2011, 04:38 PM) *
Yet he is. Ozil will always be preferred to Kaka' by Mourinho, and Kaka' isn't the type of player that sits cheerfully on the bench waiting for some play time. They've got Granero for that.

Correction: Kaka shouldn't be the type. But he is, he's always the nice boy.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 27 2011, 03:03 PM) *
Correction: Kaka shouldn't be the type. But he is, he's always the nice boy.

We're not saying he's going to kick up a storm ala Ibra, but he's not going to take it lightly either. He won't cause internal trouble but he will either ask for an out or try to talk it out with Mou
d'Arc.LP
News:

- The president of Bologna Albano Guaraldi adimted that Fiorentina was interested to sign Ramirez, but Bologna asked for a swap with Montolivo. This transfer wasn't successful because Montolivo rejected to go to Bologna.

- Juve are in decisive days for the last reinforcements. The names of Alex and Lugano are mentioned for the defense, and the names of Elia and Afellay for the role of the left winger.

- Simon Kjaer’s move might collapse at the last minute as Wolfsburg want to change Roma's option to sign him into an obligation.

- Maurizio Zamparini has promptly denied the rumors about a possible sale of Abel Hernandez to Rome and has denied interest in David Trezeguet.

- Atletico Madrid have confirmed that Uruguayan star striker Diego Forlan will join Inter within a few hours.

- Jose Mourinho speaks of the market for Real Madrid, "Diarra wants to leave (vuole andar via) , Gago, Drenthe and Pedro Leon are not needed. There are five days at the end of the market and we are comfortable."

source: goal.com
I was told that vuole andar via means wants to leave, I'm not sure though, I'd be pleased if X-Off tells me if that's right or wrong smile.gif.
han2503
Bologna would be a step down, Monto wants to make a step up to a big club, which is where our advantage lies. He wants Milan so we'll have the power when negotiating, unless we do intend to wait until next summer
X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 27 2011, 05:26 PM) *
I was told that vuole andar via means wants to leave, I'm not sure though, I'd be pleased if X-Off tells me if that's right or wrong smile.gif.


Right. I don't understand why we're not after the player. He would be a major step forward in regard to our DM's.
CHU-LIP
Both Diarra and Gago would be great addictions to our midfield. Now Flamini got injured, Diarra makes simply a lot of sense, but also Gago would make enough sense to me. I want them both. tongue.gif
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 27 2011, 06:02 PM) *
Both Diarra and Gago would be great addictions to our midfield. Now Flamini got injured, Diarra makes simply a lot of sense, but also Gago would make enough sense to me. I want them both. tongue.gif

How long has it been since Gago played? Diarra would be a great addition and a replacement for Rino/Ambro in the future as well. Because this contract thing is going to be a huge issue. Nearly our entire midfield is in a 1 year deal. So basically next summer we could end up with no midfield aside from a couple of players (Urby, Boa and Aqui) That's not good and would cost us a lot to replace them all at one go)
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 07:06 PM) *
How long has it been since Gago played. Diarra would be a great addition and a replacement for Rino/Ambro in the furture as well. Because this contract thing is going to be a huge issue. Nearly our entire midfield is in a 1 year deal. So basically next summer we could end up with no midfield aside from a couple of players (Urby, Boa and Aqui) That's not good and would cost us a lot to replace them all at one go)

Gago still plays for his NT, and does that well. And also from the past I know he can play very well in a way it would help us. Diarra would be for now our obvious starter at RCM. And later he can play Van Bommel / Ambrosini's spot.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 27 2011, 06:09 PM) *
Gago still plays for his NT, and does that well. And also from the past I know he can play very well in a way it would help us. Diarra would be for now our obvious starter at RCM. And later he can play Van Bommel / Ambrosini's spot.

That depends on us getting an AM, if we do get someone, we would see Boa moving to the right
mishie
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 06:10 PM) *
That depends on us getting an AM, if we do get someone, we would see Boa moving to the right

I'd prefer to him there rather than further forward for 2 reasons...1) Cassano and Robinho are more creative and 2) for the 1st time in ages we've someone who can explode with pace from further back which IMO is far better used to speed up play in counter attacking situations
X-Offender
QUOTE (mishie @ Aug 27 2011, 07:34 PM) *
2) for the 1st time in ages we've someone who can explode with pace from further back which IMO is far better used to speed up play in counter attacking situations


Go tell that to Allegri. The guy has no clue of what fast play is. dry.gif
han2503
QUOTE (mishie @ Aug 27 2011, 06:34 PM) *
I'd prefer to him there rather than further forward for 2 reasons...1) Cassano and Robinho are more creative and 2) for the 1st time in ages we've someone who can explode with pace from further back which IMO is far better used to speed up play in counter attacking situations

Completely agree with you, he doesn't support the strikers as a true AM would, he cannot make the final pass in tight spaces. Yes he makes a lot of insertions in the box, but he can still make those runs coming from the midfield.
mishie
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2011, 06:35 PM) *
Go tell that to Allegri. The guy has no clue of what fast play is. dry.gif

on my way! laugh.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 07:37 PM) *
Completely agree with you, he doesn't support the strikers as a true AM would, he cannot make the final pass in tight spaces. Yes he makes a lot of insertions in the box, but he can still make those runs coming from the midfield.


Aye. Boateng as AM was only a temporary solution for last season. We cannot keep playing him there. The guy is best suited as box-to-box mid. Why play Gattuso when Boateng can do what he does 10x better and much more. Though we do need a new AM for this to happen, otherwise we'd have to play Seedorf or Robinho there, which isn't exactly cool. C'mon baldie, sign Kaka!
mishie
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2011, 06:41 PM) *
Aye. Boateng as AM was only a temporary solution for last season. We cannot keep playing him there. The guy is best suited as box-to-box mid. Why play Gattuso when Boateng can do what he does 10x better and much more. Though we do need a new AM for this to happen, otherwise we'd have to play Seedorf or Robinho there, which isn't exactly cool. C'mon baldie, sign Kaka!

Or Fantonio can play there is the AM role. Still undecided about the Kaka signing like i said in previous posts what has he got left...either a sparkling return to form or a Sheva situation occuring. Maybe not on the scale of Sheva but you get my drift dry.gif
d'Arc.LP
News:

- According to 'Sky' Zenit are interested in taking the Lazio's striker Mauro Zarate.

- 1 million for the loan plus another 6 for the eventual redemption to be exercised in a year: this is the agreement reached between Inter Milan and Sampdoria for the midfielder Poli.

- Napoli is looking for another defender: according to 'La Gazzetta dello Sport' to the blues like Davide Astori of Cagliari.

- Parma is very close to the Sampdoria defender Daniele Gastaldello, on which there is still a tentative interest from Inter.

- Rome, this weekend is decisive for the future of Gago: The Argentine midfielder could sign with yellow and red.

- Cissokho might be the next reinforcement for Newcastle, he costs 8 million euros, a figure that the 'Magpies' seem willing to pay.

- Enrico Preziosi has spoken about Genoas market: "Palacio will not go to Inter, Borriello's wage are too high, for Gilardinho expect until tomorrow. I like Elia"


source: goal.com
I_Rossoneri
Why would Cissokho cost Newcastle 8m while they wanted 16m from us? No wonder we didn't go ahead with his purchase.
X-Offender
Most of all, why would Lyon want to sell him? And why would Cissokho want to sign for Newcastle? That would be a major step backward for him.
Bluesummers




-Arsenal have confirmed the signing of Park Chu Young from Monaco for 5m Euros.


-Van Der Wiel spotted in london. Reports are coming out that he is about to sign for chelsea.


-Poli is now Inter's on loan.


-Roma are very close to Gago


-Genoa are set to launch a bid for Elia.


-Spanish Media AS is now reporting that negotiations are set to take place between Milan and Madrid tomorrow for Kaka. Perez is demanding 20m Euros for the transfer while Galliani won't go higher than 15m. The spanish media expects the transfer to take place.



-Malù Mpasinkatu a market analyst says "Despite the arrival of Fabregas and the explosion of Alcantara Thaigo which ultimately could decrease much of Keita's playing time; he remains one of Guardiola's favorites, and it is hard to imagine him away from Barcelona at this moment."



-Eriksen a player who we've been linked with all summer long has rejected a move to Milan saying he prefers to stay at ajax and grow. (smart kid)


-Sky says that Milan are back in the market only for players who Milan are able to land on a feasible amount. We won't be paying over the top for anyone and could go into the serie A season as we are.



TMW/MN/CM/ES/Goal
Bluesummers



AC Milan make €15m Kaka move, and are prepared to wait for Real Madrid retreat on price

The Italian club have detailed their offer to the Madrid side, and would have priority should the Spaniards agree to let the attacker leave




EXCLUSIVE
By Sergio Chesi

Lines of communication have been opened between AC Milan and Real Madrid with regards to a sensational return to San Siro for Brazilian attacker Kaka, with the Italian champions looking to seal a cut-price €15 million transfer, Goal.com has learned. ( ofcourse you have rolleyes.gif )


Amid recent links to Inter, Kaka stated his emotional ties to his former club were too strong for him to entertain the idea of joining Massimo Moratti's club. And these words have struck a chord with the powers that be at Via Turati, leading them to make early moves for the Madrid No. 8.

Milan are looking to finish the summer window with a bang just as they did by bringing in Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Robinho at this stage last year, and a return of the much-loved Brazilian would likely be a huge hit with the fans.

The key to the deal remains in the Spanish giants lowering their asking price. They have shown a willingness to listen to offers for the 82-cap forward, but paid out €67 million in total for Kaka in 2009. They have indicated that they would be willing to sell for around half of their original payout, but Milan have lowered the bar further in their hope of pushing Madrid into a cut-price deal.

Bernabeu coach Jose Mourinho has played down talk regarding Kaka's future which sparked from his lack of use in some recent games, but has refused to rule out a move.

"Kaka is my player. He has worked very hard since the first day. He hasn't missed one single training session. It was my decision not to play him very much in official matches but a lot during pre-season," said Mourinho.

"He is called up for [the] Zaragoza [match], like the good professional that he is, and he will be on the bench. That [Mesut] Ozil will play [on Sunday] is nothing new, but I am happy to look to my side and have a player like him there."

The Italians have shown a willingness to pay €15m up front for the player's full rights, or - as a secondary option - would offer to take Kaka on loan for the 2011-12 season with a view to a permanent deal next summer at an agreed cost of €20m.

There remain many obstacles between the current situation and an agreement being reached due to differences in tax laws between the respective countries. There would also need to be a concession of wages on the Brazilian international's part, with a likely reduction from €9m to €6m per year being asked of him. The indications are that Kaka would be willing to meet this stipulation in order to return to Milanello.

With the offer, Adriano Galliani has laid Milan's cards on the table, but there are two possibilities which could result in a deal not being pushed through. First, the attempts to secure a bargain could allow another of Europe's top clubs to usurp Milan in an auction for the player, while Real Madrid could yet make an about-turn and decide that they are no longer interested in listening to offers for the former Sao Paulo man.

But Milan are willing to take that chance, and will be willing to allow time to run short in the summer window before giving up on any deal. With Alberto Aquilani having been brought in, their market is now over but for a Kaka move, meaning that they bide their time - perhaps even until Wednesday's final hours - hoping that Madrid will back down and accept a discount to allow the former Rossoneri hero to return home.


goal.com article, good read. Pretty much summarized what has been already said.




link to article

Read the comments, the damage control has already begun, madristas are pissed!!!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
daj0
Many Thanks for all the updates guys... especially Blue and D'Arc!!

Cheers!



X-Offender
Come on Fester, make it happen!!!
d'Arc.LP
As Blue said, Galliani will go in Madrid tomorrow. And I really hope that Galliani doesn't forget something. Actually if he wears this, he can leave the money home.

Galliani's supernatural yellow-lighting tie :

Dracoris
The loss of Eto'o on my Fifa Ultimate team will be more than made up for is Kaka comes home!!

Hopefully we can accomplish this without having our good relationship with Madrid broken.
Bluesummers



anyone up for De rossi? The italian media in rome is buzzing saying that if De rossi doesn't sign his new contract, he's headed here tongue.gif
X-Offender
He'd be great to have, but I doubt it.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2011, 09:25 PM) *
He'd be great to have, but I doubt it.

Same. I'd love to have him here at Milan.
Bluesummers
So things at this moment are going slow but here is whats going to happen today (sunday).


Galliani will meet with perez in Madrid and discuss things. We are going to request a loan deal with Real Madrid. They'll probably talk over this for a good 6 hours. If the loan deal is accepted he'll be signed on loan on Monday. If it is not accepted, then on monday they'll talk about a permanent transfer.


They'll talk over this for at least a good 12+ hours. Itll go thru till Tuesday. If a deal is agreed, we'll know on Wednesday.



Either way here are the terms for Kaka.


6m/season contract till 2014 or 2015.

We'll also get a portion of his image rights, how much? that is uncertain. I assume it'll be 2m of his image rights, which will go towards paying his wage and we'll pay the remaining 4m.

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I'll try to keep you guys updated every minute something comes out. I actually hope we sign him permanently, its better for us in terms of finances.
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