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d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2011, 04:10 PM) *
LOL d'Arc, I think you might have mistranslated Galliani's words there. He said: ""Abbiamo preso un giocatore di grande qualità, giusto per il Milan. Ma adesso il mercato del Milan non è chiuso: è chiusissimo". Meaning: "We've signed a quality player, right for Milan. But now our mercato is not closed: it's super-closed".

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A friend told me that it means almost...

Lirim: chiusissimo, qka i bjen ?
Artannz MilaN: ndo raste perkthehet stermbyllur ama n ket rast jo se n fillim ka thon non e chiuso,ma chiussisimo nuk eshte e mbyllur,por pothuajse

?
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2011, 03:10 PM) *
LOL d'Arc, I think you might have mistranslated Galliani's words there. He said: ""Abbiamo preso un giocatore di grande qualità, giusto per il Milan. Ma adesso il mercato del Milan non è chiuso: è chiusissimo". Meaning: "We've signed a quality player, right for Milan. But now our mercato is not closed: it's super-closed".

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so the word chiusissimo means super closed which google could not translate wink.gif
kdman
We should have kept Strasser.
Milantheory
if we do sign montolivo aquilani and kaka i dont see any reason for milan or allegri to fear barcelona were the most complete team right now biggrin.gif
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 24 2011, 03:12 PM) *
A friend told me that it means almost...

Lirim: chiusissimo, qka i bjen ?
Artannz MilaN: ndo raste perkthehet stermbyllur ama n ket rast jo se n fillim ka thon non e chiuso,ma chiussisimo nuk eshte e mbyllur,por pothuajse

?

http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl...l=en&tl=it#

it means super closed
han2503
If Aquilani really is our only signing, then disappointment will be the only thing the fans will feel.

Having said that, I don't believe Galliani...
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2011, 03:20 PM) *
If Aquilani really is our only signing, then disappointment will be the only thing the fans will feel.

Having said that, I don't believe Galliani...

i think the signing we made till now have been decent and quite cheap but yea we do need atleast one more signing
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Aug 24 2011, 03:26 PM) *
i think the signing we made till now have been decent and quite cheap but yea we do need atleast one more signing

Now with Flamini being injured our midfield is really depleted.
Milantheory
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2011, 05:30 PM) *
Now with Flamini being injured our midfield is really depleted.


have some faith its galliani guys !! transfer can take only one day so lets be optimistic to what will happen in the seven days biggrin.gif
d'Arc.LP
TAKEN FROM A LIVERPOOL FORUM =
"what I can't get over is the absolute fucking pittance we're about to sell him for. £5m?!? Next summer?! And we're paying him £900k just to **** off?!

Good f*****g grief. THE worst deal in the history of this football club, all in all. £20m paid for a couple of seasons where we've hardly seen him play, loaning him out for 2 years, paying HIM money to LEAVE, and then finally getting a small purse of money for him in the summer of 2012."
X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 24 2011, 04:12 PM) *
A friend told me that it means almost...

Lirim: chiusissimo, qka i bjen ?
Artannz MilaN: ndo raste perkthehet stermbyllur ama n ket rast jo se n fillim ka thon non e chiuso,ma chiussisimo nuk eshte e mbyllur,por pothuajse

?


Nope. Chiusissimo simply means more than closed, you know. The "-issimo" suffix is used to reinforce something. For example, you have bravo and bravissimo, felice and felicissimo etc. Chiusissimo doesn't exist as a word per se, it's just something Galliani invented to tell that we won't be signing anyone else after Aquilani.
Milantheory
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 24 2011, 05:37 PM) *
TAKEN FROM A LIVERPOOL FORUM =
"what I can't get over is the absolute fucking pittance we're about to sell him for. £5m?!? Next summer?! And we're paying him £900k just to **** off?!

Good f*****g grief. THE worst deal in the history of this football club, all in all. £20m paid for a couple of seasons where we've hardly seen him play, loaning him out for 2 years, paying HIM money to LEAVE, and then finally getting a small purse of money for him in the summer of 2012."


i dont blame the guy tbh tongue.gif Liverpool have done some really bad deals and some really good ones but the bad ones are killing including the hefty price they payed for carrol who is only worth half of what he was bought for
X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 24 2011, 04:37 PM) *
TAKEN FROM A LIVERPOOL FORUM =
"what I can't get over is the absolute fucking pittance we're about to sell him for. £5m?!? Next summer?! And we're paying him £900k just to **** off?!

Good f*****g grief. THE worst deal in the history of this football club, all in all. £20m paid for a couple of seasons where we've hardly seen him play, loaning him out for 2 years, paying HIM money to LEAVE, and then finally getting a small purse of money for him in the summer of 2012."


He is right, you know. I don't understand how Liverpool could devalue him like that. Maybe the magic of Galliani was too much for them. biggrin.gif
KillerMax
Confusion anyone? Kaka..? Pretty please?
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2011, 05:38 PM) *
Nope. Chiusissimo simply means more than closed, you know. The "-issimo" suffix is used to reinforce something. For example, you have bravo and bravissimo, felice and felicissimo etc. Chiusissimo doesn't exist as a word per se, it's just something Galliani invented to tell that we won't be signing anyone else after Aquilani.

Can't wait to see Galliani smiling on August 31 next to Kaka.
Dracoris
I wish Galliani would hire Ashton Kutcher to sprint at opposing teams and yell "You got PUNKED!" after all the papers have been signed.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 24 2011, 03:37 PM) *
TAKEN FROM A LIVERPOOL FORUM =
"what I can't get over is the absolute fucking pittance we're about to sell him for. £5m?!? Next summer?! And we're paying him £900k just to **** off?!

Good f*****g grief. THE worst deal in the history of this football club, all in all. £20m paid for a couple of seasons where we've hardly seen him play, loaning him out for 2 years, paying HIM money to LEAVE, and then finally getting a small purse of money for him in the summer of 2012."

I honestly can't stand Liverpool fans, but this one makes a good point.
William405
Welcome alberto!Thumbs up to galliani,great deal.
d'Arc.LP
Ready to bid for Kaka


QUOTE
Played 15 minutes despite the return of the Super Cup encounter against Barcelona seemed to have reactivated the possibility that the Brazilian continued his (mis) adventure with the shirt of the "Merengues" even in the 2011-2012 season, the rumors about a possible farewell Kaká is strongly back in the foreground. AC Milan's interest there, former teammates have identified him as the famous Mr. X and his wife like a player's return to Milan. Now the player touches the effort canarinho, which will decrease the recruitment and work hard to find the lost condition in the Spanish capital. The Rossoneri's leadership seems to have already recommended offer to the club of his friend Florentino Perez loan the player for one season with the obligation to buy. The offer is based on 20 million euros, an amount that is likely to be delayed into four parts. Real Madrid will be sufficient to liberate the Brazilian ace?


source: milannews.it
William405
It's Galliani zone now! tongue.gif
Bluesummers
So tuttosport is now reporting that Kaka deal is looking likely to take place. I know tutto isn't the most reliable source for milan related stuff so i'm waiting for gazetta and corrierre to say something.


But at this moment from a logical and realistic point of view, the Kaka deal is feasible for around 20m Euros, which makes sense for us as we can pay something like 20m easily in 3-4 installments.
X-Offender
€20 million right now or next summer?
Bluesummers
next summer

We barely have a budget anymore because we paid

8m for ibra
5m for el sha
7m for boateng
10m resigning players from co-owns.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 24 2011, 10:35 PM) *
10m resigning players from co-owns.


Such as?
Fillipo Simone
All this wandering around, han's complaining and whining about our depleted midfield and lack of creativity, the fans moving from great expectations to confusion and possible disappointment,...everything could have been easily avoided if we kept Pirlo. At the end of the day, we could have snapped Aquilani also, we wouldn't need Kaka and Monty could have also been agreed for next summer. What a big mistake it was to let Pirlo go.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2011, 02:38 PM) *
Such as?

Signings
GK - Marco Amelia (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link


Co-Ownerships Purchased in full

MF - Rodney Strasser (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link
MF - Nnamdi Oduamadi (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link
FW - Alberto Paloschi (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link
FW - Gianmarco Zigoni (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link
FW - Comi (torino) - undisclosed

credit to Kurt
mishie
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 24 2011, 09:45 PM) *
Signings
GK - Marco Amelia (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link


Co-Ownerships Purchased in full

MF - Rodney Strasser (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link
MF - Nnamdi Oduamadi (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link
FW - Alberto Paloschi (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link
FW - Gianmarco Zigoni (Genoa) - undisclosed - Link

credit to Kurt

if there all undisclosed how did you come up for a figure for them?
Bluesummers
QUOTE (mishie @ Aug 24 2011, 02:50 PM) *
if there all undisclosed how did you come up for a figure for them?

Just an estimate gathered based on reports and such. Like last year amelia's buyout clause was 3m.

I don't remember where but I read that we spent around 10-12m euros on just small purchases and resoloving co-ownerships.

oh and I forgot to Add Comi to the list, he was a signing too.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 24 2011, 09:35 PM) *
next summer

We barely have a budget anymore because we paid

8m for ibra
5m for el sha
7m for boateng
10m resigning players from co-owns.

Compared to other clubs that's peanuts imo, especially for us. After all the hoopla in regards to Mr. X bla bla bla and after letting go of Pirlo.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2011, 09:42 PM) *
All this wandering around, han's complaining and whining about our depleted midfield and lack of creativity, the fans moving from great expectations to confusion and possible disappointment,...everything could have been easily avoided if we kept Pirlo. At the end of the day, we could have snapped Aquilani also, we wouldn't need Kaka and Monty could have also been agreed for next summer. What a big mistake it was to let Pirlo go.

I was nodding along as I read this, even the part where you insulted my tasteful analysis in regards to our midfield tongue.gif

But please Pirlo is a HUGE can of worms for me, let's not open it, or I could be here complaining about letting one of our best players go for NOTHING, while we resigned Rino and Ambro
mishie
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But please Pirlo is a HUGE can of worms for me, let's not open it, or I could be here complaining about letting one of our best players go for NOTHING, while we resigned Rino and Ambro


i'm with you on that one han!!!
CHU-LIP
We got Aquilani and Seedorf. Pirlo won't be missed. Hopefully we will sign an AM now, Shame that after loaning out Strasser Flamini got long term injured. That's really unfortunate, because we may need to sign a replacement now.
amancik
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 25 2011, 05:12 AM) *
We got Aquilani and Seedorf. Pirlo won't be missed. Hopefully we will sign an AM now, Shame that after loaning out Strasser Flamini got long term injured. That's really unfortunate, because we may need to sign a replacement now.


Asamoah would be nice.
mishie
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 24 2011, 10:12 PM) *
We got Aquilani and Seedorf. Pirlo won't be missed. Hopefully we will sign an AM now, Shame that after loaning out Strasser Flamini got long term injured. That's really unfortunate, because we may need to sign a replacement now.

the best in the world in that position won't be missed!?!?

our loss is Juve's gain for sure!
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 24 2011, 09:12 PM) *
We got Aquilani and Seedorf. Pirlo won't be missed. Hopefully we will sign an AM now, Shame that after loaning out Strasser Flamini got long term injured. That's really unfortunate, because we may need to sign a replacement now.

Still not enough. It wasn't enough last season when we had Pirlo and Seedorf and even then most of us knew that we needed another CM. So letting Pirlo go doubled our problems. And that is not even taking into consideration the AM position or the fact that we still rely on the ailing ghost of Rino on the right rolleyes.gif

Anyways, you and me better not get into this Pirlo thing because we both know we're on completely different sides of the spectrum.

I myself and many other fans don't believe that Aquilani is enough, we haven't even scratched the surface and now with Flamini injured for such a long time, more of the responsability will be pushed upon Rino and Ambro, which is a headache in and of itself.

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As for Seedorf, have you forgotten how much Seedorf was cursed out last season? When he was playing like cr@p, and it's not his fault that the club is still completely reliant on him when he's 35 years old. It's completely unfair, yet when you see him out there and he can barely run any more or put 2 passes together then you can't help but throw insults at him in the heat of the moment. And the same thing will happen this season. Sure he's brilliant now, but he usually is in pre-season when he's still fresh, let's revisit this post in a couple of months when he's been playing practically every 3 days and we'll see how highly most of us will think of him then
X-Offender
Strange that Juve signed our reject (Pirlo) to replace Aquilani, whilst we signed Juve's reject (Aquilani) to replace Pirlo. laugh.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (mishie @ Aug 24 2011, 11:17 PM) *
the best in the world in that position won't be missed!?!?

Seedorf plays better than him. And when Seedorf doesn't, we got Aquilani now.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2011, 11:19 PM) *
Sure he's brilliant now, but he usually is in pre-season when he's still fresh, let's revisit this post in a couple of months when he's been playing practically every 3 days and we'll see how highly most of us will think of him then


Not now that we signed Aquilani. I'm hoping Seedorf will be preserved for the Champions League games, and the big Serie A ones.
han2503
QUOTE (amancik @ Aug 24 2011, 09:13 PM) *
Asamoah would be nice.

We don't need anymore workmen in that midfield, even if Flamini is as such. We have Rino, Flamini, Ambro and VB who do the dirty work, losing 1 of them won't do too much damage as long as it's not VB. However should we lose Aqui or Seedorf, or both at the same time

Then we'll be staring at a Ambro--VB--Rino midfield. Which is just not good at all. Imo we needed 2 CMs no matter what, Flamini getting injured imo is irrelevant, we could find a similar player to back him up but then we'll just be increasing the squad size without any rational thought behind the move.

I still think that we should go in for Monto, on the last few days, Fiorentina are going to risk losing him for practically nothing in a couple of months. should we offer them something decent, around 6 - 8m then they should jump at it.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2011, 11:21 PM) *
Strange that Juve signed our reject (Pirlo) to replace Aquilani, whilst we signed Juve's reject (Aquilani) to replace Pirlo. laugh.gif

Not sure Aquilani is really Juve's reject (Liverpool's reject for sure). Juve preferred Pirlo over him, because Pirlo was free and Aquilani wasn't. And well, Pirlo also got a bigger name. Pirlo most likely needed a new challenge anyway.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2011, 11:23 PM) *
Not now that we signed Aquilani. I'm hoping Seedorf will be preserved for the Champions League games, and the big Serie A ones.

Me too. With good rotation we will have an excellent Seedorf when it matters. And for many other games Aquilani will do the job just fine.
Fillipo Simone
With all due respect, I cannot understand how someone tips a 35yo Seedorf and a Aquilani to be better then Pirlo. I love Clarence and always will, but I'd swap the two for Pirlo instantly.
mishie
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 24 2011, 10:21 PM) *
Seedorf plays better than him. And when Seedorf doesn't, we got Aquilani now.

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erm ok so Seedorf is the best in the world in that position...and Aquilani isn't a playmaker in the Pirlo mould.
there is only 1 pirlo he was 1 of a kind, anyways we've had this discussion before and it wasn't good so i'm leaving it there
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2011, 11:25 PM) *
With all due respect, I cannot understand how someone tips a 35yo Seedorf and a Aquilani to be better then Pirlo. I love Clarence and always will, but I'd swap the two for Pirlo instantly.


So, you consider Pirlo to be a greater player than Clarence. I don't know about that. To me, Seedorf is somewhat a legend. His only downfall is his old age.
CHU-LIP
I actually kinda agree that signing Montolivo would be a good idea. Even after signing Aquilani, it's still riskful. Unless Valoti and/or Fossati are able to cover like Merkel did last season? I can't rate them well for now though.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 24 2011, 09:21 PM) *
Seedorf plays better than him. And when Seedorf doesn't, we got Aquilani now.

Read Filippo's post below ----->

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2011, 09:23 PM) *
Not now that we signed Aquilani. I'm hoping Seedorf will be preserved for the Champions League games, and the big Serie A ones.

Allegri hasn't proved to be a master of that particular art just yet. wink.gif

And also, we've barely even started the season and already our already paper thin midfield has been hit with 3 injuries to our most important players.

If that happens during the season then Allegri won't have any choice but to play both, and who knows, if we don't get Kaka, we could be seeing Aquilani in the AM position, Seedorf on the left and Boa on the right. Those 3 players are very versitile, and I'm inclined to believe that we'll be seeing them switched from one position to the other during the season. Especially if Gattuso keeps having the type of brain farths he's been having in pre-season...

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 24 2011, 09:24 PM) *
Not sure Aquilani is really Juve's reject (Liverpool's reject for sure). Juve preferred Pirlo over him, because Pirlo was free and Aquilani wasn't. And well, Pirlo also got a bigger name. Pirlo most likely needed a new challenge anyway.


Me too. With good rotation we will have an excellent Seedorf when it matters. And for many other games Aquilani will do the job just fine.

Pirlo was free, is a better player then Aquilani and as you said, he's a much bigger name, he's also a born winner, which is something that Juve team need in there. Of course they weren't going to pay decent money on Aquilani when they knew Pirlo was coming while also having Marchisio and Vidal for the 2 midfield system Conte plays

Seedorf usually has dips in form even when he's not played much at times. Last season, around the time of the xmas break, Pirlo was playing on the left while Seedorf was mostly on the bench. When Pirlo got injured Seedorf stepped in on the left and he was playing like cr@p, look at the Roma game at the San Siro for further reference.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2011, 09:25 PM) *
With all due respect, I cannot understand how someone tips a 35yo Seedorf and a Aquilani to be better then Pirlo. I love Clarence and always will, but I'd swap the two for Pirlo instantly.

Completely with you on that
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2011, 11:25 PM) *
With all due respect, I cannot understand how someone tips a 35yo Seedorf and a Aquilani to be better then Pirlo. I love Clarence and always will, but I'd swap the two for Pirlo instantly.

The argument here is Seedorf being 35 year makes him less good than Pirlo? Watching Seedorf in 2011, he played most of the times really well. Better than Pirlo does in my opinion. Let's forget about the age and Pirlo's past.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 24 2011, 09:41 PM) *
The argument here is Seedorf being 35 year makes him less good than Pirlo? Watching Seedorf in 2011, he played most of the times really well. Better than Pirlo does in my opinion. Let's forget about the age and Pirlo's past.

I think you're forgetting who you responded to there wink.gif

Filippo is probably the one who fights the ageist attitude on here the most. And he's probably as much a Seedorf fan as R7. But it's just not comparable. Pirlo is just the better player of the 2 these days.

And you must be picking and choosing a lot through your recent memories, because Seedorf had a handful of brilliant games last season, he wasn't brilliant. He had stinkers, clunkers and average games as well.
mishie
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2011, 10:48 PM) *
I think you're forgetting who you responded to there wink.gif

Filippo is probably the one who fights the ageist attitude on here the most. And he's probably as much a Seedorf fan as R7. But it's just not comparable. Pirlo is just the better player of the 2 these days.

And you must be picking and choosing a lot through your recent memories, because Seedorf had a handful of brilliant games last season, he wasn't brilliant. He had stinkers, clunkers and average games as well.

again the Han man speaketh the truth...i remember more bad games than good for Clarence (and he is a legend) and age is always relevant its a simple fact of life..shoudn't be the deciding factor but it is a factor nevertheless.
like i stated earlier...no one and i mean no one can/could play that position better than Pirlo
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2011, 11:48 PM) *
I think you're forgetting who you responded to there wink.gif

Filippo is probably the one who fights the ageist attitude on here the most. And he's probably as much a Seedorf fan as R7. But it's just not comparable. Pirlo is just the better player of the 2 these days.

And you must be picking and choosing a lot through your recent memories, because Seedorf had a handful of brilliant games last season, he wasn't brilliant. He had stinkers, clunkers and average games as well.

And when has Pirlo been brilliant? Actually, Seedorf has several times this year. And don't let me start about Pirlo's flaws. Seedorf is better in so many ways, from attacking to defending. And Pirlo can suck on Seedorf's free-kick.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 24 2011, 09:59 PM) *
And when has Pirlo been brilliant? Actually, Seedorf has several times this year. And don't let me start about Pirlo's flaws. Seedorf is better in so many ways, from attacking to defending. And Pirlo can suck on Seedorf's free-kick.

Your bias towards Pirlo sometimes astounds me. So like I said, let's not get into it, we won't change each other's minds one way or the other
mishie
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 24 2011, 10:59 PM) *
And when has Pirlo been brilliant? Actually, Seedorf has several times this year. And don't let me start about Pirlo's flaws. Seedorf is better in so many ways, from attacking to defending. And Pirlo can suck on Seedorf's free-kick.

your biased view is blocking the facts
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