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Stop saying maradona, it hurts.
Okay. 
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 29 2010, 05:30 AM) 
Screw you man! Montreal is French! 
hahaha
if u mean french as the language well yes.
but as far as culture it would be like saying americans are british/english
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ May 4 2010, 06:38 PM)
Okay.
Though that picture does have one positive. That's the last time they managed to beat us in 90 minutes.
QUOTE (Habitant @ May 4 2010, 10:12 PM)
hahaha
if u mean french as the language well yes.
but as far as culture it would be like saying americans are british/english
if u mean french as the language well yes.
but as far as culture it would be like saying americans are british/english
Isn't language part of culture?
QUOTE (dst @ May 4 2010, 04:43 PM)
Messi can't do what Maradona did. I doubt it's possible in today's game. But Messi does not even reach the equivalent of what Maradona did, he's certainly not that great in big games.
I think the only thing he lacks is Marradona's physique. if he did have that, he'd come very close to what Maradona did. at least against non-Italian style defenses!
QUOTE (Danny @ May 4 2010, 05:24 PM)
It is when one looks at point #1...
The point is not who your favorite is. You've said before that Messi is not the best player in the world, Xavi and Iniesta are.
QUOTE (Danny @ May 4 2010, 05:24 PM)
Who do I consider to be the greatest? I'm unclear on who you're referring to.
Xavi and Iniesta.
QUOTE (Danny @ May 4 2010, 05:24 PM)
Well yes. So you're agreeing with me. What are we talking about here...
I'm agreeing with you on that Messi is not as good as 'That Guy Whose Name Annoys Kurt', I'm disagreeing on that Messi is not the best right now... and the way you focus on how poor Messi was after a game in which Xavi (someone you consider to be better - I hope you realize that it does not matter if he's your favorite or not) was also poor.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 4 2010, 09:52 PM)
I think the only thing he lacks is Marradona's physique. if he did have that, he'd come very close to what Maradona did. at least against non-Italian style defenses!
What he lacks is leadership qualities in my view.
Well, that too - leadership, charisma, etc.
But you'll agree he's too weak physically to make his way past through every kind of defense like Maradona did, won't you?
But you'll agree he's too weak physically to make his way past through every kind of defense like Maradona did, won't you?
No. He does not need to do it physically. He's not doing it that way.
Did you watch Inter-Barca and Barca-Inter? cause you could see how easily Inter defenders managed to beat him to the ball several times due to their superior physique. how can you say 'no'!? agree with me already 
QUOTE (dst @ May 4 2010, 08:35 PM)
The point is not who your favorite is. You've said before that Messi is not the best player in the world, Xavi and Iniesta are.
That is correct.
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Xavi and Iniesta.
Yes.
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I'm agreeing with you on that Messi is not as good as 'That Guy Whose Name Annoys Kurt', I'm disagreeing on that Messi is not the best right now... and the way you focus on how poor Messi was after a game in which Xavi (someone you consider to be better - I hope you realize that it does not matter if he's your favorite or not) was also poor.
The hype surrounding Messi is far and away greater than the hype around Iniesta and Xavi. They do not have the 'expectation' of them that Messi has.
I know damn well none of these guys are as special as 'Maradona' as do you - my point was that many think Messi is. No one makes the same claim about the other 2 - so not mentioning them as failing to drag their team into the final is perfectly fair as there's nothing like the same hype surrounding them.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 4 2010, 10:49 PM)
Did you watch Inter-Barca and Barca-Inter? cause you could see how easily Inter defenders managed to beat him to the ball several times due to their superior physique. how can you say 'no'!? agree with me already
dst's a persistent one, I'll give him/her that.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 4 2010, 05:49 PM)
Did you watch Inter-Barca and Barca-Inter? cause you could see how easily Inter defenders managed to beat him to the ball several times due to their superior physique. how can you say 'no'!? agree with me already
I think dst is flirting with you, zeddie.
QUOTE (Danny @ May 4 2010, 05:03 PM)
I know damn well none of these guys are as special as 'Maradona' as do you - my point was that many think Messi is. No one makes the same claim about the other 2 - so not mentioning them as failing to drag their team into the final is perfectly fair as there's nothing like the same hype surrounding them.
It should be pointed out that Messi probably draws Maradona in part because he is also Argentinian. It's a stupid reason to compare, but I've seen similar things happen in other sports, like "the next Michael Jordan" was always the new star out of North Carolina regardless of playing style, until Kobe actually became a not-quite as good Jordan clone a couple of years ago.
I think them both being about 4 foot tall and having fantastic dribbling skills is also why they're compared. Oh, and the fact they both did this:
First the cheating ***** of a ******* ********
then
Messi
Why did nobody fould them!? Scarily similar goals though.
First the cheating ***** of a ******* ********
then
Messi
Why did nobody fould them!? Scarily similar goals though.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 5 2010, 12:49 AM)
Did you watch Inter-Barca and Barca-Inter? cause you could see how easily Inter defenders managed to beat him to the ball several times due to their superior physique. how can you say 'no'!? agree with me already
What I saw was Messi being hesitant to make things happen. Of course he can't do as many and as spectacular things as he does against other type of defenders but he can do it once or twice I'm sure of that. And the last time I checked Maradona scored what's called the goal of the century once... most of the big games are decided by one single moment of genius... can't he do against inert what he did against Arsenal? No. But can he make them look like fools. In a single deciding move. I believe he has the ability to do it, I'm quite sure. But it's obvious he does not know how yet.
QUOTE (Danny @ May 5 2010, 01:03 AM)
That is correct.
I know.
QUOTE (Danny @ May 5 2010, 01:03 AM)
The hype surrounding Messi is far and away greater than the hype around Iniesta and Xavi. They do not have the 'expectation' of them that Messi has.
I know damn well none of these guys are as special as 'Maradona' as do you - my point was that many think Messi is. No one makes the same claim about the other 2 - so not mentioning them as failing to drag their team into the final is perfectly fair as there's nothing like the same hype surrounding them.
I know damn well none of these guys are as special as 'Maradona' as do you - my point was that many think Messi is. No one makes the same claim about the other 2 - so not mentioning them as failing to drag their team into the final is perfectly fair as there's nothing like the same hype surrounding them.
OK I get what you're saying.
My problem is that you're happy to see Messi fail to imitate Maradona but you forget that Messi is still only 22. At 22 Maradona was still... in Argentina. Messi has done many more things (compared to Maradona at 22) and he has shown he has the ability to make thing as big as the things Maradona did. Of course he can't do now what Maradona was doing at his peak. But this is an unfair comparison. By comparing them now it's like saying Messi is at his peak. You don't know that. Maturity is the biggest factor when it comes to leading a team in my view and Maradona at 22 could not do what he managed to do later in his career... hell he could not do what Messi is doing at 22.
I get where you're coming from, I'm annoyed by the hype surrounding Messi as much as you are. But I'm bored by the whole thing to be bothered. Personally I am not writing Messi off. He can't do what Maradona was doing at his peak yet. 'Yet' is the keyword for me though.
QUOTE (dst @ May 5 2010, 10:49 AM)
OK I get what you're saying.
My problem is that you're happy to see Messi fail to imitate Maradona but you forget that Messi is still only 22. At 22 Maradona was still... in Argentina. Messi has done many more things (compared to Maradona at 22) and he has shown he has the ability to make thing as big as the things Maradona did. Of course he can't do now what Maradona was doing at his peak. But this is an unfair comparison. By comparing them now it's like saying Messi is at his peak. You don't know that. Maturity is the biggest factor when it comes to leading a team in my view and Maradona at 22 could not do what he managed to do later in his career... hell he could not do what Messi is doing at 22.
I get where you're coming from, I'm annoyed by the hype surrounding Messi as much as you are. But I'm bored by the whole thing to be bothered. Personally I am not writing Messi off. He can't do what Maradona was doing at his peak yet. 'Yet' is the keyword for me though.
My problem is that you're happy to see Messi fail to imitate Maradona but you forget that Messi is still only 22. At 22 Maradona was still... in Argentina. Messi has done many more things (compared to Maradona at 22) and he has shown he has the ability to make thing as big as the things Maradona did. Of course he can't do now what Maradona was doing at his peak. But this is an unfair comparison. By comparing them now it's like saying Messi is at his peak. You don't know that. Maturity is the biggest factor when it comes to leading a team in my view and Maradona at 22 could not do what he managed to do later in his career... hell he could not do what Messi is doing at 22.
I get where you're coming from, I'm annoyed by the hype surrounding Messi as much as you are. But I'm bored by the whole thing to be bothered. Personally I am not writing Messi off. He can't do what Maradona was doing at his peak yet. 'Yet' is the keyword for me though.
Even if we remove the dreaded 'M' word from the equation, the hype around Messi is that he is by far and away the world's best player. Yet was unable, over the 2 legs, to influence the game enough for his side to win. He did it against Arsenal, but their defence is a sieve compared to Inter.
My point, consequently, is surely those 2 legs against Inter proved that while Messi is a world class forward, he is not worthy, yet, of the hype and hysteria bestowed upon him. For if he was, he'd have been able to influence his side into winning despite them playing poorly. Maybe he will in the future, but he can't do it now, and that's why he's not worthy of the hysteria in my view.
QUOTE (servbot @ May 5 2010, 01:41 AM)
It should be pointed out that Messi probably draws Maradona in part because he is also Argentinian. It's a stupid reason to compare, but I've seen similar things happen in other sports, like "the next Michael Jordan" was always the new star out of North Carolina regardless of playing style, until Kobe actually became a not-quite as good Jordan clone a couple of years ago.
I've seen articles about 'the new Maradona' - there must be about 10 players over the past decade who have been labelled this way - Aimar, Riquelme, Ortega, Saviola to name a meagre 4 of them.
Messi is the latest, and it seems to be a world obsession as much as an Argentinian one to find a new Maradona.
Messi is probably the closest so far, but at only 22, we'll see if he matures and fulfils the promise.
This is ****ing unbelievable! wow...
Hopefully Inter wins 3-1
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Blog: Italy 1982 = Inter 2010
Steve Mitchell on the 10 uncanny similarities between Italy’s 1982 World Cup victory and Inter’s Champions League charge
1. Italy started their 1982 World Cup campaign with a goalless draw against Poland. Jose Mourinho’s men kicked off their current Champions League season with a 0-0 at San Siro against Barcelona.
2. Back in 1982, Enzo Bearzot’s team drew their next two matches to qualify for the second stage as group runners up. After Barcelona, Inter could only draw with Rubin Kazan and Dynamo Kiev and finished as group runners up.
3. Under mounting pressure 28 years ago, Bearzot declared a Press embargo. After the home game against Sampdoria this season, Mourinho also refused to speak to the media.
4. When Italy faced the might of Argentina in Spain, the Azzurri raised their game to silence the critics with a 2-1 victory. Inter were never expected to beat Chelsea in the first knock out stage of this season’s Champions League, but they did twice – 2-1 and 1-0.
5. In Spain, Bearzot’s Azzurri faced Brazil in what was effectively a semi-final play-off. Not many people gave them a hope but they turned the form book on its head with a 3-2 victory. Move forward 28 years and Barcelona were expected to see off the Italian challenge in the semi-final. Mourinho tore up the script as his team ran out 3-2 aggregate winners.
6. In 1982, Italy faced Poland in the semi-final in a repeat of their opening fixture. The Nerazzurri also faced the same opposition, Barcelona, in the last four as they had done in their opening group game.
7. Bearzot’s men played their semi-final game at the Camp Nou, Mourinho’s side also played their semi-final second leg at the same venue.
8. Their victory in 1982 was the first for the Azzurri since the 1930s. Back then they won consecutive World Cups in 1934 and 1938, one of which was on home soil. Should Inter seal victory on Saturday night in Madrid, it will be their first victory in the competition since their back to back victories in 1964 and ‘65, one of which was in their San Siro home.
9. Enzo Bearzot’s victory in 1982 came 44 years after the second success of Vittorio Pozzo. Should Mourinho triumph on Saturday, it will be 45 years since Helenio Herrera won the second of his two European Cups.
10. The Azzurri’s opponents in the World Cup Final of 1982 were West Germany and the game was played at the Santiago Bernabeu in Madrid. Mourinho must overcome German opposition in Bayern Munich at the same venue if Inter are to become kings of Europe again. So 3-1 Inter anybody?
Football Italia
Steve Mitchell on the 10 uncanny similarities between Italy’s 1982 World Cup victory and Inter’s Champions League charge
1. Italy started their 1982 World Cup campaign with a goalless draw against Poland. Jose Mourinho’s men kicked off their current Champions League season with a 0-0 at San Siro against Barcelona.
2. Back in 1982, Enzo Bearzot’s team drew their next two matches to qualify for the second stage as group runners up. After Barcelona, Inter could only draw with Rubin Kazan and Dynamo Kiev and finished as group runners up.
3. Under mounting pressure 28 years ago, Bearzot declared a Press embargo. After the home game against Sampdoria this season, Mourinho also refused to speak to the media.
4. When Italy faced the might of Argentina in Spain, the Azzurri raised their game to silence the critics with a 2-1 victory. Inter were never expected to beat Chelsea in the first knock out stage of this season’s Champions League, but they did twice – 2-1 and 1-0.
5. In Spain, Bearzot’s Azzurri faced Brazil in what was effectively a semi-final play-off. Not many people gave them a hope but they turned the form book on its head with a 3-2 victory. Move forward 28 years and Barcelona were expected to see off the Italian challenge in the semi-final. Mourinho tore up the script as his team ran out 3-2 aggregate winners.
6. In 1982, Italy faced Poland in the semi-final in a repeat of their opening fixture. The Nerazzurri also faced the same opposition, Barcelona, in the last four as they had done in their opening group game.
7. Bearzot’s men played their semi-final game at the Camp Nou, Mourinho’s side also played their semi-final second leg at the same venue.
8. Their victory in 1982 was the first for the Azzurri since the 1930s. Back then they won consecutive World Cups in 1934 and 1938, one of which was on home soil. Should Inter seal victory on Saturday night in Madrid, it will be their first victory in the competition since their back to back victories in 1964 and ‘65, one of which was in their San Siro home.
9. Enzo Bearzot’s victory in 1982 came 44 years after the second success of Vittorio Pozzo. Should Mourinho triumph on Saturday, it will be 45 years since Helenio Herrera won the second of his two European Cups.
10. The Azzurri’s opponents in the World Cup Final of 1982 were West Germany and the game was played at the Santiago Bernabeu in Madrid. Mourinho must overcome German opposition in Bayern Munich at the same venue if Inter are to become kings of Europe again. So 3-1 Inter anybody?
Football Italia
Hopefully Inter wins 3-1
Haha, that's interesting.
I cannot describe how much I'd love it if inert lost.
I'd bet all my money on Inter,They defeated chelsea and Barca:Bayern won't stop them.Although,I hate it,it's the truth.
QUOTE (dst @ May 21 2010, 09:02 AM)
I cannot describe how much I'd love it if inert lost.
+1
Inter winning the CL < Me vomiting blood
QUOTE (dst @ May 21 2010, 05:32 PM)
I cannot describe how much I'd love it if inert lost.
Would you love it if Serie A lost it's 4th CL spot as well?
I'm rooting for Inter all the way. Losing a Champions League spot would be disastrous.
I'm rooting for FC Bayern all the way. I don't give a **** about UEFA coefficents. (Besides, I like Germany anyway. - NOT Bayern though)
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 22 2010, 01:59 AM)
I'm rooting for Inter all the way. Losing a Champions League spot would be disastrous.
It'd be ****ing embarrassing as well. as Serie A fans we are abused enough as it is. I can't imagine what Serie A haters will be saying if we lose that spot. it all depends on Inter and I hope they succeed. they deserve it anyway, whether we like it or not.
As much as I hate it, you almost have to pull for Inter. Having that 4th place is what keeps us in the running as being an elite league. We'll be on the same level as France and Russia if we lose it.
So then Italy can do well next year and get the co-efficient back.
screw Inter
screw Inter
QUOTE (servbot @ May 22 2010, 01:31 AM)
So then Italy can do well next year and get the co-efficient back.
screw Inter
screw Inter
I don't think it works like that. It's more of a long-term situation, unless someone proves me wrong.
We could get it back sure, but we'd still lose it for the 2011-2012 season. And we'd lose a spot that year, so Germany would have an extra team in the CL earning points. Its harder than just 'We'll get it back next year'.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 22 2010, 02:57 AM)
Would you love it if Serie A lost it's 4th CL spot as well?
Wouldn't care honestly. None of the teams who fought to finish 4th place have a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything in the CL. And so the concept of them earning us more co-efficient points is moot. F@ck Inter!
My two fav. are out , Milan and Chelsea.
And I don't care that much for coefficient neither but I still want Inter to win this one.
Bayern won a game (against Fiorentina in Alianz Arena) with the help of the referee and since then I don't like them (except in the games vs MANs United).
And I don't care that much for coefficient neither but I still want Inter to win this one.
Bayern won a game (against Fiorentina in Alianz Arena) with the help of the referee and since then I don't like them (except in the games vs MANs United).
agreed i actually like how inter have carried italy on their backs after much european failure (roma, genoa,lazio, us and juventus) with fiorentina being the exception. Sadly they lost by ref to bayern , so yeah i hop inter destroy bayern and balotelli gets 5 goals...
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 22 2010, 01:38 AM)
Wouldn't care honestly. None of the teams who fought to finish 4th place have a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything in the CL. And so the concept of them earning us more co-efficient points is moot. F@ck Inter!
Exactly, losing the 4th CL spot might actually force not only Milan, but Italian football in general to make some changes.
Poor Galliani will have to make 2nd place our season objective instead of 3rd.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 22 2010, 07:38 AM)
Wouldn't care honestly. None of the teams who fought to finish 4th place have a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything in the CL.
And if we were one of those teams in two-years time?
It's better not to risk.
@ Jack
It's not like there is no chance of us battling for the fourth spot in the near future! how did it not cross your mind? it'd be really hard for us to compete with Inter, Juve (yes, Juve! I believe they will be back to their better days sooner than anyone expects) and Roma. not to mention the likes of Fiorentina, Palermo, etc.
Serie A needs the 4th spot, end of story. just admit it and cheer on Inter!
It's not like there is no chance of us battling for the fourth spot in the near future! how did it not cross your mind? it'd be really hard for us to compete with Inter, Juve (yes, Juve! I believe they will be back to their better days sooner than anyone expects) and Roma. not to mention the likes of Fiorentina, Palermo, etc.
Serie A needs the 4th spot, end of story. just admit it and cheer on Inter!
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 21 2010, 11:27 PM)
Would you love it if Serie A lost it's 4th CL spot as well?
I'd rather we missed on one or even two years of CL football than see inert win it. It's not like we'll have a chance of winning the Big Ear thing anyway if we're a 4th spot team. Besides, if there's 3 CL spots and we finish below we don't deserve to be in it anyway...
So to answer your question... I could not care less.
I will never ever want an inert victory, I was even rooting for the scousers when they were playing against them two years ago!
QUOTE (servbot @ May 22 2010, 02:31 AM)
screw Inter
QUOTE (servbot @ May 21 2010, 11:31 PM)
screw Inter
+1million
Fran Ribery aint playing but still Bayren got to win, Inter allready got the scudetto(1) coppa italia(2) campions leauge (hell no!! ) I don't fancy Mourinho and now when Mourinho might leave Inter, he wont go with the trippel 
I hope..
I hope..
I can't actually stand Bayern and still have no idea how they made the final.
So I do believe that once again I will be on Inter's side tonight.
So I do believe that once again I will be on Inter's side tonight.
QUOTE (Danny @ May 22 2010, 04:33 PM)
I can't actually stand Bayern and still have no idea how they made the final.
So I do believe that once again I will be on Inter's side tonight.
So I do believe that once again I will be on Inter's side tonight.
It pains me to say this but I'm with you, Italian football needs to be put back on the map and Inter winning this will do just that.
Plus I can't stand anything that has to do with German football, so win win
Inter in a CL final? Meh, who would have thought that 2 years ago when Mou signed?
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 22 2010, 09:01 PM)
Inter in a CL final? Meh, who would have thought that 2 years ago when Mou signed?
Por-ty!
Por-ty!
AC Milan = MUST WIN
Inter = MUST LOSE
everything else, including the ****ing Serie A itself = in the middle !!!
FORZA FC BAYERN !!!!!
Why's that?
I understand if you don't like FC Bayern (yuck) but whole German football... ?
Inter = MUST LOSE
everything else, including the ****ing Serie A itself = in the middle !!!
FORZA FC BAYERN !!!!!
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 22 2010, 05:07 PM)
Plus I can't stand anything that has to do with German football, so win win
Why's that?
I understand if you don't like FC Bayern (yuck) but whole German football... ?
half time...... 1 ****ing 0 
Boring final I have ever watched.Bayern aren't really a joy to watch,let alone INTER.
QUOTE (William405 @ May 22 2010, 09:39 PM)
Boring final I have ever watched.Bayern aren't really a joy to watch,let alone INTER.
More boring than Milan-Juventus?
Go Inter go!
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 22 2010, 07:41 PM)
Go Inter go!
!!!
I'm struggling to watch this. Terrible game, plus I'm having to watch the American showing of the game.
I may put it on mute, the way they all keep saying the word "Milan" is actually angering me.
I may put it on mute, the way they all keep saying the word "Milan" is actually angering me.
.So inter will defend now with all their players,1-0 win.Mourinho is a genius!
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