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What we do NOT need is more injuries...
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Dec 6 2008, 07:43 PM) 
Brehme, Kohler, Buchwald, Berthold, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer, Förster, Briegel, Sammer, Eilts, Breitner, Vogts....oh yes, they were all useless.
I said "I don't remember", in other words, in recent years (post-2000)!! sorry, didn't mean no offense.PS. And by 'defender', I meant CBs, Nesta-level CBs.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 6 2008, 08:51 PM)
In fact, the best alltime defenders from Europe IMO come from Italy and Germany (in that order).
I'd add France to that too...
this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand about german defenders..but i just feel like randomly saying that...
i believe that the valencia/portugal box-to-box midfielder manuel fernandes is a clarence seedorf clone and has nice potential. He is a small tank, plays with very compact skill (which is what reminds me of clarence), intelligently, and is strong on the ball. I don't know enough about Cardacio to say he can adequately replace Seedorf..but i think Fernandes fits the bill.
just my random musing..
i believe that the valencia/portugal box-to-box midfielder manuel fernandes is a clarence seedorf clone and has nice potential. He is a small tank, plays with very compact skill (which is what reminds me of clarence), intelligently, and is strong on the ball. I don't know enough about Cardacio to say he can adequately replace Seedorf..but i think Fernandes fits the bill.
just my random musing..
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Dec 6 2008, 10:55 PM)
I said "I don't remember", in other words, in recent years (post-2000)!! sorry, didn't mean no offense.PS. And by 'defender', I meant CBs, Nesta-level CBs.
From 2000 till now a gap appeared. Metzelder was very promising, but injuries ruined him. Still, he allways recup's for the finals..
. Nowotny + Babbel are the best German defenders in the new century, IMO. But yes, they need one. Serdar Tasci? No, no thanks...
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Dec 6 2008, 11:55 PM)
PS. And by 'defender', I meant CBs, Nesta-level CBs.
Nesta-level? Well... there's Nesta... and that's about it. BEST.CENTER BACK. EVER.
Damn I love him! And I miss him so much...
And you still won't let me have dibs, you Greek Meaniehead!
QUOTE (vnata001 @ Dec 6 2008, 10:01 PM)
this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand about german defenders..but i just feel like randomly saying that...
i believe that the valencia/portugal box-to-box midfielder manuel fernandes is a clarence seedorf clone and has nice potential. He is a small tank, plays with very compact skill (which is what reminds me of clarence), intelligently, and is strong on the ball. I don't know enough about Cardacio to say he can adequately replace Seedorf..but i think Fernandes fits the bill.
just my random musing..
i believe that the valencia/portugal box-to-box midfielder manuel fernandes is a clarence seedorf clone and has nice potential. He is a small tank, plays with very compact skill (which is what reminds me of clarence), intelligently, and is strong on the ball. I don't know enough about Cardacio to say he can adequately replace Seedorf..but i think Fernandes fits the bill.
just my random musing..
Fernandes is nothing like Seedorf.
For goodness sake, sign someone young and talented, enough with old players.
I'm going to suggest some potential Italian options.
Firstly, I'd bring back Abate from the co-ownership deal with Toro (for those paying attention, he's apparently recovered from his injury and is in the probable starting lineup for tomorrow's game). That's the easy one. I'd also bring back Paloschi from Parma.
I'd also suggest taking a close look at Luca Cigarini of Atalanta. He's on (I think) a co-ownership deal with Parma. Good AM. Finally, I'd also suggest Domenico Criscito of Genoa, a defender. The difficulty with him is that he's co-owned between Genoa and the Gobbi, though Genoa have an option to buy at the end of the season.
Firstly, I'd bring back Abate from the co-ownership deal with Toro (for those paying attention, he's apparently recovered from his injury and is in the probable starting lineup for tomorrow's game). That's the easy one. I'd also bring back Paloschi from Parma.
I'd also suggest taking a close look at Luca Cigarini of Atalanta. He's on (I think) a co-ownership deal with Parma. Good AM. Finally, I'd also suggest Domenico Criscito of Genoa, a defender. The difficulty with him is that he's co-owned between Genoa and the Gobbi, though Genoa have an option to buy at the end of the season.
I'd definitely love to see Abate and Paloschi back. I don't know who Cigarini is, but people say he's the new Pirlo, is that true?
Cigarini is an attacking midfielder/playmaker who usually plays a little further up the pitch than Pirlo does for Milan. I think he's rather good.
Sure and m1ke is the new Sabeer Bhatia. 
Kidding...he's good, but I don't think that good. I think Veloso/Moutinho are better.
Kidding...he's good, but I don't think that good. I think Veloso/Moutinho are better.
They're different sorts of players, Jack, but those two ARE quite good. I suspect they'll both head to England, however. That's where the Sporting alumni association seems to be these days, with the lone exception of the cugini's Luis Figo. They'll also both probably be fairly expensive. That said, I sure wouldn't complain if Milan were to buy one or both of 'em.
True...
I was thinking of Veloso playing deep, and Moutinho taking over from Zee. As the all round creative player.
I was thinking of Veloso playing deep, and Moutinho taking over from Zee. As the all round creative player.
QUOTE (Astafjevs @ Dec 6 2008, 04:25 PM)
Fernandes is nothing like Seedorf.
how wud u describe him? Don't get me wrong. There's NO WAY i put them in the same class. Zee is a legend and Fernandes a relative nothing..but from what i've seen of fernandes, i think he plays the similar skillful but physical box-to-box type of game that Seedorf plays with a little less polish in attack and more physicality in defense..
anyways, nevermind..
now i feel like a 
i remember while ago there was a rumour that in paloschi deal gallani got first option for cigrini i hope it is true
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 7 2008, 12:17 PM)
True...
I was thinking of Veloso playing deep, and Moutinho taking over from Zee. As the all round creative player.
I was thinking of Veloso playing deep, and Moutinho taking over from Zee. As the all round creative player.
That's what I thought, Veloso is a deep defensive playmaker. Moutinho is more like Deco shall I say.
But IMO if we want to replace Seedorf, we need someone taller and faster, I'm not sure Moutinho will fit the bill.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 7 2008, 04:17 AM)
True...
I was thinking of Veloso playing deep, and Moutinho taking over from Zee. As the all round creative player.
I was thinking of Veloso playing deep, and Moutinho taking over from Zee. As the all round creative player.
That's more or less how they play. However, at Euro 2008 in the summer, Moutinho was used as a deep player, just like Veloso, instead of his usual attacking midfielder role.
Either way, Veloso would be the better option. Then we can recall Gourcuff. That would be the midfield sorted, though in a few years time we'd have to buy another attacking midfielder when Seedorf leaves/retires.
You have a point Asta. But I fear Yoann is going the Gila route. A player who plays best when the team revolves around him in mid-field. It might not happen in Milan. 
gallaini is saying we will buy defender end of season but it is quite clear we need one defender atleast this jan kaladze is i dont want to use the correct word
+1 cookie to cmf for his discretion. Thing is, who could we realistically get in January that'll do us any good? Sure, we could get a defender, but we need a GOOD defender.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 7 2008, 07:37 PM)
+1 cookie to cmf for his discretion. Thing is, who could we realistically get in January that'll do us any good? Sure, we could get a defender, but we need a GOOD defender.
very important point it seems that in jan all the options are average defender which is not what we need but i would prefer liverpool agger
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Ancelotti is now coach of Milan, and Thuram explained that at a friendly between Juventus and Milan he had entered the dressing room. “I wanted to say hello to my friend Gianluca Zambrotta.
“When I went into the dressing room everyone welcomed me warmly. Ancelotti, who I know from a while ago at Parma, immediately suggested that I sign for Milan,” revealed the defender.
Thuram added, “I asked him if he was joking, as I had just said goodbye to football, but he was serious and gave me until August 31 to decide. I even visited Milan's training ground. His efforts touched me a lot, but if I was going to continue, my choice would have been Paris St Germain.”
“When I went into the dressing room everyone welcomed me warmly. Ancelotti, who I know from a while ago at Parma, immediately suggested that I sign for Milan,” revealed the defender.
Thuram added, “I asked him if he was joking, as I had just said goodbye to football, but he was serious and gave me until August 31 to decide. I even visited Milan's training ground. His efforts touched me a lot, but if I was going to continue, my choice would have been Paris St Germain.”
ancelotti has reached a new low in my books.you call this rebuilding?
the guy had to retire because of a heart coniditon, imagine we have reached the point of trying to sign people although unknowingly) with heart problems
Wouldn't make jokes about such conditions. I respect Thuram. Carletto up till now never even tried to drag one of his Parma boys (only Crespo). And Thuram was extra class. Of course, it's a short term solution, but a very good one. I don't consider it a low. Especially if you read carefully and understand that at the time Carletto suggested him to come to Milan the heart condition wasn't discovered yet.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 8 2008, 02:11 AM)
Wouldn't make jokes about such conditions. I respect Thuram. Carletto up till now never even tried to drag one of his Parma boys (only Crespo). And Thuram was extra class. Of course, it's a short term solution, but a very good one. I don't consider it a low. Especially if you read carefully and understand that at the time Carletto suggested him to come to Milan the heart condition wasn't discovered yet.
i know i said that. point is when ur dealing with a 37 year old, you dont know what yur going to get.
thuram was s a class of his own and was very good until his last year with juve + world cup.
i dunno if you saw him with barca or at the euro. he was pure shite.
we are rebuilding (supposedly) you dont do that with 37 year olds, it's just ridiculous. to sing him as well, well it would be embarrassing.
Barca made them all look terrible. Zambro, Thuram...they have a big tendency twoards destroying good/great Serie A CB's and defenders in general. They did it to our guys - Francesco Coco and Michael Reizinger.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 8 2008, 01:22 AM)
Barca made them all look terrible. Zambro, Thuram...they have a big tendency twoards destroying good/great Serie A CB's and defenders in general. They did it to our guys - Francesco Coco and Michael Reizinger.
thats not really a rational explanation .
and coco ruined himself, he was just an idiot.
QUOTE (Habitant @ Dec 7 2008, 06:19 PM)
and coco ruined himself, he was just an idiot.
Coco - body by Fisher, mind by Fisher-Price.
QUOTE (Habitant @ Dec 8 2008, 03:19 AM)
thats not really a rational explanation .
and coco ruined himself, he was just an idiot.
and coco ruined himself, he was just an idiot.
Barcelona mostly isn't rational.
I see where Fillipo is coming from. Cannavaro is starting to get criticised (and is looking quite poor) in Spain, yet when he comes back to play for La Nazionale, he's fine. They don't appreciate good defenders over there.
Nevertheless, Habitant is correct. Rebuilding does not involved signing a 37 year old who was dropped by his national coach mid way through a tournament.
Nevertheless, Habitant is correct. Rebuilding does not involved signing a 37 year old who was dropped by his national coach mid way through a tournament.
Serie A defenders can't succeed in such a fast-paced league. Cannavaro also has been pure shite most of times there. if you watch some Real Madrid games you will understand why they criticize him. it's not that they criticize defenders just for fun.
QUOTE (Astafjevs @ Dec 8 2008, 03:13 PM)
They don't appreciate good defenders over there.
They do not appreciate defense in general. The majority of the games in Spain get so mad and anarchic at some point that I think I'm watching kids play.
To be a good different in Spain you need to be fast, Cannavaro is not anymore and also need think directly. Cannavaro is used to reading the game and stop a move before it happens but Spanish football is not about doing the unexpected, it's about directness and doing the simple thing faster than you can move to stop it so he gets lost in his thoughts...
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 8 2008, 09:02 AM)
Barcelona mostly isn't rational.
true
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il primo rinforzo sarà un grande difensore
[The first reinforcement will be a great defender]
-Adriano Galliani in today's Gazzetta.
Oh please...when Galliani says that it usually means the usual 2-year negotiation will start now... darn..
He's gonna drop every big name, say we approached them and that the price was impossible for Milan.
He's gonna drop every big name, say we approached them and that the price was impossible for Milan.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 9 2008, 11:54 AM)
[The first reinforcement will be a great defender]
-Adriano Galliani in today's Gazzetta.
-Adriano Galliani in today's Gazzetta.
in jan or summer he meant it read it on goal considered them unrelible so is it true and in jan ??
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 9 2008, 11:57 AM)
Oh please...when Galliani says that it usually means the usual 2-year negotiation will start now... darn..
He's gonna drop every big name, say we approached them and that the price was impossible for Milan.
He's gonna drop every big name, say we approached them and that the price was impossible for Milan.
well this may he said that sheva and r80 will play and after that all the rumours were dead aand in hte ned we did sign both of them
Not sure, cmf. That's the whole quote. No names or timetable were mentioned.
It's summer for sure. Galliani has already gone over this. Further news indicates we've dumped the idea of Thiago Silva and are going for Sao Paulo player Joao Miranda.
tribal claims Silva's going to Villareal, since Villareal themselves are selling their current CB-I don't know who. Hardly follow football, outside of the internet news nowadays..
tribal claims Silva's going to Villareal, since Villareal themselves are selling their current CB-I don't know who. Hardly follow football, outside of the internet news nowadays..
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 9 2008, 12:11 PM)
Not sure, cmf. That's the whole quote. No names or timetable were mentioned.
rite rite i hope it is jan but he is talking abt maldini replacement so it could be june he mite have secured a deal i guess no on will ever understand what gallaini is upto
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 9 2008, 11:54 AM)
[The first reinforcement will be a great defender]
-Adriano Galliani in today's Gazzetta.
-Adriano Galliani in today's Gazzetta.
He said the same thing in the summer, "a great defender". We ended up with Phillipe Senderos......
QUOTE (Astafjevs @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM)
He said the same thing in the summer, "a great defender". We ended up with Phillipe Senderos......
i think he always said a gr8 player and that was r80 in the end
The name being mentioned today on calciomercato is Philippe Mexes. No clue as to reliability.
Suggestions for Rino replacements/midfield reinforcements are almost certain to follow in coming days.
Suggestions for Rino replacements/midfield reinforcements are almost certain to follow in coming days.
i don't like mexes..he is easily exposed in the air, and in europe. a good defender for the roma/fiorentina type.
i'm also going to be a little disappointed if thiago silva is our maldini replacement and miranda is our nesta replacement. Are the two best defender prospects in the world really BOTH from Brazil?
and i hope we don't sign a "rino" replacement. we don't need another DM. unless its veloso, who can do more than just the rino role.
i'm also going to be a little disappointed if thiago silva is our maldini replacement and miranda is our nesta replacement. Are the two best defender prospects in the world really BOTH from Brazil?
and i hope we don't sign a "rino" replacement. we don't need another DM. unless its veloso, who can do more than just the rino role.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 9 2008, 04:27 PM)
Oh please...when Galliani says that it usually means the usual 2-year negotiation will start now... darn..
He's gonna drop every big name, say we approached them and that the price was impossible for Milan.
He's gonna drop every big name, say we approached them and that the price was impossible for Milan.
Now you're talking
mexes in jan seems mor elike fantacalcio
QUOTE (vnata001 @ Dec 9 2008, 10:57 PM)
and i hope we don't sign a "rino" replacement. we don't need another DM. unless its veloso, who can do more than just the rino role.
I second that. we don't need another DM (though considering Carlo's immortal love for DMs, I can see at least one coming in January
). We need a creative midfielder because apart from Pirlo and to some extent Seedorf, there's no one else on this team. and that is not enough for Milan. we have 4 DMs but just 2 creative midfielders.
QUOTE (vnata001 @ Dec 9 2008, 01:27 PM)
and i hope we don't sign a "rino" replacement. we don't need another DM. unless its veloso, who can do more than just the rino role.
For what it's worth, Veloso's being linked to Fiorentina today in the Italian media. He's also not starting the Sporting CL game (though Moutinho is).
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Dec 9 2008, 01:06 PM)
i think he always said a gr8 player and that was r80 in the endNo that's not all he said. After we realised a defender was needed, he said that Milan would onyl be acquiring a "great defender" who is a first-team player at another club.
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