whoarethepatriots
Dec 9 2008, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (vnata001 @ Dec 9 2008, 06:27 PM)

i don't like mexes..he is easily exposed in the air, and in europe. a good defender for the roma/fiorentina type.
i'm also going to be a little disappointed if thiago silva is our maldini replacement and miranda is our nesta replacement. Are the two best defender prospects in the world really BOTH from Brazil?
and i hope we don't sign a "rino" replacement. we don't need another DM. unless its veloso, who can do more than just the rino role.
We certainly need a new CM. Emo can no longer play at the highest level and cannot be relied on for the rest of the season if we actually want to win something
Tennie
Dec 10 2008, 12:09 AM
The early speculation on a new central midfielder is suggesting (former Milan primavera) Fiorentina's Marco Donadel as a possible acquisition.
Fillipo Simone
Dec 10 2008, 12:15 AM
Donadel? Hmh. Quite versible. Not bad.
whoarethepatriots
Dec 10 2008, 02:09 AM
Indeed, he is a definite upgrade over Emo. I hope to see him back. Its funny how we bring back our Primavera players once they are in the mid twenties
Astafjevs
Dec 10 2008, 02:39 AM
Funny? I'd say it's worrying that we're unable to develop the youth ourselves.
Tennie
Dec 10 2008, 04:53 AM
If we're going to raid Fiorentina's midfield for a CM, I think I'd prefer to grab Kuzmanovic rather than Donadel. By the way, there's been a lot of speculation about departures from Fiorentina recently. Most of it has to do with Pazzini, however.
Tennie
Dec 10 2008, 12:38 PM
There are reports that the Zebras are also after William Gallas. I'd let them have him.
Astafjevs
Dec 10 2008, 12:40 PM
Are you talking about Juventus or Udinese?
Tennie
Dec 10 2008, 12:47 PM
Oops, sorry. In this context, Zebras = Juve. I'd still let them have Gallas.
acid911
Dec 10 2008, 01:16 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 10 2008, 04:47 PM)

Oops, sorry. In this context, Zebras = Juve. I'd still let them have Gallas.
So would I.

And to think that French people usually do well at Juventus. Go there!
Astafjevs
Dec 10 2008, 02:21 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 10 2008, 11:47 AM)

Oops, sorry. In this context, Zebras = Juve. I'd still let them have Gallas.
Ah OK. I'd let them have him too. There are defenders who are just as good, but younger, available.
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 10 2008, 06:06 PM
it seems we will get a defender is jan according to the interview of gallaini on goal agger is in the 4-5 man list
kurtsimonw
Dec 10 2008, 06:48 PM
I'm not sure with Agger to be honest, he was good a few years ago and his potential semed great. Last season he was either injured or rubbish and the same has happened this season. It's been about 2 years since he did anything.
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 10 2008, 06:54 PM
SMENTITA A.C. MILAN
10/12/2008
MILANO - In merito a presunte frasi di Adriano Galliani rilasciate a organi di stampa danesi e riportate da diverse agenzie italiane, lo stesso Amministratore Delegato rossonero smentisce di aver mai rilasciato alcuna dichiarazione.
so acmilan.com have deneid that gallaini ever gave this kind a inteview
vnata001
Dec 10 2008, 06:57 PM
Lyon's JEAN II MAKOUN has been linked. again, pure speculation, but damn that would be so great. 25 year old beast DM. i guess i wouldn't be opposed to making a midfield signing IF we sign a player of this quality..
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 10 2008, 07:00 PM
QUOTE (vnata001 @ Dec 10 2008, 05:57 PM)

Lyon's JEAN II MAKOUN has been linked. again, pure speculation, but damn that would be so great. 25 year old beast DM. i guess i wouldn't be opposed to making a midfield signing IF we sign a player of this quality..
wht is the source for this but anyway getting lyon players means ridiculous money whihc we wont spend in jan atleast
vnata001
Dec 10 2008, 07:05 PM
transfermarketweb.com is where i got it. i think the site in italian is called calciomercato.
yesterday i saw it reported on that site that we have apparently figured out a plan to buy thiago silva, loan him to fiorentina until summer, and then he would join us in summer. and then today it says that villareal has overtaken our bid for him..
and us buying a lyon player is a stretch..i agree with you. the article also says that if its not makoun then alou diarra is also on the list, since we have relations with bordeaux..and this i would just be absolutely opposed to..
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 10 2008, 07:19 PM
QUOTE (vnata001 @ Dec 10 2008, 06:05 PM)

transfermarketweb.com is where i got it. i think the site in italian is called calciomercato.
yesterday i saw it reported on that site that we have apparently figured out a plan to buy thiago silva, loan him to fiorentina until summer, and then he would join us in summer. and then today it says that villareal has overtaken our bid for him..
and us buying a lyon player is a stretch..i agree with you. the article also says that if its not makoun then alou diarra is also on the list, since we have relations with bordeaux..and this i would just be absolutely opposed to..
tuttomercatoweb is the source calciomercato is another one again transfermarketweb gather from different sources it is quite rare that they have those exclusive news
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 10 2008, 07:36 PM
and BTW becks is coming in midfield anyway
Tennie
Dec 10 2008, 07:58 PM
You think he's actually going to play then, CMF?
vnata001
Dec 10 2008, 08:26 PM
i think becks will play. All the signs coming out of our camp is that we want him to extend him stay with us beyond this term.
i think he can be of service too. hes a player that i think really cud make the christmas tree with ka-pa-ro work. the biggest problem that we have with the christmas tree is how narrow we're forced to play. even though becks can't run and be the high energy mid that he used to be..he's still very smart, and can thread the needle just as well as pirlo can. pirlo and becks picking the ball up and stretching play from all angles, and playing our pacy attackers like kaka and pato into space sounds like a nice proposition.
Our midfield has gone from having no depth to being over crowded..
vnata001
Dec 10 2008, 08:26 PM

. why do i keep DP'ing!
Tennie
Dec 10 2008, 08:32 PM
Maybe I'm on crack, but I don't see David Beckham impacting much more than jersey sales while he's at Milan. He's dedicated to playing for his country and I respect him for that, but skill-wise, he doesn't bring anything more to the table than current players already have. It isn't like Milan has nobody who can deal with dead ball situations. I really don't want to see him taking the pitch for Milan - no matter what Galliani or anyone else says, I'm not in any way in favor of this move - and I for one hope he returns to lala land at the earliest possible convenience.
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 10 2008, 08:33 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 10 2008, 06:58 PM)

You think he's actually going to play then, CMF?
well i think flamini should be used to replace rino and beckham can be used instead of puma
Zed.D
Dec 10 2008, 11:52 PM
Tennie
Dec 11 2008, 12:01 AM
Looking to see if there's confirmation somewhere else in the Italian press. Nothing to see as of midnight Italian time. If true, nice that it's a defender. We're going to have to learn Portuguese if they sign any more Brazilians though. I don't hate Brazil or its citizens - I just want Milan to have a strong Italian core and worry a lot that it's being lost.
Anyone know if this guy has an EU passport?
Rossoneri7
Dec 11 2008, 12:03 AM
great news .. Not sure if its official, but its definitely great news getting a defender, considering Nesta might not return to his best.
Tennie
Dec 11 2008, 12:13 AM
Ah. Mediaset is now reporting that it's a Brazilian source (SporTV) reporting that he's close to signing the contract. The Mediaset article indicates that he'll be left at Flu on loan til the end of June because Milan can't take another non-EU player.
MizNelson
Dec 11 2008, 12:25 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 10 2008, 11:32 AM)

Maybe I'm on crack, but I don't see David Beckham impacting much more than jersey sales while he's at Milan. He's dedicated to playing for his country and I respect him for that, but skill-wise, he doesn't bring anything more to the table than current players already have. I really don't want to see him taking the pitch for Milan - no matter what Galliani or anyone else says, I'm not in any way in favor of this move - and I for one hope he returns to lala land at the earliest possible convenience.
I must be sharing the same crack pipe because I'm in agreement that the only improvement David "Big Teams Only" Beckham will bring to the team will be cosmetic. All those cloying "I chose Milan" stories were gag-worthy.
whoarethepatriots
Dec 11 2008, 12:50 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 10 2008, 11:01 PM)

Looking to see if there's confirmation somewhere else in the Italian press. Nothing to see as of midnight Italian time. If true, nice that it's a defender. We're going to have to learn Portuguese if they sign any more Brazilians though. I don't hate Brazil or its citizens - I just want Milan to have a strong Italian core and worry a lot that it's being lost.
Anyone know if this guy has an EU passport?
I agree, if the board had the choice to sign the next Franco Baresi, or a Brazilian player, they would go Brazilian nine times out of 10. What happened to giving Darmian or Albertazzi a shot? The board have a huge fetish with Brazilians and its getting out hand. We will get mocked endlessly for being like Inter only with Brazilians instead of Argies. He will be a good replacement for Kaladze, but is unacceptable as a Nesta or Maldini replacement
dst
Dec 11 2008, 01:39 AM
What's the problem with the guy being a Brazilian? I too would prefer an Italian defender but since that's not the case what does it matter if he's from Brazil? And yes, our management do love them samba dancers, what's the problem with that? I don't think we've bought a Brazilian just because he is a Brazilian, all of them have been excellent players apart from Emerson, who is not good enough to play for Milan anymore but he was requested by Ancelotti.
Anyway... there's no one out there at the level of Maldini and Nesta so I doubt Silva is even if I have never seen him play. A level above you-know-who would be enough cause all that idiot's missing is a brain, he's got the skills... so I hope this Silva guy has a brain!
vnata001
Dec 11 2008, 04:06 AM
QUOTE
By this time Thiago Silva, formerly a right winger who also had spells in midfield and at full-back, had been converted into a centre-back. And he was good enough to attract the attention of European clubs. But spells with Porto and Dynamo Moscow were blighted by injuries and illness, and he returned to Brazil to rebuild his career with the club he supported in his youth.
His Fluminense coach, his boyhood hero Renato Gaucho, has described Thiago Silva as one of the very best centre-backs in Brazil. Although the coach calls him "a monster" Thiago Silva is no bully, but rather known for his reading of the game, good covering and timing and more than adequate speed.
wikipedia...
MizNelson
Dec 11 2008, 05:01 AM
QUOTE (wiki)
His Fluminense coach, his boyhood hero Renato Gaucho, has described Thiago Silva as one of the very best centre-backs in Brazil. Although the coach calls him "a monster" Thiago Silva is no bully, but rather known for his reading of the game, good covering and timing and more than adequate speed.
Biased material that I just removed from the article.
Zed.D
Dec 11 2008, 10:01 AM
QUOTE (dst @ Dec 11 2008, 04:09 AM)

What's the problem with the guy being a Brazilian? I too would prefer an Italian defender but since that's not the case what does it matter if he's from Brazil? And yes, our management do love them samba dancers, what's the problem with that? I don't think we've bought a Brazilian just because he is a Brazilian, all of them have been excellent players apart from Emerson, who is not good enough to play for Milan anymore but he was requested by Ancelotti.
Anyway... there's no one out there at the level of Maldini and Nesta so I doubt Silva is even if I have never seen him play. A level above you-know-who would be enough cause all that idiot's missing is a brain, he's got the skills... so I hope this Silva guy has a brain!
Finally someone who does not have this thing for Brazilians
+1
Tennie, I like Brazilians but believe me, I hate Milan to have too many of them too! but I don't know how having someone like Emerson [who adds nothing particular to this team] is alright but a young and highly rated
defender not

if there's one Brazilian we need to get rid of, it's Emerson, not Thiago (I would have added Dida to that too if it was 2007... but he's clearly improving and it's not fair to say he doesn't deserve to be in Milan anymore).
I haven't seen Thiago but from what I've heard I think he'd be an improvement over Kaladze, Senderos, Favalli and even an always-injured-Nesta [
OBVIOUSLY not over a not-injured-Nesta]
Just my humble two cents!

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Dec 11 2008, 03:20 AM)

We will get mocked endlessly for being like Inter only with Brazilians instead of Argies.
Are you talking about the pre-Calciopoli Inter? because right now Inter have as many Brazilians as Milan
Zed.D
Dec 11 2008, 10:23 AM
QUOTE
DENIAL A.C. MILAN
12/10/2008
MILAN - Concerning certain phrases supposedly said by Adriano Galliani made to Danish press and reported by several Italian agencies, the Delegate Administrator himself denies to have made these declarations.
I don't think he said anything about Thiago in that interview. so...
(WHERE ARE YOU PORTY?)
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 11 2008, 11:07 AM
the above denials were for agger i am certain abt tht and the thing abt silva if we sign him the best thing is that inter wanted him and if we get him it is even more satisfying
Tennie
Dec 11 2008, 12:34 PM
Er. Just checking here, this is the same guy who tanked at Porto, right?
And I'd still rather see an Italian in the position. Too many Brazilians, even the good ones.
Habitant
Dec 11 2008, 03:21 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 11 2008, 12:34 PM)

Er. Just checking here, this is the same guy who tanked at Porto, right?
And I'd still rather see an Italian in the position. Too many Brazilians, even the good ones.
i wouldnt be too worried, we're bound to sign some italians since we'll only have one more non-eu spot for the next 1 1/2 years.
right now as much as i'd lke to see us sign some italians i'm just desperate for some more young talent.
Jack Sparrow
Dec 11 2008, 05:08 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Dec 11 2008, 05:20 AM)

I agree, if the board had the choice to sign the next Franco Baresi, or a Brazilian player, they would go Brazilian nine times out of 10. What happened to giving Darmian or Albertazzi a shot? The board have a huge fetish with Brazilians and its getting out hand. We will get mocked endlessly for being like Inter only with Brazilians instead of Argies. He will be a good replacement for Kaladze, but is unacceptable as a Nesta or Maldini replacement
Coz the next Baresi would cost mucho Dinero compared to Thiago Silva. It's the thing with European players. Just recollect, how much we got Pato for and how much Rooney was purchased from Everton. It's not about losing identity. It's about business sense.
That being said, I still want our team to put out at least 6 italian players every time, which sadly doesn't seem to be happening.
kurtsimonw
Dec 11 2008, 05:56 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 11 2008, 04:08 PM)

That being said, I still want our team to put out at least 6 italian players every time, which sadly doesn't seem to be happening.
Agreed. I don't just want us to play 6 Italian players every game, I think it should be a rule that we have to. It would force teams to make sure they work on bringing their own players through, and I'm sure we'd see alot less of other teams just snatching promising youngsters from other clubs.
LaPalma
Dec 11 2008, 06:23 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 11 2008, 05:08 PM)

Coz the next Baresi would cost mucho Dinero compared to Thiago Silva. It's the thing with European players. Just recollect, how much we got Pato for and how much Rooney was purchased from Everton. It's not about losing identity. It's about business sense.
That being said, I still want our team to put out at least 6 italian players every time, which sadly doesn't seem to be happening.
That's a tricky comparison Jack. Rooney was the star of the Euro 2004 when he was for sale. And he was also a proven player in one the major European leagues. No offense! The brazilian Serie A is a fine league but it can't be compared to the big four in Europe. Pato was practically no one we we bought him. Plus the 20 million we payed for Pato aren't are bargain either.
And you shouldn't forget all the other Brazilian youngsters who came to Europe for crazy fees. Robinho, Ronaldo or Anderson when he came from Porto to ManU.
kurtsimonw
Dec 11 2008, 06:46 PM
I agree with LaPalma, Pato hadn't made that many appearances when we bought him, while Rooney had 2 and a half seasons in the Everton first team and Euro2004 on his CV. I'm sure had Pato starred in a Copa America and had a few seasons in Brazil he'd have cost alot more.
More of 'Gallas to Milan or Juve' today I've seen on Sky Sports when they were doing their 'papers' section. I hope he goes to Juve.
Astafjevs
Dec 11 2008, 06:50 PM
Not convinced about Thiago Silva. I'd rather have a defender who has been in that position all his career, not a converted right-winger.
Not happy with Brazilian defenders either.
Jack Sparrow
Dec 11 2008, 06:51 PM
Well Pato did do excellently in the Club World Cup, when Internacional beat Barca I think. That was when the Pato legend truly began.
Man U was a bad comparison though. They always overpay for their players. Just look at the crazy money paid for Tevez. And now they sit him on the bench...

Perhaps the correct way to put it would be that, established European players are always more expensive than the relatively unknown Brazillian counterparts. But then again, I also feel that a young European player would cost more than a young South American.
Coz while a club like say Napoli could say no to 10 million Euros for a young defender, I doubt if a club in Brazil like say Fluminense could...
kurtsimonw
Dec 11 2008, 06:57 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 11 2008, 05:51 PM)

Man U was a bad comparison though. They always overpay for their players. Just look at the crazy money paid for Tevez. And now they sit him on the bench...

United haven't paid a penny for Tevez, he's on a two year loan.

Or in other words, here's their in a completely illegal way as he's owned by a 3rd party. But that's allowed if you're United.
Habitant
Dec 11 2008, 07:05 PM
as for a gattuso signing. i'd really like to see us sign daniele dessena, i really like what i've seen from him. i see him as a long term successor to gattuso.
Jack Sparrow
Dec 11 2008, 07:27 PM
I heard he's been warm and cold for Doria. Is he really that good?
Habitant
Dec 11 2008, 07:29 PM
well he isnt the type to run a midfield by himself right now. but he remids me a lot of de rossi when he was younger.
Fillipo Simone
Dec 11 2008, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 11 2008, 05:56 PM)

Agreed. I don't just want us to play 6 Italian players every game, I think it should be a rule that we have to. It would force teams to make sure they work on bringing their own players through, and I'm sure we'd see alot less of other teams just snatching promising youngsters from other clubs.
I totally agree. This is just getting worse and worse.
Habitant
Dec 11 2008, 07:39 PM
all i know is dessenas current play is much better than emo's, and he was sold for 4m E to samp...
we could have easily snatched him for a similar fee and his wages arent as high as emerson's.
another instance when we could have picked up local talent and for cheap.
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