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milano84
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 4 2008, 12:42 PM) *
I'm pretty sure it applies for players in Italy too...



i can say almost 100% positive it doesnt.....
Giancarlo
QUOTE (milano84 @ Sep 4 2008, 08:43 PM) *
i can say almost 100% positive it doesnt.....


Proof?

And why did you wait all these days until I posted? Hm.
Tennie
I think Amauri has an Italian passport now.

(And please guys: NO MORE BICKERING. If you want to snark at each other, do it in PMs.)
Zed.D
QUOTE (vnata001 @ Sep 4 2008, 08:58 PM) *
thiiiiaagggooo sillvaaa. the fact that dunga DIDN'T play him should alert us all to how good he probably is..lol


Good one! laugh.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 4 2008, 08:46 PM) *
I think Amauri has an Italian passport now.

(And please guys: NO MORE BICKERING. If you want to snark at each other, do it in PMs.)

Snark? I must be easily amused or something, that word made me smile. unsure.gif
Bluesummers
To make the record straight. The non eu rule applies anywhere in the world. If you dont have a eu passport or eu heritage in your immediate family then you are not considered eu. Doesn't matter if you moved or not. Adebayor could not be transfered right now if we tried.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 4 2008, 11:59 PM) *
To make the record straight. The non eu rule applies anywhere in the world. If you dont have a eu passport or eu heritage in your immediate family then you are not considered eu. Doesn't matter if you moved or not. Adebayor could not be transfered right now if we tried.


Actually you can apply for the status. It can be further than immediate family. It can be distant relatives. This is often the case in Argentina.
Tennie
Yes, and a number of Argentine players are under invesitgation for fraudulently getting EU passports. It'll be interesting to see how that one shakes out.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 4 2008, 07:06 PM) *
Actually you can apply for the status. It can be further than immediate family. It can be distant relatives. This is often the case in Argentina.


well yeah but in most cases its often rejected. As tennie said there is a huge scandal issues going on with fake Eu and fake age claims and etc. I was just talking the guaranteed case.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 5 2008, 01:10 AM) *
Yes, and a number of Argentine players are under invesitgation for fraudulently getting EU passports. It'll be interesting to see how that one shakes out.


Yeah I know about that. Lazio in particular could be implicated with that. I don't remember if it was Carrizo who was in question...

But still. It's possible. And you can prove it... I'm sure they are cracking down on loopholes and fake passports.

Heh, maybe Milan should sign me. I got EU status (Spanish EU passport)... I play as a defensive midfielder lol... Milan could use one more...
Jack Sparrow
^^

Then the whole point of unloading Brocchi would be lost. tongue.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 4 2008, 07:33 PM) *
Yeah I know about that. Lazio in particular could be implicated with that. I don't remember if it was Carrizo who was in question...

But still. It's possible. And you can prove it... I'm sure they are cracking down on loopholes and fake passports.

Heh, maybe Milan should sign me. I got EU status (Spanish EU passport)... I play as a defensive midfielder lol... Milan could use one more...


please no more dm. we just got rid of brocchi lets keep trend up.
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 5 2008, 01:39 AM) *
Snark? I must be easily amused or something, that word made me smile.

No, maybe you have really low standards when it comes to funny stuff? tongue.gif I do too. I smile at anything half worth smiling about. Good for health, I heard.
morgoth
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 4 2008, 05:15 PM) *
(The fish doll suggests Santacroce.)


Could be a good addition but Napoli will never sell him to us!
amancik
Maggio and Gamberini.
whoarethepatriots
QUOTE (morgoth @ Sep 5 2008, 10:57 AM) *
Could be a god addition but Napoli will never sell him to us!


God? Maldini style tongue.gif

Napoli will be pretty reluctant to sell him to us. I get the feeling he may be injury prone like Nesta, but i better wait a few years before a concrete conclusion

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 6 2008, 11:03 AM) *
Maggio and Santacroce


Fixed
jefri91
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 5 2008, 01:33 AM) *
Yeah I know about that. Lazio in particular could be implicated with that. I don't remember if it was Carrizo who was in question...

But still. It's possible. And you can prove it... I'm sure they are cracking down on loopholes and fake passports.

Heh, maybe Milan should sign me. I got EU status (Spanish EU passport)... I play as a defensive midfielder lol... Milan could use one more...

When you're talking to Galliani tell him I can play in Kaka's place cool.gif .... dry.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 2 2008, 03:24 AM) *
the window will open and close and the situation will remain the same.


I think the chances of a new player in January are very slim but never say never because our situation in defense is very tricky and a CB might come. remember how you used to say Milan would never reinforce with more than two or three players, that's not Milan's philosophy to suddenly change the face of the team, etc.? 11 new players came in and 5 left. wink.gif
Rossoneri7
The face of Milan didn't change this summer, Milan just got more depth.

And before the end of last season I stated that Cesear Maldini said Milan was in touch with 5 players at the time ... I don't need to guess, the man himself said it even before the summer.

Now you want to go run rings till Jan, go ahead.
morgoth
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Sep 6 2008, 05:41 PM) *
God? Maldini style tongue.gif




Fixed tongue.gif
Tennie
The fish doll gives R7 a cookie. It's been a while. smile.gif (He wants to know where his harem girl is, though!)
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 7 2008, 06:25 PM) *
The face of Milan didn't change this summer, Milan just got more depth.

And before the end of last season I stated that Cesear Maldini said Milan was in touch with 5 players at the time ... I don't need to guess, the man himself said it even before the summer.

Now you want to go run rings till Jan, go ahead.


I still think you were being too sure here - like it's a fact:

QUOTE
the window will open and close and the situation will remain the same.


The face of Milan didn't change? Zambrotta, Ronaldinho, Flamini, Abbiati are all new members of the starting XI (and most probably either Sheva or Borriello will be a regular starter too). Milan's XI has changed a lot and it is a fact.
acid911
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 7 2008, 07:00 PM) *
(He wants to know where his harem girl is, though!)

I'd ask Jack Sparrow, if I were you. tongue.gif
Giancarlo
Actually we did completely change in many areas. Especially midfield and attack (and attacking midfield too). We can field teams that look nothing like what we fielded before. Our defense is not as changed as the other two areas of the field... however, we did add two defenders... Senderos (lets hope the best for him) and Zambrotta... to say the face of the team didn't change... I can't agree with that.

Now if acquire what... 11 players our face didn't change? Also 5 players left. Including Simic, Oddo and Brocchi. Oh man... Brocchi leaving... that certainly does change the face of the midfield. wink.gif
acid911
A lot depends on the definition of 'face. smile.gif If you mean face in literal term, then that's still the same. Our face is Kaka, and has been for some years now. If you mean face as in team outlook, then yes, we've got some new blood flown in, and things have changed a tad in all departments, to be honest.

But face as in most valuable player, that is still Kaka. Just like inter's Ibra. Barca's Messi. cool.gif Manchester's Diver.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 7 2008, 03:41 PM) *
A lot depends on the definition of 'face. smile.gif If you mean face in literal term, then that's still the same. Our face is Kaka, and has been for some years now. If you mean face as in team outlook, then yes, we've got some new blood flown in, and things have changed a tad in all departments, to be honest.

But face as in most valuable player, that is still Kaka. Just like inter's Ibra. Barca's Messi. cool.gif Manchester's Diver.


Well I think we have different definitions. Of course, our core players are still there (Kaka and when you go back to the defense, everyone's favorite Kaladze)...

I feel we could field a viable team even with Kaka not playing (lets just say with Ronaldinho and Seedorf as playmakers)... which is important to him because it will reduce the pressure on him... and there will be more players that the opposing team has to mark. Kaka was the victim of a lot of harsh tackles last season...

Last season when Kaka wasn't there, we were lacking something. Despite the loss to Bologna, our attack was quite vibrant as was our depth.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Sep 7 2008, 05:24 PM) *
I still think you were being too sure here - like it's a fact:



The face of Milan didn't change? Zambrotta, Ronaldinho, Flamini, Abbiati are all new members of the starting XI (and most probably either Sheva or Borriello will be a regular starter too). Milan's XI has changed a lot and it is a fact.


Aha .. Thank you for clarifying that, as I was clearly unaware of the players that we had wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 7 2008, 02:55 PM) *
And before the end of last season I stated that Cesear Maldini said Milan was in touch with 5 players at the time ... I don't need to guess, the man himself said it even before the summer.

I remember you saying that a few times actually. It seems you were right. smile.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 7 2008, 09:37 PM) *
Aha .. Thank you for clarifying that, as I was clearly unaware of the players that we had wink.gif


Yeah, shelter under this colorless sarcasm. you don't have anything better to say.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 7 2008, 10:08 PM) *
I remember you saying that a few times actually. It seems you were right. smile.gif


That 5 new players actually happened to be 11 new players wink.gif that comes from someone who claims the face of Milan hasn't changed after this summer (despite the injection of 4-5 new XI players rolleyes.gif)
Habitant
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Sep 7 2008, 06:07 PM) *
Yeah, shelter under this colorless sarcasm. you don't have anything better to say.



That 5 new players actually happened to be 11 new players wink.gif that comes from someone who claims the face of Milan hasn't changed after this summer (despite the injection of 4-5 new XI players rolleyes.gif)

oh snap! graduated.gif
CrazyMilanFan
Mlan have just acquired Senderos, in order to reinforce the defense, and could be that are thinking also to Kulusic for next future. Zvonimir Boban for this reason yesterday was in Vartek stadium, in order to watch the competition among Croatia-Italy Under21, in which Kulusic played.


from TMW
sakhratul
milan still need to get a new defender.. our defence is really fragile at the moment.. we event lost to lugano yesterday..
Soldier
I'm Glad To See We Are Getting Good Young Talent, But I'd like To See a Young Experienced Cb..
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Soldier @ Sep 11 2008, 07:34 PM) *
I'm Glad To See We Are Getting Good Young Talent, But I'd like To See a Young Experienced Cb..

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Giancarlo
QUOTE (Soldier @ Sep 11 2008, 06:34 PM) *
I'm Glad To See We Are Getting Good Young Talent, But I'd like To See a Young Experienced Cb..


Young and experienced? I dunno about that.

Though Thiago Silva would be good... he has a bit of a blend of both. He has over 130 games with Fluminense...
Tennie
I'd rather see an Italian.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 11 2008, 07:46 PM) *
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Young and experienced would be somebody who's been played since they were 18 or something, and are now 24. That's 6 years of experience, plus they still have a good 10 years to go.
Darunia
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 11 2008, 02:04 PM) *
I'd rather see an Italian.


So would I... but the lack of good young Italian CBs is a problem (like Lippi pointed out). Sadly, Chiellini isn't leaving Juve anytime soon. I would like a Serie A ready defender, like Zapata. But we don't alway get what we want.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 11 2008, 08:15 PM) *
Young and experienced would be somebody who's been played since they were 18 or something, and are now 24. That's 6 years of experience, plus they still have a good 10 years to go.

sergio ramos innocent.gif
Giancarlo
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 11 2008, 09:18 PM) *
sergio ramos innocent.gif


No thanks.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 11 2008, 11:17 PM) *
No thanks.

yea whatever we cant get him anyway dry.gif
Giancarlo
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 12 2008, 04:22 AM) *
yea whatever we cant get him anyway dry.gif


No it's not that. I want someone who is good at the back. He doesn't fit the bill.
Zed.D
^^

Who does?
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 12 2008, 05:10 AM) *
No it's not that. I want someone who is good at the back. He doesn't fit the bill.

ramos is not gud ohmy.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 12 2008, 12:00 PM) *
ramos is not gud ohmy.gif


Ever since he moved to Madrid I have seen a lot of potential in him, and today I consider him the second best defender in Spain, right after Puyol. It would be a dream for me if he came to Milan, but I know Madrid and I know they would never hand over such a quality player to their top European rival.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 12 2008, 09:00 AM) *
ramos is not gud ohmy.gif


No frankly, I think there are better defenders than that. He's overrated. Cristian Zapata, Giorgio Chiellini... are examples of better defenders...

Just because he's good in Spain does not mean he'll cut it Italy.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 12 2008, 06:29 PM) *
Just because he's good in Spain does not mean he'll cut it Italy.

There's also nothing to say he won't be just as good, or even better, in Italy.
whoarethepatriots
Ramos is miles better than Zapata, and is at a similar level to Chiellini. Have you even seen Ramos play?
Tennie
Ramos is quite good, but I see a bit of a Kaladze in him from time to time. Plus he has Real cooties and while that's a good thing for some people for me it's...not. biggrin.gif
Giancarlo
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Sep 12 2008, 06:17 PM) *
Ramos is miles better than Zapata, and is at a similar level to Chiellini. Have you even seen Ramos play?


No he's not. Not even close. Chiellini can actually defend. Ramos has been known to be a player to go forward, but he makes more mistakes defensively than you can imagine.

He's not even close to Zapata. And Chiellini is way better than him.
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