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dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 12 2007, 11:16 PM)
That is why I said they have a voice much bigger than the smaller clubs. They are a legitimate organization and I agree, but they are playing in a UEFA competition under FIFA rules. That is all I am saying ...
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No they're not! tongue.gif Just kidding... I'm trying to say that the G-14 can survive without UEFA... it's UEFA that would have problems surviving without them! Thus, UEFA fear that if they pull the driving rein too much, the horse might kick them down... The G-14 do not want a competition of their own but if they had to do it, they would do it!

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 12 2007, 11:16 PM)
I think the G14 huff and puff, but under all the hype, they need UEFA much more than UEFA needs them. The G14 help each other and all that, and they get their way with UEFA in certain instances ... But UEFA don't need the G14 permission if they plan to implement anything.
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Do not think of the G-14 as a number of strong clubs only. Football is money and everyone who earns from football wants the big teams in! Sponsors, TV broadcasters they ALL want the G-14 to be strong! And they are backing them up...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Sep 13 2007, 01:12 AM)
Do not think of the G-14 as a number of strong clubs only. Football is money and everyone who earns from football wants the big teams in! Sponsors, TV broadcasters they ALL want the G-14 to be strong! And they are backing them up...
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This right here ... sh1t I think I am gonna quote u one day !!! The G14 are not just a bunch of football clubs, but the back bone of the financial footballing world king.gif And that is the weapon which they have. king.gif king.gif

But regulation is under UEFA as a whole ... And as I agreed before that UEFA would let the G14 get their way in certain instances (which could be attributed to financial gains..), they wouldn't necessarily need the backing of the G14 for anything.

Out of the article that Porty posted only Liverpool and United were the protesters. I don't think this has any bearing to bring in the whole G14 anyways, but rather they want to look after their own interests .. Keeping that 4th place open for anyone of them biggrin.gif


p.s. I hate politics and the whole issue revolves around politics. But again I do thank u for bringing up the issue about the $$ as it is VERY significant to European football today, especially where the G14 stand wink.gif
Portman
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PARRY CONFIRMS CUP PLAN OPPOSITION
Jimmy Rice 12 September 2007



Rick Parry has confirmed the club's opposition to plans for FA Cup winners to get a Champions League spot.
UEFA president Michel Platini is behind the proposal, which would see only the top three from the Barclays Premier League enter Europe's premier competition.

Parry said: "Contrary to the claim only Liverpool and Manchester United oppose this in England, all the Premier League clubs at the UEFA meeting did so, and this position is supported by the Premier League itself.

"It's not a question of self-interest by the big clubs, because if you look at the recent FA Cup winners, all were in the top four. It's just more of a lottery in the cup.

"There's a strong feeling the Champions League place should be based on Premier League performance.

"Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Newcastle all feel the same way."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...070912-1348.htm


kurt what's up with Rick Parry and his stupid ties?



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Seriously. rolleyes.gif
dst
Of course the Premier League don't want that to happen...

And the tie in the second picture... it seems like he found that on a potato chips bag or something! rolleyes.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Porty @ Sep 13 2007, 02:29 AM)
kurt what's up with Rick Parry and his stupid ties?

laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Seriously.  rolleyes.gif
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They really do make you wish you had no eyes sometimes. rolleyes.gif
Rossoneri7
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G14 Oppose Platini's Planned Champions League Changes


G14 - Europe's most powerful clubs - will not back Uefa president Michel Platini's plan to give domestic cup winners a Champions League place.


The elite G14 group of Europe's top clubs, who this week announced plans to expand membership by the end of the year, possibly to as many as 40 or 50 clubs, have made it clear they will not support Michel Platini's to change the criteria for entry into the Champions League.

Uefa president wants to allocate a Champions League place to domestic cup winners.

But G14's general manager Thomas Kurth said: "We're opposed to giving cup winners a place in the Champions League.

"We're very concerned about the quality of the competition and the damage this could cause," he added.

Platini's proposals, which could begin in 2009, would mean that in England, for example, the Premier League's top three and the FA Cup winners would qualif for the Champions League.

His proposals would give 16 cup winners a separate qualifying route into Uefa's premier club competition, and an allocation of four automatic places in the lucrative group stages.

The proposed changes were discussed by Uefa's Professional Football Strategy Council last month, but after some opposition from the European Professional Football Leagues (EPFL), Platini deferred the final vote by Uefa's executive by one month.

The EPFL, which represents leagues such as the English Premier League, Spain's Primera Liga and Italy's Serie A, was given until the end of October to come up with alternative proposals.

Football Association chief executive Brian Barwick has described Platini's plan as a "perfectly reasonable suggestion."


Goal.com


And so it begins
Locke Lamora
Go G14!!!
Tennie
Hrm. I've got Sky Sports News (on the Fox Soccer Channel) on while I'm making dinner. Chelsea must either be very unlucky with injuries or very confident that they can easily beat Rosenborg. A number of the regular starters won't be playing (Drogba, Lampard, Carvalho, etc etc etc).
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 18 2007, 02:45 AM)
(Drogba, Lampard, Carvalho, etc etc etc).
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I think they are injured unsure.gif
misha
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 18 2007, 01:48 AM)
I think they are injured unsure.gif
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Yep
kurtsimonw
Half-time scores.

Champions League - Group A
HT FC Porto 1 - 1 Liverpool
8' [1 - 0] L. González (pen.)
17' [1 - 1] D. Kuyt

HT Marseille 0 - 0 Besiktas


Champions League - Group B
HT Chelsea 0 - 1 Rosenborg
24' [0 - 1] M. Koppinen

HT Schalke 0 - 0 Valencia


Champions League - Group C
HT Olympiakos Piraeus 0 - 0 Lazio

HT Real Madrid 1 - 1 Werder Bremen
16' [1 - 0] Raul
17' [1 - 1] B. Sanogo


Champions League - Group D
HT AC Milan 2 - 0 Benfica
9' [1 - 0] A. Pirlo
23' [2 - 0] F. Inzaghi

HT Shakhtar Donetsk 2 - 0 Celtic
6' [1 - 0] Brandao
8' [2 - 0] C. Lucarelli
Milan Are Brilliant
Sheva equaliser looked the second best Chelsea player on the park... no doubt he will still get a hurrendous review from the English media rolleyes.gif

Still poor result from Chelsea, they really can't win without Lampard.
misha
FC Porto 1-1 Liverpool
Marseille 2-0 Besiktas

Chelsea 1-1 Rosenborg
Schalke 04 0-1 Valencia

Real Madrid 2-1 Werder Bremen
Olympiakos 1-1 Lazio

AC Milan 2-1 Benfica
Shakhtar Donetsk 2-0 Celtic devil.gif
misha
From the highlights of Chelseas game: Sheva played great and besides the goal was involved almost in every dangerous move, and gave good passes (Kalou missed 2-3 certain goals). Plus Chelsea was really unlucky not to score more goals in the second half, and wasted so many chances.
Locke Lamora
Roooooosenbooooorg!!!
God, this was a good result.
The look on Abramovich's face...priceless.
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Sep 18 2007, 04:00 PM)
Roooooosenbooooorg!!!
God, this was a good result.
The look on Abramovich's face...priceless.
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if chelsea dont go far in CL they'll focus more on the league which is bad for arsenal, why would want that?
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Sep 18 2007, 09:22 PM)
if chelsea dont go far in CL they'll focus more on the league which is bad for arsenal, why would want that?
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I don't think anybody needs to worry about that.

Only 50% of Chelsea played today, the other half is still injured, once he comes back they'll improve. Top 2 in the league, QFs of every competition they enter, no worries.
misha
Best european scorers ever:

Gerd Müller 62
Sheva 60
Pippo 60
Raúl 59
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 19 2007, 01:36 AM)
Best european scorers ever:

Gerd Müller 62
Sheva 60
Pippo  60
Raúl  59
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Pippo will outscore them devilsmiley.gif devilsmiley.gif devilsmiley.gif

p.s. I always wanted Sheva to be ahead of Muller, but I think I wouldn't like to see that anymore
misha
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 19 2007, 12:42 AM)
Pippo will outscore them devilsmiley.gif  devilsmiley.gif  devilsmiley.gif

p.s. I always wanted Sheva to be ahead of Muller, but I think I wouldn't like to see that anymore
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I would smile.gif In the end there will be only one biggrin.gif

Sheva has more seasons to play than Pippo. It will be between him and Raul.
Rossoneri7
Your right about that, at least someone close to our Rossoneri hearts keeps that record of the highest scorer wink.gif
misha
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 19 2007, 12:53 AM)
Your right about that, at least someone close to our Rossoneri hearts keeps that record of the highest scorer wink.gif
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Yeah, after all, he scored most of them for Milan.
Tennie
Hsm. A couple of surprising results today.

I didn't expect Chelsea to draw at home and I was thinking the Scousers would squeak out a win at the Dragao and finally end the English club curse there (no english club has won there).

I'm not /too/ surprised that Donestk won at home; they're a notoriously difficult team to beat at home. It'll be interesting to see if they can reproduce the form they showed today when they play at Parkhead or Luz or the San Siro. (With all due respect to Misha, I'm not too sure they can).
Bluesummers
I love how 2 milan(sheva was for most of his career) players are in the top 3 scorers. I hope sheva and inzaghi top the list. Go milan, and good luck sheva. He is still my favorite foreward by far.
misha
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 19 2007, 01:18 AM)
I'm not /too/ surprised that Donestk won at home; they're a notoriously difficult team to beat at home. It'll be interesting to see if they can reproduce the form they showed today when they play at Parkhead or Luz or the San Siro. (With all due respect to Misha, I'm not too sure they can).
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You are right. Usually there is pretty big difference between how thay are playing home and away, but this season they spent 80M$ on transfers, including likes of Lucarelli and Castillo, and considering what I saw from Benfica and Celtic, they have a good chance to finish second.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 18 2007, 08:57 PM)
From the highlights of Chelseas game: Sheva played great and besides the goal was involved almost in every dangerous move, and gave good passes (Kalou missed 2-3 certain goals). Plus Chelsea was really unlucky not to score more goals in the second half, and wasted so many chances.
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He was, I'm pleasently surprised with what I've read in the papers so far this morning, a lot are praising Shevchenko saying how he and Malouda saved Chelsea from disaster.

I hope Sheva can kick start his English career now, it's really annoying how pundits go on about how good Drogba is when before last season they were saying he's useless. IF Shevchenko finds his form and the main Chelsea players don't get injured then I'd be sure of them winning it this season.
dst
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 19 2007, 11:55 AM)
IF Shevchenko finds his form and the main Chelsea players don't get injured then I'd be sure of them winning it this season.
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But is it a matter of form? We all know how great he is in the CL and we all know how great he used to be in the Serie A. But the EPL is a lot different, much more physical and requires different characteristics but his game has already been formed and it is difficult to change it at 30...
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (dst @ Sep 19 2007, 10:33 AM)
But is it a matter of form? We all know how great he is in the CL and we all know how great he used to be in the Serie A. But the EPL is a lot different, much more physical and requires different characteristics but his game has already been formed and it is difficult to change it at 30...
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I know what you're saying but I think last night he looked like the Milan Sheva whereas previous CL games he still struggled. Yes the EPL is different but this guy is one of the best in the world, the EPL still requires one thing - the ball to be in the back of the net, no matter what league you are in you're eye for goal doesn't go when you're that good.

I think it's down to confidence, I seriously feel Sheva at times thinks low of his ability at Stamford Bridge, if you don't believe in yourself you are useless in football. It doesn't help when for about a 3rd of the season you are being blamed for creating rows and making Chelsea lose rolleyes.gif

I can't see how the World's Best Attacker as he was at the time with us can suddenly turn to useless, it just doesn't make sense! That's why I still believe he will come good!
Ry4n
Has anyone read this yet ?

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/blogs/sw1.html



Just shows how much research these pundits do , should they really have the job ?? tongue.gif
misha
QUOTE (rhy_A4 @ Sep 19 2007, 05:25 PM)
Has anyone read this yet ?

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/blogs/sw1.html
Just shows how much research these pundits do , should they really have the job ?? tongue.gif
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That shows arrogance and ignorance. Like he said in the article: it's Tabloid TV.
Tennie
Unfortunately, it's usually the sort of attitude we also get in the US. Perhaps that's why I'm often happier watching football on the Spanish language channels -- I don't understand much of the commentary. smile.gif
Ry4n
although when ever i listen to english commentary on Serie A matches the English commentators usually scottish or Irish somtimes English are not bad they have some good information about nearly every player and dont critise to much they have to remember its not a Premier league match so there will be more fouls and stuff
whoarethepatriots
Inter are Loosing to Fenerbahce and Arsenal winning against Sevilla courtesy of a deflected Cesc shot

lol @ teh bEnEmAtA
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Sep 19 2007, 08:38 PM)
Arsenal winning against Sevilla courtesy of a deflected Cesc shot
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misha
Barcelona 3 - 0 Lyon

Rangers 2 - 1 Stuttgart

AS Roma 2 - 0 Dynamo Kyiv sad.gif

Sporting Lisbon 0 - 1 Manchester U.

Fenerbahce 1 - 0 Inter Milan king.gif biggrin.gif Forza Fener!!!

PSV Eindhoven 2 - 1 CSKA Moscow

Arsenal 2 - 0 Sevilla

Slavia Prague 2 - 1 Steaua Bucurest
Locke Lamora
Eduardo!!!
Its three!!!
arivanjj
INTER!!!
THEY LOST wub.gif
Tennie
wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif Fenerbahce!
misha
Inter is cursed. No matter who wears their ugly jersey, they won't win a CL as long as Moratti familly is there smile.gif
whoarethepatriots
QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 19 2007, 08:50 PM)
Inter is cursed. No matter who wears their ugly jersey, they won't win a CL as long as Moratti familly is there smile.gif
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They lost their first CL match last year too, to Sporting i think.

I will be half shocked and half amused if Inter fail to qualify, early days yet
misha
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Sep 19 2007, 10:53 PM)
I will be half shocked and half amused if Inter fail to qualify, early days yet
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They will qualify, but , as alaways, won't make it too far.
bigmacmtl
funny how 4 of the top 5 scores in the CL all scored yesterday: pippo, sheva, raul, ruud.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Sep 19 2007, 09:19 PM)
funny how 4 of the top 5 scores in the CL all scored yesterday: pippo, sheva, raul, ruud.
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And Henry scored today, so that makes the whole top 5 scoring on gameday 1.
Ry4n
Good job Fenerbache keep inters champions league run short tongue.gif
Ry4n
hey guys i just subscribed to UEFA Champions league website for £30 pounds i can watch all the highlights and download highlights but when i finish downloading the highlights i open the media file which is .wmv and it wont run it comes up with one of those errors like i dont have the right codec ? can anyone help me please
Ry4n
found the problem and it should work lol sorry
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 19 2007, 11:50 PM)
Inter is cursed. No matter who wears their ugly jersey, they won't win a CL as long as Moratti familly is there smile.gif
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They were missing several players, i.e. most notably from the defence. But that shouldn't be an issue for them as they have depth rolleyes.gif tongue.gif

Anyways ... We beat Fener 5 or 6 2 yrs ago, but this time around Fener have Zico on the bench. And he totally owned Mancini in terms of tactics; I mean the champions of Italy loosing to Fener, that is just too much !!

Inter will go through in the end, but at the same time they wont last in the advanced stages. Mancini doesn't have what it takes to enrich his team with a game plan to the level of Milan/Barca. He lacks too much IMO.

Sure he has a HUGE squad to choose from, but what good is that when you are up against master tacticians who can literally r@pe your team.

p.s. I hope they come up against any of United/pool/Barca/Madrid/Sevilla and loose BIG time devilsmiley.gif devilsmiley.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 19 2007, 10:52 PM)
Sure he has a HUGE squad to choose from, but what good is that when you are up against master tacticians who can literally r@pe your team.
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I think that's a very good point. Good players/depth means nothing if you don't get it tactically right.

Just look what Greece and Porto did in 2004 through great tactical work!
kurtsimonw
Just saw the Sporting-United highlights (I missed it earlier!) and I was very pleased to see Cristiano's reaction when he scored. Didn't overly celebrate and bowed in apology to the fans.
dst
Arsenal were by far the most impressive team of Day 1! Although Sevilla did not play as usual (a little bit frightened, a little bit defense-minded), the Gunners' performance was one to remember! Truly great.

Roma were very good too but Dynamo is too week a side for any concrete conclusions to come out of this game...

Milan and Real were both great attacking-wise but both made one too many mistakes thus I can't say I was impressed all in all.

Barcelona were very lucky... and Lyon too awful!

laugh.gif @ The kid with the fake glasses in the SL vs MU game when the two teams first entered the pitch!
Great gesture from CR when he scored the only goal of that game (and a good one too) and a great response from the Lisbon crowd also!

laugh.gif @ Inter! You'll always walk alone... laugh.gif @ Maxwell too for the dribble he conceded in Fenerbahce's goal which by the way is my choice for goal of the week in the CL; magnificent strike!

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 20 2007, 12:27 AM)
And Henry scored today, so that makes the whole top 5 scoring on gameday 1.
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I thought Di Stafano was top of that list... or did you mean from those still active? unsure.gif
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