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morgoth
It's over Chelsky 3-2 Diverpool, and Sheva celebrating laugh.gif

Post match comments :

Mourinho : "My team didn't go through because of the refs sleep.gif "

Benithez : "We didn't want to play the final without Milan in that final, we want our revenge"

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I_Rossoneri
LMFAO @ Benitez for taking Torres off - what a complete plank biggrin.gif

Got what he deserved in the end.
morgoth
Come on guys, at least now we can say that the final is going to be 100% english! laugh.gif
Jack Sparrow
No way mister...for the glory of Mother Russia...let's kick some Manchester @rse. I want them to lose the double now.

This team in no way holds a candle to the team of 99. Now there was a team. biggrin.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (misha @ Apr 30 2008, 07:57 PM)
Which is Chelsea 96.gif

The Scousers will cry tonight and Cristiano will cry in Moscow wink.gif
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Now dst is happy smile.gif ... I'll have to wait till the final to be happy biggrin.gif
dst
I was going to post something like...

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**** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!!
**** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!!
**** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!!
**** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!!
**** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!! **** YEAH!!!


YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!


But I'm going to act calm and say...

Giggity Giggity Goo! cool.gif
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (fresh_prince7 @ May 1 2008, 02:45 AM)
Great game.

Sheva! What a matchwinner. Had to vote him man of the match for the game on uefa.com
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Sarcasm right?? unsure.gif Or did he actually do something?
misha
F*CK YEAH!!!! F*CK YOU LIVERPOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew it's gonna be Chelsea's turn this time.

Grant>Bentez. Fact 96.gif

Somewhere in Portugal there is a very unhappy man




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Chelsea totally deserve it. What a great game it was.
acid911
Although Liverpool does well in UEFA, the only reason I didn't want them to go through was to hear the Scourers say they are as good as our Milan. Consecutive final appearances? Three finals in five years? No thanks. mad.gif

In a way these semi-finals have been complete opposite of the last ones. If you put in the same three English teams, and substitute Barcelona for Milan, the two teams that lost out on the final berth, came back this year, and are playing in Moscow. Exact opposite. Having said that it would be quite a sight if they final on 21 gets postponed or even suspended for some reason - we'll be Champions for another year. tongue.gif

I honestly can't root for any of the two teams (Manchester of Chelsea). I'll watch the final, yes, but all-English or same-country-team finals don't exactly provide the best viewing experience. Both teams know their strengths and weaknesses, they've played against each other countless times. Case in point: Milan and Juve 2003. There is a reason this is called European Cup, and having two teams from contrasting leagues is what it's all about. But then again, the two best teams reached the final, so I can't complain. Much. wink.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 1 2008, 02:33 AM)
Sarcasm right?? Or did he actually do something?
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Yeah, he actually came on when five minutes were left on the clock. Made a run, was stopped by 3-4 Liverpool defenders near the edge. And then celebrated like there was no tomorrow. laugh.gif Can't say much to the man, and how he's fallen from grace. The two years have been, well, let's just keep it at that.
misha
BTW what a great decision from Benitez to sub his best player - Torres - for the 30 most important minutes of the season biggrin.gif
acid911
QUOTE (misha @ May 1 2008, 02:39 AM)
BTW what a great decision from Benitez to sub his best player - Torres - for the 30 most important minutes of the season
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Yeah, stupid old rabbit that Benitez. By all means Torres should have been able to handle the full 120 minutes. It's not like he's 35. biggrin.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (misha @ Apr 30 2008, 09:39 PM)
BTW what a great decision from Benitez to sub his best player - Torres - for the 30 most important minutes of the season biggrin.gif
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He's just done his post-match interview - Torres has hamstring problems, he wouldn't have been able to continue.
misha
Was very emotional to see Lampard score after such tragedy he recently had (even that he choose to play was a brave thing) and to see his father crying in the stands.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (misha @ Apr 30 2008, 09:48 PM)
Was very emotional to see Lampard score after such tragedy he recently had (even that he choose to play was a brave thing) and to see his father crying in the stands.
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Yeah. smile.gif

Took alot of nerve to take such an important penalty, especially with the week he's had. Great to see him score it, and a really nice celebration from him.

(P.S. Did anyone else notice that he'd lost weight? tongue.gif)
dst
Finally a great game between the two. And finally Diverpool scored at Stamford Bridge...

I want Chelsea to go all the way. But even if United win I would not be all too disappointed... and that's cause of Giggs and Scholes. The rest of them can go **** themselves!

And last but not least... RIP momma Lampard! sleep.gif

QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 30 2008, 11:35 PM)
Scoursers are gonna have an issue if it goes to penalties this time: Ballack is veryvery good at taking penalties.
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2 or 3 more people have said this but... Ballack can only take ONE penalty... huh.gif

QUOTE (morgoth @ Apr 30 2008, 11:37 PM)
Diverpool
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Oh that's new! Thanks! smile.gif

QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 30 2008, 11:44 PM)
Ballack will still only take one penalty, won't he?
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Thank you! I thought I was missing something... laugh.gif

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 1 2008, 12:08 AM)
Looks like l'pool wont be matching our 3 in 5 record.
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It would 3 in 4. They can do 3 on 5 next season

QUOTE (morgoth @ May 1 2008, 12:19 AM)
Come on guys, at least now we can say that the final is going to be 100% english! laugh.gif
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QUOTE (acid911 @ May 1 2008, 12:34 AM)
Three finals in five years? No thanks. mad.gif
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Same as above; it would be 3 in 4 and they can now do 3 in 5.

QUOTE (misha @ May 1 2008, 12:39 AM)
BTW what a great decision from Benitez to sub his best player - Torres - for the 30 most important minutes of the season biggrin.gif
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I like Benitez as much as the next guy (has made a brave team from a bunch of mediocre players and is sleeping with Lady Luck) but that was a bad decision... that was totally unexpected. Still, Babel (another mediocre one) scored... Lady Luck's enjoying it! biggrin.gif
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 1 2008, 12:51 AM)
Took alot of nerve to take such an important penalty
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So true. You need balls to take that one!

Also, I have a newfound respect for Grant. He is on the Final after all... and not by chance! He's not some great tactician or anything but he deserves some credit for this...
dst
04/05 Liverpool beat Milan in the final
05/06 Milan reach the semis
06/07 Milan beat Liverpool in the final
07/08 Liverpool reach the semis
08/09 ???
morgoth
QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 30 2008, 10:34 PM)
I honestly can't root for any of the two teams (Manchester of Chelsea). I'll watch the final, yes, but all-English or same-country-team finals don't exactly provide the best viewing experience. Both teams know their strengths and weaknesses, they've played against each other countless times. Case in point: Milan and Juve 2003. There is a reason this is called European Cup, and having two teams from contrasting leagues is what it's all about. But then again, the two best teams reached the final, so I can't complain. Much. wink.gif
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Actually all the zebras finals are shitty and usually end up with penalty shots.
The Spanish final between real and Valencia, for example, was good to watch.

QUOTE (dst @ Apr 30 2008, 10:51 PM)
It would 3 in 4. They can do 3 on 5 next season
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True, I don't know why I was thinking about 2003 innocent.gif

Anyway, next year will be there so ... cool.gif king.gif

08/09 Milan destroy diverpool devil.gif devilsmiley.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (morgoth @ Apr 30 2008, 10:41 PM)
Anyway, next year will be there so ... cool.gif  king.gif
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Forget the final, I'll be happy if we even play in the CL next year!
morgoth
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 30 2008, 11:43 PM)
Forget the final, I'll be happy if we even play in the CL next year!
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The thing is, if we play it we'll win it. I just have the feeling. R99 comeback, Paolo lifting the trophy and ... well you'll see next year wink.gif cool.gif
dst
QUOTE (morgoth @ May 1 2008, 01:41 AM)
Actually all the zebras finals are shitty and usually end up with penalty shots.
The Spanish final between real and Valencia, for example, was good to watch.
True, I don't know why I was thinking about 2003 innocent.gif
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I don't know why everyone thinks that was a bad final... everyone probably remembers it as being bad because it was between two Italian teams... rolleyes.gif It was pretty good actually!

The Real vs Valencia one was even better.
morgoth
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 30 2008, 11:48 PM)
I don't know why everyone thinks that was a bad final... everyone probably remembers it as being bad because it was between two Italian teams... rolleyes.gif It was pretty good actually!

The Real vs Valencia one was even better.
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To be honest, the pressure was so high I can't remember if it was a good or a bad final.
I just remember my self holding on my Milan shirt, kissing the badge and praying God to make Sheva score that goal ... what a great moment to live cry.gif it was 10 times better than Athens final, wow I got to see the clips again cool.gif ...

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What a great moments, Ancelotti going nuts biggrin.gif plus the 28/05 is my little brother's birthday cool.gif king.gif
Portman
QUOTE (misha @ Apr 30 2008, 10:34 PM)
F*CK YEAH!!!! F*CK YOU LIVERPOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew it's gonna be Chelsea's turn this time.

Grant>Bentez. Fact 96.gif

Somewhere in Portugal there is a very unhappy man




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Chelsea totally deserve it. What a great game it was.
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He built this Chelsea team. Fact. smile.gif
morgoth
Milan is the king of Europe and the world SUPER FACT cool.gif king.gif devilsmiley.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Porty @ Apr 30 2008, 11:28 PM)
He built this Chelsea team. Fact.  smile.gif
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Agreed. They're using the same formation, with the same players. The only difference is Nico, who has scored 1 goal since he's joined!

Losing to a goal that should never have counted and a penalty shootout doesn't mean you a bad managers, it makes you unlucky. dry.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (morgoth @ May 1 2008, 02:32 AM)
Milan is the king of Europe and the world SUPER FACT cool.gif  king.gif  devilsmiley.gif
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morgoth
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 1 2008, 12:35 AM)
Agreed. They're using the same formation, with the same players. The only difference is Nico, who has scored 1 goal since he's joined!

Losing to a goal that should never have counted and a penalty shootout doesn't mean you a bad managers, it makes you unlucky. dry.gif
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Which goal are you talking about? huh.gif

Edit. Was the third one off side?

This is better biggrin.gif
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ May 1 2008, 02:28 AM)
He built this Chelsea team. Fact.  smile.gif
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Grant reached the final while Mourinho did not (with Chelsea). Fact.

Of course I'm not saying that Grant is anywhere near Jose's level! laugh.gif But he deserves some credit doesn't he?

QUOTE (morgoth @ May 1 2008, 02:42 AM)
Which goal are you talking about? huh.gif

Edit. Was the third one off side?

This is better biggrin.gif
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Kurt's talking about this! I think it did not go all the way in... but no one can be sure. Thing is, I wanted Chelsea to lose back then. dry.gif

The third one tonight was not offside. Carragher covered Anelka, big mistake!
Jack Sparrow
I don't know about building the team. Building the team?? You just buy one among the top 5 players in their respective positions. How difficult is that?? tongue.gif

As for formation and tactics....Grant managed to make Lampard and Ballack play together and do it well. Something Mourinho couldn't do in some time. tongue.gif

Besides, you can call a penalty shootout unlucky if you like. But then I think the fact that Grant was good enough to take Chelsea through without a penalty shootout, shows some kewlness.

Oh and Liverpool are stronger now than in Mourinho's time.

I'm not saying Grant is a better tactician, but perhaps he's got qualities Mourinho doesn't, and he certainly deserves credit. Don't forget this is the first MAJOR club he's coaching. And he's done really well.
dst
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 1 2008, 11:34 AM)
I don't know about building the team. Building the team?? You just buy one among the top 5 players in their respective positions. How difficult is that?? tongue.gif
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It's certainly not that easy.

On another note, last night, Essien was amazing! blink.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 1 2008, 01:34 PM)
Besides, you can call a penalty shootout unlucky if you like. But then I think the fact that Grant was good enough to take Chelsea through without a penalty shootout, shows some kewlness.
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Maybe Chelsea itself was strong enough to go through. You have to give credit to the team too, because after all it's the players who do all the work. Grant didn't take the penalty that Lampard converted. Neither did he spend 120+ minutes on the pitch. That's not saying he didn't have a role to play. In fact, I respect him a tad bit more after last night. But it's the players who do all the dirty work.

Sometimes I think coaches are over-rated. unsure.gif

QUOTE (dst @ May 1 2008, 02:50 PM)
On another note, last night, Essien was amazing!
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He was superb. Loved his goal, the one which was disallowed. Great strike from the edge of the box when 80% of the players were between him and the posts. Plus, very, very decent in defense too. And no, I'm not too big a fan of the Men In Blue, but anyone who plays Inter or Liverpool, I support them with all my heart. Even if it's Liverpool playing Inter. cool.gif
acid911
And now that I think of it, Drogba was amazing too. You can't take out his two goals - each a super strike. Chelsea would have been lost without his goals. Lampard's penalty was just an icing on the cake. His first and third goal was what started and ended everything. sleepysmiley03.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ May 1 2008, 03:06 AM)
Grant reached the final while Mourinho did not (with Chelsea). Fact.

Of course I'm not saying that Grant is anywhere near Jose's level! laugh.gif But he deserves some credit doesn't he?

He deserves some credit but TBH I look at him as a lucky soab.

Anyway, I really hope Chelsea do it in Moscow.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (morgoth @ Apr 30 2008, 11:42 PM)
Which goal are you talking about? huh.gif

Edit. Was the third one off side?

This is better biggrin.gif
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People saying Grant has done something Jose didn't do - beat Liverpool. Jose "lost" to them twice, the first time, the goal they lost to wasn't even a goal.

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Oh and Liverpool are stronger now than in Mourinho's time.

I have to disagree. Liverpool of this year have done worse in every competition they entered compared to Liverpool of last year. tongue.gif
Portman
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 1 2008, 12:43 PM)
I have to disagree. Liverpool of this year have done worse in every competition they entered compared to Liverpool of last year.  tongue.gif
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It's a fact though they've the best foward in the world in this year's team.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Porty @ May 1 2008, 11:51 AM)
It's a fact though they've the best foward in the world in this year's team.
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Buying the best players doesn't make it a better team, we all know what happened to Madrid when they tried that out.

Liverpool of last year, are better than this year. I think the only thing this year that they did 'better in' was the FA Cup, but last year they lost to a good team in Arsenal, this year to Barnsley.
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ May 1 2008, 02:41 PM)
He deserves some credit but TBH I look at him as a lucky soab.

Anyway, I really hope Chelsea do it in Moscow.
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You can't go anywhere without luck.

I do too.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 1 2008, 02:43 PM)
People saying Grant has done something Jose didn't do - beat Liverpool. Jose "lost" to them twice, the first time, the goal they lost to wasn't even a goal.

I have to disagree. Liverpool of this year have done worse in every competition they entered compared to Liverpool of last year.  tongue.gif
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Chelsea was eliminated twice under Mourinho, that's what "remains" in the end... also, I don't think you'd use "" if Mourinho had won those encounters in the same way...

Results is not the only indicator of a team's quality... the Liverpool of 2005 when they won the CL can barely be compared to today's Liverpool in terms of quality.

QUOTE (Porty @ May 1 2008, 02:51 PM)
It's a fact though they've the best foward in the world in this year's team.
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Yup, him and Cristiano are the best!
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 1 2008, 03:07 PM)
Buying the best players doesn't make it a better team, we all know what happened to Madrid when they tried that out.
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!?? Liverpool are absolutely NOT doing what Madrid did back then!! huh.gif

And saying the best players doesn't make it a better team is as impersonal as saying money doesn't bring happiness... well... money doesn't take happiness away either, this is merely the poor man's saying and in the same fashion, great players don't make it a worse team either... if you know what your team needs and don't just buy off of YouTube, you create great teams... like United did, like Chelsea did, like Madrid and Barcelona did, basically, like everyone does... Liverpool will only get better if they buy great players, there's no other way...
Rossoneri7
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Four-za Milan


Fiorentina may deserve to finish fourth, but Antonio Labbate explains why Italian football would benefit if Milan pipped them into the Champions League




It was tough watching the Champions League semi-finals this week. With Italian interest limited to just Barcelona full-back Gianluca Zambrotta, Serie A followers were forced to accept the fact that the peninsula’s best this season were just not good enough on the biggest and most lucrative stage there is.

While some may argue that Chelsea had an easy run up until the semi-finals and that Manchester United preached a disguised form of Catenaccio, there is no doubt that they are two of Europe’s most talented sides.

Of course, Italy’s big boys will be mounting another challenge next season in an effort to readdress the balance of power. Inter, Roma and Juventus have already qualified for the competition, but who will join them? With three games left, Fiorentina lead Milan by two points.

The Tuscan giants would undoubtedly deserve a sporting shot at the trophy after the Calciopoli verdicts contrived to rob them of a return to the European Cup over the last two campaigns. However, if you solely put the winning interests of Italian football into the equation, then it would clearly be more effective for Milan to pip them to fourth.

The Rossoneri have had a campaign to forget, yet one has to accept the reality that they would in all probability be more of a force in Europe next season than the Viola. While Cesare Prandelli – Italy’s most talented boss right now – has worked wonders at the Franchi, the club lack the financial clout and experience to mount a serious Champions League challenge. Don’t be misguided by their progress in the Mickey Mouse Cup.

Milan, on the other hand, have the financial backing to – as is necessary – re-invigorate their squad ahead of the 2008-09 campaign. And should they make the right acquisitions tactically, rather than superficially, then the multiple European champions could even be Serie A’s best bet of reaching the latter stages of the European Cup a year from now.

Inter will once more be expected to delude by failing to live up to their undoubted potential, Roma will probably again lose a big-name player during the summer – Amantino Mancini – which will complicate their priority of adding squad depth, while we shouldn’t expect too much from a Juventus side who sometimes struggled in Europe even with their pre-demotion super squad.

So who should finish fourth – Fiorentina or Milan? It depends on whether you’d like to watch an all Premiership Champions League Final at Rome’s Stadio Olimpico next term. No offence, but I wouldn’t.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ May 1 2008, 12:17 PM)
!?? Liverpool are absolutely NOT doing what Madrid did back then!! huh.gif

Liverpool will only get better if they buy great players, there's no other way...
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I never said, or implied, that Liverpool were doing that. Porty said they bought the best striker in the World, and I said that doesn't always mean you'll become a better team just because you've bought a great player. At on the basis of this season, I'd say I'm able to backup my statement.

I disagree. And like you said, you create great teams, and it's nothing to do with buying great players. Arsenal for example are a great team, but great players? Maybe 1 in Fabregas, but even he's not done enough for me to be considered great yet.
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 1 2008, 03:28 PM)
I never said, or implied, that Liverpool were doing that. Porty said they bought the best striker in the World, and I said that doesn't always mean you'll become a better team just because you've bought a great player. At on the basis of this season, I'd say I'm able to backup my statement.

I disagree. And like you said, you create great teams, and it's nothing to do with buying great players. Arsenal for example are a great team, but great players? Maybe 1 in Fabregas, but even he's not done enough for me to be considered great yet.
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I agree, it does not mean that by buying a great player a team necessarily gets better. That does not mean it gets worse though. Also, a mediocre player does not make a team better either. The player has to suit the team but a great player that suits the team is better than a mediocre player that suits the team. However, I don't value your backup cause I don't think you can "count" the greatness of a team solely by results...

... and that's why Arsenal IS a great team even if they have not won anything in the past two seasons... the thing is, Arsenal also need more great players... what separates a great team from a great team that wins is simply more quality. United and Chelsea have a bench that can beat most of Europe's mid-table teams while Arsenal and Liverpool do not. Besides, Bergkamp's Arsenal had much great quality than this one, and that Arsenal made an unbeaten run of 49 games! And that Arsenal had greater players than this one does so...
kurtsimonw
Fair points. I think the problem with pretty much everything football related is that it's all opinion, there really is no right or wrong - hence all the disagreements. tongue.gif
morgoth
QUOTE (dst @ May 1 2008, 03:06 AM)
Kurt's talking about this! I think it did not go all the way in... but no one can be sure. Thing is, I wanted Chelsea to lose back then. dry.gif

The third one tonight was not offside. Carragher covered Anelka, big mistake!
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 1 2008, 12:43 PM)
People saying Grant has done something Jose didn't do - beat Liverpool. Jose "lost" to them twice, the first time, the goal they lost to wasn't even a goal.
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Ok, I see!
Actually the "penalty shootout" fooled me, I thought it meant one penalty blush.gif.
I think I was expecting something like "penalty shootouts" ... stupid me sad.gif rolleyes.gif
acid911
Excellent article, R7. Though of course, it's a sad state of affairs it all had to come to this. At the very least, we lost 8 vital points against teams like Fiorentina, Atlanta, and co. sad.gif And we've gotten things to the point that even if we win all the remaining three games, it still can't guarantee fourth for us. Things just aren't in our hands.
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 1 2008, 01:28 PM)
Arsenal for example are a great team, but great players? Maybe 1 in Fabregas, but even he's not done enough for me to be considered great yet.
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Well, I think 8 goals and 18 assists is a bit special for a 20-year old...
Jack Sparrow
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Alright fine. He's a bit great. tongue.gif

Well, the problem is he's yet to win anything big in his career. Unless he does that, he's not even going to be in the running for the golden ball or whatever. He'll continue to be a excellent player for his particular team like I dunno Anelka?

I once heard Arsene said that Anelka was better than Henry. So theoretically if Anelka had stayed, he'd be great etc etc. But he moved on and kept moving, and while he played well for almost all his teams, since he's not won anything, he's just another good player. Henry played well, also won the EPL and went to the final of the CL. He's got stuff to put in the achievements column in his resume.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ May 1 2008, 06:42 PM)
Well, I think 8 goals and 18 assists is a bit special for a 20-year old...
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But he's not won anything. Even Ashley Young has put up numbers like Fabregas and I wouldn't consider him 'great', and I'm a Villa fan!
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (acid911 @ May 1 2008, 06:46 PM)
Excellent article, R7. Though of course, it's a sad state of affairs it all had to come to this. At the very least, we lost 8 vital points against teams like Fiorentina, Atlanta, and co. sad.gif And we've gotten things to the point that even if we win all the remaining three games, it still can't guarantee fourth for us. Things just aren't in our hands.
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Professional football players .. When they come to San Siro (and I have yet to here anyone say otherwise!), they leave it in awe. Because, when they were mere kids, this is the stadium which they witnessed Milan battle in and reach a champions league final one after another. And the chance to play for such a team, its an achievement for them! It's the weight of this team that will always keep it amongst the heavy weights .... Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, Nottingham forest, etc these are just terminal clubs .. When you say Milan, Madrid, Bayern here you are talking about European powerhouses who have left their mark and even if they had fallen, will remain on top.

So, even if Milan end up in the UEFA cup, it's not a failure, but neither is it a success considering the weight of this club. It would just mean a setback, but the fact remains this is AC Milan let that be in 1997, 2007, or 2017 cool.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 2 2008, 01:01 AM)
So, even if Milan end up in the UEFA cup, it's not a failure, but neither is it a success considering the weight of this club. It would just mean a setback, but the fact remains this is AC Milan let that be in 1997, 2007, or 2017
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Agree with you. Having said that, there is no such thing as success or failure - only results. An outcome. Success and failure are just relative terms. And if the result be UEFA Cup, I'll take it - no questions asked. As long as I get to see the players wearing Red and Black battle it out on the pitch. king.gif To seeing us even finish 16th won't take away from the joy of May 23, 2007 or our earlier victories. The joy of being able to witness great players walk the grass of San Siro. You can't forget them. The only time the players needs the fans is when they're not winning. They need their support.

But all sweet talk aside, the fact remains that something still needs to be done. New blood is the need of the hour. Fresh players, new signings. Great clubs don't live in the memories of yesteryears. And I'm sure something will be done. A giant like Milan can't battle out for fourth place, two years in a running. It's a result that's just not acceptable, whichever way you look at it. wink.gif

But yeah, I can't disagree with your post even if I tried.
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