it's difficult for me to admit just because its the Merda....lol

they say the table never lies so what can you say...at this moment in time they're the best team in Italy (god that was tough )

Why is that when someone doesn't admit that Milan always have been, still are, and always will be the best, they're criticized for not being a Milan fan? It's getting pretty stupid, in my opinion.

Milan aren't the best squad right now based on performance, no. That'd be the cugini (the Merda) by a long way.

As a team? The Merda are just that. Merda.

Well... Don Silvio's mentor though was Craxi... even that guy himself was not such a... socialist in his "business"!

great result!!!!

Right now Inter are the best team in Italy, no doubt. but what matters most to me is that they'll go down sooner or later. they can be like this only when Milan and Juve are struggling. so let them be happy coz the days of their happiness are numbered already. I believe in Milan of next season.

Watch out what you say.
There are some sensible people around. They may question you as a true Milan fan.

Roma 1 up vs. Reggina. Panucci.

I agree with wath you said here accept for the bold part. Milan where never favoured, and neither were they charged for match fixing, in fact I remember 2 games in particular where ref calls that disallowed us Sheva and Crespo goals that in the end cost us the title, I'm talking about the game against Siena where a Sheva was disallowed for a blatantly wrong offside call and another game (which I can't remember who it was against atm) where a Crespo goal was again disallowed for the same reason.

So in the end we where screwed just as much as the others but were penelized for defending ourselves.

Yes Inter right now are the strongest squad in Italy I agree there, but they were not as innocent in the whole calciopoli thing as they claim to be


Unless our management does something to fix the problems that we have been having for the past few seasons, then we won't challenge for anything, because I have no doubt that Inter will continue to get stronger this summer and if we don't address the problems that we have then we'll still be fighting against Fiorentina for 4th

Roma arent filling me with confidence here, neither are Juve. This title is theirs to loose.

Only a screw up of biblical proportions will see Roma or Juve win the Scudetto

Inter will be Champs this year. And it will take HUGE changes to all teams in Serie A for a team to come close to challenging them, in my opinion.

k theres one thing that i wanna get straight and it's not directly at you but it's something thats been referred to and seems to be confused with.

one thing that i've seen over the years and it's something that present in all the top leagues and thats favoritisms towards the top clubs, then theres another level of favoritism that team like man u and barca get and what milan and juve used to get (and now inter is getting it). does this mean man u are fixing games? i dunno but teams like chelsea, arsenal,liverpool more often then not get calls their way just not at the same rate as man u. and well going back 3 years milan and juve we're clearly the top two teams in italy but most of then time the calls went our way and that does help. anyways all that to say theres a difference between match fixing the kinda favoritism we see every day.

juve we're caught cheating, thats a fact. and i remember that siena game clearly, and a few controversial juve goals that helped them but come on it's not like we havent had our share (obviously not as many as juve tho) because their easy to forget.

I was nodding as I was reading this part because I agree with you completely. Inter though also got favoured during those times just like any big teams, just like us and Juve the 50/50 calls against small teams went their way, I'm just saying here that they weren't disadvantaged like they try to claim by playing the victim when they were enjoying the usual privelages of being a big club just like the rest.

AS for calciopoli, which as you said, is a whole different thing from the usual favouritism the bogger clubs have, I think that Inter were as much involved as the rest, and there are countless things that happened during that summer that point to the fact that they were involved, which I'm not going to get into right now because I don't won't to turn this into a big calciopoli debate.


Imo, we never blatently fixed games like Juve have, and from the evidence that came out it was clear that we didn't do anything that would suggest match fixing. The only thing Milan were charged of is unsportman conduct, for 2 phonecalls which had Meani COMPLAINING about bad decisions going against us (the blatant ones I mentioned in the other post) which happened AFTER the games had happened. This was the only evidence they managed to get against Milan from hours and hours of taped calls. The only reason Milan were penelised is because talking to ref designaters is against the rules

Milan were never like Juventus (not in the Berlusconi era, I cannot comment for earlier years) in fixing matches. Simply ask an "small" club fan, they never had such problems with Milan! Of course I'm not denying that Milan were given the majority of the 50/50 calls but we were never gifted 3-pointers with 7th minute penalties and 3m-offside goals!

Berlusconi or Galliani never were in control of the referees. Moggi was. And it was a deal. Moggi would control the refs and Milan would control the money. That's what Silvio wanted, the "paperwork"... that's why mid/low-table clubs could not make significant transfers and that's why Milan and Juve always managed to get the best players from them easily.

Milan though were not found guilty of anything in the trials. But it's a common secret that this is how things worked... So, did Milan deserve to be penalized? YES! But they were not penalized for match-fixing... not that what Milan did is any better than that...

This is a very interesting discussion here,..

Y'all are right, if only partialy at least.

First of all - Calciopoli happened. Calciopoli is something very real, very present, and very influential. We have to accept that fact.

Calciopoli shifted the powers in Serie A. Inter turned by night from a born to lose team to a winning champion team. Key players? Zlatan Ibrahimović, Patrick Vieira,..Juve players who joined Inter after the scandal was revealed. Inter without Zlatan? Niente,..So we are right when we say . But we are not Inter fans, so we also have the right to say, yes they are the best, under very lucky, extraordinary and sometimes even suspicious circumstances.

Calciopoli is like the Superga tragedy back in the 40ties. Or some other scandals, like the Milan and Lazio ones back before Silvio's era. How could Juventus turn into a winning team in 1949-50? It were the same lucky, extraordinary and sometimes even suspicious circumstances - one year ago, half of the Grande Torino team was killed in a airplain crash. After that, Torino never came back (except once in the 70'ies, someone knows the exact year?), while Juve and Inter secured domination.

So, I do accept the reality and know Inter are best now, but I also know why they are best. So you won't be hearing this Inter dominates Serie A stuff from me.

Under such circumstances the Serie A quality dropped. - and this really looks to be the reason. Parma, Lazio, Fiorentina - they cannot hold up with Inter and Roma, the Totti Roma. Milan lost interest in Serie A, which is another discussion, but for me, it is quite reasonable. But Milan will be back, the fans egg on Silvio and the management, and it will pay out.

I don't think this is what happened. To me, Milan did not want, for whatever reason, to invest on the team. Whether that will change this summer or not, we will have to see...

Milan did not care to invest for a new team. Our management knows exactly that the present squad is more then enough for a decent CL season. Why don't they care about the scudetto? Maybe they've lost interest. For years Milan played on both grounds. We've finished second behind Juve. And it turned ou that this was as good as we could get. Maybe it's still so, only difference now is, we know exactly what's going on.

I just can't believe that.

It was as good as could get? What is this? Are we Foggia or Milan?

I mean, Juve cheated on results. So yes, finishing second was as good as it get's..

But that is in the past. The feeling I get from your post is that you think we'll never try again because of that...

No, you got me wrong. But how do you know that is past? I'm not sure.

Anyhow...

I am not. But we obviously can't stop fighting for the c'ship because of that...

But we loose the neccessary motivation. At least, some of us do. And then,..it ends up like this.

Well, the clueless wonder from the Fox Soccer Channel is doing commentary for the Catania - Merda game. He's just as bad for them as he is for the Milan games. Worse even as he mispronounces more of the Merda names.

As for the game itself, the second half is just underway and it's still scoreless. The Merda look awfully flat.

Inter will probably win and I wont be surprised if its a cheap penalty or an offside goal.

60' Catania 0-0 Inter

Let's see if Inter lose points tonight.

I knew it was too good to last. Cambiasso goal in the 64th. Looked a little offside to me.

Cambiasso, 1-0.

OK... forget it.

64' Cambiasso 0-1.
67' Suazo 0-2. Assisted by Zlatan.

All over.

"Controversial Cambiasso goal" ?!...

It was a clear offside.

well i wouldnt say clear, it was close but ya he was probably offside.

I don't know what to say... these referee mistakes only make a strong team stronger.

I can quote myself but I wont. This is just ridiculous and its almost happening every game.

Best team my @ss.

Now, let's win next Wednesday vs. Livorno. If we do, we'll be in 4th place.

Another referee mistake in favor of Merda?? No way...

Let's beat Livorno on wed... and hopefully rest some starters on saturday for arsenal.

We don't really have the luxury of resting starters...my guess is we might play for a draw against the Gooners at the Emirates...and try to pull off a famous...San Zero screwjob a la Man U.

Trouble is Arsenal are not an 'English' club in the truest sense of the word.

We can't really afford at this stage in Serie A to sacrifice matches...we need to win points in every game.

The numbers…
Speedy subs
It was an afternoon for inspired substitutions. Not only did Alberto Paloschi net for Milan only 18 seconds after his introduction, but Vincenzo Iaquinta bettered him. The Juventus striker scored the winner against former club Udinese just 14 seconds after he was thrown on.

whaaat?

No comment...

f@ck...nahh, it doesnt help them...they'll get striked out by l'pool


btw...look at this great defending...5 inter player to 3 catania's...i mean

Yeah, it's relaxing to think referees will not help Inter in the CL! if they think they're the best, they MUST prove it in European competitions not in a league with lots of lunatic refs.

This one made me smile. Forza Catania

Snark is Mightier Than the Sword link

The Massimino was sadly empty for much of last season following the devastating riots that killed police chief Filippo Raciti a year ago this month. Catania's supporters were held up as the epitome of the problems wracking the sport and some called for them to be thrown out of Serie A. It is for this reason, among others, I am proud to report they have found a wonderful new way of dealing with the growing tension whipped up by referees and media – good old-fashioned sarcasm.

When Stefano Farina made some decisions they disagreed with, most notably allowing Inter's opener to stand despite Esteban Cambiasso being offside, the initial reaction was to boo and shout abuse, some even considered throwing things on to the pitch in protest. It is in this kind of atmosphere that violence breeds like a virus, as anger takes over common sense.


Instead, some bright spark in the crowd figured out the best response was with a smile. Never have I seen the entire stadium enjoying a defeat so very much, as they turned their dislike of Farina into a game the whole arena could join in with. His every whistle was greeted with a standing ovation, cheers swept around the Massimino for the last half-hour of their 2-0 loss and choice chants broke out treating the errant official like the new Diego Armando Maradona.


It was a brilliant plan. Not only did the fans leave the stadium laughing at their misfortune and feeling they had vented frustration in a positive – albeit sarcastic – way, but it seemed to infuriate Farina a lot more than if he had been booed in the traditional style. The international referee stormed off the pitch without hanging around for the 'terzo tempo' handshake pantomime, eyes popping out of his skull with sheer rage.


It brought back all the wonderful things about the Italian Ultra culture that so often get buried in amongst the few idiots who use it as an excuse for violence, racism or anti-Semitism. This is a long-standing ethos of insulting your opponents while making them laugh, giving the jibes as good as you get and meeting your mates in the bar to trash talk over your respective teams. If we can bring that back to the masses and sweep them up in silliness rather than violent outpourings of anger, maybe we can see a different atmosphere develop throughout the calcio world – and keep referees on their toes.

Maybe in a derby... maybe in the NT.

I like it that they are friends!

Balotelli is great in FM08.. guess they knew about him.. while Paloschi isn't. Maybe that'll change in FM09 XD

He is Italian?!

He is from Ghana and has not acquired Italian citizenship. But he wants to play for Italy I think.

Has a black player ever played for Italy?