Top 10 Andrea Pirlo moments for AC Milan

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial...ts-for-ac-milan

It's not the same, though. Those late-2000s teams seem like eons ago.

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Agree with all what's han been saying about Pirlo.


Gee, your bashing is unbelievable. Can't really understand it, it's like you badly want him to appear useless, bad, unworthy of your admiration, etc. just so you can get over the fact that we lost a true gentleman, a player with finesse, character and unbelievable footballing charm. Milan will never replace Andrea's uniqueness.

Pirlo in tears greeted the team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0eTV4HnWRk

why? can't we still sign him? I'll even accept it as one of Galliani's new signings!

Thanks for the video,emotional...

Srill cannot accept this. We've renewed with every damn player, even the ones not good enough and not worthy but we're letting Pirlo go like yesterday's trash. And the only finger I can point to in this situation is Allegri.

If Pirlo leaving means someone younger and better coming in (i.e. Ganso, Fabregas, Pastore etc.), I'm all for it.

Well, Andrea is the only player that can still achieve something in a new environment and play a important role. The others - well - they have to choose between Brazil, Russia, who know where and Milan. Normally the pick Milan.

On the other hand, Andrea of all people got out of favor with Allegri, while Rino and Clarence still feel their contribution.

You see, I really cannot tell why Ganso or even Pastore would be better. They are different players and nowadays miles away from where Pirlo is. Maybe they can become someday like him, but if it was up to me, I'd keep Andrea and bring in a future replacement.

I think you guys missed the part where Milan wanted to keep him, just as a sub. I also think you guys missed the part where in the past 3 years we've won more games without him.

Its one thing to think with your heart, but its another thing to think with stats and your ol' noggin. We will all miss Andrea, but the fact of the matter is were better off without him. That SUCKS, but its true.

Please show me those statistics

Ah drat! You got me Han! I guess I'll change my mind now and you were right this whole time.

Not.



http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial...ant-theres-life

"He was injured" -- He was healthy enough to play 4 more games than Van Bommel.

"He wins us more games" -- With 4 more games than having a true DM we scored less, and conceded more. A LOT more.

"He was good on the left" -- Maybe so, but we still won MORE games without him.

So much nonsense, I really cannot believe my eyes.

Firstly, why do you and Chu repeat that one "statistic fact" like a broke record? Is that some kind of ultimate stat that tells you everything? Don't you see that the problem lies in positioning Pirlo and the fact that our coach simply cannot find a suitable position for Andrea, and nothing else? Did we loose those matches because of Pirlo? Finally, you honestly believe Pirlo isn't worth giving more time and more chances? Up till now Andrea has performed with outstanding results for Milan. This season he had a bad injury that got also prolonged, and a new coach to deal with which had another vision in mind. Why can't we acknowledge all these points in favor of Pirlo, like everyone does when Pato is concerned?

And finally, for how long should Mark van Bommel be our solution? One season long? And then what?
Ahhh, I rest my case - but remember this post next season when we play a team like Parma or Bologna and Milan misses creativity. Cause that's what will most likely happen if you rely on Bommel as a creative force.

Nice post.

And I'm sorry that my posts were not always very gentle towards Pirlo, but I'm just really happy to see him leave for the sake of Milan. In a way I'm just very disappointed in Pirlo, who once was an amazing midfielder, but not anymore.

Yea, I'll remember this post when we win the Scudetto again.


Bold 1: All signs point to yes. 18 goals conceded. 18!! Is this an invisible number to you guys?

Bold 2: What on earth? Who said Van Bommel was going to be our creative force?

You rest your case? Ok, so we keep Andrea. Thats a solution of some kind? How long is that a solution? One Season? Ahh, I rest my case.

We need to buy players, thats obvious. Look through the nostalgia and the happy memories, just like we had to do with Kaka, to see that the player is not what he once was, period.

Are you sure? Why? Can you tell the competition will be as weak as this year?

I've read posts who count Bommel as a creative force also. Pirlo can play for at least 3 more years on top level, while Bommel is 2 years and a few months older. You think he'll stay that way until what, 37?

Pirlo could have been what Rui was to Kaka.
But I really have nothing to add, I'm getting tired of defending Pirlo. I really isn't necessary.

Van Bommel is a great player to have, really a blessing to have him in front of the defense, but that doesn't mean he should be the creative force, no, we need a new player for - the one replacing Pirlo - who isn't a great player to have anymore in my opinion. Van Bommel is the ideal solution to play in front of our defense, but not as creative force, not as Pirlo's replacement, no, that was Seedorf, and next season, a new signing...

Why do you constantly put the sentence "Pirlo is not good anymore" in your posts? I mean, by now, we all know you think that way and there's no need for repetition unless you believe it has a Ceterum censeo... meaning.

I think Seedorf is more suitable for that role.

What really strikes me though is that most of you seem certain in resting Pirlo's departure on Allegri's shoulders? What if Pirlo was the one that wanted to leave? What if he didn't like the new position on the left? What if he didn't accept being a substitute to the new face we're going to sign? What if he wanted more money? There's too much uncertainty about the reasons of him leaving, so don't go making blatant comments about why we didn't try to keep him.

I think it was a mix of few things. Milan wanted to offer him a one year deal like the rest of veterans got but he wanted at least 3 (like he's gonna get at Juve). Plus he wasn't enthusiastic about his new role and Max was o.k with him leaving. It was mutual deperture (Pirlo said it himself) that will be good for both sides.

Exactly. You depicted it very nicely. We didn't want him to leave, but we weren't against his departure either. I think Pirlo's will played the most important part. Like you said, he wasn't very enthusiastic about his new contract and role, so he decided to try a new adventure.

I can't believe some of the posts in the previous page. full of bias, double standards and hypocrisy. and don't ask me 'who, which ones'. you know damn well yourselves!

Which one? Those are serious accusations, and since I mentioned Pato back there, it could very well mean,...

Anyway, I know Pirlo for 10 years while Allegri for only 1. I'm bound to believe more that it's Allegri's fault and that he simply posed to him a problem, which he solved similarly to Ronaldinho. I see a pattern. Of course, that doesn't mean Allegri is 100% responsible and Andrea is an angel. I only think that Milan could have kept Pirlo and that his stay wouldn't be a burden to the team.

No no. I hadn't even read that line you wrote about Pato when I posted that.

I can't say which ones though. forget it. I just think you guys need to relax. Pirlo is gone and no one knows for sure why. we can only assume it was a mutual agreement, so stop pointing fingers...

lol I knew you would come at me with that BS goal.com stat

When you in fact said in the last 3 seasons, which is complete cr@p btw. Show me some real stats!!!

As for the one you showed me, it doesn't really have any basis to it. When Pirlo played on the left we were strong both defensively and offensively. Also Pirlo mostly played at the beginning of the season where Allegri barely knew what the hell he was doing, changing line-ups, formations and tactics every week. That doesn't really bode for stability within the team and it ridiculous that you would pin that on Pirlo, talk about a desperate argument when you see one

Anyways, I have nothing else to say to you and Chu, you obviously both wanted Pirlo out, and are coming up with the most ridiculous arguments to back that up. Saying good riddance when it comes to Pirlo is just something I canot accept from true Milan fans, Pirlo one of our best servants and players of the last decade, a true world class player and saying good riddance for that. But we're fighting to keep Ambro and Rino

Both are more worthwhile than Pirlo is.

Not even going to justify that reply or any other one of your comments about Pirlo with an answer

I don't get you. You say good riddance to Pirlo but at earlier on commented how disappointed you are with him going to Juventus. You hold on to this statistic like it's some deep study of Pirlo's influence on Milan's play and mentality. You disregard 9 seasons prior to this only make a theory more plausible. What's next, is Pirlo on Emerson's level now? Or what? I mean, if you rate Ambro and Rino higher then Andrea, what spot is he holding to you?

Haha.

I'm disappointed several people disagreeing with my latest statement. From han it was expected of course...


That's okay. I wouldn't be able to do so either.

I can't argue with people who disregard fact. You can call that page BS all you want but its pure fact on paper. So, forget it. I can't take your arguments seriously because they are driven emotionally and not necessarily logically. Its a recipe for disaster and I'm not going to make anyone hate me.

Sorry.

p.s. Two years ago Pirlo was injured under Ancellotti. Seedorf played in his position and we won more games without him than with him. I'm not going to show you any stats because it will just be a waste of my time. Look it up if you want, but anyone with a proper memory will know its true already. That is why I said 3 years. That is also about the time since our last CL when, I think it at least used to be regarded by the Milan public that our old guard, including Pirlo, started drastically dropping their performance level.

That's because your assesment is only based on your biased personal oppinion. I find it hard to count more then 5 people who are Milan fans which have the same oppinion as you do on Pirlo.

Lol! Look at the facts behind those statistics I already pointed them out to you yet you ignored it and pointed back to a stupid peice provided by none other then the respected football editiorial also known as goal.com Woohoo to you my friend.

You said, and I quote "milan have won more games in the last 3 years when Pirlo was out" I asked you for stats and you come at me with the goal.com link which only points to this season. When Pirlo was injured and when he was fit the team had still yet to find their true shape under Allegri so we were constanly under influx.

I still clearly remember last seaosn how the team fell apart when Pirlo and Pato got injured. How does this prove your point exactly? And under Carlo Pirlo was always the most played player in the team, no contest, we could barely function without him, let alone win more games

Deleted Post. no sense in this.

What is this? is it recent?

And your personal opinion isn't biased? Why do you act like what I say is all biased and so? It's really not appreciated in a discussion. By the way, I can count easily 5 Milan fans who think the same as me, without blinking my eyes.

And just because we don't like looking for stats doesn't mean it's BS we say. It's not our fault you cannot remember (or simply don't want to) that we had great runs when Pirlo got injured, not only this season, but also when:



And I will you explain why we are usually better without Pirlo than with, since that's something too complicated for you to understand. Of course, Pirlo has got a great pass in him, with great vision. Yeah, we all remember those beauty key passes he gives few each match. But for what price? For the price slowing us down, giving the opponent the time to get in shape; Pirlo makes it harder for Milan to score with the way he plays. And as a midfielder (since he is not an attacking midfielder) you need to defend also. Sure, Pirlo makes many miles during a match, but how? He walks slowly back to our own half when the opponent attacks, just to be there, thinking he's defending.. but who is he defending? Mostly no one, rarely chasing the ball, rarely marking someone. Of course, sometimes he does make a nice defensive play (or in one game (vs Real) he had a whole match good defensive play - but that's unfortunality an exception), but just not often enough.* It's no coincidence Milan concedes way more goals with Pirlo in midfield than without. He isn't combative enough, far from it, and that's exactly the reason why Allegri is more than okay letting him go. Which is a very nice vision from our coach. I can't wait for us to sign his replacement. That's going to be a very good one, and it will make our midfield way better.

*By the way.. when Seedorf played in 2011 in front of the defense (and as LCM also), he was way more combative, really giving his all to get to the opponents,getting the ball back to our team, really nice to see, something I miss seeing in Pirlo (most of the times). Seedorf showed this recently skill I don't expect from Pirlo. But, unfortunality, Seedorf is someone who doesn't always show this good form either.. I'm kinda disappointed in both

edit: and I didn't even mention how easily Pirlo gets marked and therefore being useless most of the match. This happens usually in CL/big games. Against weaker sides Pirlo actually is a good player for us, I think? But against the big boys? Please, no thank you! Or don't you remember all those players that's successfully marked Pirlo the whole game? Like J-S Park, and many others... we need a creative CM that is combative, and excels in big games, NOT Pirlo

sadly its time for pirlo to say goodbye. whether hes going to juve or us. i dont know yet but well guys look back on the good this player gave the club.

And 10 years ago would u have thought this guy coming from Inter milan would become one of the clubs best ever players. pretty not sadly its the beginning of a new era and some older guys with fond memories they gave (cl win 2003,2007) sheva pirlo seedorf Costacurta etc etc are all gone or going. sad thing to see them leave but well now theres new guys coming up like pato merkel etc look forward to hopefully a happy new era

Totally agreed, Kazdoodle. While it is sad to see Pirlo leave, it is probably for the best, and now we must look forward to a new age for the club. I make it a point to remember the players who played in the red and black shirt in good memories and their best moments, and our #21 is no different.

If that were the case then the club would have let go Ambro, Seedorf and Rino as well

Ah yes ... You got him all figured out don't you

it's old

one more

Nice interview with nesta about Pirlo,and his career.

I'd definitively can imagine Nesta and Pirlo at Milan's helm in 10 years as a coaching team.

hmm, I think it was pretty obvious, let's stop trying to make Seedorf out to be a Saint...

Seedorf is not a Saint. He is a general. And thanks to Pirlo's departure our last remaining mid-field general. Ambro and Rino remain sentinels.

Let's see whether he decides to stay on as second fiddle first