What a player!

Awesome interview with Nesta, and nice pictures with the team.

No I'm not going to stop until you stop your side swipes at Seedorf

And for the record, he is a Saint

:,( Always remember you as a milan legend. wonderful player always did in my own head regard him highly. always woulda liked to have seen him at us one time but well hes a true milanista at heart and well.....for some reason it feels wrong to see him in another club

They're not side swipes, I comment on what I've seen for years now from Seedorf, awesome and simply amazing when it suites him, other times he doesn't giving a flying ****

Another issue that has become obviously apparant when it comes to Seedorf are his physical limitations, play him on a constant basis and his form dips down dramatically, even now as the season drew to a close we wer eonly playing once a week and you could still see Seedorf struggling by the end of the month where at the beginning he looked physically fit and sharp again after being benched.

I do't really know what you have me pegged as, but I'm no Seedorf hater, in fact I've always been a fan, but the man is just frustrating for one too many reasons. And now, someone like him, having to accept a role on the bench, I don't think he'll accept that

He's a Knight ot a Saint

As for the pics, nothing else to say, this is just gutting for me

+1

It really annoys me. I don't like this kind of attide. Therefore I hope he leaves, and we sign two new (creative) midfielders that have heart and spirit every game.

Galliani is probably sh!tting his pants trying to make Seedorf stay...

For me we need 2 creative players whether Seedorf stays or goes...

True that. We are somewhat secure in the DM department, it's the creativity that lacks in our midfield.

We have so many DMs, we can hand them out as free samples at the local mall

Totally agree, but ain't gonna happen. Still puzzled about that Ganso guy.

Anyway, Zee should stay, attitude or not, we sure could use him next year.

I agree that we need him to stay on, but what we all have in mind for him is a ssub spot, and that is not what he wants

His last red&black interview, for those who speak Italian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRRMoh1xXpM

What should frustrate you is the coaches that keep Seedorf on the pitch, not the player himself. Who said he will have to accept a bench role? Are you aware of his new contract details?

And if anything he had sacrificed more than me & you combined for this team. So show some respect and stop the side swipes.

In my opinion, Ancelotti was the only one who understood Pirlo in the position he invented for him. Leonardo and Allegri assumed they could use him there just because he played there under Carletto. I believe there was space for him here as LCM, but I don't know all the behind-the-curtain details, so I stop at that.

What I can say is that, from what I saw of Pirlo, he was never one of my favorite players. I appreciate his technique and I will always remember him as a unique player, but I believe Rui Costa to be a much better and more complete player than him. In fact I saw Rui play in his position a good two or three times and I thought he did fantastic.

What didn't I like about Pirlo's game? Let's count:

1) He was meant to be a great set piece taker and he did take the majority of our set pieces by a BIG margin and he seemed oh so very careless with them. And I'm not talking about how his face looked or his demeanor. I'm talking about him delivering 1 great corner in 10 he took. I'm talking about him wasting almost all the free kicks he has taken in the past couple of years, curling them sky high... Not even the CL final free kick was a good one. Just a lucky one with more of Inzaghi's goal sniffing genius. How many freekicks has he scored for us in total? I'm pretty sure the number doesn't look good for 10 season of being here and taking almost all the free kicks when he played.

2) He was meant to be this great passer... Yet I remember many many occasions where his long passes have gone absolutely nowhere. Kind of like Nesta in that respect. I do admit his short passes in the middle of the park gave our game a beautiful dynamism, but Van Bommel seems to be able to do that however differently yet effectively. But I did see Pirlo struggle pretty badly when space was limited to us by small teams that played with 9 men in their own half. Pirlo seemed as clueless as anyone else and I always thought he should be able to do something. At least a killer through pass or something, but I mostly remember back passes and play around the area, nothing lethal.

3) He suffered too much without a full strength Gattuso. In the heart of the midfield, right in front of defense, that's just bad. I don't blame this on him, but he could at least work this out somehow with the coach or something to find a solution that works. But it looked like he was always played there and in recent years suffered too much as a result of his lack of physical presence, pace and any noteworthy defensive ability. I didn't like seeing him schooled by attackers, as he is not meant to face them on that level. Sometimes in some intense rainy games, he looked like a burnt out washed out little wet mouse in our midfield giving his all trying to win the ball back for his team. Something wrong about that picture.

That's all that came to mind. The first one annoyed me a lot. I believe parting ways was probably a good option for both parties.

Thank you and goodbye Andrea. I remember your Brescia days!

Hmmm, it did under Carlo, but both Leo and Allegri have benched Seedorf when he's so bad that couldn't be left anywhere near the pitch. It's frustrating to see him not giving a sh!t when he gets his chance though, and I find it so funny that he started giving his all when his contract was coming to an end. Coincidence? I think not!!

And Come ON!! You're telling me to show respect when I speak about Seedorf playing like he doesn't give a sh!t or because his fitness levels are just not good enough? We've got people saying good riddance to a player like Pirlo!! How is me saying what I feel in regards to Seedorf's performances a sign of desrespect??

What has Seedorf sacrificed exactly? Breaking records with the team? Earning medals and trophies? Or the multi-million pound contract he holds?

Yes he held a hefty contract, thats what World Class players get in return for their services

Seedorf has done more for Milan than your criticism ... That, I am 100% certain of.

And I never said he didn't deserve it Just don't try to insinuate that he sweat blood out there for nothing in return.

Seedorf has done a lot fo Milan, I never denied that. But on more the one occasion he's performed as it suited him for Milan and that is what makes me and most fans critical of Seedorf.

There is no denying his class, talent and just overall presence within the team. But along the years he's been one of the most frustrating players for me, simply because his abilities allow him to be awesome but he usually strives for average when he doesn't think the setting is right for himself

I have never and will never consider Seedorf on par with Pirlo in terms of quality or final product for Milan, although when i began watching intently , through the entire season, Seedorf has been an older man. Pirlo for me is one of the greatest players of his generation and should have been treated with more respect. Yes he has had his injury problems, and maybe Van Bommel is a more physical presence, but a midfield should not be built only on pure strengt. Finesse to me has always been a more admirable attribute. When it was Pirlo Gattuso and Seedorf, the team had a balance like it never has since these players have slipped. I will always be a Pirlo fan, thick and thin I feel he was a part of the Milan soul for the past few years. Now a new wind is blowing and our younger guys are starting to push through, yet the experience they gained from our older players was invaluable. Abate for one has calmed down due to the complecency tought to him by our older players. I wish Pirlo could stay but alas an era has to begin to end. Forza Pirlo! Forza Milan

Past Players section please...



Link: http://football-italia.net/may24x.html

What're the wages? Any idea?

About 4M per year.

He strives for average? Or sometimes his role is limited to certain tasks?

most fans? dude your a minority in this.

I think you along with Jack, are the very few people I know who actually hold Seedorf in such high regard no matter what he does

Then you must know very few people

Look at his post count. We're all the friends poor han has!!

Funny there.

But even if I had no social life and you forum people were my only friends, you're still the only Seedorf worshippers I know.

In real life, most people find Seedorf to be an old player playing on past successes. At least that's what most non-Milan fans feel. From the Milan fans I know it ranges from people who are indifferent towards him, to people who are just plain frustrated by him and others who like me, respect him for all he's accomplished and done, especially for Milan, but think that he doesn't give his 100% all the time, and that is what's frsutrating. Add to that his physical limitations that have clearly come out this season and we can't really rely on him any longer

My only curiosity is why Pirlo has opted to join Juve. They're a team on the decline - nowhere near what they should be. Finishing where they did couldn't have been attractive.

Their history,I say.Juventus are looking good for next season anyway,with 2 or 3 buys they can challenge for CL spots,and who knows maybe the scudetto.

Juve just needs some consistancy regarding their team. They have good players, there's just been far too much change in terms of personnel in the past 2 years or so.

Probably because he wanted to stay in Italy...

Many factors:

1) Juve can offer a "best of both worlds" solution: meaning he signed for a big club by name and history, but in problems, which ultimately means he'll be getting a stellar treatment and a secure first team status.

2) He's staying in Italy.

3) Hey, it's Juve. I think Pirlo wanted to do, what Baggio and a few others did - playing for the Big three.

4) Buffon, Chiellini, Del Piero, Marchisio,...all buddies from National team. It's probably the familiar atmosphere that is acceptable after leaving home.

I think he just wanted to prove himself again, and Juventus seemed like the proper challenge for that. Plus they offered him the right conditions (centre midfield + three years of contract).

+1 Good one .

+2 Classic. Even Captain Jack is gonna like this one, me thinks!

That's not Pirlo's hair colour!

Was going to post a lengthy "I hate you Pirlo you overrated ****" post but this sums it up quite nicely

Incredible that he earned the title of "maestro" for such a low % of success of the things that he was supposedly good at
Even more curious the fact that his departure to one of our hated rivals, accompanied by such comments as "Milan will see if it was a mistake to let me go" (paraphrasing)- and he gets off with only well wishes

That's how the world revolves, Dru. Nothing new, curious or incredible about it. Even though I am saddened to see him leave when he had another 2-3 years at least at the top level, there were thing (that Max listed in his post above) that still are noteworthy. I like to think of Pirlo as a lazy maestro, one who did not do justice to his immense talents.

Case in point that scorcher of a goal in RM's home where we won 3-2. How often did we see Pirlo attempt that? He was much more comfortable laying back and making a styled pass than taking the bull by the horns and stamping his authority!

You've either only watched Milan the past two seasons or you've forgotten everything before that.

+1

+2

Past 3 seasons, but I agree. +3.

lol people readily admitting that Pirlo has been garbage for 2~3 years....yet somehow he's still a maestro

These are ridiculously low standards. They guy hasn't scored a free kick in 2+ years!! His career assists barely passed double digits in any one season! Good riddance. People forget that Pirlo only reached where he did because of Ancelotti's understanding how to get the best of such a limited player. Neither L30 or Allegri could.

Yes he was really good till '07 but after the Arsenal game I hated him sooo much. All he had to do was score ONE free kick to get us back on our feet...without TREMENDOUS support Pirlo = 0

So, all this time I've been wrong for considering Pirlo a world-class midfielder. Thank god there's drucurl for us.

You actually consider Pirlo as a world-class midfielder nowadays????

btw.. spot on KillerMax and dru.. +1 for you guys