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Habitant
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 14 2009, 08:34 AM) *
Now we don't have Kaka and Silvio is putting a stop to any negotiations that go above the 15m mark, which lets face it, in this market you'll only get mediocrity for that ammount no one is going to hand out a mildy good player for that.

Its ridiculous to even think that we got close to 70m for Kaka and we can't even fork out 20m for a striker.

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S.O.S club in need of a proper president!
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 14 2009, 02:34 AM) *
Now we don't have Kaka and Silvio is putting a stop to any negotiations that go above the 15m mark, which lets face it, in this market you'll only get mediocrity for that ammount no one is going to hand out a mildy good player for that.

Its ridiculous to even think that we got close to 70m for Kaka and we can't even fork out 20m for a striker.

Its just bull****, Okay I get the part where he doesn't want to add a single cent to the club anymore, fine. But why does he get to tell us how much we can spend on a player. If we have 30 million, we should be given the choice to spend it on 1 or 5 players.


Enough is enough, we need to get rid of this clown of a president.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 14 2009, 09:39 PM) *
Its just bull****, Okay I get the part where he doesn't want to add a single cent to the club anymore, fine. But why does he get to tell us how much we can spend on a player. If we have 30 million, we should be given the choice to spend it on 1 or 5 players.


Enough is enough, we need to get rid of this clown of a president.

Wait wait, who said we have 30m?

We are bone dry broke!! That's the reality of the situation here. The Kaka money has already gone to the cr@pper and with no Silvio having our backs we have nothing
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 14 2009, 03:10 PM) *
Wait wait, who said we have 30m?

We are bone dry broke!! That's the reality of the situation here. The Kaka money has already gone to the cr@pper and with no Silvio having our backs we have nothing

it was an example.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 14 2009, 09:43 PM) *
it was an example.

Since we don't have any money we really can't give examples as its pointless really

At this point its either Silvio approves or nothing happens. and since Silvio thinks this mid table team is good enough I don't see us actually completing any more transfers

I say forget Fabiano, get Cruz for just this year, use the money we're planning on using for Fabiano to get Hernanes or Sneijder, keep Pirlo.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 14 2009, 03:46 PM) *
Since we don't have any money we really can't give examples as its pointless really

At this point its either Silvio approves or nothing happens. and since Silvio thinks this mid table team is good enough I don't see us actually completing any more transfers

I say forget Fabiano, get Cruz for just this year, use the money we're planning on using for Fabiano to get Hernanes or Sneijder, keep Pirlo.

hernanes costs more than fabiano, and sneijder is not leaving madrid. We have more than 15 million i'm sure of that, I just think they don't want to spend.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 14 2009, 09:52 PM) *
hernanes costs more than fabiano, and sneijder is not leaving madrid. We have more than 15 million i'm sure of that, I just think they don't want to spend.

Today the president of Sao Paolo is aying that he would let Hernanes leave for 10m, I say that's a bargain and if we don't pounce on it, our management would be officialy declared as moronic idiots
Habitant
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 15 2009, 02:27 PM) *
Today the president of Sao Paolo is aying that he would let Hernanes leave for 10m, I say that's a bargain and if we don't pounce on it, our management would be officialy declared as moronic idiots

if we were rebuilding we wouldnt mind leaving a void but investing in areas that would help us long term. like you said use the fabiano money to get hernanes, suffer a little up front but invest in a young player that could eventually replace pirlo isntead of buying a 29 year old rolleyes.gif. huntelaar is another we should get, he'll be 26 for next season and isnt a player that relies on pace so he could be great for years to come, and he's pretty damn cheap considering. you cant let these deals pass by.

they can talk all they want but if you really start a youth movement you gotta get top class talent rather than this 2nd rate youths.
Jack Sparrow
I still don't get why we're on Huntelaar. If Leo feels that a tall poacher is not what we need, what's the point in purchasing him, just coz he's available? unsure.gif

Bluesummers
We'll probably sign Fabiano or an unknown. Huntelaar won't fit in our system, so we should forget about him. We already have boriello who is the same as huntelaar, we dont need two of them. We have to get a versatile striker. I think we should go for rossi and use viudez/cardaccio to lower the price or perhaps even kaladze to lower the price.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 16 2009, 06:24 AM) *
We'll probably sign Fabiano or an unknown. Huntelaar won't fit in our system, so we should forget about him. We already have boriello who is the same as huntelaar, we dont need two of them. We have to get a versatile striker. I think we should go for rossi and use viudez/cardaccio to lower the price or perhaps even kaladze to lower the price.

Viudez or Cardacio won't lower the price by much. And I'd rather keep them as they're our most promising youngsters

I'd rather offload Kaladze/Dida/Seedorf I think any one of those can lower a price by 5 to 10m. Any mid table team would be happy to get them
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rino Gattuso)
ON KAKÁ'S DEPARTURE: 'For me it's the 11th season, it's the 24th for Adriano Galliani and president Berlusconi: I'm sure it was the most important sale for all of us, perhaps the only one of this magnitude. It's derived from a policy of resanation which we already knew about, and it's important to make this clear to the people: it's not true that president Berlusconi doesn't love this team anymore, but there are some financial accounts to take into consideration. When the economy will be fine again it will be possible to spend money. As for Ricky, obviously his absence hurts: we have often relied on him, for example against Celtic in 2007, when we were poor and he carried us to the quarter finals. Or the many times when we weren't doing well and thought: 'let's not worry, Kaká will solve things...' That is how we experience Kaká's presence. It's inevitable that we feel it now.'


Yet another member of the Milan family who says financial problems forced us into selling Kaka.
Bluesummers
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As for Ricky, obviously his absence hurts: we have often relied on him, for example against Celtic in 2007, when we were poor and he carried us to the quarter finals. Or the many times when we weren't doing well and thought: 'let's not worry, Kaká will solve things...' That is how we experience Kaká's presence. It's inevitable that we feel it now.'



cry.gif you know whats heart breaking...cry.gif I used to say the same thing cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
Protagonist
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 13 2009, 04:55 PM) *
cry.gif you know whats heart breaking...cry.gif I used to say the same thing cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif


I feel you, it wont be the same. Kaka' was too important, to the extent that his efforts consisted of 80% of our attacking potential. But analyzing the situation, although he is indispensable, we have to move on. We have to instill some faith in Ronaldinho or whoever would be able to carry that weight.
MizNelson
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Or the many times when we weren't doing well and thought: 'let's not worry, Kaká will solve things...'

That really wasn't a good state of mind to have.
han2503
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 13 2009, 04:53 PM) *
That really wasn't a good state of mind to have.

Its the Carlo Ancelotti way of doing things rolleyes.gif
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 13 2009, 10:55 AM) *
cry.gif you know whats heart breaking...cry.gif I used to say the same thing cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

+1

QUOTE (Protagonist @ Aug 13 2009, 11:16 AM) *
I feel you, it wont be the same. Kaka' was too important, to the extent that his efforts consisted of 80% of our attacking potential. But analyzing the situation, although he is indispensable, we have to move on. We have to instill some faith in Ronaldinho or whoever would be able to carry that weight.


+1
chiu09
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RICKY AT MILANELLO FOR THE ROSSONERI'S TRAINING!
8/16/2009
MILAN - 17.30: surprisingly, Ricky Kaká made his entrance at the Milanello sporting center to greet all his ex team mates and the Rossoneri's staff and follow the team's training closely. Ricky spoke for a long time with coach Leonardo and wanted to greet his old friends and the entire staff with which he worked in his extraordinary Milan career. The team gave him a heartfelt applause before going back to work and prepare the Berlusconi Trophy tomorrow at 20.45 at San Siro.


FORZA RICKY!!!!!!!
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (chiu09 @ Aug 16 2009, 07:20 PM) *
FORZA RICKY!!!!!!!

+ Infinity!
nuh
Kaka: 'Milan, let's win tonight!'
Kaka paid a surprise visit to his former Milan teammates and spoke to fans about “us” ahead of the Trofeo Berlusconi.
The Brazilian may have been sold to Real Madrid for £56m, but he evidently still considers himself part of the Rossoneri squad, or at the very least their fandom.

Given a two-day break by the Spanish side, he jetted straight to Milan to cheer on his old friends and spoke for a long time with Coach Leonardo.

It is not yet known if he will be in the stands for tonight’s Trofeo Berlusconi match with Juventus, but he did chat with supporters outside the Milanello training ground.

“We hope to beat Juventus,” he said to the fans. “We have to get the victory.”

When some fans asked him to pull on his boots and get out there to take part in the game, Kaka was diplomatic.

“Milan already have great players.”
Bluesummers
QUOTE (nuh @ Aug 17 2009, 04:45 AM) *
Kaka: 'Milan, let's win tonight!'
Kaka paid a surprise visit to his former Milan teammates and spoke to fans about “us” ahead of the Trofeo Berlusconi.
The Brazilian may have been sold to Real Madrid for £56m, but he evidently still considers himself part of the Rossoneri squad, or at the very least their fandom.

Given a two-day break by the Spanish side, he jetted straight to Milan to cheer on his old friends and spoke for a long time with Coach Leonardo.

It is not yet known if he will be in the stands for tonight’s Trofeo Berlusconi match with Juventus, but he did chat with supporters outside the Milanello training ground.

“We hope to beat Juventus,” he said to the fans. “We have to get the victory.”

When some fans asked him to pull on his boots and get out there to take part in the game, Kaka was diplomatic.

“Milan already have great players.”

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Bluesummers
Video of kaka's vist to milanello. link


He truly loves milan. I hate Silvio for this mad.gif I'll never forgive him. I hope after his career he will come back and coach us or scout for us, forza ricky king.gif
Bluesummers
link


wow, cry.gif Remember when he would do that for us cry.gif
Ro Rossonera
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2009, 10:38 PM) *
link


wow, cry.gif Remember when he would do that for us cry.gif


Gah this is so hard...I wish I wouldn't have seen that cry.gif
Ro Rossonera
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2009, 10:36 PM) *
Video of kaka's vist to milanello. link


He truly loves milan. I hate Silvio for this mad.gif I'll never forgive him. I hope after his career he will come back and coach us or scout for us, forza ricky king.gif


cry.gif my friend posted that on twitter yesterday.

I watched it like 20,000 times before I couldn't take it anymore and had to stop myself.

My favorite part was Rino slapping him tongue.gif
Bluesummers
link


Another kaka set up goal for madrid.
amancik
As much as I hate this to happen, I think Kaka is going to shine in La Liga. He did score plenty of goals while he was with us but to be honest, the style there is more open, he will have more space to run into and the defenders aren't as solid...mark my words he will score more than 17 goals.
dst
That vid with him at Milanello is very nice, especially when Gattuso joins them. Damn! sleep.gif

Was the friendly played yesterday?
Zed.D
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 20 2009, 06:08 AM) *
link

wow, cry.gif Remember when he would do that for us cry.gif


He made tens of assists but there's this one which I'll never forget...
TriniKing_CE
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il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Aug 20 2009, 07:25 AM) *
He made tens of assists but there's this one which I'll never forget...

Kaka himself said that was the best play of his career in an Uefa CL interview cry.gif
il_diavolo_mtl
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Kaka: Milan Will Beat Inter, I Hope Real Madrid Avoid Chelsea In Champions League
The Madrid-based Brazilian hopes Milan beat Inter in the derby this weekend, and he wants to avoid drawing Chelsea in the Champions League...

Aug 27, 2009 9:09:47 AM
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Real Madrid ace and former Milan star Kaka believes Inter have no chance in the Milanese derby, predicting a 2-0 score in favour of Leonardo's men.

The derby come early this season and plenty of hype has surrounded the game. Kaka admits he will miss not being able to play, but he believes his former team can storm further ahead of the Beneamata in the standings.

"Milan will win 2-0. Pato will score from a Ronaldinho or Thiago Silva assist, and then Alessandro Nesta will get the second," Kaka told La Gazzetta Dello Sport.

"I will always support my old team-mates no matter where I am."

With the Champions League draw taking place later on Thursday, Kaka's new Real Madrid side could face Milan or Chelsea in the groups stages. The Brazilian is hoping to avoid both teams.

"I wouldn't want to face Chelsea because I have plenty of affection for Carlo Ancelotti. I hope we get them further in the competition though," added Kaka.

"If I scored against Milan? I wouldn't even think about celebrating."

Salvatore Landolina, Goal.com
Danny
He can say what he likes, I can't stand Kaka and consider him a lying 2 faced prick. It doesn't matter if he's a Milan supporter, he's still a lying 2 faced Milan supporter.

If he hadn't come out with all the nonsense about staying then I'd have respected his departure, but after Boumsong and Cuellar for Rangers, and Shevchenko and now Kaka for Milan, footballers by their nature are utter bullshitters who say what the fans want to hear.
Ro Rossonera
I think he truly wanted to stay...but he was forced out. If you want to blame someone blame Berlusconi, it's his fault for opening the door in the first place.
Tennie
At the risk of reopening the debate, Fishdoll and I respectfully disagree with Ro and Diavolino. We're much closer to danny's opinion.

Still, it's nice to hear a former player (who left for reasons we disagree about) saying nice things like what was in that interview. Former players of Kaka's current club usually aren't so...complimentary.
Danny
QUOTE (Ro Rossonera @ Aug 27 2009, 11:51 PM) *
I think he truly wanted to stay...but he was forced out. If you want to blame someone blame Berlusconi, it's his fault for opening the door in the first place.


That's fine, but the blame does not solely rest with the management - you cannot force a player out. That's illegal and is called firing them.

Kaka had to willingly want to leave. He was given the same choice in January - he elected to stay, with nonsense about how he couldn't possibly leave Milan, wanted to stay here forever and be an idol and captain for us. He knew at this point that his employers had accepted the bid, and they'd left the decision up to him.

So why is it when the same scenario arises again, it's suddenly the management's fault for pushing him out, rather than it simply being the fact that this time he accepted?

If he'd said in January that he didn't want to join Man City, but perhaps accepted the club needed the money so if anyone else offered then he'd accept, then again, I'd have respected that. But he made claims about staying here for life, regardless.

And the only other thing he ever said was that if he had to leave it would be to go to Real Madrid - there's no such thing as 'having to leave' a football team - this isn't slave labour where the player is dictated to by the club.

For a similar example of this sort of nonsense you have to look at Ronaldo - even worse because he made the same claims about being happy at Man Utd but openly flirted with Real Madrid.

Footballers are rather reprehensible mercenaries at the best of times. So few honest gentlemen among them, guys like Maldini.
kurtsimonw
I'm in the "Kaka' wanted to stay, but Berlu prefers lots of money to Kaka' so basically told him he should leave" camp.

Kaka' comes accross as one of the nicest, most respectful, professional footballers I've ever known. I pretty much believe everything he has said regarding the transfer. I would trust Galliani and Berlusconi as far as I could kick them though.
Danny
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 27 2009, 11:55 PM) *
At the risk of reopening the debate, Fishdoll and I respectfully disagree with Ro and Diavolino. We're much closer to danny's opinion.

Still, it's nice to hear a former player (who left for reasons we disagree about) saying nice things like what was in that interview. Former players of Kaka's current club usually aren't so...complimentary.


Being fair though he wouldn't have said anything else. Last thing a former player wants is abuse when they return to their old club.

I have no doubt the lad is a Milan fan and wants Milan to do well except when his team play us, but I cannot forgive lies, dishonesty and deceit. I've had far too many footballers lie and consequently betray to take a word any of them say seriously.

Anyone who thinks Kaka was forced out against his will is being very naive. Such an act is illegal - the most a club can do is freeze a player out like Chelsea are with Shevchenko - but such players are usually out of favour.

If you have a valuable player who another team really wants, your player has to actually want to leave - he will negotiate favourable terms which either equal his current pay or significantly increase it, plus puts in lots of stipulations to their contract which makes the whole deal quite attractive to them.

They don't turn round and look at their current bosses, cry, and say, 'no, don't force me out, I want to stay, please'.
dst
You either believe that he loves Milan or you don't. I personally do.

In my opinion after all that had happened regarding the City transfer he felt relieved and he thought it would all end and the club would not accept any future bids so that's why he said those things. I believe he meant what he said.

Everyone is free to think what he/she wants and since I believe he loves Milan and wanted to stay I think he said what he said because of the above.

And of course I'd believe what he says over what Berlusconi or Galliani say any second of any minute of any hour of any day of the week.

This "forced out" thing is ridiculous though... of course he was not forced out, whatever that means.

I can't wait to see him back at San Siro!!!!! I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome and I hope the club he plays for will lose!!! devil.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE ("dst")
You either believe that he loves Milan or you don't. I personally do.

Oh, do you?

I think he's a lying little git. Good riddance.
Tennie
Given the nature of those who sit in the Curva Sud, I have little doubt that he'll get a warmer welcome at least by that lot than the man who played 25 years for the club got as a farwell.
dst
biggrin.gif He's a non-lying big anti-git. Bad riddance.
han2503
@ danny, what did you really expect from the guy really? He was betrayed by the club he claimed he wanted to captain. It doesn't matter if they forced him or not, they accepted a bid, told him he had his price and to please leave because they needed the money. What self-respecting man would stay after this?? I would have made the same decision he did.

Of course they can't force him out, but would you want to stay at a club where they don't want you anymore?

Had this been Sheva or Dinho, Silvio would have seperated oceans to make them happy and make them stay. But Kaka wan't that close to him so he sold him to the first bidder.

As far as him saying 'If I were to leave' All players think about what might happen in the future, he was just saying that the only club he would ever concider if it came down to moving from Milan would be Real, and can you blame the guy, anywhere else would have been a step down in terms of club prestige and history.

Regarding him saying he wanted to stay. Yes he did say that, and that was before he left to South Africa with Brazil, before Galliani went to Madrid to have a 'Celebratory dinner' rolleyes.gif with Perez, at that point Galliani was adamant that Kaka had not been brought up. A couple of days later while Kaka was in South Africa Galliani came out and said that Milan had accepted a bid... So think what you will, but Kaka didnt't betray anyone, he was the one that was betrayed, and the fans, but not by Kaka but by the management. And to continue rubbing salt into the wound, what did they do after selling Kaka? Got Onyewu on a free and only Huntelaar....
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 28 2009, 12:47 AM) *
biggrin.gif He's a non-lying big anti-git. Bad riddance.

You're so childish.

QUOTE (han)
Of course they can't force him out, but would you want to stay at a club where they don't want you anymore?

100% agree. It's not easy if you're told you're no longer wanted. I think Baresi, Maldini, etc. would have all done the same think in this situation. If the club say the money would be better for the club than the player, then what fan of the club would go against the wishes of the team it loves?
dst
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 28 2009, 02:46 AM) *
Given the nature of those who sit in the Curva Sud, I have little doubt that he'll get a warmer welcome at least by that lot than the man who played 25 years for the club got as a farwell.

Those guys are numbered and as big pr***s as they are it does not mean they will always be wrong because of what they did. Of course I'd prefer they were not even in the stadium but well...

Kaka will get a warm welcome by almost everyone in the stadium though not just from the Curva and surely not just from those a**holes!
Tennie
See, I think all those 'If I were to leave' comments were promptly followed by raises from the club, whether asked for directly or not. And I think that things had finally reached a limit beyond which the club was not willing to go. So in the end, it suited everyone concerned for Kaka to go to Real.
dst
Fair enough. I don't think that was the problem but even if it was Berlusconi would have not problem raising his wage yet again if he was buck-toothed and bad.
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 27 2009, 11:51 PM) *
See, I think all those 'If I were to leave' comments were promptly followed by raises from the club, whether asked for directly or not. And I think that things had finally reached a limit beyond which the club was not willing to go. So in the end, it suited everyone concerned for Kaka to go to Real.

Kaka hadn't even mentioned Real for months, he never asked for raises, Galliani said this himself. And if Kaka got raises they were because it was desrved. He was our star player, Ballon D'or and World Player of the Year, he was the guy dragging the team along when all the others except for a choice few couldn't even care less. So think what you will but I don't condemn him for earning what he deserved. He never asked for the raises and I don't think his 'If I were to leave' talk had anything to do with indirectly asking for pay increase.

He gets plenty of money from his personal endorsements, which he gives 10% of to charity by the way, I don't think he's as money hungry as you make him out to be.
Ro Rossonera
I love Kaka and will always love him. He's our bambino d'oro.

So maybe I am a little naive to think the way I do, but I truly believe he only accepted going because the brass made him feel not wanted anymore. They were the ones that first opened talks with City and they were the ones who started talks with Real, even after he said he wanted to stay. So no I don't blame him for going. I would have done the same thing. He was always quoted as saying: "I'm happy here at Milan, and will stay as long as our objectives are the same. Or until Milan tell me that they want to sell me."
il_diavolo_mtl
Let me make this simple, to hate kaka is to love inter tongue.gif
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