So, Seedorf might actually stay. He says he hasn't decided yet, and will think about it in the next few days.

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Not happy about this.

Bah!

It was always hard to say goodbye to these players, Zee included, but really he is not needed from a technical pov. now that Pippo, Nesta and Rino are going, I'd rather he we left as well.

It's very worrisome. I can see Allegri playing him in the big games next season, as well. I'd rather have kept Gattuso or Zambrotta than him, honestly.

Me too. But then again - it really appears we won't be bringing in any creative player other then Monto and Aquilani, who's been nothing but average. And on a good day, Seedorf (the present day) tops Aqui in any way.

Oh, come on now. Make the correct decision, Seedorf, or you'll only warm the bench if Allegri has his way.

I don't know, man. I wouldn't mind keeping Seedorf as just a back-up, a rotational player, to play when someone needs a break, or someone's injured. Kind of like Rui Costa in his last season with us. But knowing him, and knowing Allegri, he'll probably play him when the going gets tough, against the Madrid's an Barcelona's, and those are the games Clarence cannot withstand anymore. That's why I find it very worrisome. If we wanna move forward and open a new cycle, Seedorf has to leave.

Yes.. But i dont think its caused by Seedorf, its just that he has the experience. Something that forces Allegri to look to him, especially when there is an injury crisis and he is fit to start. Its pointless debating an unforceenable future.. He' a legend, if one more season at Milan is what he decides, let him be. In 10 years time, he might be a CL winning coach for us. He is a midfield general that knows more about this game than any of us could conjure up in a 3 paged post.

I agree with him leaving now, just as Nesta &co, simply because it pisses me off how much i hear this broken record of them having to leave.

Agreed. Top to bottom.

Experience counts little when your physique doesn't hold any longer. And we have plenty of experienced players to count on. It's not like Seedorf is Gulliver among the lilliputians.

Well, clearly Allegri sees otherwise, as did the stubborn coachs before him

I think Allegri only uses him when he has his hands tied. There's clear friction between the 2 so I don't get why he'd want to stay, it would only mess things up. We already have a lot of issues to deal with

And at this point, I'm positive that Seedorf staying would mean that we don't move for a quality CM in the summer

I had a feeling that this would happen, simply because he did not join the others when they were saying goodbye to the curva fans

Well he did say that it was his last game for Milan. So yes the man has dignity

Clear friction? I don't think it's clear one bit. And Seedorf staying would just prove it.


Yes. But it's wrong how you put it. Maybe Milan is counting to sign a new creative player, but in 2013 - I don't know who's contract runs out next summer. Maybe it's Eriksen. And in the meantime Seedorf is the solution. It seems very logical to me.

It's all the curva's fault. where the #10 shirt?




Makes no sense. why in 2013 and not now, when we're starting a new circle? every else might as well have stayed...

The sole reason that with Seedorf staying any chance of signing what we need to sign goes out of the window ONCE AGAIN, makes me wish he leaves. he said he would, I don't get this sudden U-turn...

Maybe they were onto something we weren't. That something being the fact that Seedorf wanted to stay!

It makes perfectly sense if we're after say Eriksen and have an agreement with him. He promised to stay at Ajax one more season and in 2013 we can have him. Monto and Seedorf now, Eriksen in 2013.

I'm not insane, I know we need more then Monto and Seedorf, but that's the way it could be if you ask me.

To shamelessly rip off a line from Nolan,


"Because he's the hero Milan deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight."

We always say it's next summer, no next summer something will happen, oh no, maybe the summer after that. It's basically become a broken record of the same events.

I think looking at the situation logically, Seedorf would be the worst of the lot to keep. Simply because he won't accept anything less than an important position in the team. And if the management give him another deal than it would come with a promise of just that.

We need that creative player now, whether Seedorf stays or goes. But in the twisted reality of our management, Clarence is still as good as he was in his 20s so we wouldn't need to get anyone else.

And if you think there isn't any friction between him and Allegri explain why he hasn't even been called up since he was pulled out of that game early and went straight out the tunnel.

And then that's that. Allegri most probably called him against Novara as a farewell match. I honestly don't think he wants him here next season as well.

But it's simple:

You say we need creation. Can we pay creation? Only our management knows if we have the money to buy a great potential like Eriksen or someone who's already a star. If we keep Seedorf the answer is - no, we don't have the money. Don't you think our management would rather have a new star then keep dragging on Zee? Allegri also? But to me it seems as if we simply can't buy him now; it's hard to replace 6 senators at once. We must plan. I really don't know, but maybe the management has a plan - this summer we buy a defender and a DM, next summer it's gonna be a AM. Nesta, Bommel and Seedorf are world class players, we cannot expect our management to simply replace them in one summer.

And we can sign all the Montolivo's of the world, that won't make a difference. What we need in terms of creation is quality, not quantity. And quality these days is rare and expensive.

Rift? I really don't know. Allegri hasn't used quite a few players since Fiorentina - Emanuleson, Zambrotta, Mexes and Seedorf all disappeared. In the end, don't you think that Allegri and Seedorf know better then we do? I mean if he stays it will be clear that the rift is surmounted or that the management is sending Max a message. In any way it's good.

And one last thing. Don't say Seedorf is the worst option: in reality, everyone who'd stay would be called the worst option here. People would shout "oh no, Rino, he's barely a player - he's the worst of them all"...I know this mentality pretty well.

If we had a plan than keeping on players such as Seedorf until they could barely run for 30 minutes and having to let them all go in one summer wouldn't have happened.

Planning went out the window about 5 years ago. Milan have been winging it for years now in the transfer market. We have no strategy or plan. We just bargain buy to our heart's content. That's the strategy this club has adopted. And if once in a blue moon an Ibra falls into our laps then we'll celebrate that as if we've won the CL

Keeping Seedorf implies that we do not have a plan. But rather that once again, the management are trying to run away from the reality of the situation. And no the answer is not bringing in 10 Montolivo's but getting in a top player. And keeping Seedorf would surely mean any chance of signing that top player is dead.

You can talk about money all ou want, but we won't have that money next season or the one after that. The money only comes if Silvio decides he wants to give it. It's not like keeping Seedorf on is such a cheap option. He earnth around 3m after taxes this season. How is that the economic option?

You're right. I wish Seedorf also goes and we end this talk, it makes me sick.

I believe Montolivo will be our major creative force next season. Hopefully we sign that Strootman kid as he has quite a vision, too, besides being a rock in front of the defense. But as back-up, I think Aquilani and Merkel would be quite decent. At least we wouldn't have to rely on Muntari if Montolivo gets injured.

My nightmare for next season is Muntari being a regular as he was since he came in. I'd rather a first 11 of Seedorfs at age 40 than that idiot starting any of our games.

I wouldn't even re-sign Muntari at this point, knowing that we brought in Traoré and that Flamini will stay.

But we all know it will be happening, especially considering all the players that left. Plus he's Allegri's one true love. So he'll be staying for sure

Not taking anything away from you, but don't you find it a little over the top when you ascertain what the club's strategies are? Are you that informed? Or is it because of a certain bias?

Bias?

What does bias have anything to do with witnessing the same thing practically every summer?

When was the last time that our management showed any form of plan in how they dealt with transfers. We're chasing this guy one week, the other the next because he's too pricey, the week after that we go back to the original. Trying to go after strikers when other areas are far more pressing.

If we had a strategy than losing all of our senior players in one summer wouldn't have been the case.

I think it's pointless to talk about it with you since you always want to imply that whatever the management do is correct and all of our talk is just assumption. When the facts are what they are. We've been in a mess for a while now. And we had a few lucky strokes with the CL in 07 and Ibra but let's not kid ourselves. None of that came about because of some masterful strategy from our management

Well there is no secret that we do not have buying power. In such a situation it is easy to say, we must scout and unearth gems like we did with Kaka. But it's irrational to think we're the only clubs that do it. Do we even presume that Madrid or Barca or even Man City can't send qualified scouts to the areas we can??

Where we are strong is in bargaining and selling our playing environment. That's where the genius of our management lies. You cannot put on the table money that is not there in your bank account...what you can put on the table is the guarantee that the player will have a far better time in our team than in the 'other' team that's offering big bucks. Plus we show them the players who have made that same decision and are happy about it.

The transfer strategy cannot be blamed at the moment. Yes, we let things slide from circa 2006. But what's done is done. Now we're fixing it, and you cannot fix a negative cash flow in 3 months.

This. What's the point in debating our strategy when everything depends on money? A success-story in football equals money and buying power. It isn't just about Milan, it's about Inter, Lazio or any other big club with limited resources.

No guys, what han is saying is 100% correct. We've never had a strategy or plan in signing players. We just scout the earth looking for bargains and free agents, whilst at the same time renewing the contracts of our +33 years old senators again and again in order to survive. And yes, that is due to the lack of money. We simply don't have any. Silvio only spends that certain amount to even the accounts every summer, but he barely chips in in the signing of players any longer. Whenever it's a classy name that appeals to him, like Ronaldinho or Ibrahimovic, he won't hesitate. As the for the "normal earthlings" we are so desperate for (CB, LB, DM etc.), that's Galliani's job to sniff around and see what he can get at the cheapest price. This has been our "strategy" for the last 7-8 years, and it stopped working when we lost Sheva and Kaka', and the rest of our stars grew old. So, unless Silvio opens his wallet and hands to Galliani a modest amount (30-40 million) to sign new players this summer, don't expect anything lucrative from the market. Acerbi, Traoré, Montolivo etc. are the best we can get.

The money was never there and will never be there. So what's the point of saying "let's keep Seedorf, the management might have a big plan for 2013"?

This is the same thing we've been saying for years now. The reality is that is Silvio does not want to put any money in than nothing will happen. So I don't get why you guys feel that it's ok to keep Seedorf and look the other way to the big issues that keeping him would bring to the team

So that's the closest we've heard to it being official. He's gone too.

I'm just going to wear a Galliani jersey next season!

Who says it's a big money transfer? Eriksen's contract runs out in 2014, maybe we have something with Ajax and the player which will make everyone happy. Or maybe we're planing on another free agent. I don't know.

My point is, Montolivo will be also capable to score one goal and make 6 assists in 20+ appearances. No need for Aquilani now. What we need is extra class or extra potential and quantity cannot solve this problem.

Makes Maldini's farewell sting even more

A generation of Champions all gone.

lolz now Seedorf is the latest to leave only praising Ancelotti and Berlu...nothing for $h!tlegri

the Senatores are too classy to blast him directly but none of them are offering even the smallest word of support.

It would make sense for them to praise Carletto...their greatest wins were with him as manager. The prime of their careers were with him as manager too.

But let's not jump on Allegri yet. He has my full support for this season, where he can prove last season was an aberration and nothing else.

I know I might definitely miss something but which one of them has shown clear support for $h!tlegri?? Definitely not Nesta!! The thing about Nesta too was that he was the best of the senatores in footballing terms. He leaves us as probably the best defender in the world (still).

The only praise for $h!tlegri of late has come from the fodder brigade like Nocerino and Muntari- players that don't belong at a club like Milan- eternally grateful for $h!tlegri's destruction football so they can wear our shirt.

I don't know man.I've watched Al Jazeera pre match talks a lot where Cesare Maldini is an analyst there.He has always said that all players like Allegri.

Cesare doesn't really know what's going on daily behind the scenes at Milanello, no one really does aside from Allegri and the players.

Not even a word of good luck from any of these guys who left. Says enough for me

+1

Thus far much of the team has had either negative or nothing to say about $hitlegri:

Pato: $hitlegri does not talk to me. If he wants me to do things differently he should tell me
Flamini: I wasn't injured all the time. $hitlegri just didn't pick me
Taiwo: $hitlegri doesn't talk to me much and when he does (keep in mind this is a Nigerian who played in France) he speaks too fast
Mexes: (see above)

Nesta, Gattuso, Seedorf: Good bye to all. Carlo was a great coach and friend
Inzaghi: There were times I could have been useful
iBra: I'm being played out of postion.

Of course then there was the Pirlo saga as well...

I trust Cesare much and I think he knows what goes on, enough at least. But he's benevolent and I don't think he'd create a rift.

I trust Cesare much and I think he knows what goes on, enough at least. But he's benevolent and I don't think he'd create a rift.

He's not going to say much. He's a classy guy and wouldn't want to air any dirty laundry out.

Still he's not at Milanello on a daily basis, so he can't be sure what's going on. Like I said, whatever has happened, only Allegri and the players know the full story

Mostly we are unable to discover the absolute truth. But we still have to choose what to believe. That said, I think Cesare is very close to the source. But, he wouldn't do such a thing.

I agree Cesare ia a classy act.And yeah he wouldn't talk about rifts between Allagri and his players.But,he Allegri is praised by his players according tonCesare,and it seems that everyone wants him there.Things can change though that's for sure.

Seedorf on Sky: "I haven't yet decided about my future, but I'll keep playing. Where? I don't know, but I could also stay here".

Just leave already!

Hey you, stop whining!

Stop being bitter.

About what?