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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 13 2012, 10:58 PM) *
Me too. But then again - it really appears we won't be bringing in any creative player other then Monto and Aquilani, who's been nothing but average. And on a good day, Seedorf (the present day) tops Aqui in any way.


I don't know, man. I wouldn't mind keeping Seedorf as just a back-up, a rotational player, to play when someone needs a break, or someone's injured. Kind of like Rui Costa in his last season with us. But knowing him, and knowing Allegri, he'll probably play him when the going gets tough, against the Madrid's an Barcelona's, and those are the games Clarence cannot withstand anymore. That's why I find it very worrisome. If we wanna move forward and open a new cycle, Seedorf has to leave.
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post May 13 2012, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 14 2012, 12:04 AM) *
I don't know, man. I wouldn't mind keeping Seedorf as just a back-up, a rotational player, to play when someone needs a break, or someone's injured. Kind of like Rui Costa in his last season with us. But knowing him, and knowing Allegri, he'll probably play him when the going gets tough, against the Madrid's an Barcelona's, and those are the games Clarence cannot withstand anymore. That's why I find it very worrisome. If we wanna move forward and open a new cycle, Seedorf has to leave.


Yes.. But i dont think its caused by Seedorf, its just that he has the experience. Something that forces Allegri to look to him, especially when there is an injury crisis and he is fit to start. Its pointless debating an unforceenable future.. He' a legend, if one more season at Milan is what he decides, let him be. In 10 years time, he might be a CL winning coach for us. He is a midfield general that knows more about this game than any of us could conjure up in a 3 paged post.

I agree with him leaving now, just as Nesta &co, simply because it pisses me off how much i hear this broken record of them having to leave.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 13 2012, 05:04 PM) *
I don't know, man. I wouldn't mind keeping Seedorf as just a back-up, a rotational player, to play when someone needs a break, or someone's injured. Kind of like Rui Costa in his last season with us. But knowing him, and knowing Allegri, he'll probably play him when the going gets tough, against the Madrid's an Barcelona's, and those are the games Clarence cannot withstand anymore. That's why I find it very worrisome. If we wanna move forward and open a new cycle, Seedorf has to leave.

Agreed. Top to bottom.
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post May 13 2012, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 13 2012, 11:17 PM) *
Yes.. But i dont think its caused by Seedorf, its just that he has the experience. Something that forces Allegri to look to him, especially when there is an injury crisis and he is fit to start. Its pointless debating an unforceenable future.. He' a legend, if one more season at Milan is what he decides, let him be. In 10 years time, he might be a CL winning coach for us. He is a midfield general that knows more about this game than any of us could conjure up in a 3 paged post.

I agree with him leaving now, just as Nesta &co, simply because it pisses me off how much i hear this broken record of them having to leave.


Experience counts little when your physique doesn't hold any longer. And we have plenty of experienced players to count on. It's not like Seedorf is Gulliver among the lilliputians.
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post May 13 2012, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 14 2012, 12:23 AM) *
Experience counts little when your physique doesn't hold any longer. And we have plenty of experienced players to count on. It's not like Seedorf is Gulliver among the lilliputians.


Well, clearly Allegri sees otherwise, as did the stubborn coachs before him
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post May 13 2012, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 13 2012, 09:48 PM) *
Well, clearly Allegri sees otherwise, as did the stubborn coachs before him

I think Allegri only uses him when he has his hands tied. There's clear friction between the 2 so I don't get why he'd want to stay, it would only mess things up. We already have a lot of issues to deal with

And at this point, I'm positive that Seedorf staying would mean that we don't move for a quality CM in the summer

I had a feeling that this would happen, simply because he did not join the others when they were saying goodbye to the curva fans
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post May 13 2012, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 14 2012, 12:55 AM) *
I think Allegri only uses him when he has his hands tied. There's clear friction between the 2 so I don't get why he'd want to stay, it would only mess things up. We already have a lot of issues to deal with

And at this point, I'm positive that Seedorf staying would mean that we don't move for a quality CM in the summer

I had a feeling that this would happen, simply because he did not join the others when they were saying goodbye to the curva fans


Well he did say that it was his last game for Milan. So yes the man has dignity
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post May 14 2012, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 13 2012, 11:55 PM) *
I think Allegri only uses him when he has his hands tied. There's clear friction between the 2 so I don't get why he'd want to stay, it would only mess things up. We already have a lot of issues to deal with

Clear friction? I don't think it's clear one bit. And Seedorf staying would just prove it.

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And at this point, I'm positive that Seedorf staying would mean that we don't move for a quality CM in the summer

I had a feeling that this would happen, simply because he did not join the others when they were saying goodbye to the curva fans

Yes. But it's wrong how you put it. Maybe Milan is counting to sign a new creative player, but in 2013 - I don't know who's contract runs out next summer. Maybe it's Eriksen. And in the meantime Seedorf is the solution. It seems very logical to me.
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post May 14 2012, 07:12 AM
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Maybe Milan is counting to sign a new creative player, but in 2013

Makes no sense. why in 2013 and not now, when we're starting a new circle? every else might as well have stayed...

The sole reason that with Seedorf staying any chance of signing what we need to sign goes out of the window ONCE AGAIN, makes me wish he leaves. he said he would, I don't get this sudden U-turn...
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 14 2012, 11:12 AM) *
It's all the curva's fault. where the #10 shirt?

Maybe they were onto something we weren't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) That something being the fact that Seedorf wanted to stay!
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post May 14 2012, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 14 2012, 08:12 AM) *
Makes no sense. why in 2013 and not now, when we're starting a new circle? every else might as well have stayed...

The sole reason that with Seedorf staying any chance of signing what we need to sign goes out of the window ONCE AGAIN, makes me wish he leaves. he said he would, I don't get this sudden U-turn...

It makes perfectly sense if we're after say Eriksen and have an agreement with him. He promised to stay at Ajax one more season and in 2013 we can have him. Monto and Seedorf now, Eriksen in 2013.

I'm not insane, I know we need more then Monto and Seedorf, but that's the way it could be if you ask me.
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post May 14 2012, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 13 2012, 11:27 PM) *
Clear friction? I don't think it's clear one bit. And Seedorf staying would just prove it.


Yes. But it's wrong how you put it. Maybe Milan is counting to sign a new creative player, but in 2013 - I don't know who's contract runs out next summer. Maybe it's Eriksen. And in the meantime Seedorf is the solution. It seems very logical to me.

We always say it's next summer, no next summer something will happen, oh no, maybe the summer after that. It's basically become a broken record of the same events.

I think looking at the situation logically, Seedorf would be the worst of the lot to keep. Simply because he won't accept anything less than an important position in the team. And if the management give him another deal than it would come with a promise of just that.

We need that creative player now, whether Seedorf stays or goes. But in the twisted reality of our management, Clarence is still as good as he was in his 20s so we wouldn't need to get anyone else.

And if you think there isn't any friction between him and Allegri explain why he hasn't even been called up since he was pulled out of that game early and went straight out the tunnel.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 14 2012, 04:38 PM) *
And if you think there isn't any friction between him and Allegri explain why he hasn't even been called up since he was pulled out of that game early and went straight out the tunnel.


And then that's that. Allegri most probably called him against Novara as a farewell match. I honestly don't think he wants him here next season as well.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 14 2012, 04:38 PM) *
We always say it's next summer, no next summer something will happen, oh no, maybe the summer after that. It's basically become a broken record of the same events.

I think looking at the situation logically, Seedorf would be the worst of the lot to keep. Simply because he won't accept anything less than an important position in the team. And if the management give him another deal than it would come with a promise of just that.

We need that creative player now, whether Seedorf stays or goes. But in the twisted reality of our management, Clarence is still as good as he was in his 20s so we wouldn't need to get anyone else.

And if you think there isn't any friction between him and Allegri explain why he hasn't even been called up since he was pulled out of that game early and went straight out the tunnel.

But it's simple:

You say we need creation. Can we pay creation? Only our management knows if we have the money to buy a great potential like Eriksen or someone who's already a star. If we keep Seedorf the answer is - no, we don't have the money. Don't you think our management would rather have a new star then keep dragging on Zee? Allegri also? But to me it seems as if we simply can't buy him now; it's hard to replace 6 senators at once. We must plan. I really don't know, but maybe the management has a plan - this summer we buy a defender and a DM, next summer it's gonna be a AM. Nesta, Bommel and Seedorf are world class players, we cannot expect our management to simply replace them in one summer.

And we can sign all the Montolivo's of the world, that won't make a difference. What we need in terms of creation is quality, not quantity. And quality these days is rare and expensive.

Rift? I really don't know. Allegri hasn't used quite a few players since Fiorentina - Emanuleson, Zambrotta, Mexes and Seedorf all disappeared. In the end, don't you think that Allegri and Seedorf know better then we do? I mean if he stays it will be clear that the rift is surmounted or that the management is sending Max a message. In any way it's good.

And one last thing. Don't say Seedorf is the worst option: in reality, everyone who'd stay would be called the worst option here. People would shout "oh no, Rino, he's barely a player - he's the worst of them all"...I know this mentality pretty well.
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