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acid911
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 10 2013, 04:57 AM) *
Ah, you have to click the little arrow to go to your post. Didn't know that. And yeah, I get it.

Cool. smile.gif

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 10 2013, 04:57 AM) *
Totally agreed.

Cooler. happy.gif
Fillipo Simone
To be quite uncool, I'll say Pippo surely didn't overstay. Bar his constant injuries, he still was a menace; just remember the Real Madrid encounter.

But anyway, I think both Pippo and Clarence would shots in the dark. But since there ain't many experienced coaches who'd likely move to Milan, I'm all for it. I'm really not for outsiders: Allegri, Terim, Zaccheroni, Tabarez - all failed.
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 10 2013, 12:53 PM) *
To be quite uncool, I'll say Pippo surely didn't overstay. Bar his constant injuries, he still was a menace; just remember the Real Madrid encounter.

I know where you are coming from. smile.gif But he had that sight on goal for his last couple of seasons, particularly the last season when he knew things weren't going well with him and Allegri. We surely could have (probably) groomed a younger player in his place.

But compared to Seedorf, Gattuso and Pirlo, yeah Inzaghi did little wrong. Playing in the attack meant that he was nearly not exposed as much as these other guys who had midfield duties. sleep.gif I still remember just how much of a disservice these three did to their names and legacy, but just being clumsy, slow, or stupid during play.

I am not doubting their determination or will to give it there all. It's just that there all came in at 5/10.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 10 2013, 12:53 PM) *
But anyway, I think both Pippo and Clarence would shots in the dark. But since there ain't many experienced coaches who'd likely move to Milan, I'm all for it. I'm really not for outsiders: Allegri, Terim, Zaccheroni, Tabarez - all failed.

Yeah, well not outsiders like these. unsure.gif I just want a proven name, someone that can be classified as a proper coach, a true man manager, team builder, someone that has an identity and give it to the club. Because, well, signing a nobody (even Van Basten) would just be akin to shooting another arrow in the dark.

And that is an experiment, a risk, we can't afford now. No sirree, it may do wonders for us, but there is less than a 10% change of that happening. The team environment, management, lack of seniors, abundance of punks, all these factors combined means it could well be another three four years going in circles.

The best coach is the one that leaves a team in better condition than he acquired it. wink.gif FACT.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (acid911 @ Dec 10 2013, 10:07 AM) *
I know where you are coming from. smile.gif But he had that sight on goal for his last couple of seasons, particularly the last season when he knew things weren't going well with him and Allegri. We surely could have (probably) groomed a younger player in his place.

Probably? I really don't think so. Allegri would have introduced someone younger if we had the talent. But the honest truth with Milan is that we don't have so many talents available. In fact, I can't remember which homegrown striker last was truly good. Paloschi comes close, but his long loan periods do not give me much confidence.

The thing is, I really don't believe veterans hold back things. Especially not Pippo, who wanted only joker status. If young players are really "that" good, they take their place. Like Kaka took Costa's. But other then that I don't fall into the category of people who once tried to convince me that Coco should take Maldini's place or that Seedorf is holding back the incredible talent of Gourcuff.

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But compared to Seedorf, Gattuso and Pirlo, yeah Inzaghi did little wrong. Playing in the attack meant that he was nearly not exposed as much as these other guys who had midfield duties. sleep.gif I still remember just how much of a disservice these three did to their names and legacy, but just being clumsy, slow, or stupid during play.

I think you're being unfair to Rino and Pirlo as well. Pirlo didn't hold us back as well, he just proved to be a unique character and someone who didn't appreciate where he was. Rino, apart from that appalling Jordan/Tottenham incident, didn't do much wrong as well.

But one last thing I want to highlight. You know the last Milan-moment which was truly filled with emotions? When Inzaghi scored. I cried a little.

And that says it all. I'd rather watch another 2 years the lazy fat-*** Seedorf, the Pippo-redux he was in the last months, the aging Zambrotta and Ambrosini the the Muntari's, Niang's, Birsa's, Constant's and Mesbah's we have right now. This was always my approach. Change faded stars? Surely; rejuvenation is necessary and crucial for a consistent stay on top. But changing faded players at all cost is utterly stupid.

And the biggest fault goes on Galliani and our management here. They had the chance to embrace the possibility of players like Nesta, Maldini, Inzaghi, Ambrosini or Seedorf staying and playing long with us here while breeding a whole new bunch of players who'll be ready to train, learn and watch the giants play. The torch would have been passes along smoothly. But no, we had to play with various Grimi's, Mationi's, Datti's and Onyewu's.

Sure, money was the big issue. After all, I haven't invented this; Milan did it a long time ago, when players like Baresi, Tassotti, Ancelotti or Albertini passed the torch along to younger legends in the making.

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Yeah, well not outsiders like these. unsure.gif I just want a proven name, someone that can be classified as a proper coach, a true man manager, team builder, someone that has an identity and give it to the club. Because, well, signing a nobody (even Van Basten) would just be akin to shooting another arrow in the dark.

And that is an experiment, a risk, we can't afford now. No sirree, it may do wonders for us, but there is less than a 10% change of that happening. The team environment, management, lack of seniors, abundance of punks, all these factors combined means it could well be another three four years going in circles.


The thing is, I honestly doubt we could find a proven name today who'd be willing to step in. If Milan had a plan, a project, a long term perspective - maybe. But with these baby steps,..no.

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The best coach is the one that leaves a team in better condition than he acquired it. wink.gif FACT.

Agreed, at least mostly.

Jack Bauer


X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 14 2014, 11:18 PM) *


Duels?

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 14 2014, 11:18 PM) *


Having Allegri in there is an insult.
Fillipo Simone
Haha, seems like Leonardo has been forgotten. Damnatio memoriae.
kurtsimonw
"Legend" gets thrown around a lot, but IMO it's a tag Seedorf deserves.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 15 2014, 12:48 AM) *
"Legend" gets thrown around a lot, but IMO it's a tag Seedorf deserves.


He was a midfield general, only a few in the game have his vision. He is no Ballon d'Or winner, but won the CL with three different teams, four times! If there is anyone who has played at the highest level it is this fella and from a very young age at that. He orchestrated the midfield and linked the play between defense and attack to the T.

When Seedorf is 100%, Milan are a bulldozer of a team. He aged, and that was telling a bit about him, but if he was to put on shorts right now and handle the midfield, he would literally, and I mean literally tongue.gif , bench all the midfielders on our roster.

10 years with Milan, that is certainly deserving of the legend tag cool.gif
Ry4n
I really hope he does well, hes in at the deep end.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 14 2014, 11:27 PM) *
Haha, seems like Leonardo has been forgotten. Damnatio memoriae.


Leo-who? innocent.gif

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 14 2014, 11:48 PM) *
"Legend" gets thrown around a lot, but IMO it's a tag Seedorf deserves.


Agreed.
Ry4n
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 15 2014, 02:09 AM) *
He was a midfield general, only a few in the game have his vision. He is no Ballon d'Or winner, but won the CL with three different teams, four times! If there is anyone who has played at the highest level it is this fella and from a very young age at that. He orchestrated the midfield and linked the play between defense and attack to the T.

When Seedorf is 100%, Milan are a bulldozer of a team. He aged, and that was telling a bit about him, but if he was to put on shorts right now and handle the midfield, he would literally, and I mean literally tongue.gif , bench all the midfielders on our roster.

10 years with Milan, that is certainly deserving of the legend tag cool.gif

+100
TriniKing_CE
Seedorf has confirmed that he will coach Milan:

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/seriea/...an-coach-011414?
X-Offender
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Jan 15 2014, 01:42 AM) *
Seedorf has confirmed that he will coach Milan:

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/seriea/...an-coach-011414?


We know!!!

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TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2014, 07:45 PM) *
We know!!!

tongue.gif



Doh!

...I honestly thought this was the first interview where he himself confirmed it for the media.

My bad!
Fillipo Simone
Weah has a point, that's what X-O argued a long time ago.
servbot
I'm excited to see what happens. I think Clarence will be a fine coach in time, but I am sure there will be a learning curve, and with our current team, there will be struggles.
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 16 2014, 09:21 PM) *
Weah has a point, that's what X-O argued a long time ago.

+2³ wink.gif
X-Offender
At least I know I'm not the only one who feels that way.
il_diavolo_mtl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=x8IXnWxvDY0

I was skeptic, and in many ways still are, but watching how MDS's face lit up and seeing him and training with the boys afterwards... so far so good
kurtsimonw
I desperately want him to succeed.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 18 2014, 03:50 PM) *
I desperately want him to succeed.

I think that's the general feeling of all Milan fans because if he fails, I really don't know where that would leave us
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 18 2014, 06:27 PM) *
I think that's the general feeling of all Milan fans because if he fails, I really don't know where that would leave us


In the shitter.
dst
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 18 2014, 03:27 PM) *
I think that's the general feeling of all Milan fans because if he fails, I really don't know where that would leave us

I feel the exact same way as Kurt but not for the reason you said. I don't understand what you're afraid of, it can't get worse than this! We're not getting relegated. So if he doesn't do well we'll just have to find someone else and it won't be in a worse situation than our current one.

I just really like him and want him to succeed.
Linkman
It will be a hit. Seedorf's as smart as they come, he was basically a second coach in the pitch.

And the motivation he will bring will be huge.
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 18 2014, 06:38 PM) *
I feel the exact same way as Kurt but not for the reason you said. I don't understand what you're afraid of, it can't get worse than this! We're not getting relegated. So if he doesn't do well we'll just have to find someone else and it won't be in a worse situation than our current one.

I just really like him and want him to succeed.

I do as well, but the future of this team is a worry for me, because if Seedorf does fail, and with the management we have who are more worried about their internal power struggle than the good of the team, than we'll be in a terrible position.

Sure, we'll bring in another coach and things will keep moving forward with us as a mid-table club. And that's what scares me
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 18 2014, 03:33 PM) *
In the shitter.


We're there. It's why we've appointed a new coach, to try to get out it.
dst
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 19 2014, 09:13 AM) *
I do as well, but the future of this team is a worry for me, because if Seedorf does fail, and with the management we have who are more worried about their internal power struggle than the good of the team, than we'll be in a terrible position.

Sure, we'll bring in another coach and things will keep moving forward with us as a mid-table club. And that's what scares me

I'm pretty sure Galliani is not going to be with the team next year.

Sadly, I'm getting used to it. sleep.gif
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 19 2014, 07:16 PM) *
I'm pretty sure Galliani is not going to be with the team next year.

Sadly, I'm getting used to it. sleep.gif

I hope you're right

And I'm begrudgingly getting used to it as well but it's still a scary thought to think of the future and still see us in this current awful position
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 19 2014, 11:17 PM) *
I hope you're right

And I'm begrudgingly getting used to it as well but it's still a scary thought to think of the future and still see us in this current awful position


Do you remember Juventus? The season we won the Scudetto? You remember what you called them? How poor they were?

It is not easy, nor is it our best, but it is what it is. A 31 yr old Kaka who is turning 32 is in the general concensus at MF old and the tide will hit him hard with comments about him bring washed up etc ... Just a tad bit of negativity for ya tongue.gif


But look at Juventus now, sometimes you need to reach the bottom of the pits to get that hunger to come back. How long will it take? At least another two years oh us huffing and puffing that oj kush cool.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 19 2014, 10:09 PM) *
Do you remember Juventus? The season we won the Scudetto? You remember what you called them? How poor they were?

It is not easy, nor is it our best, but it is what it is. A 31 yr old Kaka who is turning 32 is in the general concensus at MF old and the tide will hit him hard with comments about him bring washed up etc ... Just a tad bit of negativity for ya tongue.gif


But look at Juventus now, sometimes you need to reach the bottom of the pits to get that hunger to come back. How long will it take? At least another two years oh us huffing and puffing that oj kush cool.gif

Even then Juve had something to look forward to in a brand new stadium which will ensure a much more financially stable future
X-Offender
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 19 2014, 10:09 PM) *
Do you remember Juventus? The season we won the Scudetto? You remember what you called them? How poor they were?

It is not easy, nor is it our best, but it is what it is. A 31 yr old Kaka who is turning 32 is in the general concensus at MF old and the tide will hit him hard with comments about him bring washed up etc ... Just a tad bit of negativity for ya tongue.gif


But look at Juventus now, sometimes you need to reach the bottom of the pits to get that hunger to come back. How long will it take? At least another two years oh us huffing and puffing that oj kush cool.gif


Apples and oranges.

Juve's demise was due to them being relegated. After they returned to Serie A, they continuously invested in new players, but a mix of unintelligent signings and bad coach choices led to some unmemorable seasons.

Instead, we never went to Serie B. We won the CL in 2007, but the lack of passion and funds from our management ultimately led us to where we are right now. Like I said, apples and oranges.
X-Offender
Balotelli: " In Seedorf I see the same grit and desire to win of Mourinho"

Link
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 20 2014, 01:42 AM) *
Even then Juve had something to look forward to in a brand new stadium which will ensure a much more financially stable future


Yes that was my outlook, but yours was different tongue.gif
Ry4n
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 21 2014, 09:51 PM) *
Balotelli: " In Seedorf I see the same grit and desire to win of Mourinho"

Link

I'm glad he has that and no arrogance to go with it he's won it all and now wants to win it all again with the same mentality theres no need to have a Mourinho like chip on your shoulder because hey lets face it he was never a player ,although one of the great a managers he know doubt. Glad he went to Inter and he will never be Milan coach.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Jan 21 2014, 10:31 PM) *
I'm glad he has that and no arrogance to go with it he's won it all and now wants to win it all again with the same mentality theres no need to have a Mourinho like chip on your shoulder because hey lets face it he was never a player ,although one of the great a managers he know doubt. Glad he went to Inter and he will never be Milan coach.


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arivanjj
not sure if this has been posted but damn son...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzCR9mqwvLk
han2503
QUOTE (arivanjj @ Jun 3 2014, 01:34 PM) *
not sure if this has been posted but damn son...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzCR9mqwvLk

Still got it. Should have never gave it up to appease the 2 senile fools running this circus
X-Offender
That goal is the epitome of Clarence's moment.
Ry4n
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acid911
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Jun 7 2014, 08:56 AM) *
England don't have group from hell , Italy are on a dire run, Uruguay are shaky and Costa Rica should be beaten... but here are my predictions !

England vs Italy 1-1 or 2-1 to either side.

England vs Uruguay 2-2

England vs Costa rica 3-0

And what has all that got to do with Seedorf, man? laugh.gif tongue.gif
Ry4n
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jun 7 2014, 07:58 AM) *
And what has all that got to do with Seedorf, man? laugh.gif tongue.gif

posted in the wrong thread haha thats what happens when your out all night and post at 6am! tongue.gif

Moved it to World Cup thread XD
acid911
Haha, that's what I thought mate. biggrin.gif happy.gif And yeah, I know the feeling full well. I'm up all night, most days of the week, and I've learned to just hit the sack and leave computers for the next day.

No harm done, though, hehe, but I do feel your enthusiasm for the English NT.
kurtsimonw
Seedorf scored a hat-trick in the 2014 Soccer Aid game last night.

1st

2nd

3rd

Another former Milan man, Jaap Stam, got Man of the Match. Sheva also played. Davids did too, he looked awful and lost the ball everytime he touched it, also pretty much punched a celebrity player.
Danny
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 9 2014, 01:39 PM) *
Seedorf scored a hat-trick in the 2014 Soccer Aid game last night.

1st

2nd

3rd

Another former Milan man, Jaap Stam, got Man of the Match. Sheva also played. Davids did too, he looked awful and lost the ball everytime he touched it, also pretty much punched a celebrity player.


Jonathan Wilkes is not a celebrity wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 9 2014, 03:44 PM) *
Jonathan Wilkes is not a celebrity wink.gif

Well, by definition he is, regardless of how crap.
drucurl
so he's been sacked
what a disgustingly classless shambled excuse of a club dry.gif
even $#!tlegr¡ was thanked for his contribution
mishie
Seedorf has also been removed form Milan's hall of fame....classy move guys!
kurtsimonw
WTF!?
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