Hahaha how much are votes going for?

That was my point in responding to Fillipo. Stats are facts, but they need a context. Saying Messi has a better games:goals ratio is ridiculous because he's only ever played for an elite team. Saying Ronaldo's Madrid record is better than Messi's Barca record is equally as bad.

As JB said, people have their own opinion and reasons, not sure why people keep starting this over.

And don't blame me. I mentioned Ronaldo's record, but I didn't even mention or compare it to Messi in any way to start this off!

That's actually remarkable. I didn't note this.

The penalty argument is interesting. For example we already have our official website saying how Il Pharoah has had a better start to the league than last season's Capocannoniere Zlatan. And this is with Zlatan having scored 2 goals off penalties.

Hehe, a million US$ here and there. In cash, of course! Seriously though, this CRON vs Messi debate has been going on for so long (not just here, but on the Interweb) that it probably could be a lucrative side business. I mean, the two couldn't be more different, physically, or the style that they play.

Just as a side-not, Jack Bauer answered for me, good post

But let's stop here or transfer the discussion to the Primera thread.

It's not so much about the league as it is about the teams. Real Madrid and Barçe are so superior. They wouldn't score such amounts for Valencia or Juventus.

True.

But you know posting his stats will start the Ronaldo vs Messi debate again, you just instigate the argument under-handedly because you secretly love to have it

That might be the case too. But I remember how for example someone like Oliveira was a goal machine in a "small" team in Spain and here at Milan couldn't cut it.

Mourinho recalling a certain CL game with Mario:

“I could write a book of 200 pages of my two years at Inter with Mario, but the book would not be a drama – it would be a comedy,” the tactician noted.

“I remember one time when we went to play Kazan in the Champions League. In that match I had all my strikers injured. No Diego Milito, no Samuel Eto’o, I was really in trouble and Mario was the only one.

“Mario got a yellow card in the 42nd minute, so when I got to the dressing room at half-time I spend about 14 minutes of the 15 available speaking only to Mario.

“I said to him: ‘Mario, I cannot change you, I have no strikers on the bench, so don’t touch anybody and play only with the ball. If we lose the ball no reaction. If someone provokes you, no reaction, if the referee makes a mistake, no reaction.'

“The 46th minute – red card!”

It happens every single time on here whenever you mention anything positive about Ronaldo. I joke about it but it always happens. I'll give the Messi fanboys something, they really love that little man, so much anything competitive about his main rival has to be counteracted, certainly on here.

How posting Ronaldo stats instigates this I do not know, especially when it's the same people replying mentioning directly the debate from this who claim to hate it.

Gotta love Mario

That's funny as hell!

Gold.

I love Mario hahaha

Best personality in football. Hahaha

Pathetic excuse of a human. Top comedy stuff, though, if he's not in your team.

Geez, that's such harsh judgment coming from someone as yin as yourself.

No really, I have no soft feelings for people who are so into themselves that they forget that there are other people in this world. They may be footballers, celebrities, even people I know in real life. I just assign them the grade 'B'. Yes, I have my very own personal grading system:

A+ - Inspirational people, the peak of everything good in humanity
A - Most good, honest, hardworking fun-loving folks
B - People who are full of themselves inside out, pricks in general, without a care for others
C - Corrupt souls, most politicians, people in power who unknowingly affect lives in a negative way
D - Vile, ugly individuals, murderers, evil personified

I had already explained this I recall (in the movies thread, I reckon, something about Colin Farrel) that while I find no reason to hate any celebrity, no matter how good or bad a person they are, it's their choice after all. But those that do conduct themselves better in life, have earned that extra distinction, as far as I am concerned.

Through it all though, you won't find me as a personality-worshiper, however. Even the best people I know and love (or am a fan of in general), I understand they can make a mistake, that is what humanity is all about. And there are things and emotions above humanity - humanity is just a reference point. That's my yin.

And that's on reason why I don't want Balotelli in Milan, he'll be a bigger shipwreck than Cassano. The guy battled so much adversity early on in life, and rose above other young players through his talent. Why waste it, by being lazy or crazy or stupid? Deliberately or otherwise. It's a one in a million opportunity, make the most of it.

Gee, now you've got me talking deep philosophy in the CL thread. Way to go Max!

Agreed. It's fun as long as it's a story related to Inter, not to us.

True, man. There's a thing such as sheer class, grace, sportsmanship and sportsman spirit. Some people are born with it, some earn it, others are lucky enough to stumble into all these great things. Vice versa, there are people who can't make out these values, even if they hit them on their head. They just can't.

One would think living in a country such as England, playing in one of the biggest teams, and getting the exposure he does, Balotelli would strive to be a better man, any and every way he can. But no. From his episodes in the Inter shirt, to his ugly (albeit comedic) exploits in Manchester City, the only word I can associate with him is ungrateful. With his devil-may-care attitude, and lack of 100% effort during matches, he's just laying waste to his talents. To the point that no matter what he achieves, the question that what could have been will always pop up.

I'd hardly call myself a fan of either CRON/Messi, but at least they carry themselves as professionals. Any and all times (save for a few honest mistakes). With Balotelli, I'll just label his shenanigans as 'childish', nothing more nothing less. And for this reason alone, I wish he stays out of Milan, he'll just be a problem child here, what with the crisis we are having as a club.

Seems like Shakhtar will take the first place in this group. Owning Chelsea right now.

Juve are behind vs Nordsjælland. EDIT 1:1.

ajax leading man city 2-1

make that 3



now dortmund 2-1 madrid.

scores stay the same. dortmund 6 points clear of man city. gotta be happy with that.

LOL @ Man City. they seem to be Europa league bound again

Well done to Dortmund and Schalke. German league deserves more CL spots than Italian league alright.

If all the Italian league has to offer is a depleated Milan and a Juventus who bullies the rest of Serie A but is timid at best in Europe than I'd have to PAINFULLY agree with you.

It's so sad and disheartening to see what Serie A has become simply because of the Italian backwards mentality that plagues not only all the Italian clubs but the league federation as a whole as well.

Great result for the world of football.

Mancini has never been a CL coach has he? In a lot of ways he is the anti-Carlo. Truth is now that he's not merda I kinda like him.

I never really disliked him, even when he was at Inter. Their failures pre-calciopoli were funny, but he was never annoying when they were winning.

I don't dislike him either. would even welcome him at Milan.

Really? You guys surprise me. A man who has Lazio and Inter in his heart and isn't called Crespo is more then not just welcome if you ask me.

*cough* Favalli *cough*

I don't think Favalli cared that much about Inter.

This

They practically threw him away..

Does Mancio have Inter in his heart though? (I'm actually asking!)

IMO, if he ever agrees to join Milan, it means he doesn't. like Carlo who has always said he wouldn't coach Inter because of his Milan past.

Zlatan with 4 assists today.

The ref screwed City.

That evens out teh Dortmund game at least.

Huh? How? What does one have to do with the other?

And I don't even like Mourinho, but I found his comment priceless. Apparently the journos asked him to explain the empty seats in the stadium and his response was, "So now I'm responsible for the economic crisis?!"

Seriously, the Spanish media can be so inane, it is ridiculous.

I never said it does. But it's justice still.


It's like Madrid fans are so used to winning they don't care about some group stage game, unthinkable!

Yeah..but how is it justice was what I meant to ask. Man City, Dortmund, Madrid, I don't get the connection.

Nah..I think the journos were sort of trying to bring up the Mourinho football is boring football point.

Man City had a ref help them vs Dortmund
Man City had a ref screw them vs Ajax

It was in the same group, so it's evened out the luck for City. Why are you even getting into this.

Ah god! No man...I just didn't understand the context. Thought I had missed out on a story esp when you brought up justice. I kept thinking about the Madrid match against Dortmund yesterday, whereas you were speaking about City's match against Dortmund! LOL!

The biggest reason why City missed out on 5 points against Ajax is their extremely amatueristic way of defending corners.

Should look first at themselves. Then maybe more luck next time. Yaya Toure is lucky to not gotten red also can be told.

I don't like this J-Pop girl as much as your earlier ones Chu-Lip. Could be coz of the cropping. Why don't you put some on your signature as well?

lol. it's the same girl

Meh! Ignore me then!

The 2nd one was a great run and header which is a little harder to defend. But that 1st goal is so pathetic. Nobody reacted to the 2nd ball at all, everyone in blue just stood there.

Yeah Jong did run for the header but Toure's marking... Oh man.. Can a defender just give up midway?