kurtsimonw
Aug 17 2010, 01:28 AM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 17 2010, 12:57 AM)

If that rule is implemented, it'll kill off soccer in this country once and for all.
I think the opposite.
The main complaints from the US regarding the sport are almost certainly:
*not enough goals/excitement (shootouts guarentee both).
*"A TIE!? THEY PLAY 90 MINUTES AND NOBODY WINS!? WTF!?" (these rules would get rid of 'ties'.)
Dracoris
Aug 17 2010, 03:54 AM
The ratio of goals to ghost goals in overtime would be so small its not even worth mentioning. I think you're a little paranoid there Kurt
If anything is to change, Golden Goal would be the only thing I'd accept, though I am fine with the way things are and would prefer it remain that way.
Bluesummers
Aug 17 2010, 05:06 AM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 16 2010, 05:57 PM)

If that rule is implemented, it'll kill off soccer in this country once and for all.
No it wouldn't, soccer is huge in the North America. Its by far the most funded, most played sport in North America. Here in canada, where hockey dominates, the number of participants in soccer is double that to hockey and people here don't even watch soccer.
The usa is no different. The amount of participants in soccer is more than all other sports.
North America is going to be a powerhouse for soccer in the future.
MLS is starting to take shape with more teams joining in. It has a very balanced structure that ables it to maintain the league for a long time unlike europe, which is based on how patient the banks are willing to be.
NASL and USL Premiere are adding teams as well. (Thats MLS div 2) The growth in soccer in north america is huge.
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Locke Lamora
Aug 17 2010, 01:44 PM
Huge? They can't even spell the thing properly...
Bluesummers
Aug 17 2010, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Aug 17 2010, 06:44 AM)

Huge? They can't even spell the thing properly...
Well thats a given. They probably can't even spell barack obama properly.
servbot
Aug 17 2010, 11:33 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 16 2010, 06:01 PM)

You say that now, but every football fan in the US went on for ages about the bad decisions that went against you in the WC. They ultimately didn't even mean anything either, imagine being knocked out on a golden goal that shouldn't have counted? It just gives the referee's more chance of costing a team the game.
The more the game is taken out of the refs hands, the better.
First, weren't you the one going on for ages about a bad decision going against you in the WC??
Second, what difference would it make if the goal that shouldn't have counted was a golden goal, or a goal in extra time? It's still very unlikely to comeback from it anyhow, and it would eliminate one major US-based complaint, which is the injury faking and stalling, which happens more often in extra time when someone is ahead, than in regular time.
Hockey plays just fine with a sudden death OT. It's pretty exciting knowing a match could be over at any second.
QUOTE ('bluesummers')
Well thats a given. They probably can't even spell barack obama properly.
Sigh. I think you're right.
kurtsimonw
Aug 17 2010, 11:37 PM
QUOTE (servbot @ Aug 17 2010, 11:33 PM)

First, weren't you the one going on for ages about a bad decision going against you in the WC??
Yes? I fail to see your point? I'm the one that
doesn't want Golden Goal, I want the game out of the refs hands, so I don't see what you're getting at here.
QUOTE (servbot @ Aug 17 2010, 11:33 PM)

Second, what difference would it make if the goal that shouldn't have counted was a golden goal, or a goal in extra time?
That's pretty straightforward really. If a ref makes a horrid mistake and you go out, you're out. If he makes a horrid mistake and it's just regular ET, you've a chance to comeback at the very least.
QUOTE (servbot @ Aug 17 2010, 11:33 PM)

Hockey plays just fine with a sudden death OT. It's pretty exciting knowing a match could be over at any second.
It's a completely different sport. Plus any debatable goals are reviewed, unlike football.
servbot
Aug 18 2010, 12:01 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 17 2010, 05:37 PM)

Yes? I fail to see your point? I'm the one that doesn't want Golden Goal, I want the game out of the refs hands, so I don't see what you're getting at here.
You made it sound as if complaining incessantly about refs is germane to American fans.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 17 2010, 05:37 PM)

It's a completely different sport. Plus any debatable goals are reviewed, unlike football.
Well the obvious answer is to review debatable goals, no? I'm not familiar with how these things work, but IFAB (?) is reviewing this topic in October, from what I read awhile back. In the very least they will come up with a goal-line ref.
kurtsimonw
Aug 18 2010, 02:17 AM
QUOTE (servbot @ Aug 18 2010, 12:01 AM)

You made it sound as if complaining incessantly about refs is germane to American fans.
I was just using you as an example because you were 1) for Golden goal and 2) Complained about (irrelevant) decisions that went against you. The point was, how do you think you'd feel if you actually went out because of a Golden goal or other horrible decision? It's not very nice knowing you went out of a World Cup based on the stupidity of one man, I would know.
QUOTE (servbot @ Aug 18 2010, 12:01 AM)

Well the obvious answer is to review debatable goals, no? I'm not familiar with how these things work, but IFAB (?) is reviewing this topic in October, from what I read awhile back. In the very least they will come up with a goal-line ref.
You say it's obvious, I say it's obvious, my dog knows it's obvious. But this
is FIFA were talking about, the same governing body whos head came out with "Football is better with mistakes". Obvious and logic is not something they can compute.
MizNelson
Oct 12 2010, 07:18 PM
IFFHS voted - hold your breath - St. Gigi as the top keeper of the last decade. Dida finished sixth, which to me seems fair considering how up and down he was from '05 onward.
How on earth did Barthez make the top ten, though?
1.Gianluigi Buffon
2.Iker Casillas
3.Petr Cech
4.Oliver Rolf Kahn
5.Edwin van der Sar
6.Nelson Dida
7.Jens Lehmann
8.Roberto Abbondanzieri
9.Fabien Barthez
10.Rogerio Ceni
kurtsimonw
Oct 12 2010, 07:46 PM
Not a bad list as it doesn't only contain players from the big clubs. Still a bit poor though.
X-Offender
Oct 12 2010, 08:48 PM
Jens Lehmann?
Bluesummers
Oct 14 2010, 09:56 AM
NO ABBIATI!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME! THE GREAT ABBIATI DOESN'T EVEN MAKE THIS LIST!????/
IFFHS has lost all credibilty.
Zed.D
Oct 14 2010, 10:28 AM
Peter Cech above Kahn and VdS?! I can't agree with that!
EDIT: and I'm not sure why Toldo isn't there...
kurtsimonw
Oct 16 2010, 11:27 PM
QUOTE
Two Fifa officials have offered to sell their votes in the contest to host the 2018 World Cup, according to a Sunday Times report. The newspaper has video footage in which Nigerian Amos Adamu, a Fifa executive committee member, appears to ask for £500,000.
This is completely against Fifa rules.
And Oceania Football Confederation president Reynald Temarii, wanted money for a sports academy for his vote, which will take place on 2 December.
England are competing to host the tournament in eight years time, as well as Russia and joint bids from Spain and Portugal and Holland and Belgium.
A 24-strong committee will decide by secret ballot who should host the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.
The footage, filmed by undercover Sunday Times journalists, shows Adamu wanting money to be paid to him directly for endorsing a bid.
The reporters had posed as lobbyists for a United States bid. The US decided on Friday to withdraw from the running for the 2018 World Cup and instead concentrate on the 2022 competition.
In the video, Adamu was asked whether the money for a "private project" would have an effect on the way he voted, he replied: "Obviously, it will have an effect. of course it will. Because certainly if you are to invest in that, that means you also want the vote."
Fifa has so far not responded to the allegations.
BBC Oh well.
Russia 2018 it is.
kurtsimonw
Oct 22 2010, 07:21 AM
Jack Sparrow
Oct 22 2010, 09:25 AM

Scolari and Benitez above Carlo. Wenger on top??
Bluesummers
Oct 22 2010, 10:11 AM
that list is just plain stupid. I'm not going to say mourinho should be at the top but wenger?

What is based on transfer market performance history?
CHU-LIP
Oct 22 2010, 10:21 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 22 2010, 08:21 AM)

+1
Not even the spelling is accurate.
X-Offender
Oct 22 2010, 11:43 PM
Wenger?? OMG! The guy hasn't won sh!t in the last five years! Pathetic.
Ry4n
Oct 23 2010, 12:33 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 22 2010, 10:21 AM)

Locke Lamora
Oct 23 2010, 12:42 AM
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Oct 23 2010, 01:33 AM)

yeah pretty bad list overall and wheres Brian Clough thats just downright disrespectful

Brian Clough hasn't managed for nearly two decades sweetie.
As for the list... does anyone actually take this seriously? It's IFFHS guys...
Bluesummers
Oct 23 2010, 12:42 AM
brian clough wouldn't be included because its from 2000-2009
X-Offender
Oct 23 2010, 12:51 AM
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Oct 23 2010, 01:42 AM)

Brian Clough hasn't managed for nearly two decades sweetie.

pwned.
Ry4n
Oct 23 2010, 12:52 AM

my bad im gunna go sit in the corner of my room now later
Ry4n
Oct 23 2010, 12:52 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 23 2010, 03:51 AM)

pwned.
yep
Ry4n
Oct 23 2010, 01:00 AM
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Oct 23 2010, 03:42 AM)

Brian Clough hasn't managed for nearly two decades sweetie.
As for the list... does anyone actually take this seriously? It's IFFHS guys...
and hes passed away sadly
Locke Lamora
Oct 23 2010, 01:06 AM
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Oct 23 2010, 02:00 AM)

and hes passed away sadly

Noticed that, did you?
Ry4n
Oct 23 2010, 01:08 AM
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Oct 23 2010, 04:06 AM)

Noticed that, did you?
just thought i'd add it to the end of your text....smart ***
Fishdoll
Oct 26 2010, 11:58 AM
(from eurosport)
QUOTE
Paul the Octopus dies
Stefan Porwoll, general manager of the Oberhausen Sea Life centre from where Paul made his predictions, confirmed the news.
"He died last night, a peaceful and natural death," Porwoll said.
Paul, who was born in 2008 in the English town of Weymouth, correctly predicted the winner of all seven of Germany's matches at this summer's World Cup in South Africa, then went on to correctly choose Spain over the Netherlands before the final.
During the World Cup, Paul made his predictions by choosing between two feed boxes each bearing the flag of one of the two nations involved in the next match.
Time and again his predictions came true, turning him into a global sensation who attracted big money offers to buy him after the tournament.
Yet the Oberhausen Sea Life centre insisted on keeping their star attraction, and are devastated at the news of his passing.
"We all loved him and we all will truly miss him," added Porwoll.
kurtsimonw
Oct 26 2010, 12:50 PM
Nooooo!
Zed.D
Oct 27 2010, 03:47 PM
So... what do you guys think about the Ballon d'Or nominations?! I'm surprised that it hasn't been discussed yet (or has it?).
I just can't wrap my head around one thing: what were the idiots at France Football thinking when they decided Milito had not done enough to be on the list?!
Ballon d'Or just lost a bit of its credibility as far as I'm concerned...
CHU-LIP
Oct 27 2010, 03:49 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 27 2010, 04:47 PM)

So... what do you guys think about the Ballon d'Or nominations?! I'm surprised that it hasn't been discussed yet (or has it?).
I just can't wrap my head around one thing: what were the idiots at France Football thinking when they decided Milito had not done enough to be on the list?!
Ballon d'Or just lost a bit of its credibility as far as I'm concerned...
It depends... feel bothered to share that list? I mean, if you want us to discuss it...
X-Offender
Oct 27 2010, 04:19 PM
World Player of the Year nominees:
Xabi Alonso (Spain), Daniel Alves (Brazil), Iker Casillas (Spain), Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal), Didier Drogba (Ivory Coast), Samuel Eto'o (Cameroon), Cesc Fabregas (Spain), Diego Forlan (Uruguay), Asamoah Gyan (Ghana), Andres Iniesta (Spain), Julio Cesar (Brazil), Miroslav Klose (Germany), Philipp Lahm (Germany), Maicon (Brazil), Lionel Messi (Argentina), Thomas Muller (Germany), Mesut Ozil (Germany), Carles Puyol (Spain), Arjen Robben (Holland), Bastian Schweinsteiger (Germany), Wesley Sneijder (Holland), David Villa (Spain) and Xavi (Spain).
World Coach of the Year nominees:
Carlo Ancelotti (Chelsea), Vicente del Bosque (Spain), Sir Alex Ferguson (Manchester United), Pep Guardiola (Barcelona), Joachim Low (Germany), Jose Mourinho (Inter Milan/Real Madrid), Oscar Tabarez (Uruguay), Louis Van Gaal (Bayern Munich), Bert van Marwijk (Holland) and Arsene Wenger (Arsenal).
I was also surprised at the absence of Milito. I guess being benched in the Word Cup and the awful start of the season with Inter payed their part. As for the winner, I'm undecided between Sneijder and Iniesta. I think Sneijder deserves it more for what he's done this year, but the milanista part of me wants Iniesta to win. Coach of the year should go to Mourinho, no doubt.
CHU-LIP
Oct 27 2010, 04:27 PM
Too long list to leave out Milito for sure, yes. Mourinho and Sneijder IMO.
Fillipo Simone
Oct 27 2010, 05:35 PM
Yep, agree. It was Inters year.
han2503
Oct 27 2010, 06:34 PM
I think the WC win will overshadow Inter. So it can easily be a Spanish player and Del Bosque going home with the titles
Fillipo Simone
Oct 27 2010, 06:39 PM
Which one? If it goes to a Spanish player, I just can see Iniesta or Casillas winning it.
CHU-LIP
Oct 27 2010, 06:51 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2010, 07:34 PM)

I think the WC win will overshadow Inter. So it can easily be a Spanish player and Del Bosque going home with the titles
Mourinho won the treble though, that's really strong. Same goes for Sneijder who played also the WC final - and played a key role during the WC, that's very strong.
Bluesummers
Oct 27 2010, 09:32 PM
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Oct 26 2010, 04:58 AM)

"Diego Maradona" Twitter Account:“I am happy your psychic octopus is gone, it's your fault we lost the World Cup,”
-twitter
LaPalma
Oct 27 2010, 09:47 PM
Classic Maradona
The award will go to a spanish player for sure. It's an unwritten rule that it goes to a World Cup winner.
Zed.D
Oct 27 2010, 09:53 PM
In that case I'd give it to Xavi...
kurtsimonw
Oct 27 2010, 11:19 PM
Toss up between Iniesta and Villa, in my opinion. Think it'll go to Iniesta.
kurtsimonw
Oct 28 2010, 12:22 PM
In unsurprising fashion, The Sun seemingly feels England shuld just stop football altogether seeing as for the first time ever we had nobody selected for World Player of the Year.
They're putting too much stock in it really, because there's too much of an emphasis on the World Cup. Rooney was outstanding in the league, but was terrible at the World Cup. Yet a player like Klose who couldn't outscore Emile Heskey at league level last season, but because he had a few half decent World cup games, gets in the list.
X-Offender
Oct 28 2010, 02:11 PM
It looks like Paul the Octopus has been dead since 9 July, and that the Germans replaced him with a sosia when predicting the final. So, after all, it looks like Paul wasn't that much of a guesser, but simply all cephalopods are attracted to the red color.
Link
Zed.D
Oct 29 2010, 11:37 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 28 2010, 02:52 PM)

In unsurprising fashion, The Sun seemingly feels England shuld just stop football altogether seeing as for the first time ever we had nobody selected for World Player of the Year.
They're putting too much stock in it really, because there's too much of an emphasis on the World Cup. Rooney was outstanding in the league, but was terrible at the World Cup. Yet a player like Klose who couldn't outscore Emile Heskey at league level last season, but because he had a few half decent World cup games, gets in the list.
Agreed.
It's ridiculous how they completely ignored the league and CL performances (particularly) and chose the nominees based on a couple of world cup performances - especially when you think the quality level of world cup was arguably way below the CL.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 28 2010, 04:41 PM)

It looks like Paul the Octopus has been dead since 9 July, and that the Germans replaced him with a sosia when predicting the final. So, after all, it looks like Paul wasn't that much of a guesser, but simply all cephalopods are attracted to the red color.
LinkI don't understand Italian and am not in the mood to google translate it. is this a conspiracy theory?
X-Offender
Oct 29 2010, 11:45 AM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 29 2010, 12:37 PM)

I don't understand Italian and am not in the mood to google translate it. is this a conspiracy theory?
Learn Italian and you'll find out.
Well, a Chinese guy is making a movie about Paul titled "Who killed octopus Paul?", and he came up with the theory that Paul has been dead since July. The Germans never told the truth because otherwise people would think that cephalopods are just attracted to the red color, and Paul didn't have any "special powers".
CHU-LIP
Oct 29 2010, 11:56 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 29 2010, 12:45 PM)

Well, a Chinese guy is making a movie about Paul titled "Who killed octopus Paul?''
Diego Maradona
Zed.D
Oct 29 2010, 11:58 AM
I will, only after I've learned French

A Chinese guy? not sure why I'd want to believe him anyway unless he comes up with good proofs. I don't think Paul had any powers. he was just a puppet doing what his owners wanted him to do. credit to the person or the team that predicted the results though!
servbot
Nov 19 2010, 06:58 PM
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