"City and PSG won't be excluded from Europe" Platini on them breaking FFP
What's the point of FFP then? I think something that's going unnoticed is that FFP is really taking the game away from the fans. Ticket prices are having to go up and up every year for teams to try and comply, especially as some leagues have their own FFP now, and the fans can't afford it.
FIFA and UEFA are desperate to make football into advertising. Ensuring the top clubs get there all the time and having businessmen sitting in all the seats.
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First season since 03/04 that neither European Final will have a club from England.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 30 2014, 09:52 PM) 
First season since 03/04 that neither European Final will have a club from England.
Really? Wow!
'Wow' indeed.
I think the better term would be, "phew" rather than "wow"
One way to put it. 
So FFP is basically none exisistant in the sense that it's not for the betterment of football, just another way for the rich at UEFA to make more money.
The mega rich clubs don't care about a £50m fine. It's essentially saying if youre rich enough, you don't have to play by the rules. Allowing only the rich to get better. Classic UEFA.
The mega rich clubs don't care about a £50m fine. It's essentially saying if youre rich enough, you don't have to play by the rules. Allowing only the rich to get better. Classic UEFA.
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Sorry, Man City and PSG have been fined £50m for breaching the FFP rules.
It would have been enforced harder if the French teams weren't doing it.
Where's that money going to?
Where's that money going to?
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 6 2014, 11:34 AM)
Sorry, Man City and PSG have been fined £50m for breaching the FFP rules.
No, I understood that, my comment was meant as "well, what a surprise!"
I'd say it's an adequate punishment, for now. £50m fine, restricted to register only 21 players in the next CL, salaries cannot be increased. This is the first monitoring period, the punishments weren't going to be super-severe. And no matter how you look at it, £50m is a lot of money, even for City and PSG.
It's 0.1% of the owners net worth. It's really not a big deal to City. It would be like me being fined less than 1p.
If I'm not wrong the fine is not to the owners but to the club. So theoretically doesn't this impact on their balance sheet as an expense? Doesn't it further squeeze them for the next year budget-wise.
Finally, as an initial rap on the knuckles, this is good enough since it comes with other sanctions as well. Imagine if we got a 50 million fine!
Finally, as an initial rap on the knuckles, this is good enough since it comes with other sanctions as well. Imagine if we got a 50 million fine!
The none-fine punishments might actually hurt them. Having a squad of 21 with also having to have 8 home grown might make it difficult, that's only 13 none-home grown players.
This season for City, for example, they have: Pantilimon, Zabaletta, Kompany, Demichelis, Nastasic, Clichy, Kolorov, Javi Garcia, Fernandinho, Toure, Nasri, Silva, Navas, Negredo, Aguero, Dzeko, Jovetic - that's 17 players.
This season for City, for example, they have: Pantilimon, Zabaletta, Kompany, Demichelis, Nastasic, Clichy, Kolorov, Javi Garcia, Fernandinho, Toure, Nasri, Silva, Navas, Negredo, Aguero, Dzeko, Jovetic - that's 17 players.
But kurt, 0.1% of a persons networth does not mean the person wants to shoulder the liability by himself. That 50M will hit City's bottom line and not the owner.
The owner in this case is not allowed to put in 50M from his own pocket to cover the fine, City's operating income will suffer as a concequence and hence put a dent in their cash flow.
50M is a lot of money, teams could go bankrupt if fined such amounts.
Going forward, next years revision, if no improvement is shown by the fined clubs stricter punishments will come about.
The owner in this case is not allowed to put in 50M from his own pocket to cover the fine, City's operating income will suffer as a concequence and hence put a dent in their cash flow.
50M is a lot of money, teams could go bankrupt if fined such amounts.
Going forward, next years revision, if no improvement is shown by the fined clubs stricter punishments will come about.
Came across this recently:
Further proof that Materazzi is human scum.
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South Korea World Cup hero Ahn Jung-Hwan recalls racist slurs during time with Perugia in Italy
In an interview on a South Korean television talk show Tuesday night, Ahn, 36, alleged that Perugia's then skipper Materazzi had been particularly intimidating.
"He barged into the locker room one day and barked at me in front of everyone, saying that I reeked of garlic," Ahn said.
"I didn't understand what he was saying but the translator, who was also a Korean, blushed and, at first, was too embarrassed to translate the remarks," he added.
Ahn's wife, a former Miss Korea beauty queen, told the same talk show that her husband was so intimidated that he stopped eating garlic-heavy Korean food.
Materazzi is no stranger to controversy.
Notoriously, taunting by the defender provoked a head-butt from French star Zinedine Zidane on him during the 2006 World Cup final, which resulted in a red card for Zidane before Italy went on to lift the title.
Ahn joined AC Perugia in 2000, but the move was not a happy one and ended in controversy.
After Ahn scored the golden goal against Italy that put South Korea through to the quarter-finals of the 2002 World Cup, Perugia owner Luciano Gaucci cancelled his contract.
Gaucci was quoted as saying he had "no intention of paying a salary to someone who has ruined Italian football".
Ahn said he had always been treated as "an outcast" by other players in the Italian club side.
"They seldom passed the ball to me in front of goal, even if they had no way for themselves to score," he said.
After leaving Italy, Ahn went on to play in Japan, France, Germany, South Korea and China. He retired in January last year.
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In an interview on a South Korean television talk show Tuesday night, Ahn, 36, alleged that Perugia's then skipper Materazzi had been particularly intimidating.
"He barged into the locker room one day and barked at me in front of everyone, saying that I reeked of garlic," Ahn said.
"I didn't understand what he was saying but the translator, who was also a Korean, blushed and, at first, was too embarrassed to translate the remarks," he added.
Ahn's wife, a former Miss Korea beauty queen, told the same talk show that her husband was so intimidated that he stopped eating garlic-heavy Korean food.
Materazzi is no stranger to controversy.
Notoriously, taunting by the defender provoked a head-butt from French star Zinedine Zidane on him during the 2006 World Cup final, which resulted in a red card for Zidane before Italy went on to lift the title.
Ahn joined AC Perugia in 2000, but the move was not a happy one and ended in controversy.
After Ahn scored the golden goal against Italy that put South Korea through to the quarter-finals of the 2002 World Cup, Perugia owner Luciano Gaucci cancelled his contract.
Gaucci was quoted as saying he had "no intention of paying a salary to someone who has ruined Italian football".
Ahn said he had always been treated as "an outcast" by other players in the Italian club side.
"They seldom passed the ball to me in front of goal, even if they had no way for themselves to score," he said.
After leaving Italy, Ahn went on to play in Japan, France, Germany, South Korea and China. He retired in January last year.
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Further proof that Materazzi is human scum.
That's nothing really. How is that racist? Even if he didn't smell like garlic, and I have no reason to presume either way, that's not a race issue.
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 19 2014, 05:58 PM)
That's nothing really. How is that racist? Even if he didn't smell like garlic, and I have no reason to presume either way, that's not a race issue.
Does it matter? End line is: Materazzi is an a-hole. He kept mocking the poor guy, and was the main instigator in Ahn's outcasting from the rest of the team.
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 19 2014, 06:58 PM)
That's nothing really. How is that racist? Even if he didn't smell like garlic, and I have no reason to presume either way, that's not a race issue.
Actually it is a racial slur used against Koreans. And Materazzi is scumbag.
People who say things like that are assholes. People who get offended by that need to grow the F up and get over themselves. What next? Me, Ash and Danny take han to court because he's called British people "lobsters" that he's seen holidaying, and getting sunburned, in Malta? That's mocking our skin, han, you racist. I'm calling the internet police!
Some words obviously have some serious historical connotations and that's different. But Christ all of this race card **** is getting annoying.
Some words obviously have some serious historical connotations and that's different. But Christ all of this race card **** is getting annoying.
My questioning Pato and Suarez' psychological stability was offensive, lobster is apparently offensive, garlic is offensive to Koreans now.
I have to admit this world has not adapted well to the varied use of language, and everything and anything that could be deemed derogatory is, whether it really was or not.
PC is excessive, and the world is just too sensitive now.
I have to admit this world has not adapted well to the varied use of language, and everything and anything that could be deemed derogatory is, whether it really was or not.
PC is excessive, and the world is just too sensitive now.
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Is anyone one on here a member at: http://www.soccershouts.com/
...previously Soccer Pulse (if I'm not mistaken - at least so I was told)
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I just signed up with my same username, but I'm yet to navigate around as yet.
Is anyone one on here a member at: http://www.soccershouts.com/
...previously Soccer Pulse (if I'm not mistaken - at least so I was told)
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I just signed up with my same username, but I'm yet to navigate around as yet.
I used to use soccerpulse for a lot of football videos, was a shame when it went down, thanks for posting about this new one.
I don't think our (meaning people who never historically faced questions of race and racism) stances on racism matters. I've never experienced racism personally, some discrimination perhaps, so I don't find myself called upon when such questions pop up. I think it would be wiser to hold back.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 30 2014, 01:36 PM)
I don't think our (meaning people who never historically faced questions of race and racism) stances on racism matters. I've never experienced racism personally, some discrimination perhaps, so I don't find myself called upon when such questions pop up. I think it would be wiser to hold back.
Mine could, as I'm technically a minority who grew up abused based on it. But it doesn't alter my stance that people are just too sensitive now.
But it's better to be too sensitive the insensitive, no?
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 30 2014, 10:22 AM)
I used to use soccerpulse for a lot of football videos, was a shame when it went down, thanks for posting about this new one.
No probs.
Let me know if you join, and how it goes for you.
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 30 2014, 03:13 PM)
My questioning Pato and Suarez' psychological stability was offensive, lobster is apparently offensive, garlic is offensive to Koreans now.
I have to admit this world has not adapted well to the varied use of language, and everything and anything that could be deemed derogatory is, whether it really was or not.
PC is excessive, and the world is just too sensitive now.
I have to admit this world has not adapted well to the varied use of language, and everything and anything that could be deemed derogatory is, whether it really was or not.
PC is excessive, and the world is just too sensitive now.
It is not the words themselves, it is how they are used. It is not about being "PC" (I am not particularly "PC" myself). Perhaps it is easier to understand for those who have been subjected to some form of racism at some time in their lives. Tolerance for racism drops considerably after that experience.
I think most people have though, in one way or another. I went to a high school where there were less than 50% whites. Basically everyone in the entire school was subject to racism, because there were large amounts of whites, blacks and south Asians, you just get over it. There are a few words, such as the N word, that have quite a history to go with it. But saying someone smells of garlic? Come on!
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 30 2014, 08:54 PM)
I think most people have though, in one way or another. I went to a high school where there were less than 50% whites. Basically everyone in the entire school was subject to racism, because there were large amounts of whites, blacks and south Asians, you just get over it. There are a few words, such as the N word, that have quite a history to go with it. But saying someone smells of garlic? Come on!
Again, it is not the words themselves, it is the way they are used. My wife is Korean, so I know that "garlic smelling" is a common racial slur used against Koreans. In most cases, Koreans take it in stride. In the specific case, however, it clearly caused Jung-Hwan distress, probably because it was part of a pattern of behavior. As such, it should not be condoned or minimized. AFAIAC, Materazzi is a scumbag and the Perugia owner is a moron.
As I said in the first message, people who say the things are still assholes. Best thing to do is ignore it, if you're going to get offended by such a travial "slur" (of which there are infinite amounts for any kind of race/nationality these days) then you really have to toughen up as a person IMO. People are assholes, that isn't going to change, best thing you can do is not let it get to you.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 30 2014, 11:32 PM)
As I said in the first message, people who say the things are still assholes. Best thing to do is ignore it, if you're going to get offended by such a travial "slur" (of which there are infinite amounts for any kind of race/nationality these days) then you really have to toughen up as a person IMO. People are assholes, that isn't going to change, best thing you can do is not let it get to you.
Again, you have to take it in context. In the case of Jung-Hwan, it was just part of the problem, and probably not the biggest factor.
Racism is only racism imo if it is meant as an attack.
Ahn wasn't simply racially abused, but he was also marginalized by the rest of the group led by Materazzi. So yeah, taken into context as FM! says, it is derogatory.
Currently watching QI and they said that the reason a player gets booked for taking his shirt off after scoring is this: Sponsors complained that when a goal is scored and the camera zooms in on a player, if he's not wearing his shirt, the sponsor can't be seen.
I never knew that. SO ridiculous!
I never knew that. SO ridiculous!
Wow, didn't know that either. Mind-boggling.
That's a fair complaint but booking a player for it is not.
I don't buy it. International shirts don't have sponsor names on them, and still players get booked.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 15 2014, 03:29 AM)
I don't buy it. International shirts don't have sponsor names on them, and still players get booked.
The rule has to be universal in order to be legitimate?
International kits do have sponsorships. The kit maker logo is still a form of sponsor.
True.
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 25 2014, 06:40 PM)
The majority of that certainly wasn't spent at Milan, still 2 CLs, 1 Serie A (his biggest failure imo) 1 Coppa with us
Simeone surprises me.
I'm not sure about the list though. I can't see it being net spend, because Mourinho has not spent 900m net. But It can't be gross because 180m isn't much in 10 years.
I'm not sure about the list though. I can't see it being net spend, because Mourinho has not spent 900m net. But It can't be gross because 180m isn't much in 10 years.
North Korean NT players have all been jailed and might face execution after their 2-0 defeat against South Korea.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 21 2014, 08:45 PM)
I don't understand why players even attempt that sh!t in the first place.
It's just sad, RIP
Yes, this was all over the news here. Well, at least the news that reports on Indian football.
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