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GonzZo
Apparently Lavezzi's agent is in Madrid aswell.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 09:20 PM) *
I agree with you completely. The only problem with him is that he is not just a milan player and if we do sell him it will be like selling maldini at 28. Yes it will be benefitical for the future but if Kaka comes out and says he was forced to make the deal or he didn't want to and he did it for milan, I doubt Silvio and Galliani will survive the night.


I just dont understand this, Milan are not a selling club. No matter how much our players are declining, we shouldn't have to sell them to balance the books. If silvio can't afford to invest as much as morratti, then why keep the club? I just dont understand it.

I agree with you that Milan are not a selling club, I don't like the fact that Serie A could be losing 2 of it's best players this summer (Ibra, Kaka) it's really not good for the league in general.

But with that money generated from the sales a domino effect will happen, everyone though it was crazy of Juve to sell Zidane in his prime but at the end of the day they came out better for it, and selling Zidane while he was still at his best not like Kaka's situation where he's really become limited these past few seasons.

And last time I checked Milan along with Bayern are the only club that run on 0 debth. So the money generated from the Kaka deal will not go into balancing the book but into getting those 2 players I mentioned before.

And I don't think the fans will really come at the management if a deal that is beneficial to Milan happens .ie getting serious cash for him plus one of the buying team's best players
Tennie
Nicely stated, han.

+1 cookie to the penguins.

CrazyMilanFan
that spokesman of kaka Diogo Kotschko said that deal is done and only official announcement is left it is on mediaset
dst
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 2 2009, 11:22 PM) *
Not Lavezzi, we have Pato and plus with Kaka most probably leaving, we will need a creator

[quoted from the transfer window thread]

I don't see why we have come to this conclusion. In my humble opinion, what's going on is that Galliani is in Madrid and Real have actually made the reported offer but did anyone expect them not to? It's silly to think that we have agreed so quickly anyway, if we're going to sell him we would negotiate at least for the sake of it, we would not just hand him over to the first offer.

On the other hand, Galliani did lie about his whereabouts and Kaka seemed frustrated when asked about his future this morning so... I don't know.

How much cleaner have I made things!?? biggrin.gif

Let's just wait and see people. Do NOT believe what's coming from Spain though.
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 09:28 PM) *
Nicely stated, han.

+1 cookie to the penguins.

<Panguins jump for joy>

But in all seriousness, Kaka really has done nothing these last 2 seasons that merit that price tag and it does not seem like he's ever going to be what he was before. I say sieze the opportunity now that its here, while its here, there won't be Chelsea and Real at the door next season with that ammount of money.

Sentimentality tells me to shut up that Kaka is a Milan player and should stay that way, I'm a big fan and I really love him for what he's done, but I love the club more and at the time being keeping him will do more harm then good. And regarding sentimentality and this club, that went out the window the moment Maldini was booed and the club took no action, so the moment Galliani starts talking about family and sentimental values I will more then laugh because its an absolute insult to both the players and the fans who actually care about these things.

Anothr thing, we desperately need money to rebuild the team, and we can say what we want about Silvio but the ammount of money we need in order to rebuild is rediculous, and something that Silvio just cannot come up with on his own anymore. We need a big cash income this summer and the easy way to get that is by selling Kaka, Top class CB, top class midfielder and a top class striker and a must for next season if we're actually going to try to do something worth while in the league and the CL
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 2 2009, 09:30 PM) *
that spokesman of kaka Diogo Kotschko said that deal is done and only official announcement is left it is on mediaset

This guy has been saying that the deal is done for 3 years now, I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

I'll only believe this once it's officially announced
Rivaldo
cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
Zed.D
I agree with han too. it'd make me unbelievably sad to see Kaka go, but we could really benefit from the deal. after all, the club comes first not individuals. my only concern is that in case we sell Kaka, will the money be entirely used to rebuild the team?... that I doubt to be honest.
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 2 2009, 08:46 PM) *
I agree with han too. it'd make me unbelievably sad to see Kaka go, but we could really benefit from the deal. after all, the club comes first not individuals. my only concern is that in case we sell Kaka, will the money be entirely used to rebuild the team?... that I doubt to be honest.

That is something that is plagueing the back of my mind. But we can't really expect them to sell that big of a player and leave the team as it is? The hole will be too huge.

With that said I'm still worried because this is exactly what they did after selling Sheva so I'm not so sure.
CrazyMilanFan
first thing should be that if we sell kaka we get some player in exchange aswell VDW, snidjer or robben atlest one of them (first 2 should be prefered) and then with the money we get from kaka sale and yoan gourcuff sale we but a top stiker and defender
Zed.D
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 3 2009, 01:19 AM) *
That is something that is plagueing the back of my mind. But we can't really expect them to sell that big of a player and leave the team as it is? The hole will be too huge.

With that said I'm still worried because this is exactly what they did after selling Sheva so I'm not so sure.

That's why I said that!

We will definitely buy players but will we spend the entire money (plus Yoann's sale money)?! you know how many decent players could be bought? I would think at least 5.

QUOTE
snidjer


Come on! laugh.gif I always found his name very difficult to spell, but spelling it like this.. that's hilarious!
Bluesummers
If the kaka deal goes through, we have 80 million in the bank. Whether or not all of that will be used for the transfers remains to be seen. We better also get a madrid player out of this deal.


We could potentially have a 150 million transfer fund. 40 million from CL, and 30 from silvio.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 2 2009, 09:53 PM) *
That's why I said that!

We will definitely buy players but will we spend the entire money (plus Yoann's sale money)?! you know how many decent players could be bought? I would think at least 5.



Come on! laugh.gif I always found his name very difficult to spell, but spelling it like this.. that's hilarious!

i got this after tryign to spell it for quite long was very furustrated and just typed what came to my head wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 09:58 PM) *
If the kaka deal goes through, we have 80 million in the bank. Whether or not all of that will be used for the transfers remains to be seen. We better also get a madrid player out of this deal.


We could potentially have a 150 million transfer fund. 40 million from CL, and 30 from silvio.

Throwing around money is easy, but you know all that caech will not go to transafers, there's wages to be payed, bills to be payed. It's not like paying FM and every cent you earn goes to the transfer kitty.

Selling Kaka will also remove a huge wage wieght off our shoulders.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2009, 03:06 PM) *
Throwing around money is easy, but you know all that caech will not go to transafers, there's wages to be payed, bills to be payed. It's not like paying FM and every cent you earn goes to the transfer kitty.

Selling Kaka will also remove a huge wage wieght off our shoulders.

No i agree but it should go to the transfer kitty. We need to rebuild.


If kaka goes, that wipes out 175k a week ,sheva goes that wipes out 75k a week. That is enough for 5-6 players.
Minami
i am going to sleep now, because nothing will be made official even if there was something to announce....

i just hope that kaka will stay for some time because he really wants to stay at milan..!

i understand everything you said about the money aspect and so on, but he is still an important player for milan although he has been injured this season.
next season he could even be better than this one. you'll never know how he'll play then. it's not said that he won't be good again just because he wasn't good this season/in the last games...
Rivaldo
Paolo, Carlo, Ricky the same year....it's cruel....
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Rivaldo @ Jun 2 2009, 03:10 PM) *
Paolo, Carlo, Ricky the same year....it's cruel....

Paolo, carlo, yoann, ricky.


I have a feeling the list will continue.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 10:08 PM) *
No i agree but it should go to the transfer kitty. We need to rebuild.


If kaka goes, that wipes out 175k a week ,sheva goes that wipes out 75k a week. That is enough for 5-6 players.

Agreed on that. But it's not always that simple.

Regarding wages, totally agree, also we need to start being shrewed with some players. (Miz don't hurt me) players like Dida who get big wages and are not starters because of their performances need to either accept pay cuts or go looking elsewhere.

Overly aged players like Favalli and Kalac imo should be let go.

Other players like Janku, Seedorf and Ambro need to be replaced by better players at this point. I'm not saying dump them to the curb (ok that was a lie, Seedorf should be dumped to the curb) but we really need to start realistically thinking of replacing these players
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2009, 03:14 PM) *
Agreed on that. But it's not always that simple.

Regarding wages, totally agree, also we need to start being shrewed with some players. (Miz don't hurt me) players like Dida who get big wages and are not starters because of their performances need to either accept pay cuts or go looking elsewhere.

Overly aged players like Favalli and Kalac imo should be let go.

Other players like Janku, Seedorf and Ambro need to be replaced by better players at this point. I'm not saying dump them to the curb (ok that was a lie, Seedorf should be dumped to the curb) but we really need to start realistically thinking of replacing these players

agreed. I have no problems with them staying either but they need to earn what they deserve. Seedorf does not deserve 77k.
il_diavolo_mtl
you mean Seedorf doesn't deserve milan tongue.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 03:31 PM) *
you mean Seedorf doesn't deserve milan tongue.gif

No seedorf is a milan hero and legend. He is 33 almost so what do you expect. I would love him to stay here but stay as he deserves. 30k a week with the role of a bench player.
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 05:35 PM) *
No seedorf is a milan hero and legend. He is 33 almost so what do you expect. I would love him to stay here but stay as he deserves. 30k a week with the role of a bench player.

Carlo?
Rivaldo
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 09:12 PM) *
Paolo, carlo, yoann, ricky.

I have a feeling the list will continue.

Nonsense....I said about 3 very important for Milan...Gourcuff only talanted young man, whose future may not be so great as most of supperts say.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 03:36 PM) *
Carlo?

haha cool.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Rivaldo @ Jun 2 2009, 03:36 PM) *
Nonsense....I said about 3 very important for Milan...Gourcuff only talanted young man, whose future may not be so great as most of supperts say.

Still he is a milan player and he could have been very useful for us.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2009, 05:14 PM) *

Agreed on that. But it's not always that simple.

Regarding wages, totally agree, also we need to start being shrewed with some players. (Miz don't hurt me) players like Dida who get big wages and are not starters because of their performances need to either accept pay cuts or go looking elsewhere.

Overly aged players like Favalli and Kalac imo should be let go.

Other players like Janku, Seedorf and Ambro need to be replaced by better players at this point. I'm not saying dump them to the curb (ok that was a lie, Seedorf should be dumped to the curb) but we really need to start realistically thinking of replacing these players



QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 05:29 PM) *
agreed. I have no problems with them staying either but they need to earn what they deserve. Seedorf does not deserve 77k.


smile.gif Agreed! +1
Rivaldo
The latest RMD offer: 65 mln. + 2 players from this list - Sneijder e Robben, Gago, Guti, Drenthe, Pepe, Marcelo e M. Diarra.
Tennie
It's getting even sillier now.
il_diavolo_mtl
Apparently italian press has confirmed it now
Zed.D
I don't know what to think. it looks serious...
il_diavolo_mtl
ARG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tennie
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 06:07 PM) *
Apparently italian press has confirmed it now



Who, specifically, in the Italian press? Can you provide a link?
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE
Kaka Agrees To Join Real Madrid - Italian Media
The Brazilian has said yes to Real Madrid, and the official announcement is expected soon...

AC Milan star Kaka has agreed to join Real Madrid, according to Sky Italia.

News of his impending transfer to the La Liga giants has been gaining momentum since this afternoon when it was rumoured Milan vice president Adriano Galliani and Kaka's father/agent were in the capital to negotiate a deal.

The Spanish media later reported that a deal had been agreed for €65 million between the two clubs.

The former Ballon d'Or winner is currently on international duty with Brazil, but has allegedly given his stamp of approval to the deal. All that is missing is an official announcement from the two clubs, which is likely to arrive very shortly.

The 27-year-old made 31 appearances in Serie A this season for the Rossoneri, finding the back of the net 16 times in the process.



how reliable is sky again sad.gif ?
Bluesummers
Great..........
Bluesummers
apparantly from the choice of players, its reported we want diarra and robben.
il_diavolo_mtl
i don't know the words to truly express how livid i am right now
MizNelson
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 03:22 PM) *
apparantly from the choice of players, its reported we want diarra and robben.

Great, we (apparently) dump Kaka and want a cripple in Robben in return.

QUOTE (han)
(Miz don't hurt me) players like Dida who get big wages and are not starters because of their performances

Don't worry, I won't. smile.gif

*plucks out one of Han's chest hairs*
I_Rossoneri
Best get used to it I suppose. Pato next then?
il_diavolo_mtl
how good are Robben/diarra?
Rossoneri7
Well what a surprise rolleyes.gif

So let him go the Chelsea or Madrid .. Most people claimed he should have been benched at most parts of the season, well who the hell would bench a player worth Eur 80MM !? innocent.gif

Just sell him and get it over with.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 2 2009, 04:28 PM) *
Well what a surprise rolleyes.gif

So let him go the Chelsea or Madrid .. Most people claimed he should have been benched at most parts of the season, well who the hell would bench a player worth Eur 80MM !? innocent.gif

Just sell him and get it over with.

He is our icon R7. Its like selling maldini.
MizNelson
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 03:30 PM) *
He is our icon R7. Its like selling maldini.

Sorry, but Kaka is nowhere near an icon as Maldini. If he hadn't peaked for 10 games in the '07 CL we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
il_diavolo_mtl
how good are Robben/ Diara?
Bluesummers
so let me break this transfer down for those who are a bit confused.

We will recieve 65 million euros and 2 players.

we will have the choice between sneijder or robben to pick.

Then we will have the choice of one of these players: Gago, Guti, Drenthe, Pepe, Marcelo or M. Diarra.

Kaka will recieve 12 million euros a year for 4 years.



Note: all based on rumors, no actual concrete evidence regarding any of this.
MizNelson
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 03:31 PM) *
how good are Robben/ Diara?

It doesn't matter, because they're not coming anyway and people are making mountains out of molehills from every little rumor as usual.
Zed.D
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 3 2009, 02:56 AM) *
Pato next then?

Bite your tongue!
--
3AM here. I'm off to bed. hope tomorrow we'll know how it's gonna end.

Bluesummers
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 2 2009, 04:30 PM) *
Sorry, but Kaka is nowhere near an icon as Maldini. If he hadn't peaked for 10 games in the '07 CL we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

after maldini, he is our club symbol. Whether or not you agree with that, it doesn't change the fact that it is true.
Rivaldo
00:15 KAKA': "OGGI NON PARLO"
"Oggi non parlo, non è il mio turno". Così Kakà dal raduno della Nazionale brasiliana. Poi il giocatore ha conversato a lungo con il suo portavoce Diogo Kotscho.

http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/artico...ml?refresh_cens

I try to translate...

Kaka: I'll not speak today. It's not mine time.
And then he speaked with his agent Diogo
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