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whoarethepatriots
Sid Lowe is the La Liga correspondent for the Guardian. I dont remember seeing that article on the guardian, but he is extremely knowledgeable on La Liga
Tennie
Still doesn't mean he knows anything other than what he's being fed. Until we get official stuff from direct sources, I at least am going to be very suspicious of any articles - especially articles on places as unreliable and prone to fantasy as goal.
whoarethepatriots
He must of heard it from his Marca or AS contacts, but i agree with you. I dont think he is in the loop. One of the Spanish guys who does "Revista De La Liga" (Guillem Balague) said a similar thing in his programe. But again, most likely it came from Marca and those guys are lunatics.

Monday is when we will know i expect. I am not optimisitc, especially after the Shevchenko deception
Rivaldo
21:33 BERLUSCONI: PATO AL CHELSEA? ASSOLUTAMENTE NO - «Assolutamente no». Silvio Berlusconi, a margine della registrazione di Porta a Porta, è perentorio nel negare che vi sia alcun rischio che l'asso brasiliano Pato sia venduto al Chelsea.

21:05 AGENTE PATO: NESSUNA GARANZIA CHE RESTI - Dopo l'allarme rosso per Kakà, al Milan si accende anche quello per Pato, il cui agente non se la sente di dare garanzie sul suo futuro in rossonero. «Il Milan deve decidere la situazione di Pato, noi siamo entusiasti dell'interesse del Chelsea per il giocatore, ma solo al Milan spetta la decisione finale - ha spiegato ai microfoni di Antenna3 e Telelombardia Gilmar Veloz, il procuratore del brasiliano -. Pato ha un contratto con il Milan ma se la società dovesse trovare un accordo con il Chelsea saremmo disponibili a trattare». «Al momento, però, - è la conclusione di Veloz - non posso dare garanzie ai tifosi che Pato rimanga al Milan, la società non è mia e soltanto un responsabile del Milan potrà dare questa risposta».

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Notizie/C...utta+la+diretta

Yeaaah....Pato ia next
Tennie
Again with the fatalistic attitudes. Sheesh.

All the agent said (in the thing quoted above) is that he couldn't guarantee that Pato would remain with milan as that's something the club decides, not him.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 3 2009, 08:51 PM) *
Then berlu should sell. We have someone who is willing to buy the club and fully support it, however he does not wish to sell.


I just don't understand it. We are falling so fast and the people who control this club always come up with excuses to better their situation. If galliani says italian football is in trouble, it looks hypocritical if juve are spending so easily and inter are spending so easily as well. Furthermore, we are the only ones complaining about this situation.



No one is saying what Galliani is saying is wrong; yes italian football has problems; however, their comes a choice and if he can no longer invest in the club like every other owner such as morratti, then he must leave.


Silvio must go, just like our coach being here too long, there is such a thing as the president being here too long as well.


Well, Juve don't spend so easily ... Just because Juve don't have as high expenses as Milan in wages and hence are able to purchase one good buy, does NOT mean they are better economically than Milan. And please make note that Juve bowed down to Madrid when a then world record price came in for Zidane.


Silvio must go !? I'm sorry, but I don't understand where this is coming from ... This is THE man who made Milan into the club you have come to know today. I am really confused by this kind of attitude, for which I have no idea on what basis are your assumptions coming from !?

If he decides to sell Kaka', then he wants a return on his investment to restructure and improve on HIS team. If he wants to sell Pato, then he wants a return on HIS investment .. and please notice the HIS, cuz it all came from HIS pocket.

If that is your opinion, then by all means go ahead, but don't address me with it, because I am very grateful for what this man had done for Milan, taking it from bankruptcy in '86 to a pillar of European football in our modern day. No club president in Europe had done the same!
LaPalma
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 3 2009, 10:15 PM) *
Well, Juve don't spend so easily ... Just because Juve don't have as high expenses as Milan in wages and hence are able to purchase one good buy, does NOT mean they are better economically than Milan. And please make note that Juve bowed down to Madrid when a then world record price came in for Zidane.


Silvio must go !? I'm sorry, but I don't understand where this is coming from ... This is THE man who made Milan into the club you have come to know today. I am really confused by this kind of attitude, for which I have no idea on what basis are your assumptions coming from !?

If he decides to sell Kaka', then he wants a return on his investment to restructure and improve on HIS team. If he wants to sell Pato, then he wants a return on HIS investment .. and please notice the HIS, cuz it all came from HIS pocket.

Well spoken.
Zed.D
If Silvio wants a return on his investement he can sell Dinho too the player he wasted 21m on thanks to Carlo. or he can sell those players who make millions of unearned euros each year. you don't do that by selling your best players. no one in their right mind would do that.

And Silvio is not bigger than Milan, get over it. no one is. someday he will be gone, Milan will always remain.
MizNelson
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 3 2009, 11:44 AM) *
Sid Lowe is the La Liga correspondent for the Guardian.

I guess that's his second job when he's not busy coaching NC State's basketball team.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 3 2009, 10:06 PM) *
If Silvio wants a return on his investement he can sell Dinho too the player he wasted 21m on thanks to Carlo. or he can sell those players who earn millions of unearned euros each year. you don't do that by selling your best players. no one in their right mind would do that.

And Silvio is not bigger than Milan, get over it. no one is. someday he will be gone, Milan will always remain.


Well said cool.gif
Zed.D
I wonder how Leonado is going to cope with a Kaka-less Milan. even if Kaka hasn't been at his best in the past 2 seasons, in 7 games he didn't play this season, we only got a few points (what was it exactly...?). we'll making things harder for Leo.
dst
Berlusconi has made Milan what she is today but that does not give him the right to break it all down. I'm not saying that's what he does but don't sanctify him, he can be judged too. He has gained much more from Milan than he has given so don't make sound like he's some good Samaritan!
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 3 2009, 02:15 PM) *
Well, Juve don't spend so easily ... Just because Juve don't have as high expenses as Milan in wages and hence are able to purchase one good buy, does NOT mean they are better economically than Milan. And please make note that Juve bowed down to Madrid when a then world record price came in for Zidane.


Silvio must go !? I'm sorry, but I don't understand where this is coming from ... This is THE man who made Milan into the club you have come to know today. I am really confused by this kind of attitude, for which I have no idea on what basis are your assumptions coming from !?

If he decides to sell Kaka', then he wants a return on his investment to restructure and improve on HIS team. If he wants to sell Pato, then he wants a return on HIS investment .. and please notice the HIS, cuz it all came from HIS pocket.

If that is your opinion, then by all means go ahead, but don't address me with it, because I am very grateful for what this man had done for Milan, taking it from bankruptcy in '86 to a pillar of European football in our modern day. No club president in Europe had done the same!


****note: sorry for grammar and spelling errors...

I dont agree. Its not "his" club. Yes he does fund the club but he gets his share out of it as well. Also I am thankful to him for what hes done, but i'm also sick and tired of his regime and the board in which he controls. Football is a business as much as it is a sport. They must be maintained in equal harmony for success to be achieved.


At this time we have been too busy trying to fix the business side of the team that the sporting side has suffered dearly. When we did have money, we made poor investment choices and have caused ourselves to be in this mess.

ex: beckham, sheva, oliveria, borriello, and all the co ownerships that i'm sure no one wants.


We should have sacked carlo last year, but we chose not to. If that isn't rubbish enough, we gave him a player he did not want and in the end wasted 21 million as he sat on the bench. There are many more examples, which i'm sure you know and i don't need to go on listing. Now we have hired an inexperienced coach who could either do great or put our team at a great risk, when we could have gone for the experienced choice like rijkaard.


Right now because of these poor choices we have no choice but to sell our best in order to fix our situation. The only reason we are selling Kaka is because he is the most expensive player. It doesn't matter who it is, it could have been pato or pirlo or even the great paolo if this occured 10-15 years ago.

This for me is not acceptable. It was "his" fault that we have plumited to this mess. "his" fault for not investing properly when he had the opportunity to deal with this. "his" fault why we have gone from the world's greatest club to a 4th position mess every year. So now i'm assuming because of "his" mistakes, he will fix it with "his" own money and not sacrificing someone like Kaka in order to fix it.


If he won't , then I want him out. Silvio is great but not greater than Milan. I would rather have arab owners than silvio at this point. At least I know we won't turn into a selling club, selling our best players. We are the laughing stock of europe because of this GREAT SILVIO.
Tennie
Well. I'm not going to bother to comment on the various rants other than to say that I disagree with them and think that some people may be overreacting just a tad.

And I'm completely unsurprised that, tonight, the director of Milannews has put up an editorial stating that the whole thing is just a bluff and that Kaka will remain.
enda
sell ronaldinho not kaka.. sad.gif
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 3 2009, 08:06 PM) *
And I'm completely unsurprised that, tonight, the director of Milannews has put up an editorial stating that the whole thing is just a bluff and that Kaka will remain.

just saw this...

I have to say I am pretty much waiting for Monday to see what Berlusconi [&/or other supposedly involved parties] says at this point concerning the whole fiasco.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 3 2009, 12:24 PM) *
It is very easy to sit behind a computer and state your opinion, comparing, criticizing and bemoaning .. Without taking into consideration the financial stability of the club. Galliani has reiterated tons of times, that the situation in Italy is a handicap when paired to England or Spain, yet people think it is easy to skim through it and disregard it. When on the contrary, it is as real as it gets sad.gif

As it is very easy looking at positives, and not looking at a real light, then moaning about others opinions without much backing up.

I mean, this is an Internet forum, we're all sat behind our computers/hand-held devices stating opinions rolleyes.gif that's just quite a stupid comment.

I'm pretty sure, I mentioned downfall, which I guess if you look at stats over the last few seasons is true. I said we are streets behind United, Barca, etc which you have admitted is true. We are not what we were in the early 90's! That can't be argued with.

I didn't say we were useless, rubbish or anything like it seems you have interpreted me into saying! I guess the truth hurts for all of us, especially when stated so bluntly.
Tennie
Right, so everyone's welcome to an opinion unless that opinion should happen to see a positive - any positive - in management or ownership?
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 4 2009, 02:16 AM) *
Right, so everyone's welcome to an opinion unless that opinion should happen to see a positive - any positive - in management or ownership?

How on earth did I imply that, like honestly? How?

My opinion got lambasted, without any backing up! Pretty much complaining about me personally even though we are all sat behind PC's stating our opinions, I just didn't get the point of that comment.

In no way did I shoot down anyone else's opinion, just stating reasons for why I said mine in the first place.
Tennie
Um. Your previous post? My reading of it at least is that of an awfully harsh comment regarding R7's post in which he expresses his opinion of why management may be doing what some think it's doing. Terms like 'the truth hurts for all of us' and 'not looking at a real light, then moaning about others opnions' isn't exactly what I'd consider a big endorsement for free expression of opinion.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 4 2009, 02:39 AM) *
Um. Your previous post? My reading of it at least is that of an awfully harsh comment regarding R7's post in which he expresses his opinion of why management may be doing what some think it's doing. Terms like 'the truth hurts for all of us' and 'not looking at a real light, then moaning about others opnions' isn't exactly what I'd consider a big endorsement for free expression of opinion.

So it's ok for R7 to complain about mine, yet I can't do it back? Erm, I mean "It is very easy to sit behind a computer and state your opinion, comparing, criticizing and bemoaning" Yet I can't respond/debate too that - No?

Looking back I should have said 'silly' as oppose to 'stupid' but it's fine other than that, if I offended R7, there was no intention meant, at all. As for the truth hurts bit that's still my opinion really, I mean everything is!

In all honesty I think your first post was almost a flame (argumentative) post and I shouldn't have got dragged that low and into it. R7 has had and does have great opinions that I respect and will happily respond too, I'm not taking this personally at all, if R7 didn't debate with me I'd be bored.

I don't know why you'd write a post like you did, I mean there's a number of things I don't agree with on other member's opinions but I don't try and argue with people by writing posts that will attempt, at least, too do nothing other than agitate/annoy people.
Tennie
Gosh. Guess I've been put in my place. smile.gif
dst
QUOTE
“Everything is almost done. I know that I will be going to Madrid. I am very happy,” he was quoted as saying by AS.

[Read about it here]

laugh.gif laugh.gif I don't know if the deal will go through or not but this is so fake that even the RM fans might get it. Seriously, why are they so desperate?
MizNelson
Kaka has been flirting with RM for about four seasons now, so who's to say that he won't take the plunge this time?

He told Man City to go to hell because he knew better than to go to a Premier League bottom-scraper. Madrid is a whole different kettle of fish (or is that fishdolls?) altogether.
dst
I don't think he's been flirting. He has not rejected anyone but that does not mean he'd sleep with them.

Wait, what?
MizNelson
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 12:03 AM) *
I don't think he's been flirting. He has not rejected anyone but that does not mean he'd sleep with them.

Wait, what?

Classic. laugh.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE

Milan's Adriano Galliani Explains Reasons Behind Kaka's Sale


Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani admitted that Kaka is leaving the club this team, unlike what happened in January with the Manchester City saga.

Galliani declared that the decision was taken due to economic issues and that the Rossoneri could not reject such a high offer again.

"Milan cannot lose €70 million every year," explained the director to the Gazzetta dello Sport.

"Even the heart must face the numbers, but we are not demobilising. A great attacker, a forward, will arrive, since next year we will play with the 4-3-1-2. I hope the fans understand."

Galliani then denied that any of the other important players are leaving.

"[Alexandre] Pato, [Andrea] Pirlo and [Clarence] Seedorf are not for sale," he confirmed.

With Chelsea claiming to have never bid for Kaka, it seems that the Brazilian player's path to Real Madrid should now be a relatively smooth one.

from the man himself, its official.


No, Galliani we don't understand. We don't understand why players like kaladze, Dida etc are getting 77k a week for doing jack s***. We don't understand why sheva was brought here when everyone could see he was a finished player. We don't understand why Ronaldinho was bought for 21 million when that money could been easily spent somewhere else and could have brought 100x more benefit. We don't understand why our youth products like abate, paloschi and etc have to be sent out on stupid co-ownerships that in the end cause us to lose money. We don't understand how you could loan a player like Gourcuff out and put such a lowe clause like 15 million on him when you could easily see that he had the potential to become great. We don't understand why you have waited until there is no other choice to sack the coach who was finished 2 seasons ago.

We don't understand why you continually choose to invest in veteran players who have at maximum 1 or 2 years to give when success comes from a balance of great youth and great veterans. We don't understand how you continually boast about Milan being a family like club who defends its players, when Maldini had to go through that abysmal event without any support from the club. We don't understand why you are selling our best player to fix the mess caused by silvio and you. We don't understand how you can justify these things so easily with such foolish statements such as italian football is in a mess when other clubs are easily double or tripling our spending.
Zed.D
I bet that great attacker is someone like Toni.

Good lord, we thought we wouldn't have to bear Seedorf anymore after Carlo left, but with Kaka leaving, Seedorf's role will become even more important! anyone else thinks he'll be the "1" in the 4-3-1-2?
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 02:06 AM) *
I bet that great attacker is someone like Toni.

Good lord, we thought we wouldn't have to bear Seedorf anymore after Carlo left, but with Kaka leaving, Seedorf's role will become even more important! anyone else thinks he'll be the "1" in the 4-3-1-2?

No it's going to be ronaldinho pato and adebayor most likely. dry.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 11:39 AM) *
No it's going to be ronaldinho pato and adebayor most likely. dry.gif


Ah thank God there is Dinho! can you believe I'd totally forgotten we had him when I wrote that?
Bluesummers
QUOTE
Galliani: We have to sell Kaka


Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani admits he was in Spain earlier this week and did speak with Real Madrid about Kaka.

Speculation went into overdrive yesterday after Galliani was spotted in Madrid along with Kaka's father Bosco Leite.

A world record transfer worth £68.5m is said to be in the offing, but it's up to the player to decide whether he goes or not.

“Florentino Perez invited me to celebrate his nomination,” Galliani told La Gazzetta dello Sport. “We had lunch and spoke about Kaka. I don't deny it. Negotiations exist, but a deal has yet to be done.

“We all have a heart, but the numbers have become such that even those with a big heart have to face up to themselves and do the accounts.

“Kaka has behaved well with us, he has never asked for any adjustments or contract extensions. He has been here six years winning all that there is to win.

“But we cannot allow ourselves to lose £70m,” Galliani explained. “The reasons behind Kaka's departure would be economic.

“Real turnover almost double what we do, they own the Santiago Bernabéu and don't share their TV revenue with other teams.

“They are helped by a fiscal regime that allows them to offer players bigger contracts, spending the same net figure. Two million becomes one million in the pockets of a player in Italy. It's a million and a half in Spain.

“I don't want to be boring, but the root of the problem is economic,” Galliani said. “Italy have lost competitiveness and Serie A has to fight so as to ensure it is not overtaken by other championships, after having lost ground with respect to Spain and England.”

When asked if he had calculated the damage to Milan's image that would come with selling Kaka, Galliani said: “Everything that comes to be done at Milan is pondered over.

“I hope that the fans understand the situation. The Milan of Berlusconi has lived through four great cycles: that of Sacchi, that of Capello, the interregnum of Tabarez-Zaccheroni-Terim and the period of Ancelotti.

“We are starting again with a fifth cycle. There are negotiations for Kaka, but the other big players are unsellable. They are Pato, Pirlo and Seedorf.”

Galliani was then asked to explain why Berlusconi doesn't sell the club if he no longer feels he can help it economically.

“Berlusconi doesn't want to sell, but there has never been interest in a major stake. There has been interest in a minor stake, but a deal was never opened.”

On being asked to describe what Milan fans can expect next season, Galliani said: “A Milan ready to begin again. They have said we were finished many times before and we started to win again.”

han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 09:06 AM) *
I bet that great attacker is someone like Toni.

Good lord, we thought we wouldn't have to bear Seedorf anymore after Carlo left, but with Kaka leaving, Seedorf's role will become even more important! anyone else thinks he'll be the "1" in the 4-3-1-2?

No way, Leo is not Carlo. Ronnie will be the '1'. I'm just parying it's enough. No matter what I said about Kaka declining it will be a big loss. Let's hope that at least a fraction of what is earned from his sale will go into a defender and a midfielder.

What a blow for Leonardo to start with... I feel sorry for him
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 02:23 AM) *
Ah thank God there is Dinho! can you believe I'd totally forgotten we had him when I wrote that?

No doubt bro. We have the great dinho!! We don't need Kaka, who needs one of the world's best and loyal players anyways who is a symbol of our club and an icon to all footballers. A real example after the great Paolo.


dst
As conflicting as it may sound the sale of Kaka is the result of Milan's Champions League triumph in 2007.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2009, 02:25 AM) *
No way, Leo is not Carlo. Ronnie will be the '1'. I'm just parying it's enough. No matter what I said about Kaka declining it will be a big loss. Let's hope that at least a fraction of what is earned from his sale will go into a defender and a midfielder.

What a blow for Leonardo to start with... I feel sorry for him

No lol. Galliani already said the money will be used for a great attacker. So i'm guessing 30 mil max and the rest into silvio's pockets.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 02:26 AM) *
As conflicting as it may sound the sale of Kaka is the result of Milan's Champions League triumph in 2007.

There is a huge difference between shevchenko sale and Kaka sale. At the time shevchenko was 29 and already on the verge of a great decline, while Kaka was just entering his prime at 24. He was already capable of carrying the team on his shoulders. Right now we have pato, who is too young to do this. He will be 20 next season. You cannot expect a 20 year old to single handedly win you the champions league.

Maybe if we had Gourcuff who is 23, I would be not so angry. He is right now capable of carrying milan as he has done with bordeaux. But to expect Pato to do so is ludicrous.
Zed.D
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2009, 12:55 PM) *
No way, Leo is not Carlo. Ronnie will be the '1'. I'm just parying it's enough. No matter what I said about Kaka declining it will be a big loss. Let's hope that at least a fraction of what is earned from his sale will go into a defender and a midfielder.

What a blow for Leonardo to start with... I feel sorry for him


As I said in my previous post I'd forgotten we had a player by the name of Ronaldinho when I made that post. biggrin.gif look what Carlo did to one of the most famous footballers on earth.

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 12:56 PM) *
As conflicting as it may sound the sale of Kaka is the result of Milan's Champions League triumph in 2007.


And would you mind explaining how? unsure.gif
I_Rossoneri
Sell Ricky and keep Seedorf - what a great future we will have rolleyes.gif

No wonder Pato wants to listen to offers, I don't blame him one bit!
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 09:26 AM) *
As conflicting as it may sound the sale of Kaka is the result of Milan's Champions League triumph in 2007.

hmm, how did you come up with that? unsure.gif
Zed.D
http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=83258

It's definitely over. Kaka will be sold to Madrid.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 4 2009, 02:35 AM) *
Sell Ricky and keep Seedorf - what a great future we will have rolleyes.gif

No wonder Pato wants to listen to offers, I don't blame him one bit!

+1 no doubt, neither do I.Maybe we should sell him to while were at it.Make the year even better than it alreadyis cool.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 4 2009, 01:05 PM) *
No wonder Pato wants to listen to offers, I don't blame him one bit!


Pato belongs to one of the English or Spanish giants. it's only a matter of time..
Bluesummers
I just love how we are so accepting and calm regarding this transfer. We were all very pissed in January but now its okay. This transfer is not acceptable! How do you guys feel if we sold Maldini!!!!
6Best
C'mmon don't worry guys we still have Seedorf . dry.gif
Fillipo Simone
Of course it's not the same and Maldini is incomparable.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 01:11 PM) *
I just love how we are so accepting and calm regarding this transfer. We were all very pissed in January but now its okay. This transfer is not acceptable! How do you guys feel if we sold Maldini!!!!


What can we do about it except accepting it and looking forward to twhat the future holds for our club?

بیخیال
Fillipo Simone
Wait...is it confirmed? Official?
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 02:49 AM) *
What can we do about it except accepting it and looking forward to twhat the future holds for our club?

بیخیال

I hope Berlu and Galliani leave Milan. I hope they sell it. I"m sick of this s***. I would rather have sheiks over this bull**** any day. Can't afford the club? Then leave, we don't want you here anymore!
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2009, 02:51 AM) *
Wait...is it confirmed? Official?

pretty much, its on the official website with Galliani saying he had no choice but to do it. He'll be presented in Madrid next week.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2009, 01:21 PM) *
Wait...is it confirmed? Official?


Not official but semi-official for sure. have you seen this? http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=83258
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