Agreed


Come on Jack. You always knew Rino had this side of him, and to add to that, the fact that he was also greatly provoked by someone who shouldn't have even been allowed to talk to the players. I think you're being unfair to Rino. You have no idea how you would react if someone offended you personally

His words could be the words of a guilty person as much as the words of an innocent person. I perfectly understand your example, it's quite typical and I've heard it before myself but then if he were innocent he'd bring up those things too wouldn't he? It's just how one wants to see this.

Personally I think he did not say anything like that, I'm sure he must have said something personal to Gattuso but I doubt he made racist comments. (Unless he said something about cave men and Gattuso felt it offended his race... )

Mostly, the fact that it was one of Gattuso's agents that brought this up leads me to believe it was not really said. If it was another player who made this claim I'd believe it but I think this is just a case of an agent trying to justify his client's actions.


I don't care if JJ had any right to talk to Gattuso and I don't care about what he told Gattuso. Surely JJ was wrong to do any of that and should be penalized but that does not justify Gattuso's actions, period. Even more so because he captained the team that night. And no, none of us knows how he would react but we all know how we expect the man with the armband to react.

@han: This...



Rino had that side to him? Since when? This is the first time ANY Milan player has done this kind of shenanigans. It's one thing to constantly trashtalk your opponent on the field, head in strong for a tackle etc. But this?? This is cheap.

And no I'm not saying J.Jordan is not guilty. I'm ashamed that the captain of a club of Milan's stature actually stooped to pick up the bait thrown by some cheap *** club's Assistant coach.

You know what Ambro would have done...he'd have dragged Rino away when the argument was going on, coz he feels the weight of the damn armband.

Paolo would have interfered in the match itself. Probably slapped Rino in the head, told him to shape up. Walked over to the fourth ref and tell him to do his job when a coach is outside the technical area...and finally when the whistle blew, drag Rino away with him to the dressing room, not even letting something ugly develop.

THIS is what being a captain is all about.

Spot on, Jack.
spot.on.

I remember once Rino went mad a couple of years ago and was trying to do attack some opponent, Paolo did the exact same things you mentioned in your post. only now I'm realizing how important it is to have a true captain...


I didn't mean JJ jadn't done anything wrong, I was saying I doubted the racism claim. as dst said, it was Rino's agent who brought that up, while Rino said he wouldn't tell anyone the words he and JJ exchanged between each other. how did his agent know about it anyway?

Anyway, what Rino did that night was terribly wrong, but he managed it to make it worse by letting his agent bring up with that racism nonsense.

All I have to say is that some of you have over idealised pictures of what Rino truely is and was. Paolo was the only one who culd really control him back in the day, I remember that game against Juve in 05/06 at the San Siro, it was electric, Rino feeds off that, combine that with him, Emerson and Nedved trading blows every chance they got it quickly got out of hand. Paolo got in his face, and really told him off, Rino didn't utter a single word back.

Jack in the past you've made comments about Rino putting Zlatan or Robinho in their place if they went out of line, but this again was you over idealising the old gaurd of Rino, Seedorf and Ambro, all have shown us their less then stellar sides in the past. rino has acted crazy before, and I'll continue to say it's not something new out him even if you're denying such things. Ambro has also acted as less then what is expected out of a Milan captain, arguing when on a yellow, getting sent off in the process and leaving the team hanging. Seedorf acting like a petulent child when he's taken off, come out the wrong side of the pitch, fighting with the coach near the touch line.

Again, I don't blame Rino for the entire situation, it's unfair to do so. Stating that the armband should have stopped him? Guess what there is no real captain in our team,haven't had that since Paolo retired, we barely even have a coach who lets Zlatan walk all over him and Rino as well at time imo. how do you expect these players to act controlled when they feel like they are running the show?

Problem here is not Rino. We have trouble in the dressing rooms, there is no real leader, or figure of authority, Allegri certainly is not that, and neither are Rino and ambro if you ask me

I think Ambrosini is. I realized that after the PSV game, when he scored and send us to the final with the captains armband on him. But what would you expect after Paolo Maldini? History rarely gives you the oppotunity to do thing twice, let alone three times. We had a brilliant captain in Baresi and then Maldini took charge, not much changed, in fact, some things got better and the transition was smooth.

Now we cannot expect the line to be continued. It's like for example the Pope John Paul II; not as single pope after him (at least in near future) can come up to his achievements and style; therefor it is only logical to assume someone like Ratzinger taking over. Same happened with kings, monarchs, semi-gods, etc - all leaders. Simplified, but yes, same is happening to Milan.

Like Jack said some time before, not everyone is born to be a leader. Pirlo cannot do it IMO. I'm not sure, but I think my favorites for the job still are Ambro and Abbiati, if not Nesta.

I really don't think scoring a last minute winner says much about leadership skills. To me Ambro is not a true leader, he usually instigates more cr@p then he tries to diffuse, maybe not in the crazy over the top way Rino does, but it's the same thing, only more subdued.

Nesta imo would be the obvious captain choice, if he doesn't want to take it, then Abbs would be next on my list

Not the goal, but his look, his emotions, his expression.

The arm band is an issue now? This forum never lacks motives

I think some people view the armband as something that gives super powers, when in reality our new captains are only human, Paolo and Baresi just were not human, that is why we go up in arms when Rino or Ambro make mistakes, because it is not something we're used to from someone wearing the armband

Do you agree we need to buy a new captain?

No, but we need to clone one of our earlier ones. Or wait for his elder son to make the transition to the first XI.

This may be a stupid question as his eldest son is still 14 or 15 but is he any good? Being from the US its kinda hard to follow the primavera haha.

Yes, hard to follow here too, but I've heard he is coming along rather nicely. Problem is that he kind of played in front of the defense, as a midfielder the last time I checked. So let us wait a few more years and see how Christian Maldini makes the transition to the big team, if he does so, of course. The talent is there, there is no doubt about that.

Is that the one who made a fool out of Seedorf, (he has 2 sons right?).

I don't care where he plays if he can live up to the legend of his father haha. I hope he is a well adjusted kid because he is going to face a ridiculous amount of pressure when he gets older.

Yes, 2 sons, but that was Daniel Maldini, the younger of the two. Classic tackle, just like his father. Also, I have been told that the little girl in that video was Seedorf's daughter, but I am not too sure of that. But Daniel sure has the defending and tackling DNA that made his father the absolute best of all time in his position.

Paolo pretty much made the number 3 and left-back position his own!

I think that was his youngest son. who is still 9 or 10. I love that video though

I remember seeing it, the execution was nigh on perfect. You don't see 12/13 year old's doing it that well. Hell, you don't see Bonera doing it that well.

It was a few years ago now so he can't have been any older than like 6, crazy.

Edit: Did a quick search on YT, here it is for those who haven't seen it. Click me. And he was 5 - staggering.

Daniel was born in 1998, just around before Paolo left for the World Cup in France. So I think, yeah he was pretty young at that time. Almost all my friends have seen this video many times, it's just great.

Who's the kid in green and number 27's kids, got to be Bonera's

Undoubtedly. I almost thought he had it in him to become the defense leader, but Bonera's downfall has been outrageous. Had very high hopes for him, and whatever remained the Udinese 4-4 performance really put them all to rest. He played like a 35-year-old.

Ahh...I get it now. Thank you.

LOL, you get what now? The real reason behind Bonera's boneheadedness? Is that even a word?

Banned for 5 games by uefa

They had to punish him, but 5 games? Bullshit.

At least he can still play in the Final.

I heard it was 4

Yeah it's 4 + the Spurs game automatic suspension.

Well, it's embarrassing that our "captain" had to learn "a lesson", but they did the right thing IMO. 4 games seems right.

At least no one will moan that Gattuso is stealing the place of Flamini or Boateng.

With Ambro, Rino and Andy out, I'm rather interested who will be our captain.

Nesta per sempre

Clarence Seedorf.

Who, Federer or Murray?


That is if we make it that far.

Really you need confirmation?!

His name is not Roger

Seedorf with the arm band ... This I like

EWWWW! please no. i dont want seedorf anywhere near the pitch at white heart lane.

Hmmph.

The last time we had an un-winnable match away, a certain Seedorf turned up the heat. Is it any coincidence that when Seedorf doesn't play well, the team sucks balls in the CL???

Fine..have it your way. Play Merkel.

P.S: Glad we didn't appeal the decision. Would have been royally pissed if we did. Can we stuff a sock into his agent's mouth??

Pfft!! Ignorants, Merkel should be captain!


We have three days to do that. I really hope we won't though.

Yes. I agree with dst. How can a player in the future become captain of the squad, if he already doesn't have enough experience being captain??! Yes he might make mistakes, like pee in his pants in the CL because of the pressure or not be able to control his squad, but at least he's learning from them.

Merkel should be made Captain, so he can learn. Rino and Ambro should not be made captains, they're old and they won't stay long.

We won't appeal. Rino said he won't and the club too.

Let's play Merkel. As captain.

Yes...that was what I was suggesting too.

Enough with the Merkel-mania guys. Maybe he reads the forum. Who knows?!

Merkel in the forum. Mod him!

The most fequently used word recently is Merkel. And the kid isn't even that good

Football Italia

Lucky enough Cassano wasn't there, really.

Really,no more then teenager talk,how is this guy our captain?

“Then Bassong got involved and said ‘You and me.’ So I said it back to him. We got together in the players’ tunnel, had a full match with first and second half. Bassong saw I was little and assumed I was small fry.”

who the hell translated this hahahaha " Small Fry " thats hilarious

Gatusso for captain = fail , its like giving the captancy to Materazzi.....


Nesta should be the Capitain he's the only one with a cool head on the pitch !

I think Rino should just shut up, he's not helping himself at all is he. Hopefully he's gone in the summer. I hear Rangers need a thug to partner Diouf in midfield.

I really hope you are being sarcastic Jack. When seedorf didn't play in the second half we improved exponentially, Face it, seedorf's current, much reduced from his prime, skill set doesn't make him effective against squads with pace. Tottenham will only get faster with bale returning. Experience doesn't mean anything if you can't physically perform. I would feel more comfortable with boa-strasser-flamini (no merkel. surprise!) in mid (i really wish pirlo was healthy) and a robinho ibra pato attack.