I find this "I hate SES" trend going on right now on this forum seriously strange. I'm not a huge fan of his, but all this hate makes me want to stand up for the kid.

I don't think we'll sell him, not this winter. And certainly not for 20m considering we got a 30m+ offer for him in the summer.

We've only seen a seriously small fraction of what SES can do, let's give him a chance to play a full season or 2 before making such harsh judgments

I don't think anyone hates him. But he is overrated.

Well, speaking for myself, I don't really hate anything, let along someone like El Shaarawy. Though like you, I am not a fan of his, Han, and think of him as a good prospect that we plucked out of Serie B. What I do know is that he's just another golden goose that Galliani will take to the sacrifice temple, if he gets the right amount of $$$.

What I do also know is that the guy is not improving upon his game, one bit. Not even half as good as Pato to begin with, and while the duck too stalled, Shaarway is just standing on a standstill right now, and he is not even as developed as the Brazilian we recently offloaded.

You prospects, particularly strikers, have to improve their overall game, constantly and consistently.

Oh yeah, and that too. Everything and everyone can be overrated, in capacities large or small. El Shaarawy is massively overrated in this respect. FIFA 14 cover, you have got to be kidding me. I thought one had to be a good player before something like this, and all his other promotional endeavors.

Just show the results on the pitch on a constant basis, and then he can be rated normally, or even underrated. But right now, he is just hyped up, and the kid is doing little (also not helped by the coach) to improve.

Beautifully put.

I don't think he is, certainly not when compared to other young players his age, obviously when you're top scorer of a top club in your first season playing as a starter for that club - a club that would have sunk to the lowest of lows had he not stepped up btw - there will be a certain level of hype surrounding that young player


I don't think you can say whether or not he's at a stand still, yes his form took a massive dip last season, every player goes through that now and then, but I don't think you can say he's at a standstill because we have not seen anything from him as of yet this season. I mean if he's in his 3rd full season with us as a starter and he's still at that level he was at last season then yes, you can say he's hit a brick wall, but I don't think it's a fair thing to say as of yet

I have seen moments that confirm this, but I wouldn't mind giving him more time. But my honest advise is that don't cry for him Argentina, because if an offer comes Galliani will personally wrap and ship Shaarawy. An offer, as in something that touches 25 to 30 million. That's what kind of a character he is.

But until he is here, most I am sure, will stand by him and see what kind of an effort he puts. I don't fault his athletic work and defensive duties that he does, and he is wasted there at the wing, but you have got to take what comes your way. Pato and Huntelaar (remember that guy) did before him. Let's wait and see, then, wait and see.

Pato (before we ruined him that is) was an amazing dribbler who was seriously quick, remember that amazing goal against Roma? He could have played anywhere in attack. The Huntelaar experiment was just ridiculous and really, he didn't take what came his way as he was (unsurprisingly) awful on the wing.

And I've said this multiple times, if a ridiculous offer came our way, I'd gift wrap him myself, as realistically, atm he's not worth more than 20m max, but if say something over 30m came our way (as Galliani hinted of happening this past summer) then yeah, obviously I'd offload him because in a sane market, he'd never be worth that amount

I think there might be clubs who would offer 20-22 million for El Shaa right now. You know what I would do? Sell him for that amount and sign Shaqiri. Now he is a real promise with huge margins of improvement. And he'd be perfect for 4-2-3-1.

Naah, I wouldn't go for it.

That's so typical of you.

Maybe. But: 1) I don't see Shaqiri leaving Bayern, 2) I don't want wingers, 3) I'm not that sure he's worth it - don't get me wrong, Shaqiri is a good player and overall promising. But when I look at him playing, something's missing.

OK, I understand your doubts regarding Shaqiri, but you don't want wingers? Does this mean you want us to play with 4-3-1-2? Because, honestly, I think this team needs an injection of fresh and innovative ideas, and adopting a formation with wingers is the very first step in doing so.

22m for SES?

No, wouldn't go for it. I'd rather give him a chance then sell him for that amount.

According to latest reports, there is a possibility of Niang going to Genoa in January and either Lodi or Kucka going the other way.

Seriously, Lodi? He's sooooo mediocre. I'd get Kucka any day of the week instead.

Kucka please.

Good news, we need cover for De Jong in that midfield and Muntari seriously needs to be sold as well

Also with Honda coming in and Kaka really making his mark while Robinho is seemingly back in form and doing well, plus with SES and Pazzo coming back from injury, there is no space for Niang. I'd rather that time be given to Saponara instead

Poli and Kucka as subs for Monto and De Jong would be great.

20m for ElSha? Hell yeah.

Can't help but notice that Pastore has only played in Ligue 1 5 times this season and made 0 appearanced in the CL. With how many players in his position they have, I think he could leave this summer and he's hinted at a Milan move in the future. Pleeeaaase Silvio.

+∞. All for it.

Yeah he's hinted multiple times now that he'd like to join Milan. Depends on how much PSG would want for him, they still owe us for that cut price deal on Zlatan and Silva.

But aren't we going to be filled with too many AMs now?

First we had none now we're going into an overload of attacking mids

I think we need to think about other positions before spending money we don't have for positions that are already covered.

Maybe we could directly swap with El Shaa. I think PSG were interested in him in the past.

That still would make zero sense

If I'm going to swap SES with someone at PSG it would have to be Verratti

Poli should be played as a starter if you ask me.


+1 Absolutely

Oh, absolutely. Through and through, no reason for him not to!

Why? Pastore can easily play on the wing.



That would be awesome.

But having Verratti would be even more awesome

We can easily find someone to replace SES on the wing, even go with Balo on the left, Pazzo up front if we don't find anyone immediately, Verratti is the future of that Italian midfield, he'll be the man to finally replace Pirlo. If I had a chance at one of them I'd go for Verratti, no competition.

@ Fillipo, I think Monto is the better fit in a double pivot system. Poli is better in a more advanced position it would be a slight waste for him there, you could even play him as part of the 3 behind the striker.

So Monto for me should still be the starter, especially in that sort of system

Dude, Verratti is untouchable for PSG. Why are you even considering him? We're talking about Pastore because he's a bench player now at PSG.

Well there was talk of them exchanging him for Pogba recently...

Don't know, depends on how much they want SES.

Because in the case for Pastore they'd probably have to give us the player + cash for SES, while for Verratti we'd be the ones to have to give them cash + player.

But my point was, if I was going to exchange SES for anyone at PSG then that would be Verratti

Pastore + Cash for SES?

I don't mean to be a jerk, that genuinely made me lol...

Yeah, han, what? It's gonna be the other way around. SES + cash for Pastore.

Certainly. Who is SES? He's only played like, what, 4 months of good football?

He's a glorified bench warmer for them, while SES is a highly rated young player who teams offered over 30m for this summer. So yes, no matter how much you think Pastore is better, SES has more value on the market atm

I'm pretty sure he would have been sold if an offer of 20m was made in the summer. I certainly don't believe an offer of 30m was made.

There was, Galliani and SES talked about it themselves

Pastore has proven creativity, Shaarawy can't even dribble correctly. A direct swap would be a surprise. If we do hand him over, it will have to be with a bag of gold. Maybe the kid does pick up his game, then he can be a better player than Pastore, but right now there is no comparison.

It's like asking Oscar plus cash for the Pharaoh, which in most realities is just not on! My humble $0.02.

The fact that he can't dribble has nothing to do with this

SES is a striker plain and simple, Pastore is an AM. Absolutely NO comparison between the 2

And as I said, Pastore atm has a low market value, why? Because he's been permanently benched at PSG. SES atm is a hot commodity no matter how much some here under value him because he lost form last season, meaning he wasn't scoring goals, and for a striker that's a killer, especially when said striker is being played out wide and his weaknesses as a player become even more visible.

Just read some stuff out there and see what the general football fan who doesn't watch Milan on a regular basis thinks and you'll know why a club would want to pay a lot for SES right now

Well, that was just used as a pointer, because really Shaarawy has little going for him at the moment. Limited in technique, played out of his comfort zone, injuries, coupled with the arrival of big names like Balotelli (who himself seems to be suffering from this last disease) and Kaka, and more incoming next windows.

And honestly, by some quality dribbling the guy can get some of his confidence back, beat opponent defenders and score some goals or provide some assists. His cupboard is bare. Pato was limited, this guy is underdeveloped. Not to mention the conditions are not helping.


Direct comparison, no, but he both have certain similarities going for them. Age, hype, some proven records, both play for big clubs, and both are attackers that can potentially directly influence results. Plus, I'd have to think really hard to label Shaarawy a striker nowadays, even if he made his name in that position. He's just a forward.


I guess that depends, we do not have market details, few do actually. Sitting at a bench does not guarantee a player has devalued to such an extent. Shaarawy at best is currently a 20m buy, Pastore a 30m. Maybe we can nudge back another 5m, but that just seems to be about it.

And that's considering Shaarawy is not opened up further throughout the course of the season. If so, he'll just devalue further down to 18m or below. For this reason alone, I want to see the kid play and play regularly. Just so we can better judge what he is made of. Maybe even forge an attacking partnership with Kaka.


Well general football fans think and know a lot of things. No disrespect intended but more than half of them (personally speaking here, the people I have come in contact with) are idiots. A knowledgeable and passionate supporter is not, but the majority just buy what the media tells them and spit it out at random.

That doesn't mean anything. The fact that it's Galliani makes it even more dubious. I just don't believe we'd turn down a 30m offer for SES, no way.

They didn't. They accepted like always and "left it to the player". SES wanted to stay at all costs. He is a Milan fan since childhood. It's a bit of a different story than Ibra, Silva, Kaka and Sheva, even though all those love Milan. Being a diehard Milan fan made the difference this time.

I have some good news.

Berlusconi is having a meeting with the board and deciding our approach for next year.


Galliani could have a lesser role at the club especially in transfers. They've contacted Maldini for a director position. I hope he accepts. Barbara will take a bigger role starting next season.


It looks like allegri will be sacked after chievo game with Denis Mangia coming into replace him.

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Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has assured boss Massimiliano Allegri that his job is safe.

The tactician’s future has again been placed into doubt as the club’s problematic season took another unsavoury twist with a 2-0 defeat to Fiorentina on Saturday.

“There is faith in Allegri – he is not the problem,” the official stated this afternoon.

“All Coaches depend on results, but this is not a decisive week for him. If someone keeps losing then there is no one who can survive that.

“This is certainly a difficult moment because we are not picking up results, but we will carry on. From experience I say that we should remain calm.”

Milan, with just three League wins this season, will face Barcelona and Chievo over the next seven days.

Galliani was also asked to respond to Barbara Berlusconi’s request that there be a change in philosophy at the club owned by her father Silvio.

“I certainly spoke with Silvio Berlusconi last night, but I won’t comment on what we said,” Galliani added.

“The CEO is responsible for everything, the transfer market, the revenue, all of the costs. He’s in charge of the whole company.”

Yes let's keep assuring the underperforming employee that his job is safe FFS!! This is business 101 for the idiots.

It's like you have a restaurant and all the waiter does is mess orders up, spill sh!t on the customers and drop things. Why yes, let's give him a promotion and job security!

Heh, I wouldn't mind Mangia at all. But why after the Chievo game? Anyway, I think it's bullshit. Only another loss against Barça could change things.

Mangia? What has he ever done to being considered? Just another Allegri.

Probably just a caretaker till the end of the season. Though I wouldn't believe that rumor just yet.

I think everyone knows going to barca and getting anything at all a draw would be a great achievement with this squad let alone the defence which is not going to happen not with the way we have been conceding this season. The management know the task at hand in the next match is basically already a win for Barca i mean with this defence we are defo going to concede especially away from home in the nou camp. No the next match will not mean he is fired nor will the match after that. They don't want to spend the money to end his contract before the end of the season where he will probably have a settlement and told to move along.

Just read the news Galliani came out emphatically denied that Allegri is going anywhere even after we lose games because hes a cheap son of a ***** and won't compensate his contract. Read between the lines.

I want both of them to go let Barbara and Maldini start a new.

Because he's highly regarded by Sacchi, the only person Silvio listens to. Plus he's milanese and a Milan fan.

Speaking of Sacchi, apparently it was him who convinced Silvio to fire Allegri last summer, until Galliani managed to turn things around.

Anyway, Mediaset today suggests that this will be the new Milan from next season: Prandelli as coach, Albertini as director, Maldini as part of the staff. Galliani can either become president of the Lega Calcio, or join Genoa. Allegri will get fired at the end of the season, or even sooner if things don't get any better.

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Sounds good. Galliani to Genoa is a joke or?

Sounds like some hopeless Milan fan's fantasies.