Yes, but it wasn't the same as with Pato and El Shaa. Kaká played most of the time, whereas these two were/are out most of the time.

Indeed. The troubles we're talking about started with the Allegri era. Those mysterious injuries Pirlo, Pato, SES and others started getting. It surely had to do with the training routine, but also with the medical staff. If I remember correctly, we change quite a bit of the staff over the recent 5-6 seasons.

Actually, Pato's muscular problems started during Leo's management.

Or before August the same year.

With us almost 4 years and bar that admittedly excellent spell between August and December that year, he's been a ludicrous waste of 10M.

I am all for giving players a chance - but he's had quite enough.

Quite enough?

How would you figure that?

You mean enough chances to recover from his injuries? Because you make it sound like he's playing each week and doing nothing on the pitch. Because that's what it means when you say he's been given enough chances

It's not his fault that he's constantly getting injured.

If he's back to fitness and can't get back into form after he's had a consistent run of games then we can talk about giving him enough chances...


Jeez, the hypocrisy!

So it's ok for Bonera to literally sink us on his own in a game, but let's show him support anyway, but for the kid who literally saved our @sses last season who's been injured for the entire season it's ok to throw him out like garbage? Nice

@ x-off. Kaka and Bonera both had chronic injury problems at one point, Kaka was forced to play through his pain at certain points as well which only made things worse while Bonera had issues with his back that kept recurring over and over again practically for an entire season

I didn't say anything about Bonera. But Kaká's injuries weren't anything like Pato's and El Shaarawy's.

Well no, he wasn't out for entire seasons but they were chronic and forced him to seek help from the NT medical staff. Which shows the incompetence of the medical department at our club.

Kurt? Would you like this one? Because I can't be f*cked with it.

What does kurt have to do with it?

You're the one who said that you've had "quite enough" when the player hasn't even played more than a handful of games this season and if I were to count on one hand, I'd have fingers still left over. So how is that a valid assessment to say that you've had "quite enough"?

And it is hypocritical since you're more than okay with giving Bonera or Muntari support when they've literally cost us games due to their incompetence

I wouldn't mix Bonera and Muntari. Muntari is almost a finished player, he has so little to offer, it's appalling we're even talking of him as a real Milan option.

Bonera is a backup, a decent defender who manages the opposite Muntari does (this season): he's able to perform good but then have one horror show every now and then.

The same can be said about Montolivo too, you know? But no one sane would put him in the same basket with Muntari.

no tag teaming !

So, how long till the window closes? Are we gonna make any moves or?

not until more players leave Galliani incorp.

Up until a week ago Muntari was as much an undisputed starter as Kaka/Balo/Mexes/DS/etc

And is it really that different when you have someone who's consistently mediocre vs someone who's good for a specific period then has one epic horror show?

Monto this season has mostly been consistently average, he hasn't had any horror shows in specific games, but mostly he's left everyone feeling like he should be doing a lot more than he currently is, based on what he displayed last season and also based on the fact that he's captain of this team

And based on his perceived potential. I'll not chew this, but I was more thrilled by having Aquilani playing for us than Montolivo. There was a period in time where he gave me more joy, was more involved in attacks. Sure, I have made it no secret of wanting to have them both, playing alternatively or together, as needed.

But if I ever wanted Montolivo to surpass Aquilani in performances, he is yet to show it. Captain and all. Long story short I am underwhelmed. While there have been some good plays from Monto, they are without consistency and reliability. Mediocre or average? Or just a perennial underachiever? Take your pick.

At times its almost like the T shirt is to heavy for Monti add a few more weights visa vi the armband...**** weighs you down , i would swap both Monti and Aqua for Pirlo hands down.

Naah, I can't agree with what you're saying.

Strictly speaking, Bonera had more good performances and less bad ones then Montolivo. But this is not the logic I want to follow. Average? I think we had this discussion already. All points taken in consideration, I think Montolivo is playing a bad season, but maybe Seedorf helps.

To me, there's a big difference if someone is able to perform constantly on a high level and if he fails over and over again. Muntari's doing just that: he's lining up one bad show after another, right until the moment he scores a screamer or makes himself useful. Bonera on the other hand had only one very bad display this season. To me this is incomparable.

Yeah, we should just bite the bullet and make Kaka the captain, with a couple of vice captains. Abbiait, I am not overly certain will be here next season, and Montolivo is just not as into the mix of things as he should be. Maybe he just too passive to lead the team during times of despair during a match.

Mediaset: "Hull City are interested in Muntari"

Fingers Crossed!!!!!!!

We'll pay THEM to take him!

So, Fiorentina want Mexes as well. Zaccardo could also be included in the deal.

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Why not give them just Zaccardo instead? And maybe Constant, Muntari, Nocerino and Birsa too while we're at it.

Mexes going to a direct rival is silly. Nyope.

Just like it was silly to hand Matri over to them after what they did with Ljajic?

We've gone past silly and straight to down right stupid at this point

Matri is a loan with no option to buy. That's a wise deal if you ask me. He was not fitting in with our game plan at all. And with Pazzini back he was at 2.5 million a year, a very expensive third choice.

Mexes, Muntari and Nocerino will be sold. They're not part of Seedorf's project. Liverpool want De Jong but we're not interested in selling him.

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Find that hard to believe. Seedorf hasn't been here long enough to decide what his project even his. Would have believed it if it came in summer.

Find that hard to believe. Seedorf hasn't been here long enough to decide what his project even his. Would have believed it if it came in summer.

But I'm convinced Seedorf knew he was coming to Milan a long time ago, Allegri only speeded up things.

I seriously cannot understand the logic behind Mexes at his point. So are we seriously going to stick out the season, and possible next with a Zapata-Bonera duo at the back?

How does that make any sense to anyone?

Especially after we've seen the levels of bad they can reach this season in terms of game changing errors

To me it's quite simple:

- we don't know what's the problem with Mexes, is it a rift between him and Zee, is it his salary or something else
- Mexes is one of the top earners we have; if we plan on making changes, he's on of the first to be selected out
- clearly a new contract isn't going to happen (maybe Mexes refused, who knows?)

This season is lost, one way or the other. Playing Mexes-Zapata or Rami-Zapata and even Bonera-Zapata won't make a difference. Not one that counts at least.

I think it's a mix of Seedorf not trusting him and his wages being too high. And if there really have been offers from other clubs, then we're going to sell him. However, I wouldn't sell him for anything below 8-10 million, especially if Monaco are involved.

I'd bet anything we will give zaccardo to Fiorentina for peanuts, so long as they seem interested in Mexes in order for us to squeeze more money out of Monaco...

Though it is early Abi, yet if he has someone certain incoming in mind, raising funds by way of selling those he does not need makes sense to me ...

With that said, it really doesn't seem like a coincidence that he took charge as coach, seems like it was a deal done a while ago. If that 'assumption' is the case, then his ideas and subsequently transfer target(s) have also been listed for the club a while ago as well.

The club has always been vague with us like that. We only get the info when it is 99% happening the next day/week, otherwise little do we know.

Seedorf is an idiot?

Do you really have to do that every time they express disagreement with a decision made by the team?

Meh don't bother...

Not everytime, but I wanted to understand if he was placed under that tag or not

Actually, nearly everyone knew that Seedorf would become our new coach, with me and han saying it was already a done deal, but you were pretty convinced that Prandelli would become our new coach after the WC (here). Only ten days later we signed Seedorf. So, it wasn't exactly a mystery like you want to paint it.

Or he is smarter than the ones who disagree with him...

Essien's agents are in Milan, the player is very close to signing for us on loan.

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Danny will be pleased.

He's past his prime, but well, maybe he could do well. It's not that Madrid counts for anyone.

I've always liked him and if we're really going to stick with the 4-2-3-1 then I think he'd be a much better fit than De Jong

I agree but the problem is that, his last great game was back in 2009 :/

A better fit than De Jong? Nah... Like Fillipo said, he's past his prime.

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We were close to a swap with Napoli between Armero and Constant, but the latter declined.

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F*ck you Constant, GTFO! Nobody wants you here.

This is brilliant.

Mexes close to joining Trabzonsopr.

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We're negotiating with Parma for Paletta.

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Ahahahaha, frigging Paletta for Mexes.

Vergara has joined Parma on loan.

"I'm happy to be here at Parma. It's an honor to wear this shirt, and my objective is to give my best for Parma."

1 step forward, a million back

Milan Channel says that Mexes won't leave in January.

What a circus.

Nocerino will be tomorrow in London to sign for West Ham.

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