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Ry4n
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Its more inclined to the premiership atm but we can change that !
X-Offender
According to Sky, Allegri will be confirmed, again. Barbara doesn't consider him the main responsible for the team's current situation.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 06:38 PM) *
According to Sky, Allegri will be confirmed, again. Barbara doesn't consider him the main responsible for the team's current situation.

While I agree other things are also to blame, he's the only thing that can be changed. What else can the club do right now other than change coach? Nothing.
Fillipo Simone
Good God, is everyone gone insane? Do they (apart from Fester and his son) watch the games?? How can someone who's watched Baresi, Maldini, Nesta - be satisfied with this current situation? What is Allegri doing convince them he's the right man to go forward with?

I figured Carlo had a lot of credit with our management because of the things he's one, but one can only start wondering how 1 scudetto can give you as much credit as Allegri shows.

Can't believe this.

X-Offender
It's insane, really. Disgusting even. Nothing more to add.
han2503
Barbara needs to check again, the problems on the pitch are all directly related to Allegri. How can we ever move forward with this guy still in charge, in the next 2 weeks once we lose or draw again we'll be back here again.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 11 2013, 08:28 PM) *
Barbara needs to check again, the problems on the pitch are all directly related to Allegri. How can we ever move forward with this guy still in charge, in the next 2 weeks once we lose or draw again we'll be back here again.


I guess we'll just have to accept the fact that this season is lost, and Allegri will stay in charge until the end. Gotta start already thinking about next season, which will see us away from any European competitions. I predict a #9 finish for this season.
Fillipo Simone
But that seriously puts Barbara's judgement ability into question. That's what worries me. Plus, after another half year with Allegri, some things will be ruined with our team.
kurtsimonw
Are you guys seriously believing the word of a Berlusconi? biggrin.gif
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 06:48 PM) *
I guess we'll just have to accept the fact that this season is lost, and Allegri will stay in charge until the end. Gotta start already thinking about next season, which will see us away from any European competitions. I predict a #9 finish for this season.

Agreed.

Maybe if Prandelli comes it will be better to be out of Europe. Sort of like the situation with Conte when he went to Juve. It will give Prandelli the time he needs to figure out the best system without the added pressure of a fixture list with no room to breath

We'll already be making some good moves this January, I'm hoping next summer will finally see some players being cleared out, especially if Prandelli or whoever is the new coach deems them as surplus

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 11 2013, 06:49 PM) *
But that seriously puts Barbara's judgement ability into question. That's what worries me. Plus, after another half year with Allegri, some things will be ruined with our team.

I think she's looking at the business side of things while failing to see the complete and utter lack of any footballing identity that we've displayed so far during Allegri's entire term.

She is correct in one aspect, Galliani has to go, but to improve on the pitch we also need a change in coach

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 11 2013, 07:08 PM) *
Are you guys seriously believing the word of a Berlusconi? biggrin.gif

Good point, but I don't think there is any need to be lying this time around.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 11 2013, 10:08 PM) *
Are you guys seriously believing the word of a Berlusconi? biggrin.gif


I thought that only applied to Galliani biggrin.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 11 2013, 09:08 PM) *
Are you guys seriously believing the word of a Berlusconi? biggrin.gif


Actually, I'm only stating what the media has been writing. Berlusconi hasn't said anything for me to believe or not his words.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 11 2013, 09:24 PM) *
Agreed.

Maybe if Prandelli comes it will be better to be out of Europe. Sort of like the situation with Conte when he went to Juve. It will give Prandelli the time he needs to figure out the best system without the added pressure of a fixture list with no room to breath

We'll already be making some good moves this January, I'm hoping next summer will finally see some players being cleared out, especially if Prandelli or whoever is the new coach deems them as surplus.


Prandelli worries me. You know the kind of sh*t he plays in the Azzurri. I wouldn't be surprised if the first player he asked for his new team was Giaccherini. And Muntari might also become one of his favorite players. Nah, Prandelli just strikes me as a rich's man Allegri. I hope the rumors about him are not true.
Rossoneri7
My 2 cents, the management show things are calm, yet from the inside their could be more than pasta cooking in that kitchen. But the general aura/appearance is calm and confident. Which is the right thing to do. Or do a Zamparini and tumble all the way to Serie B. They showed faith in the coach to allow him to see out the contract, a decision that could be reversed by one man. The way he does it is also important, we all remember how the Leonardo tenure ended.

All the in-betweens of how Allegri is a shitty coach is already under scrutiny from the upper management. As Kurt said, though there are a lot of problems, the easiest option is a change of coach.

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 11 2013, 07:53 PM) *
Interestingly that article suggests while Babs and Fester don't see eye to eye, she DOESN'T have an issue with Allegri.


Thought you didn't know how to read Italian wink.gif tongue.gif


X-Offender
So, apparently Allegri's confirmation is only temporary. A few more negative results and he'll be out.

I don't get this. I mean, we all know that nothing is gonna change. Why not sack him now so the new coach can have all the time necessary to establish himself? Oh dear...
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 08:39 PM) *
So, apparently Allegri's confirmation is only temporary. A few more negative results and he'll be out.

I don't get this. I mean, we all know that nothing is gonna change. Why not sack him now so the new coach can have all the time necessary to establish himself? Oh dear...

They're hoping that things suddenly change like last season when they kept hanging on until things changed. Only this time things won't change, at least last season many of the players spoke out in the media in support of him, this time no one has said anything, the players are fed up and unmotivated, they're no longer playing for their coach, they don't care enough to try to defend him, most of them probably want him to go
Fillipo Simone
What a mess.
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 11 2013, 09:12 PM) *
Good God, is everyone gone insane? Do they (apart from Fester and his son) watch the games?? How can someone who's watched Baresi, Maldini, Nesta - be satisfied with this current situation? What is Allegri doing convince them he's the right man to go forward with?

I figured Carlo had a lot of credit with our management because of the things he's one, but one can only start wondering how 1 scudetto can give you as much credit as Allegri shows.

Can't believe this.

+1
Danny
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 11 2013, 06:52 PM) *
Thought you didn't know how to read Italian wink.gif tongue.gif


Google can wink.gif
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 04:38 PM) *
According to Sky, Allegri will be confirmed, again. Barbara doesn't consider him the main responsible for the team's current situation.


I just said this in my previous post.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 12 2013, 12:32 AM) *
I just said this in my previous post.


Bravo.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 12 2013, 01:31 AM) *
Bravo.


So, any reason you felt the urge to repeat it exactly as if I hadn't just said it?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 12 2013, 03:09 PM) *
So, any reason you felt the urge to repeat it exactly as if I hadn't just said it?


Maybe I missed your post?
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 12 2013, 12:44 PM) *
Maybe I missed your post?


That's an acceptable reply tongue.gif
acid911
Slow news day. sad.gif Oh, I so miss the proverbial Chatty Cathy. Rumors, people, I need rumors!
dst
QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 12 2013, 03:05 PM) *
Slow news day. sad.gif Oh, I so miss the proverbial Chatty Cathy. Rumors, people, I need rumors!

Maybe we should all start a rumor. Let's all post on twitter/facebook/whetever that Galliani is going to be sacked and Allegri is going to take his place and have a dual role as coach/GM.

Sounds more fun than the best Milan game this year.
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 12 2013, 03:13 PM) *
Sounds more fun than the best Milan game this year.

Which one was it exactly? biggrin.gif
Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 12 2013, 02:33 PM) *
Which one was is exactly? biggrin.gif


Calendar or season smile.gif
kurtsimonw
The best game was Parma away. Allegri showed he's truly a World class coach for the almighty Parma to need a 90th minute free kick to win them the game. We were on the brink of something so special. sad.gif
acid911
Well, at least I started something. graduated.gif The only game I really cared about this season was Torino. I just wanted to see what Kaka brought to the table on his debut, and it was a good showing from the player, even though the team overall fudged it all up.

Other than that, we really haven't had a good game this season. Some would say all year, but yeah!
acid911
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 12 2013, 08:13 PM) *
Maybe we should all start a rumor. Let's all post on twitter/facebook/whetever that Galliani is going to be sacked and Allegri is going to take his place and have a dual role as coach/GM.

Love it, love it. laugh.gif The only thing better than a senile old fool Galliani, is a senile old fool Galliani that is also a coach. In fact, I would probably watch all matches (even preseason friendlies) whistle to whistle for the comedy. And oh, oh, can't miss the humor after the ties, when the coach speaks to the media.

Make it happen, Mr. B. Even if for the remainder of the season.
Danny
QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 12 2013, 02:57 PM) *
Well, at least I started something. graduated.gif The only game I really cared about this season was Torino. I just wanted to see what Kaka brought to the table on his debut, and it was a good showing from the player, even though the team overall fudged it all up.

Other than that, we really haven't had a good game this season. Some would say all year, but yeah!


Honestly thought Torino was the only match Kaka was poor in since returning.

But I did think we played OK at San Siro V PSV. Did win 3-0 didn't we? Or was it 4.
acid911
QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 12 2013, 09:08 PM) *
Honestly thought Torino was the only match Kaka was poor in since returning.

Can't blame you. biggrin.gif I only wanted to check out on the man's drive and determination, and whether he still had it in him and wanted to get it out. There were enough glimpses and promises in that performance, and that is the only thing I wanted to see. Pity it ended in an injury, lack of match fitness withstanding.

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 12 2013, 09:08 PM) *
But I did think we played OK at San Siro V PSV. Did win 3-0 didn't we? Or was it 4.

Yeah, that one was as comfortable as we've been all season. sleep.gif Next two CL matches are vital for us.
X-Offender
How we beat PSV 3-0 remains a mystery...
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 12 2013, 08:49 PM) *
How we beat PSV 3-0 remains a mystery...

Fluke goals, kinda. Both games it was PSV dominating until the first goal.
Fillipo Simone
You are aware that PSV is currently 8th in the dutch league?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 13 2013, 12:52 AM) *
You are aware that PSV is currently 8th in the dutch league?


And you are aware that we have accumulated only 12 points in 13 games? tongue.gif
Jack Sparrow
No we don't. We are all in denial. You don't exist. You are just a figment of our imaginations forcing us to think deep,dark thoughts! sleep.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 13 2013, 01:24 AM) *
And you are aware that we have accumulated only 12 points in 13 games? tongue.gif

Yeah, we both suck. Happy tongue.gif
X-Offender
So, apparently a mini-revolution will take place in January. Aside from Rami and Honda, who we've already signed, we're interested in Burdisso, Santon, Kucka and Lodi. A few players will leave, including Zaccardo, Constant, Nocerino and Saponara. The fates of Balotelli and El Shaarawy are still an enigma.

Link

Burdisso and Lodi are crap, we shouldn't even consider signing them. With Mexes, Rami, Zapata, Silvestre and Bonera we should be fine in defense for this season.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 04:16 PM) *
we're interested in Burdisso, Santon, Kucka and Lodi.

Santon is very good, but the other names are just so similar to the signings that have helped us get in this mess in the first place. We're not going to make the CL with mid-table quality Serie A players.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 02:16 PM) *
With Mexes, Rami, Zapata, Silvestre and Bonera we should be fine in defense for this season.


Only 2 of them are half good enough to be Milan defenders. Silvestre is barely squad, Bonera is squad, Zapata is in atrocious form, and Mexes, while he's been ok this season has been off his best. My optimism allows me to suggest Rami might be decent.

The word 'fine' covers nothing about any area of the park currently or in the near future.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 14 2013, 05:21 PM) *
Santon is very good, but the other names are just so similar to the signings that have helped us get in this mess in the first place. We're not going to make the CL with mid-table quality Serie A players.


I don't think there are any remote chances of us making the CL for next season regardless of who we sign.

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 14 2013, 05:40 PM) *
Only 2 of them are half good enough to be Milan defenders. Silvestre is barely squad, Bonera is squad, Zapata is in atrocious form, and Mexes, while he's been ok this season has been off his best. My optimism allows me to suggest Rami might be decent.

The word 'fine' covers nothing about any area of the park currently or in the near future.


Mexes and Rami are more than fine, Zapata is in bad form but last season proves that he's a good defender, and Silvestre has done well in those few games he's played. Yeah, I think 'fine' is the right word to use in this situation. Not good, not great, but fine.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 03:02 PM) *
I don't think there are any remote chances of us making the CL for next season regardless of who we sign.



Mexes and Rami are more than fine,


No, I'd stop at fine for those two at the most generous and no more. We're used to Maldini, Silva and Nesta, by comparison these two are absolutely pathetic.

Mexes has had a decent career but nothing more. He's achieved little at club level since Auxerre, has had a generous 30 caps or so for his country, and suffers dubious temperament. He's fine. Just about.

Rami we don't know about. The majority of us barely even knew who he was. And his career is debatable. He's only fine if he turns out to be.

QUOTE
Zapata is in bad form but last season proves that he's a good defender,


It also 'proved' Constant was a good left back.
This season may be showing what these players really are?
After all, the team's appalling form hasn't affected every player.

QUOTE
and Silvestre has done well in those few games he's played. Yeah, I think 'fine' is the right word to use in this situation. Not good, not great, but fine.


Silvestre has done well? He scored a goal, yes, but we lost 3-2 in Parma! Our defence has actually been even worse with him in it than not.

Honestly, I think you're trying to find something positive, and I don't actually blame you. But no Milanista proud of the club's name can truly look at our central defence other than f*cking abominable at every level.

Unless you are going to use the Allegri excuse, which I don't 100% dispute, but his poor management does not make Mexes try to punch Chiellini, or Zapata just get plain beaten in the air by Toni. Or let him go completely.

Nah, our defence, while last year ok, has this year run out of puff and is requiring an overhaul of a quality higher than Rami. I don't deny Adil's career isn't rubbish, but it's just not Silva. Barely even bronze imo.
acid911
QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 14 2013, 09:23 PM) *
I don't deny Adil's career isn't rubbish, but it's just not Silva. Barely even bronze imo.

laugh.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif Nice one, Dan!
X-Offender
But you do realise that in the second half of last season, with the same players, we conceded the least amount of goals in all Serie A. I don't think the players per se are the real problem here. Roma has conceded only 3 goals so far, but last season they leaked goals from left to right. And they had pretty much the same players. It's more the fact that the team doesn't work as a unit which influences the defence as well.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 03:32 PM) *
But you do realise that in the second half of last season, with the same players, we conceded the least amount of goals in all Serie A. I don't think the players per se are the real problem here. Roma has conceded only 3 goals so far, but last season they leaked goals from left to right. And they had pretty much the same players. It's more the fact that the team doesn't work as a unit which influences the defence as well.


From November to May we were the best team in Serie A, and the reason for that was because our midfield and attack, especially from Balo's arrival onwards, managed to keep the defence fairly protected.

It's telling that Juve's Buffon save per game ratio from November to May is almost identical to Abbiati's (1.41 saves compared to 1.56). Inter's Handanovic, by comparison, is at 2.2.

In other words Inter's defence got far more highly pressured than Juve or Milan's.

Meaning our midfield and attack, especially Balo, did a very good job of reducing the pressure by quite simply keeping the ball away from it, to nearly the same level as Juve - proven because Abbiati had to make considerably less saves than Handanovic.

It's the tactic Barca use - they keep the ball so much up field their defence is barely tested. So the fact it's awful hardly matters. And it's why Bayern utterly destroyed them last season.
Danny
QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 14 2013, 03:30 PM) *
laugh.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif Nice one, Dan!


*takes a bow*
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 05:02 PM) *
I don't think there are any remote chances of us making the CL for next season regardless of who we sign.

I mean in the future seasons too. We need some real quality.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 14 2013, 07:01 PM) *
From November to May we were the best team in Serie A, and the reason for that was because our midfield and attack, especially from Balo's arrival onwards, managed to keep the defence fairly protected.

It's telling that Juve's Buffon save per game ratio from November to May is almost identical to Abbiati's (1.41 saves compared to 1.56). Inter's Handanovic, by comparison, is at 2.2.

In other words Inter's defence got far more highly pressured than Juve or Milan's.

Meaning our midfield and attack, especially Balo, did a very good job of reducing the pressure by quite simply keeping the ball away from it, to nearly the same level as Juve - proven because Abbiati had to make considerably less saves than Handanovic.

It's the tactic Barca use - they keep the ball so much up field their defence is barely tested. So the fact it's awful hardly matters. And it's why Bayern utterly destroyed them last season.


That's one (correct) way of looking at it. Another way of putting is that our defenders felt comfortable, thus leading to as few mistakes and blunders as possible. Moreover, we were coming from a positive strike of results, which boosted team morale and confidence. That's what I mean by the team working as a unit. Despite playing some ugly football, we still managed to grab positive results in most games. Right now, none of that is working. The defence is doing crap, but the attack is not doing any better, either. And in midfield, apart from De Jong and Poli, nearly everyone else is under-performing.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 14 2013, 07:42 PM) *
I mean in the future seasons too. We need some real quality.


And a good coach. wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 07:12 PM) *
And a good coach. wink.gif

Agreed. There's very little that doesn't need an upgrade. sad.gif
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