I don't agree. Revenue dictates the majority of it. A club can always lower certain expenses, but you can't just increase revenue.

For example (and these figures are totally random so don't look into the numbers too much):

Milan revenue is £200m, expenses are £220m - That puts us at negative £20m

Everton revenue is £50m, expenses £50m - That puts them at breaking even.

Milan can (which is what you're saying they're doing now) cut down the wage bill, sell players and lets say their revenue sticks at £200m, but now expenses are at £180m. Milan now, despite spending £130m on the club more than Everton are actually in a better position.

This is why it's a load of balls to me. It's about meking the rich richer by making sure other teams can't break into the CL to improve their revenue. It's all geared towards keeping the status quo whilst hiding behind this Fair Play nonesense (which as showed above, is anything but 'fair'.)

How do you know that? I don't remember anyone saying such a thing. And if they refuse to sell it, then Inter and us can get new stadiums and San Siro will become useless to them as a result.

Under FFP Milan wont be at EUR270MM in Revenue. You have to factor in the demand for tickets (fell to a new record low this season), take into account Merchandise, TV distribution, European prize money, if we get a chance to participate ...

Let's say Everton finish in Europe this season. This means that they have the chance to get increased commercial revenue (more sponsors, sponsor bonuses), and of course the money from the Europa league (TV revenues plus stadium attendance for Europe games).

So I would imagine around another 12 million a year.

So now their revenue has increased by another 12million. While their expense remains at the 50 million. So that's 12 million a year extra they have got.

Now earlier, there was a chance that another 'big' club could just come in a raid one of their players for zilch, and they're back to square one.

Now it's not happening so much. Chelsea or Man U or Man C cannot come in and plonk down a crazy sum from 25 to 40 million for Fellaini as was their wont.

For starters if they're plopping down say 25 million (@ 8 million a year for 3 years), and let's be honest, Fellaini at any of the big clubs is still squad material, so the only way they can convince him is to pay huge wages.

So let's say Big Club's expenses are 8 million for the transfer plus wages for Fellaini at 4 million a year (he is on 3 at Everton right now), they have to be prepared to put out 12 million a year extra on their expense sheet.

Question is, can they do it and not wreck their books. We already know that they are not making a profit. So will an additional 12 million on the deficit column still keep them within Europe?

On the other hand for an extra 1 million on their 'expense' column Everton can keep Fellaini at matching wages, and promise him the starting role..so they're building on it.

Plus they could of course reinforce their strength which is a great scouting system wherein they pick up great players on the cheap.


As for the web's oft repeated cliche argument..the big clubs will just flip the bird and go play their own league...don't be silly.

Real, Barca, Bayern (in fact ALL german CL clubs), Juve, Milan, Inter (probably), Man Utd, Chelsea are all in tune with FFP.

So now, unless you're suggesting Man City, PSG, a few second tier Spanish clubs going off to play a league of their own will make the world stop...then nothin's gonna happen. These clubs will have to come around eventually.

I don't know who the hell this Charles Green is. But what a randomly insulting comment to make. As for his final comment, what Man U have put into the World of football is massive? Sure. Though I'm not sure there's a more influential club in the history of the game than us, but if it makes him feel better, whatever.

How so?

William McGregor (our chairman) created the first football league. At the time, with the FA Cup being the only competitive competition, teams were basically having to fold because they couldn't afford to keep running particularly if they went out quickly.

The league meant there were more meaningful games and it grew from there.

That clown's since apologised for his comments anyway.

Good for the heritage of the EPL.

Btw. considering QPR are last, how well is Julio Cesar doing?

Agreed. As much as I hate Liverpool, it's one of the stadiums that needs to remain.


Clean sheet on his debut against Chelsea and played great in a loss against Spurs. Wasn't very good against West Brom or West Ham though - seems to play to the big occassion I suppose.

Man City's cheapest season ticket is cheaper than Newport County's cheapest season ticket.

Villa's average season ticket prices are lower than Rotherham, Southend and Bournemouth.

Surely lower league football would benefit lowering prices a bit and getting more people in the ground as a result? Chances are you'd make a little more money AND have a better home atmosphere. Some of the prices are shocking.

Since when did Azpilcueta play for Chelsea? Just noticed it playing FIFA.

Haha, I also just noticed it yesterday.

That is weird.Got the link to the prices anywhere?

BBC - Price of Football

Joe Bennett all but confirmed our relegation. Must win game, 1-0 up and he gets the most retarded 2nd yellow card to leave us with 10 men with 40 minutes to play. Some heroic defending after that, but when Phil Dowd is reffing a Villa game, there's 1 outcome that's not going to happen and it's the one we needed.

Didn't see the 2nd half but seemed Norwich had a pretty good case for a penalty ignored in the 1st.

He got no major decisions wrong, but even the commentators were basically laughing at decisions towards the end at how Norwich were the far more physical team and yet he refused to do anything against them. We were getting books/free-kicks against us for nothing.

Penalty? If 50/50 shoulder-to-shoulder challenges are penalties you'd see 5 or 6 a game.

2-2 between United the Chelsea in the middle of the second hald and then the ref gave Chelsea two red cards (the second to Torres was completely bogus) and United win 3-2 from an offside goal

Suarez had a completely good goal disallowed earlier. Would've been his hat-trick and a 94th minute winner in a local derby. Couldn't happen to a better person.

No love for the League Cup? Two crazy games: Chelsea beat United 5-4 and Arsenal came back from 0-4 to beat Reading 7-5

I read about the incredible Arsenal comeback, but I had no idea about the Chelsea-ManU game. Crazy results indeed.

So many late goals this round, around 6 in the last few minutes of a game.

The Chelsea game was amazing, and justice was served for the league game which was handed over to United last weekend

Mata > Iniesta. Yeah I said it.

It could be 83-82, it's still the league cup, couldn't care less about it.

Yeah, and you shouldn't have said it.

As long as it's a good game, I don't really care how important the cup/league is.

It must have been 2 stunning games, the main story over here is racism from a Chelsea fan to Welbeck, top-flight English football is literally turning into Eastenders, shambles.

Yes, it was entertaining.

Seems like recently there's always some story about racism going on. Players to players, fans to players...

Take that O'Neill you ****.

League table agrees

We lost to Harrogate Town Can't be doing with the FA Cup anymore, mediocre at best competition these days and we never get a big draw anyway. Least we can focus on the league now without distraction.

Of Cup competitions, the FA Cup is the only one I take seriously to be honest.

Because of the tradition or?

I find it as bad as the League Cup these days to be honest.

League Cup's been great last few years though. United/Arsenal/Chelsea/City know there's not enough trophies to go around so they've gotta try and win what they can.

I'd rather watch League Cup than Champions League nowadays!

this was probably posted last season but what an insane goal and i love that top comment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwWrvjRN7p8...feature=related

Just saw this on the Mail website



Those big spenders

Whoever said typos were not fun, obviously did not have a comedy bone in his body!

Still think they overpaid for him.

Probably down to at least with yourself & I competitiveness between fellow professionals. Can say I've been guilty of it a number of times too!

Where is Kurt when you need him!? Aston Villa have stunned United, though the game is on at 2-1. And my, my, how Fulham had a chance to get their first ever win at Arsenal's home, and ended up with a disappointing draw. Two end-to-end matches today in the EPL.

2-2 now (Villa had 2-0 lead) and almost 2-3 bt RvP. United are the best team in the world in comebacks. Just this season they have done it about 10 times.

And they have done it again. Chicharito with a hat-trick.

I don't post during games anymore, Acid, too much jinx.

Very proud of the team today. An average age sub-23 and incredible effort. Couple of fluke United goals is what to expect. United won't win anything, no centre midfield.

Ah, okay. Seeing Villa 2-0 up against United was a nice surprise nevertheless. As was the Fulham match. Watching these underdogs take it to big teams (even if they don't hold up till the final whistle) is always a sight.


And less than solid defense, Rafael is nothing special for United. Let's see how it goes.

We'll struggle again, same problems as last season in that we can't keep possession and can't defend set peices - at least we're scoring a bit now.

I think football is in a bit of a down point in terms of quality. United are one of the best teams in World football and they have a lack of quality in goal, at full back, centre back and central midfield. You wouldn't see that 10 or 5 years ago.

That and the fact most media news stories over here regarding football have nothing to do with the sport but more with the numerous sideshows it has picked up in recent years, in the hope they can turn it into a live version of Eastenders, I guess you need to do what sells to the masses of morons over here. Therefore, we don't hear the illustrious hype that we did a few years ago, when, you know, the media reported on the actual sport.

"I'm surprised John Terry scored against Liverpool, they're usually quite good at defending racists"

Made me laugh.

hahaha!