The man sounds depressed ;o.

He should focus on the game and Milan. We need him now.


But simply said, speaking from the heart, I hate this guy. If he caves now, I'll loose most of the remaining respect he's got with me.

Well it seems that 'ol dru wasn't too far off when ge said that this guy is nothing but a bad tempered cancer. Thanks for the scudetto help and all last season but go f**k off to real Madrid now. I have no doubt you'll miraculously rediscover your love for the game there

A really?So,last season he was the leader for the team,scored good amount of goals and assists.He also gave his teammates self belief that they could win,where do you think the winning mentality came from,Allegri?And he's bad cancer?Without him,were reduced a lot.He showed that he can create play,score goals,and work for the team,he spit blood for the team.He is egotistic?So what,most of us but most are insecure about it.So you should stop embarrassing yourself please.You weren't right after all.

Let's play it down. Dru, I don't think this interview will suffice to fully back your theory up; besides, we need the guy now that we have him, you must accept it.

On the other hand, I'm not buying that thing about everyone being egoistic but only a few having the courage to show it. As long as the world will have their Maldini's and Baresi's, I'll always be on their side and down to players like Ibra.

I prefer to deal with the FACTS:
1) Since joining Inter, EVERY team iBra has played for has failed spectacularly in most big games, esp in Europe. Every team he’s left since has done well with a more team integrated approach
2) He is a violent player. Whitewash it all you want but it’s part of the reason the referees sort of ignore him these days when he gets fouled…kind of how legitimate penalties aren’t given to Pippo because of his diver history
3) His mentality is one of an ambitious player no doubt but is not tempered with humility or compassion. Screaming incessantly for the ball and declaring BS things like “pass ME the ball more and we’ll win” (paraphrasing) does nothing for the team spirit or morale. Other nonsense like the “I prefer Pippo to the Brazilians” etc come to mind
4) The whole “iBra is our leader” thing is VASTLY overrated. ALL of our strikers scored 14 league goals and his CL exploits were mediocre. Not only this but he completely disappeared in the second half of the season. Our leaders were NESTA and Silva THEN iBra and Robinho/Pato.
5) Getting older. Is 30 now and fast becoming ANOTHER OLD SLOW, HIGHLY paid player
6) Nice to see his “I’m losing motivation” comments being rationalized away by the groupies . If most anyone else said the same they would have been called “spoiled”, “mercenary” etc etc But as iBra is a forum darling of sorts he gets a free pass. Again, kicking Strasser in training, the fight with Onyewu and the continued animosity towards Pato have all been swept under the rug in exchange for his game winning performances before Christmas.
7) Allegri is at his laziest and worst with iBra on the field. We become a poor man’s version of the old Printer where the team forms a wall behind iBra, and with 0 creativity in hand, expect him to BE the offense

Even with all of the above ssid he IS a champion and does bring a lot of positives to the team. With Pato failing to be as consistent as we need he is our best striking option atm. Who needs to be ERADICATED is Allegri

Come again?

I'm with you dru, all valid points resepectively. People like Ibra are kn own as enigmas - you either love 'em or hate 'em. There isn't a center point for them. I also agree with your final analysis, that he does bring a lot of positives to the team (which unsurprisingly is a must for a player of his calibre and payscale). So that's that, I guess.

I disagree

1) i do think Inter and Barca's treble had littlw to do with the lack of Ibra... Granted Inter got better, but they had mourinho making the whole team attack and defend and also they got eto'o practically for peanuts, which helped.

2) I would say he defends himself, sometimes to a fault but i would not say he is violent like Cana or anything. I do honestly believe he is a tough guy and not violent by nature as you make him out to be. Hell, even pato was pushing and showing last game he played and i'd hardly consider him a goon... Hell i've seen rAmbro blatantly and viciously foul players and he is the team captain...

3) God forbid he should speak his mind.... Granted sometimes it does cause a controversy, again, to a fault but is he really that far off? Even our cocky Swagdorf knows deep down inside Ibra is 85% of our offense atm. I kind of like that sincerity about him, the same way i like Zeman's honesty. Football needs some off-color stars that don't necessarily think they are richer, better looking and smarter then everyone. I am 1 who honestly believes if we gave him the ball more we can win more...

4) Ibra was our leader because while we were playing like **** at the beginning of the season last year, he was getting all these wondergoals against the grain of play. Surely i wasn't the only one to think he saved our as$ess on more then one occasion...

5) i think grouping Ibra, arguably the best CF in the world, with the likes of Rino, Ambro and Seedorf is truly an example of a false equivalency ... Surely you must to...

6) this speaks plenty of the squad, coaches then it does him being lazy. you can hate the comments all you want but you can't tell me with a straight face that Seedorf, ambro and rino have the same motivation. We have seen, especially in Serie A, old-timers prolong their careers with hard work and conditioning, i doubt the 3 aforementioned musketeers give a **** about keeping in shape to compete. He says it, and yes he probably means it, but i do think when he will retire, I for one will cherish the moments he had here and not think of it as a taint to a truly legendary career. Besides...winning heals all woes.

7) " Allegri is at his laziest and worst with iBra on the field." your going to have to explain this to me, i was not aware ibra stupefied Allegri...

I can never genuinely this guy but I'm grateful for what he's done for us. as long as he opts to stay, I'll support him. but I don't think I'll miss him the day he leaves. even if that means he will take away his league-winning mojo with him.

Seems like Berlu is starting to agree with me.....as dealing with the Pirlo groupies has taught me...a player's hair is the only important characteristic evarrrrr Click the pic

berlu clearly isnt familiar with ibra's ego.. its just asking for trouble.

Okay, did I miss anything? What did Berlusconi say about Ibra now? Any heads up, guys?!

He asked him to cut his hair

It's a goal.com report though so I wouldn't be too sure.

Oh. Though like you said, it's from Goal.com, so that pretty much throws the validity out the window!

I thought Goal.com "borrowed" its articles from other sources, such as Italian press and websites. So, why does it make it less reliable?

Mistranslation maybe?And carving events so they look more attractive?I'm not that sure.

You said it, bro. The put the word "commercialism" to shame with their antics. Though I must admit, it's great for their financial statement, but if they just reported authentic stories, coupled with their general articles, they'd be one of the best sports sites around. Pity really. The instnat I hear Goal.com, a particular news bit becomes 80% suspectible.

So you're biased. But that does not make sense since it's only borrowed from the Italian original.

Yep, that's what I was thinking.

This particular instance maybe. But I've seen enough useless hooplah from Goal.com for it to be ranked lowest of the low for me for footballing news. What they usually do calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence. So instead, I just don't waste my time there, there are other news sites that are more reputable.

At the end of the day, I guess, it also comes down to skimming throught the stories. If they are reporting stuff from other outlets, then one can say that it's okay. If they are pulling it out of their creative (not) heads, then not so.

That's called pars pro toto and I don't think it's a good method: you can't judge every article on account of your earlier assessment.

Also, there's so many crappy news sites from Russia, Albania, Croatia, Serbia, even Germany or Italy...that are even worse then goal.com. I don't think they should be rated "that" low. Reliable for transfer speculations? No way. But stories like these? Sure, they're just mediators anyway.

I hope he starts scoring from now on, on a regular basis week in week out ... we've had a poor start to the season time for Ibra to start firing them once the league resumes next week


Forza Ibra ... hopefully we ll have a few more league titles by the time you retire

Need more proof that iBra is an annoying $h!t? look at his scoring record up till he scored 25 with Printer ....then look at his words to Toivonen on goal.crap

Yes, we all know Ibra is an annoying, rude, egocentric human being. You don't need to waste your time convincing us.

What?

I assume he's talking about Inter.

I cant believe I'm posting this Top 10 Goals

Stranger things have happened. Thanks for the share!

Ibra on his dramatic rift with Guardiola



Zlatan Ibrahimovic hasn't held back in his forthcoming autobiography, with serialised quotes emerging this week detailing his rift with Pep Guardiola.

Ibra spent the 2009-10 campaign at Barcelona working with the young Coach before returning to Italy in a move to Milan.

The striker has since regularly vocalised his issues with Guardiola and has now put them into writing in the form of his upcoming autobiographical offering.

Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet ran the opening chapter in which Ibra reflects upon his unhappy spell in Spain and how he accused Guardiola of being afraid of Jose Mourinho, at that time in charge of Inter.

“It was a childhood dream [to join Barcelona] and I was walking on air. It started well but then Messi started to talk.

“He wanted to play in the middle, not on the wing, so the system changed from 4-3-3 to 4-5-1. I was sacrificed and no longer had the freedom on the pitch I need to succeed.

“So I asked for a meeting with Guardiola - for a discussion, not an argument. I said I was being used in the wrong way and that they shouldn't have bought me if they wanted another type of player.

“I told him what a friend had said to me - 'you bought a Ferrari but drive it like a Fiat'. The chat seemed to go well but then Guardiola started to freeze me out.

“I would walk into a room; he would leave. He would greet everyone by saying hello, but would ignore me.

“I had done a lot to adapt - the Barca players were like schoolboys, following the Coach blindly, whereas I was used to asking 'why?'.

“I like guys who run red lights, not pedantic and strict rules. So I tried to be overly nice, didn't dare lose my temper.

“But after this I stopped trying to adapt. For example, at Barca, players were banned from driving their sports cars to training.

“I thought this was ridiculous - it was no-one's business what car I drive - so in April, before a match with Almeria, I drove my Ferrari Enzo to work. It caused a scene.”

Ibrahimovic's account continues, translated via Eurosport, as he reveals his worsening behaviour when it became clear that he would be on his way out of the Catalan club.

The below except is in relation to an incident Ibra alleges took place after Barcelona's 4-1 win away to Villarreal on May 1, 2010. It was the first game after the club's Champions League semi-final exit to Mourinho's Inter.

“(Pep) was staring at me and I lost it. I thought 'there is my enemy, scratching his bald head'. I yelled to him: 'you have no balls!' And probably worse things than that.

“I added: 'You are s***ing yourself because of [Mourinho]. You can go to hell!' I was completely mad.

“I threw a box full of training gear across the room, it crashed to the floor and Pep said nothing, just put stuff back in the box.

“I'm not violent, but if I were Guardiola I would have been frightened.”


football-italia.net

Hmm...that's not really necessary. That last part. Well..at least we all knew he was full of himself even without this.

The sad thing is that the iBra groupies are going to hail him for "sticking it to the evil Pep" and not recognize the career douche that is iBra. I can't remember the last time ANY Milanista was so devoid of class.....yeah I'm pretty sure Guardiola regrets tossing him and winning a CL

yeh agreed. but if what he says was true then barca arent that classy either are they

Agreed.

Ibra has a temper and huge ego issues. But I would lose it as well if I were treated the way he says Guardiola treated him.

Well, nothing new.

How can a club that shipped off legends like Amor, Guardiola, Ferrer, Abelardo, Sergi and many more be classy?

Agreed.

Just because they play "nice" football does not mean they're all that. Ibra has a point. And I once read the same thing about Sheva at Chelsea. Don't buy a Ferrari if you don't have a garage to keep it in.

If their plan was not to utilize Ibra properly then why go through all that hassle, especially when you know what type of character he is.

also Guardiola's treatment was not classy at all, no matter how at fault Ibra was. If you have a problem with someone talk it face to face not treat him as if he's something you stepped on accidentally.

Well, it's never happened before, but I guess there is a first time for everything. I agree with all the 15 consecutive posts in this thread, starting from Suhail's October 6 up till now. Everything from unclassy Barcelona to egotastical Ibra, from printer to Ferrari cars, and everything inbetween. Good show, guys!

It's all very simple. The law of the jungle. The strong survive etc. Messi wanted iBra's role and when he got it he completely dominated. iBra was a massive casualty no doubt but given the success that followed thereafter....it was arguably worth it.

Rui Costa came to Milan as a highly rated player with a massive reputation at CAM. Kaka came here as a young up and commer (no porno). Kaka eventually took Riu's position and owned it so well that Rui, despite his pricetag and reputation was marginalized for the remaining years at his peak. He was no Ferarri granted but he was at least a 'vette. Similar conditions....Kaka infinitely more useful and effective just as Messi was when compared to iBra. Kaka was the face of Milan, again think Bartha think Messi. Also both Messi and Kaka being quiet and relatively humble didn't hurt their causes either.

Look at how iBra behaves even within our family atmosphere in Milan

Granted my correlations aren't that strong, since iBra is a premier striker and Rui probably won't be remembered in a couple of years but the general thrust is the same Kaka was superior to Rui when he replaced him as was Messi when iBra got the boot.

Actually in all of this nonesense I'm more impressed with Guardiola's class by not fueling the war of words in the media that iBra simply won't let go of

Also in the football racing track iBra isn't a Ferarri...probably a Porsche or Maserati but not quite crossing the 200mph barrier like the CR7's and the Messi's. Even his predecessor Eto'o was a superior footballer. Then there are guys like Kaka pre injury and $heva etc. IF Mr. 14 league goals and career CL KO choker iBra's a Ferarri then so is Robinho and Pato (both of whom are rated infinitely lower and are paid far less) who scored the same with less appearances and fanfare.

All this overrating and undue accolades come from his utter dominance of Serie A. It's similar to how Mr "White Pele' " Rooney is supposedly world class but can't manage to cut it at the highest level in Europe and at the World Cup

Agree with Guardiola's reaction. It was the right thing to do. But yes, he could have managed Ibra a little better.

And Ibra is a Ferrari. Maybe not a 458...but a lesser one.

The only Ferarri that could be applicable to iBra is the Mondial 8

Agree with most of what you said (not ALL of it). good post.

iBra needs to stfu!! I wonder if his own words about the brutal fight between himself and gooch is enough evidence to those who laughed it off...guy is a CANCER

How many times have we been hearing about such things before he came? He spends all the time ragging on superior players like Messi and Xavi.....last time I checked those guys just got on with the GAME and not all of the additional nonsense this overrated $#!t brings along.
If he thinks there's not enough room for him and Balo at Milan then I'll drive him to his next club.....from Trinidad if I have to

I think we all know who's the one that needs to stfu.

Cool story bro. Meanwhile a younger, faster, stronger more versatile player with a potential ceiling far higher than iBra ever accomplished wants to play for us. What authority does this sack of inter scum have to decide who comes? Are you so desperate a fanboy that iBra promotion takes precedence over the quality of our squad?

Ibra doesn't decide who comes, that's your pure invention. And who's this bright, young player you're talking about?

I never said he does....I'm saying that his staying here isn't the key to our success.

As for the second part behold the world's GREATEST striking partnership....I'm talking about Cole-Yorke levels here

Nah..it's his autobiography. He isn't talking on and on about it. They're posting excerpts from his book. Obviously the media is going to only post the juicy bits and not stories of probably how we helped old ladies back in Malmo cross the road.

Besides, you're giving a short schtick to Ibra at times. I understand he is full of himself...but I find it only a problem if it affects the team's unity. That has not happened. So I don't think he is the cancer you say he is. A mercenary sure. A cocky b_tard..sure. Cancer? No.

Here...read this


If it's tl;dr then I'll leave the last important quote: