what the hell was the about!!? Strasser didnt look too impressed!

When I slap my buds on the back, they don't look too impressed either.

How the hell could Pato say Ibra's feet are so big and get away with it?

Pato??? Sacchi said that.

http://www.football-italia.net/sep05h.html

Well, Sacchi was complementing Ibra for last night's game. Then Ibra came in for the interview and started bashing Sacchi in a very rude manner. Sacchi tried to explain he was only giving his opinion when he was asked for, in a polite and correct way, but Ibra wouldn't listen to anything. I'm with Sacchi on this one, Ibra crossed the limit. It was very embarrassing listening to the whole thing.

I thought Sacchi said to him: If your foot would be smaller than nr. 47 you would never score or something like this ?

Thank ibra started to say bullsh!t things...

Gee, I really dislike the guy. Seeing him score yesterday...I think I never felt like this before with a Milan player. Sure, I disliked a few of them, but this...

Nah, that was more of a joke from Sacchi. Ibra didn't get angry because of that, but because Sacchi has been very critical of him in the last two years or so.

That would explain the odd silence and the host basically trying to "save" the program lol...

Ibrahimovic is one of my favorite players but I must say that these days he's acting like a jerk. Well I can't say I didn't expect this from him, but still he's in the red line.

Ibrahimović is not from Sweden, he is from Bosnia LOL people act like that here

Dude, Ibrahimovic was born in Malmö, Sweeden. Only his father is Bosnian. His mother is Croatian.

He is citizen of Sweeden but he is Bosnian

It doesn't matter where you live, what counts is you blood

Why on earth is he Bosnian? He was born in Sweden, and only his father is Bosnian. With that logic you could also say he's Croatian, considering his mother is from there.

Let me put this way :

If you were born in Italy by a woman from Kosovo and you father would be Albanian. What would you be, Albanian or Italian or Kosovar ?

If I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I'd call myself an Italian.

+1

Why should someone (Zlatan?) be what his father is and not his mother? Why is one parent's blood more important than the other's? If you are born and raised in one country, then that is the country that is familair to you more than any other country in the world. (Now it would have been different if you move to one country in your twenties, and then decide to play for that national team.)

You are wrong, so wrong !

I'm sad to hear that from an Albanian.

FINALLY Kurt has someone to agree with him on this issue it's easy for you to say that cause you're European, your country borders Italy (am I right?) etc. but if someone is born to Chinese parents in Italy, do you think of them as Italian? really?

That shouldn't be a fact to determine what you are.

There's a bigg difference between Citizenship and Nationality.

For ex. I'm Citizen of Kosovo but I'm Albanian.

X-Off lives in Italy so it's Citizen of Italy but his parents are Albanian (I guess). So that makes him Albanian.

What X-Off is talking about is something I call assimiliation.

I don't actually live in Italy, I'm here for studies. This is my third and probably last year. My home is in Albania.

If someone with Chinese parents and a Chinese appereance is born and raised in Italy, he speaks Italian as child as his first language, Italian is what he knows the best, Italian culture is what he knows the best, Italy is where he has lived all his live. China he never or rarely has been to, he don't know much about China. Someday someone says to him you can't be Italian because your parents weren't Italian! Say what now? Or: you can't be Italian because you don't look like us! Say what now? I believe that's cruel and dare I say racist? Italy has been your country all your life but then others say you aren't because of appereance or your parents. That's sounds awfully wrong to me. Now he can't play for Azzurri but instead he should play for China where he possibly never has been to? Maybe he doesn't even speaks Chinese! But still: don't play for Italy, go all the way to China instead! You don't belong here! You are different!


What does assimiliation mean?

And you call your self Italian ?

Sorry for being such an "arrigo-sacchi", but I found that wrong and I neeeded to tell you




http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/assimilation

as·sim·i·la·tion   [uh-sim-uh-ley-shuhn] –noun
1.
the act or process of assimilating; state or condition of being assimilated.
2.
Physiology . the conversion of absorbed food into the substance of the body.
3.
Botany . the total process of plant nutrition, including photosynthesis and the absorption of raw materials.
4.
Sociology . the merging of cultural traits from previously distinct cultural groups, not involving biological amalgamation.
5.
Phonetics . the act or process by which a sound becomes identical with or similar to a neighboring sound in one or more defining characteristics, as place of articulation, voice or voicelessness, or manner of articulation, as in  [gram-pah] Show IPA for grandpa. Compare dissimilation ( def. 2 ) .


World English Dictionary assimilate

— vb (usually foll by into or with ) (usually foll by to or with )
1. ( tr ) to learn (information, a procedure, etc) and understand it thoroughly
2. ( tr ) to absorb (food) and incorporate it into the body tissues
3. ( intr ) to become absorbed, incorporated, or learned and understood
4. to bring or come into harmony; adjust or become adjusted: the new immigrants assimilated easily
5. to become or cause to become similar
6. ( usually foll by to ) phonetics to change (a consonant) or (of a consonant) to be changed into another under the influence of one adjacent to it: (n) often assimilates to before (k), as in ``include''

Huh, when did I call myself Italian? I said if I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I would call myself an Italian. I was merely pointing out an example. I could have easily said French or Spanish instead.

d'Arc himself actually came with Italy as example

But why do you care so much how someone feels what he is, d'Arc? I have a question for you: what is someone with a father of Norway, a mother of Denmark, and himself is borned and raised in Finland?

Oh, there's an if .

I thought you were born and raised in Italy ...



Nor-Den-Fin

Well he would be citizen of Finland and his nationality would be Norwegian or how do you call people of Norway OR he is what he FEEL he is. (it's between Norway and Denmark)

Why do you pick Norway? Why is your father more important to decide your nationality than your mother?

And what if he feels Finnish?

Ok I'm not very good english speaker so maybe I made an error. By nationality I mean race... Race is determined by the origin of your bloodline.
I looked in the dictionary and I saw that nationality was not the right word to use or maybe it was, IDK .

About the question. Nationality or race or whatever that is and I want to say , is about lifestyle, culture, language etc ... (I hope you know what I mean :$ )


X-Off translate the word "KOMB" for me please Is it about nationality or race?

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Why i picked father before mother ?

I don't want to answer this question, we are already talking Off Topic.

I was very curious to read the answer. Because I could not think of it myself.

Race, yes, race is about your origin, that's true. Kinda different from nationality I'd say.

If I was goning to answer that I would answer based on what my religion/nationality/culture/education says and not everyone would accept that. I don't want trouble that's why I don't want to answer.



Yeah, in my language is only one term about that

Off-topic guys

Regarding the interview with Sacchi....Clearly Ibra was very upset when he finally got the chance to talk straight to Sacchi he told him what he have saved up for a couple of years now.

It's good to see Zlatan scoring twice against Auxerre. Pato already was on a roll with scoring goals. Unfortunality Pato is out, so we rely on Zlatan goalscoring now, hence why it's good he scored twice yesterday. Ronaldinho gave two assists kinda (first one was Boateng but Ronaldinho did the nice long ball), so Ronaldinho and Zlatan seem to match. That's nice. With Robinho instead of Pato, Zlatan can be the CF lots of the times during the match. Normally we were screwed without Pato, now there's still hope.

Thanks for that one


Hey, nice to have you on the forum, and I tend to agree with that since he was mentioning his time in Barca as well, so maybe Sacchi criticised him then as well...

As for the nationality debate, we've had it close to a million times here, no one ever comes to a middle ground on it. I personally agree with d'Arc. Sure you can live in a country all your life but no one can deny who they really are, their heritage, their family, I am Maltese, if I lived in for example England all my life, I'd still call myself Maltese. A lot of people in the past used to imigrate from Malta to Australia. They still call themselves Maltese and so do their children who were born and raised in Australia.

Ibra might have lived all his life in Sweden, but he's half Croatian, half Bosnian imo, no matter which NT he chose to play for

Do you consider Zlatan Swedish and someone who has every right to choose and play for Sweden?

Corrected.

He has every right to choose, we're not living in medievil times here. Having said that, I still consider him to be half Bosnian, half Croation, because that is where his roots lie, and as I said, you can't deny your heritage, no matter how much you run from it.

I have Yugoslavian roots in my family, in fact we still carry the surname, it's from before World War 1, Sailors used to come in and get married to Maltese women, that's part of my heritage, even though I call myself Maltese, I still don't deny that part of me either.

Yes he was advising barcelona not to buy zlatan and when Milan bought Zlatan he said it was a big mistake. He's been giving Zlatan a lot of undeserved bitchin...it is obvious Sacchi isn't very found of zlatan.

See this is what I love about Canada. People can consider themselves Chinese and Canadian at the same time. Just Like I consider myself Canadiene é persian.



Europe still gotta long way to go

Yeah, I'm sure that only applies to Canada...

Anyway, Ibrahimović may be a Swede, German, American or Haitian but what initially was meant is that he has a bosnian mentality rather then a swedish. I think we could agree on that.

Yep he's got that brooding thing down to a T

Does this mean that Bosnian people are jerks/idiots/not civilised or something like that ?

No. Just a different mentality. They are in general considered more open people who react with passion and sometimes affection first.

Well, as someone who is living next to the Swedes, I can tell you that what Filippo said is perfectly true.
Zlatan has a "take-no-sh*t" mentality that's very common among the immigrant population of his 'native' city, Malmö, and there's nothing racist in pointing that out.

It's OK. I just think that Bosnians are not THAT bad. It was Serbia's fault for everything bad that happened in Ballkan.

Bad? i think that "take-no-sh*t" mentality is an admirable trait, that's one of the reasons I like Zlatan so much.
As for the whole Balkan debate, I'm not sure we want to go down there... let's just say I think you're 70% right and 30% wrong.

That's not a religious thing, if you don't agree with me we can talk and you can be better informed.

Alright then, I'm too tired to post a fully renditioned arguement here, but I basically don't think that the Balkan issue is as simple as Serbs = bad, the rest = good. But by all means I'm not condoning anything Slobodan Milosevic and his butchers did to the Bosnians and Kosovo-Albanians during the 1990'ies (though I must say I find the whole "America are attacking muslim countries because they hate all muslims"-arguement even more stupid than it already is considering America was the only country to actually react when the Serbs slaughtered 250 000 muslims in the Balkans).

1. Me too

Who said that? America is the best thing that happened to Albanians and entire Ballkan.

The history doesn't begin in 90'st.

Slaves camed in Ballkan from IV-VI century. Illyrians were native people...

So everything begin then.

But since we're talking about 90's and Serbia. In 90's Croatia Slovenly and Servia were together. Kosovo, Bosnia, Montenegro etc.. were under that state (but their will was to be independent).

We'll continue this in off topic thread if you want, I can see you don't know the whole story