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Gourcuff has got the quality to be a Milan player. A very good one in fact. But he must improve on his delivery first. He has developed into a confident player, which is what he needed actually in Milan. Sadly, he wasn't given enough chance to build that confidence.

Le Petit Zidane, looking good so far.

He didn't only now develop confidence. In fact he was a confident lad before coming to us, what did happen though is he lost his confidence while with us. Now he has 'regained' his confidence once again so he is able to display his talents backed by loads of potential.

I really like him, I hope he can keep up his brilliant performances and level of play, and then maybe we'll get him back and he will be of good use to us.

+1 [one this part btw]

I'm not sure he lost his confidence all of a sudden with us. Fact is he wasn't on the pitch enough for anyone to gauge that. Even Emerson of today gets more time than he ever did. And last season there was Brocchi. If I were Gourcuff, I'd have a very hard time coming back to Milan, going back to that atmosphere.

Who knows? He still may. But sometimes I think our club is either too stupid. Or too smart.

I think that's a key thing, acid. Why would Gourcuff want to come back? Players like being at clubs that make them feel comfortable and given them confidence. Milan cleary did not do this for him, so why put himself through it again?

Well said. The only reason why I think I might see him here is if he's very brave. Or very stupid. Because clearly, he was a kid when we signed him up. Seeing someone like Pato get all the attention, when frankly he's round about as much talented as the Duck, and then ending up not being played for months on isn't my idea of a fun time.

That too in an alien country, speaking a new language. He may not even give two hoots about Milan the club. He's probably not even a fan. The only reason he came here was to grow and play for the biggest club in the world. And guess what? He's now back in his home country, playing in front of his fans, getting a place in the NT. Na, he's not that stupid to come back to this stalemate, when 5 years down the road he may be as successful and earning as much as Kaka. It ain't happening in Milano, buddy. Not until 2013, at least. Look at Lloris, he made a good decision, stayed in France, and now he's round about the first choice for Lyon. Gourcuff will certainly have his counselors and peers who'll guide him now that he's in France. Had it been a loan, then I'd understand, but a deal of this sorts with a buyout clause, that's worse than shooting yourself in the foot with a double barrel elephant gun. Seriously. Whoever came up with this idea, surely outdid himself this time. 15 million, huh?

I have a strong dislike for France, but I'll be the first one to admit their new generation is amazing: Guys like Gourcuff, Benzama, Lloris, and friends. Italy is no where near the top for the next crop (only guys like Darmian, Paloschi, and other teen youngsters give hope). France is right up there with Brazil and Argentina in new talent department. Getting back to Gourcuff, there is still a long time till now and the end of the season. Much can happen between that time.

I'm almost certain Italy has a good new generation too! it has been said and written a lot that Italy has a bright future in that respect.

In defense Chiellini ( I know. but he'll be at the top level for at least a decade, so he's young!) and Santacroce. in midfield Giovinco (who I'm turning into a fan of), Aquilani, Montolivo and Marchisio (has anyone mentioned the latter is good??) and in attack there are likes of Rossi, Balotelli (YES! Balotelli! he's slow and arrogant but really good, with monstrous physique and scary shots) and Paloschi.

I'm sure that's not all. whoarethepatriots or Tennie could tell you more about them. they particularly rate Abate highly.

The only difference is that France's new generation of talented players is younger than Italy's, which is an advantage for Italy IMO as the World Cup is near.

Marchisio, i believe has what it takes to be a future star. He plays regularly for Juve, and for his age that is no easy feat. He is sort of like Aquilani, a central midfielder with a monstrous shot, and he is competent in defense too. He has been very impressive for the Azzurini too.

Actually, there was a really nice article about Marchisio in Gazzetta a few days ago. Stefano Borgonovo writes a regular column for the paper in which he offers thoughts on players who he finds notable. A couple of weeks ago it was Diego Milito. The other day it was Marchisio, who he rates rather highly and tips for future greatness.

I think the kid is doing remarkably well so far and he's getting a good deal of playing time. He's got good potential.

good point

chiellini is already world class, in the top 5 CB in the world right now IMO. i just lvove his style too. i like tall CB but he's quick and hard nosed, good in the tackle and always a threat on set pieces, great marking as well.

theres also lupoli, lanzafame(highlighy rated by juve and palermo fans), cigarini, osvaldo, lorenzo de silvestri one of the best young FUllbacks in the world, (would be the ideal signing for us, wouldnt be that expensive)


dessena is another one people dont talk that much about but i think he's gonna be pretty good.

Bayern to scout Gourcuff - GOAL.COM

If we have any sense, we will bring him back at the end of the season and keep him in the squad. He's shown he's a good player, and can perform in the CL.

Could not agree more.

This management has no sense at all (see retention of useless players, only papering over cracks etc). If he is sold, lets say i wont be surprised one bit

At least if he is gonna be sold, then we shoulda use that money to buy someone better.

Like who? He's a young attacking midfielder (so a position we need to fill) who has shown he can score in France and more importantly in Europe.

He should hopefully get the chance to play in the UEFA Cup later this season, assuming Roma do the business and get the point they need. He's also scored at international level.

Of course, we must note that he is more or less having the side built around him at Bordeaux. He's the central figure, playing quite high up the pitch but with freedom to roam. At Milan, he'd more than likely get used in the midfield three alongside Pirlo and Gattuso. I think he can be quite effective there, but it depends whether he can settle into that role.

He can also play behind the striker(s) when Ronaldinho or Kaká are injured or in need of a rest.

At this moment I can only think of Marek Hamsik.
I would prefer Yoann Gourcuff since he's more Zidane-ish, he's got great skills, he even plays like Zidane too and certainly more entertaining to watch.
That's the problem, as talented as he is, he's not accustomed to Serie A's game or Milan's system for that matter, hence being central figure there doesn't mean he'll perform in Milan. That's my only worry.

Unlike Marek Hamsik, he has played in Serie A since 2004 and scored more than 25 goals already.

Exactly. He must learn to react differently. Last season Gourcuff was mentally not set for Milan. His behaviour on pitch, like the small corner-thefts and other details.

He's a big potential, and maybe he'll turn into something good.

Thanks to Ancelotti, now Gourcuff doesn't want to come back ... he felt unappreciated in our team.

THANKS A LOT CARLETO!!!

By the way when is he going to change our style or when is he going to be sacked????

yea and carl never called him since he left thatis quite sad

Don't blow it out of proportions. Gourcuff isn't that good.

Here's what I think:


When is our midfield going to start functioning in a different way? We've become more predictable than the sky dawning blue every day...

Gourcuff: Milan were a great school, but... - Goal.Com

Who talked about being good? The fact that we may have had a potential world's best player of the future (if everything works out right), and we spilled the chance. It's all about spotting talent and then nourishing it, which we suck at horribly.

Hold it right there!! I have some conounter arguments prepared...wait...oh...

1) I can re arrange you quote and say: we had a potential world's best player of the future and he spilled the chance. I don't blame Carlo or Milan 100%. Why do we so easily foget his corner cheating? Okay, it's a microbe, it's just a detail, but it's so rediculously unprofessional and I never in my whole life saw something like that at Milan (except of Giuseppe Cardone and Luca Saudati).

2) I think my quote of sig. Trap says much.

3) If not, we should say this - Milan never does care or even wamts to care about polishing raw diamonds. That's not our job, and that's not our thing. We rarely do handle with raw talent, like we do with Pato now. But remember Boban? He was great, had much talent, did very well, could have made some debut apps..but he was sent on the first train to Bari with no pardon and we let them handle him (this is the only thing I think we missed - Gourcuff should have been loaned to a Serie A team. But Bordeaux was easier. And he plays CL).

Im looking foward to Bordeux's match tonight with Roma see how he plays against them !

I'd like him to go through. It will be a good learning experience.

@ Filippo

How about Pat Vieira?

I personally don't think every time a young player fails it is 100% his fault, 0% the coach and the management's. I just don't. I think many here share my sentiments.



Why we keep buying them? why we bring them here a let them rot on the bench for one or even two seasons? why don't we send them out on loan right away? no, sir! I'm not buying what you say. and I can use what Galliani said some time ago as proof, "we're trying to be more like Arsenal than Chelsea".

What zd says is right Fillipo. Why did we buy Gourcuff if we never intended on polishing his skills? He was not going to explode, most people had never even heard of him before, it was not like when Pato came. And even if they were expecting him to explode and amaze us that was going to happen in the first season, there was no reason to let him rot on the bench for a second one - and that's what happened, the stats are all there on the official site, he was rarely given any chances in his second season. If they did not get what they expected from him then, since as you correctly say, developing youngsters is not what we do, why didn't they loan him out last season? In my opinion that was bad management and I'm pretty firm on this.

Well, then let's try see it from another perspective - we will earn on him. We do polish him - we secured a talented player for us soon, before any of the money-grabbing clubs like Lyon signed him and then tried to negotiate a multi-million fee two or three years after, we tried him at Milan, didn't work (maybe cause of Ancelotti, I'm sure both are fault), now we let him be polished by Bordeaux. As I said, we did it in the past as well. And he'll return. Then we'll sell him for much more then the initial fee we payed or let him play with us a polished talent. In both ways we win.

What you say is true. I was talking about what happened... but that's in the past now.

For the future, I hope he returns cause I believe in him!

I don't think that matters. Much. I believe in pots of gold at the end of a rainbow. And don't ask how much it counts for in real life. If Gourcuff goes, I'll be okay with it. If he comes back (at least while Carlo is in charge), I'll think of him as either the bravest person I ever knew, the most stupidest, or both.

Some time down the road when Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambro, Ronaldinho all have retired, we might yet look back at today and think what course things took for this lad. Provided he reaches that level. And then, believe me you better, saying 'I told you so!' won't quite cut it.

I won't be sorry if he goes. Even if he becomes the Ballon d'Or winner 5 years from now. Not every good player can be good for you.

As of now, I think he's the Lone Ranger kind of player. Who plays best when he's the most talented player in the team, and the team revolves around him. Kind of like a big-time Steve Sidwell. I think the more he plays, and the more experience he gains, he will soon start to be able to play in big teams as well.

You just compared Gourcuff to Sidwell. I rest my case.

There....I fixed it. But Sidwell did the same thing as Gourcuff. First Reading, then Chelsea and now the glorious club of Aston Villa.

Yoann did Rennes, Milan and the not-as-glorious-but-ok club of Bordeaux.

We can't make that argument since Kaka is the only young player to have joined Milan under Anceoltt's reign and actually settled and he is one of the best there ever was.

But still, Sidwell is not Gourcuff quality. France NT is already building their tactics around Yoaan. Same thing can not be said about Mr. Steven.

What about Pato? Well, he settled already here, but okay, he's still not a regular starter.


As long as that man with football-glasses is the french NT I don't fear to say they're building their tactics around X-file cases...

Funnily enough, he's about the only young player Carlo has given enough chances to..


They're completely different players really. Sidwell gets into the Villa team, Gourcuff wouldn't. But Gourcuff would(should) get into the Milan team, while Sidwell wouldn't.

i could easily see him starting for villa

young-barrry-gourcuff-agbonlahor

with sidwell, reo-coker or even barry hodling, carew the lone man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiLSyEdGQfA

..and to think that he wasn't considered good enough for our team...

his talent sticks out like a sore thumb

Future World Player of the year one day (...hopefully with Milan)

here...for all the non believers, who have 15 minutes...here is a display of the sort of stuff we could have seen him do in our shirt if he had just played. he gave such a small glimpse of his dribbling technique, and barely ever got to take a set piece, or play for more than 30 minutes in a match...just shows what confidence can do for a player.

**However, I will concede this point. He still holds the ball for too long. this was his problem while he played here in italy, he tries to be too intricate. In France that's fine..here he needs to be more compact, and learn when to use his dribbling..No better player to learn that from than clarence..**

These videos show every single facet of his game that we never got to see. great videos, despite the selection of soundtrack..

Gourcuff 08/09 Season Review - Bordeaux & French call ups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzrVeElDgLY...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYaH0D-IsK0

He's good in france, yes. but are the defenders in france not giving him more time on the ball to do stuff? Has his second touch improved drastically?

Sorry, guys. I'm still not convinced.

you should see him dance circles, literally, against chelsea. takes on their rear guard with ease..and then absolutely embarrasses john terry, bosingwa, and obi mikel to the point of terry losing his cool and getting a yellow.

Then, not to mention his amazing turn and shoot against AS roma where he completely shrugged off Panucci and Taddei.

his goal in the france shirt from 35? or his countless other long bombs..he is a completely useful player if he's comfortable where he's playing..

..in france. I still belive 15 minutes is enough to show off. He did. By stealing inches from the corner kicks.

Sorry, still not a fan. He's good - didn't deny that - but good enough to build a team around? That's the setup he has at Bordeaux and, to a lesser degree, the French NT. That's also why he had issues at Milan. I don't honestly see Milan chucking out the midfield to build a new one around a 22 year old Frenchman with an attitude.

He's looked very good in fairness to him. But how many times do we say that about players outside the top 4 leagues, only for them to suck in the big time?

geez. tough crowd..i mean this is the risk you run when you sign ANY talent from a foreign league. I think his performance for the NT should calm a lot of criticisms that are levied against him. I would disagree with the idea that the NT is built around him, rather he was one of many players tried out in the zizou role by domenech, and gourcuff has impressed enough to earn his starting spot, over nasri and malouda. In any case, this season will have done wonders for his confidence. He's older, more confident in his ability. I still think it would be a wise move to try and get him back, and have him and zee start splitting time. Then, if there is no real drop off in the performance between the two..in with the new! and if not..let him go without regrets..

but to say that he was a flop would be like saying paloschi is a flop. both are young, came in and did nice things from time to time, but also struggled..there seems to be a consensus that we should be patient with palo..so exactly why did everyone write yoann off so quickly? we all knew pato was the 'new ronaldo' when we signed him, but we also all know it takes time to hit stride. Does anyone here actually believe that he was given time to settle? i mean of all the players we could have let go during the last offseason..was yoann really the most urgent piece that we needed to get rid of?