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Actually, no. I don't. He's talented but I don't think Milan is a good fit for him.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 2 2009, 07:03 PM) 
Actually, no. I don't. He's talented but I don't think Milan is a good fit for him.
Oh i see. Well personally i really want him back but if things dont work out, i hope they replace him with cigarini.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Mar 3 2009, 03:07 AM)
WHY did you post it, why!?!
He's a fucking artist!
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Ancelotti’s Stance Over Milan Owned Gourcuff Pleases Blanc
While Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti continues to deride the French international in the press, Girondins de Bordeaux’s head coach is lapping up the criticism.
It may not have been inspirational for young French midfielder Yoann Gourcuff to hear more negative comments directed at him from Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti earlier this week, however, his current boss, Laurent Blanc, is delighted that the Italian has chosen to take such a stance on the youngster.
“I don't know whether he's going to come back to Milan. It's going to be difficult, but not impossible,” said Ancelotti of the promising 22-year-old earlier this week, according to Ligue 1’s official website.
“You have to prove your worth at Milan very quickly. We can't afford to give young players several chances to let them grow. It's perhaps a shame, but it's like that.
"I understand his disappointment – it's not easy to play just the end of games – I'm well aware of that – but when I gave him the chance to play, he had a tendency to want to prove himself too much, so his performance was solely individual.
"He wasn't able to play for the team. He still has to work on his mental strength, because he crumbled a bit too quickly here. He's a very good player – there's no doubt – but his mental strength was his main problem."
But Blanc revealed that he relishes such comments as they simply play into les Girondins’ hands. Indeed, the player has a clause in his loan deal that means he can stay in the Aquitaine region of France on a permanent basis should the he agree and should the French outfit pay Milan €15 million.
“I'm glad that Carlo Ancelotti thinks like that because it allowed us to bring Gourcuff to Bordeaux,” explained Blanc. “It's good to have an opinion, but it can't be definitive on a young player who is still developing. If we had to give him a report on Yoann's season, it would be very positive, and that could make him change his mind.”
With Ancelotti’s mind seemingly made-up and the player increasingly reticent to return to the Serie A side, it appears that the San Siro is an unlikely home for the flourishing Frenchman next season.
Robin Bairner, Goal.com
While Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti continues to deride the French international in the press, Girondins de Bordeaux’s head coach is lapping up the criticism.
It may not have been inspirational for young French midfielder Yoann Gourcuff to hear more negative comments directed at him from Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti earlier this week, however, his current boss, Laurent Blanc, is delighted that the Italian has chosen to take such a stance on the youngster.
“I don't know whether he's going to come back to Milan. It's going to be difficult, but not impossible,” said Ancelotti of the promising 22-year-old earlier this week, according to Ligue 1’s official website.
“You have to prove your worth at Milan very quickly. We can't afford to give young players several chances to let them grow. It's perhaps a shame, but it's like that.
"I understand his disappointment – it's not easy to play just the end of games – I'm well aware of that – but when I gave him the chance to play, he had a tendency to want to prove himself too much, so his performance was solely individual.
"He wasn't able to play for the team. He still has to work on his mental strength, because he crumbled a bit too quickly here. He's a very good player – there's no doubt – but his mental strength was his main problem."
But Blanc revealed that he relishes such comments as they simply play into les Girondins’ hands. Indeed, the player has a clause in his loan deal that means he can stay in the Aquitaine region of France on a permanent basis should the he agree and should the French outfit pay Milan €15 million.
“I'm glad that Carlo Ancelotti thinks like that because it allowed us to bring Gourcuff to Bordeaux,” explained Blanc. “It's good to have an opinion, but it can't be definitive on a young player who is still developing. If we had to give him a report on Yoann's season, it would be very positive, and that could make him change his mind.”
With Ancelotti’s mind seemingly made-up and the player increasingly reticent to return to the Serie A side, it appears that the San Siro is an unlikely home for the flourishing Frenchman next season.
Robin Bairner, Goal.com
I agree with Ancelotti 100%, I think he made some fair and honest comments. Blanc? Ex-Interista,..
To me it seems like Ancelotti gets defensive everytime he is asked about Gourcuff. Is it so hard to say something good about Gourcuff and his achievements in bordeaux. The kid is doing good in Bordeaux and Ancelotti should say so.
Why?
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 6 2009, 12:01 PM)
I agree with Ancelotti 100%, I think he made some fair and honest comments. Blanc? Ex-Interista,..
how are his comments fair. He didn't offer gourcuff enough chances to even play. When you go on in the 80th minute what do you expect him to do? When you constantly see a young player trying hard in practice and giving his all and the coach doesn't even look at him and completely ignores him that just makes you lose all motivation for playing for the club. That is why when he went on he tried to do all the fancy sh!t because he had no other way to attract attention. You think he is the only one? Look at every other youth player on our team right now, rotting no matter how hard they try.
Ex insterista comment makes me laugh. What does that have to do with anything. Hes the coach of bordeaux and carlo publicly announced how much a of an idiot he is with his youth policy and blanc is enjoying it because carlo is stupid enough to give up a worldclass player for nothing. Watch they'll sell him to another club for 30 million.
The great carlo ancelotti and milan arenow the laughing stock of the world with his stupid comments. Yes our team is so great that youngsters dont ever find time but at manchester/barca they some how get time.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Mar 6 2009, 01:24 PM)
When you constantly see a young player trying hard in practice and giving his all
How precisely do you know this little gem, blue? Because what I infer from Yoann's lack of opportunity on the pitch is basically that there was a problem with him in training.
As for the laughing stock business, I will respectfully observe that you may just be blowing things out of proportion because you like Gourcuff and think Ancelotti is wrong about him.
Here it goes again. Sorry I started the talk once more. Ain't gonna say anything more.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 6 2009, 12:27 PM)
How precisely do you know this little gem, blue? Because what I infer from Yoann's lack of opportunity on the pitch is basically that there was a problem with him in training.
As for the laughing stock business, I will respectfully observe that you may just be blowing things out of proportion because you like Gourcuff and think Ancelotti is wrong about him.
As for the laughing stock business, I will respectfully observe that you may just be blowing things out of proportion because you like Gourcuff and think Ancelotti is wrong about him.
how do you know he wasn't trying in training? Hes a paid professional and i'm basing it on that. How do you know he's not trying? Were you at milanello at that time everyday?
We gave up gourcuff for 15 million. If we had given him an opurutunity and believed him it could be a different story today. When he moved to this club, he had confidence and he showed it on the pitch. At the end he looked like a completely different player. Much worst than he was when he first arrived. Whose to blame for that? carlo.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 6 2009, 12:47 PM)
Here it goes again. Sorry I started the talk once more. Ain't gonna say anything more.
no your free to talk. But please state why you think ancelotti was correct in what he said?
Blue, you have as little basis for your assertion that he works in training as I have for mine that he does not. You weren't at Milanello to see him work harder than Gattuso. 
And blaming Ancelotti for the perceived ills of the world has, frankly, gotten a little old. Feel free to rant, stick pins in your Carlo doll, scream bloody murder, whatever. I'm done trying to engage in discussions that are, basically, silly - at least to my point of view. Ditto goes for Gourcuff The Innocent Victim rants. Post all you want but like Fillipo, I'm staying out of those too.
And blaming Ancelotti for the perceived ills of the world has, frankly, gotten a little old. Feel free to rant, stick pins in your Carlo doll, scream bloody murder, whatever. I'm done trying to engage in discussions that are, basically, silly - at least to my point of view. Ditto goes for Gourcuff The Innocent Victim rants. Post all you want but like Fillipo, I'm staying out of those too.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 6 2009, 01:20 PM)
Blue, you have as little basis for your assertion that he works in training as I have for mine that he does not. You weren't at Milanello to see him work harder than Gattuso.
And blaming Ancelotti for the perceived ills of the world has, frankly, gotten a little old. Feel free to rant, stick pins in your Carlo doll, scream bloody murder, whatever. I'm done trying to engage in discussions that are, basically, silly - at least to my point of view. Ditto goes for Gourcuff The Innocent Victim rants. Post all you want but like Fillipo, I'm staying out of those too.
And blaming Ancelotti for the perceived ills of the world has, frankly, gotten a little old. Feel free to rant, stick pins in your Carlo doll, scream bloody murder, whatever. I'm done trying to engage in discussions that are, basically, silly - at least to my point of view. Ditto goes for Gourcuff The Innocent Victim rants. Post all you want but like Fillipo, I'm staying out of those too.
I just dont get you guys!! I"m sorry and with all due respect but I just can't see how you guys are okay with carlo saying those things but are okay with him fielding seedorf. He pretty much frankly says gourcuff is trash but fields a worst player, seedorf. He says beckham is tech/tactically better than kaka when a non-football fan clearly can see who is technically and tactically better on the field.
I'm sorry I just can't see how you guys are fine with us giving up one of our best youth player for virtually next to nothing and our coach is the number 1 person to blame for this.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 6 2009, 07:23 PM)
Why?
Because Gourcuff is doing very well in France and he's got alot of attention from the media even Galliani said good things about Yoann. Ancelotti is the only one who got nothing good to say about him.
QUOTE (Il Capitano @ Mar 6 2009, 01:52 PM)
Because Gourcuff is doing very well in France and he's got alot of attention from the media even Galliani said good things about Yoann. Ancelotti is the only one who got nothing good to say about him.
exactly. Thank you!
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Mar 6 2009, 08:16 PM)
no your free to talk. But please state why you think ancelotti was correct in what he said?
I don't know if it's correct what Carlo said, but it sounds fair. He said in a frank way that he didn't give Gourcuff much playing time. That it's hard to play good in does 15 minutes. But also that his problem is mental, not directly related to the 15 minutes he played - and on what I totally agree, based on what I've seen on Gourcuff both in Milan and Bordeaux. Yohann has such problems, this I belive is true.
QUOTE (Il Capitano @ Mar 6 2009, 08:52 PM)
Because Gourcuff is doing very well in France and he's got alot of attention from the media even Galliani said good things about Yoann. Ancelotti is the only one who got nothing good to say about him.
Actually, I don't think all the praise helps Gourcuff.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 6 2009, 03:51 PM)
Actually, I don't think all the praise helps Gourcuff.
Why? The praise makes him feel confident. You need confidence as an athlete to succeed. Look at him under us when he had zero confidence. I think blanc has done an excellent job bringing gourcuff's talent out. Much better than our stupid mental handicap has done.
I'm not implying that Carlo is an innocent victim in this situation, but I think it's too easy to go whole hog and blame him for Gourcuff's not succeeding over here. Some players just aren't meant for certain leagues/clubs and Gour is no exception. Look at R. Oliveira; he sucked in Serie A but has lit it up in La Liga for two different teams. Meanwhile, Gour is at ease in his home country and has probably found it far easier to adapt to Ligue 1 than the Italian defensive slugfest.
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Mar 6 2009, 07:28 PM)
I'm not implying that Carlo is an innocent victim in this situation, but I think it's too easy to go whole hog and blame him for Gourcuff's not succeeding over here. Some players just aren't meant for certain leagues/clubs and Gour is no exception. Look at R. Oliveira; he sucked in Serie A but has lit it up in La Liga for two different teams. Meanwhile, Gour is at ease in his home country and has probably found it far easier to adapt to Ligue 1 than the Italian defensive slugfest.
well yes you are absoloutly right about oliveria. But what is the big difference between oli and gourcuff? Simple one got a chance, the other did not.
Oli was sheva's replacement and of course we were going to give him time, there was no one else.
Gourcuff was looked as another young talent for carlo to destroy, like viudez.
So we cannot be fully sure of this until he is given his chance. If he moves to juve or inter and plays well, we will look like inter with seedorf and pirlo.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Mar 7 2009, 11:23 AM)
well yes you are absoloutly right about oliveria. But what is the big difference between oli and gourcuff? Simple one got a chance, the other did not.
Oli was sheva's replacement and of course we were going to give him time, there was no one else.
Gourcuff was looked as another young talent for carlo to destroy, like viudez.
So we cannot be fully sure of this until he is given his chance. If he moves to juve or inter and plays well, we will look like inter with seedorf and pirlo.
Oli was sheva's replacement and of course we were going to give him time, there was no one else.
Gourcuff was looked as another young talent for carlo to destroy, like viudez.
So we cannot be fully sure of this until he is given his chance. If he moves to juve or inter and plays well, we will look like inter with seedorf and pirlo.
I'm with blue in this one. I'm not saying it is entirely Carlo's fault that Gourcuff was unable to perform in Milan but let's state the obvious. He wasn't even given enough chance to prove himself. Unless he played enough games like Gilardino or Oliveira then we can safely say Carlo is right.
Gourcuff scored in the 10th minute against Le Havre. The game is 2:0 right now for Bordeaux in the 62 minute. Anyone have the goal?
Forza Gourcuff!
Forza Gourcuff!
If Carlo stays on as our coach, and Gourcuff doesn't retun, lets just hope Yoann doesn't become the '2nd' French STAR that Carlo lets slip away from his grasps!
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 22 2009, 05:38 PM)
Nice goal! Thanks.
Nice goal, like usual.
Thanks for posting Max
Thanks for posting Max
I was watching that game live. When he did it I was like wtf happened. Sick move by gourcuff. Comon perez knock on our doors
Gourcuff gave an interview to France Football magazine in which he said he learned a lot at Milan and he also said a lot of really nice things about Pirlo.
Heh. Now definitely bring him back. 
also in that article he said that Pirlo had his back in milan and he owes alot to him
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 24 2009, 08:53 AM)
Heh. Now definitely bring him back.
What's with that sig lol
I hope to see him in Milan again as I believe he'd be great in Seedorf's place! Pretty pleeeeassseeeeeee!!
Sleepdwarf Will be replaced by GolCouff. Mark these words and mark them well
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 24 2009, 06:32 PM)
Sleepdwarf Will be replaced by GolCouff. Mark these words and mark them well
marked !
QUOTE (dst @ Mar 24 2009, 07:20 PM)
I hope to see him in Milan again as I believe he'd be great in Seedorf's place! Pretty pleeeeassseeeeeee!!
I don't think he's able to play this spot for us as a starter, but I wouldn't mind his comeback.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 24 2009, 08:59 PM)
I don't think he's able to play this spot for us as a starter, but I wouldn't mind his comeback.
If Gourcuff can't play this spot then neither can Seedorf...I'll be totally glad if or when Gourcuff comes bak
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Mar 24 2009, 10:02 PM)
If Gourcuff can't play this spot then neither can Seedorf...I'll be totally glad if or when Gourcuff comes bak
Seedorf? He's doing poorly this season, and we can crucify him, but Seedorf can play this position. Still he doesn't.
Gourcuff cannot play it IMO. So both options suck.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 24 2009, 09:06 PM)
Seedorf? He's doing poorly this season, and we can crucify him, but Seedorf can play this position. Still he doesn't.
Gourcuff cannot play it IMO. So both options suck.
Gourcuff cannot play it IMO. So both options suck.
if we assume that we have to choose between these 2 only there is no other opation who would u go for?
I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I'm still gonna answer it...coz I'm a pirate b!tch!!
If it is to play as a sole treqqie, like against Napoli, then there is no argument. Yoann is better, since it's just his natural position. Little defensive responsibility, complete freedom etc etc...
If it's to play in the mid three, then Seedorf, coz Yoann doesn't convince me defensively. But yes, Yoann could learn to play that role well, maybe even better. But I still think he'd be wasted playing there (so deep). It's not his natural place.
Playing in the X-Mas. Possibly. I can't decide. I think Yoann would be able to play on the right while Kaka plays in his preferred left position, and that would balance our left-heavy attack. But you have to consider that for the 2 players who can play behind our striker in the X-Mas tree, there's Kaka, R80, Seedorf and Yoann. So again it would be back to the same problem of playing time. Seedorf vs R80 vs Yoann.
And knowing our luck, if Yoann were brought in, miraculously all our injury problems in attack would disappear. Borriello would be fighting fit, as would Pippo and Pato. While all our treqqies are fine as well.
Either way, it's a selection headache. I'm glad I don't have to make it.
If it is to play as a sole treqqie, like against Napoli, then there is no argument. Yoann is better, since it's just his natural position. Little defensive responsibility, complete freedom etc etc...
If it's to play in the mid three, then Seedorf, coz Yoann doesn't convince me defensively. But yes, Yoann could learn to play that role well, maybe even better. But I still think he'd be wasted playing there (so deep). It's not his natural place.
Playing in the X-Mas. Possibly. I can't decide. I think Yoann would be able to play on the right while Kaka plays in his preferred left position, and that would balance our left-heavy attack. But you have to consider that for the 2 players who can play behind our striker in the X-Mas tree, there's Kaka, R80, Seedorf and Yoann. So again it would be back to the same problem of playing time. Seedorf vs R80 vs Yoann.
And knowing our luck, if Yoann were brought in, miraculously all our injury problems in attack would disappear. Borriello would be fighting fit, as would Pippo and Pato. While all our treqqies are fine as well.
Either way, it's a selection headache. I'm glad I don't have to make it.
Hmh, nice contemplation. Nothing to add, it's really a tuff question and problem. Just I'm not convinced gourcuff can play on the right efficiently as he plays on the left.
i think Seedorf does best to get out of tiny areas, because of his great skills, wheras Gourcoff i can probably compare to a much better stankovic who roams and kick a strong ball from everywhere
Goal running a story, about Madrid looking to get Yoann. I presume it's VdV offered in exchange. Another left sided mid. Whoopie! rolleyes.gif
Bordeaux is currently in 3rd place (CL Qualifying), but only one point separates them from 6th. I think if Bordeaux finishes in the top 3, Gourcuff will definitely stay with them.
Bordeaux eye Yoann swoop Thursday 2 April, 2009
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French side Bordeaux are hoping to secure a permanent deal for on-loan Milan midfielder Yoann Gourcuff.
The promising playmaker had been a peripheral figure for the Rossoneri so he was sent out on loan to Ligue 1 to gain some experience.
Gourcuff has been superb in his homeland and Bordeaux want to keep him, but the loan agreement states that they must pay £13m to buy him outright.
“The Coach wants to keep Gourcuff and so do the directors,” Bordeaux chief Jean-Louis Triaud told Aujourd'hui Sport.
“The majority shareholders for the club have said that they will help us achieve our goals.
“The World Cup will take place next summer and France will probably qualify and Gourcuff will be in the team, so it's probably not the best time for him to be unsettled.
“There are many arguments why Yoann should stay here at Bordeaux.”
channel4.co.uk
oh well
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French side Bordeaux are hoping to secure a permanent deal for on-loan Milan midfielder Yoann Gourcuff.
The promising playmaker had been a peripheral figure for the Rossoneri so he was sent out on loan to Ligue 1 to gain some experience.
Gourcuff has been superb in his homeland and Bordeaux want to keep him, but the loan agreement states that they must pay £13m to buy him outright.
“The Coach wants to keep Gourcuff and so do the directors,” Bordeaux chief Jean-Louis Triaud told Aujourd'hui Sport.
“The majority shareholders for the club have said that they will help us achieve our goals.
“The World Cup will take place next summer and France will probably qualify and Gourcuff will be in the team, so it's probably not the best time for him to be unsettled.
“There are many arguments why Yoann should stay here at Bordeaux.”
channel4.co.uk
oh well
Guys i can't wait for Gourcuff to return...He's really a rare talent....Every other team wants him..Arsenal, bayern, inter and even Juve but not Milan?...How dumb is dat...Milan have to bring him back...How do they throw away a talented player like him and leave the other shitty players instead of him..Its very hard to understand...The day Seedorf leaves Milan i'll be the happiest human on earth...My mind has been very unstable in every thing i do..My mind's been flying over the place to know what Milan squad would look like next season...I really want him back...My friends that are arsenal, inter, juve and Chelsea supporters said that they'll kill to have Gourcuff...They said that Milan haven't really seen the potential in him jus yet but that he can become one of the best in the world..TRUE TALK!!! He's really improved over one year and i'm really looking forward to seeing him next season
Two goals by Gourcuff as 10-men Bordeaux came back and beat Rennes 3-2, including an injury-time winner. Bravo Yoann!
This kid has improved drastically...I wish he comes back...OMG how i wish Seedorf leaves...I wish he leaves...Gourcuff should come back...Gourcuff has improved...He reads the game better, is skillful and is actually faster than Seedorf.....God pls make him come back...I mean Emerson left so that room is empty and i actually see him making an impact should he return
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 29 2009, 03:04 PM)
This kid has improved drastically...I wish he comes back...OMG how i wish Seedorf leaves...I wish he leaves...Gourcuff should come back...Gourcuff has improved...He reads the game better, is skillful and is actually faster than Seedorf.....God pls make him come back...I mean Emerson left so that room is empty and i actually see him making an impact should he return
Amen to that!
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