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Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 26 2008, 09:16 PM)
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You expect me to be able to remember every one of Gila's goals, who it was against and whether it was decisive or not?  huh.gif Nah, you're okay, and since when did I answer to you? laugh.gif
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Then why are you defending him in the first place, when you clearly don't have any idea why we are criticizing him rolleyes.gif




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Zed.D
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 26 2008, 09:46 PM)
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You expect me to be able to remember every one of Gila's goals, who it was against and whether it was decisive or not?  huh.gif
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I still have the 2005-06 goals. I'll help you to find out biggrin.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2008, 06:22 PM)
Then why are you defending him in the first place, when you clearly don't have any idea why we are criticizing him rolleyes.gif
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What on earth are you talking about?

Your logic doesn't make sense. So you're saying if somebody doesn't remember every goal a player has scored, who it was against and at what point in the game it was scored - they can't say whether the player is good or not? blink.gif
Nova
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 26 2008, 07:25 PM)
What on earth are you talking about?

Your logic doesn't make sense. So you're saying if somebody doesn't remember every goal a player has scored, who it was against and at what point in the game it was scored - they can't say whether the player is good or not?  blink.gif
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R7 made a point , buddy.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 26 2008, 09:25 PM)
What on earth are you talking about?

Your logic doesn't make sense. So you're saying if somebody doesn't remember every goal a player has scored, who it was against and at what point in the game it was scored - they can't say whether the player is good or not?  blink.gif
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No ... My point is very clear. I asked you whether you remembered the first season and you said yes. So I assumed you actually did.

Well the highlight of the first season was how Gilardino turned out to be a complete flop.


The season after that worse and now this season, he isn't even worth mentioning.


He didn't meet the expectations of the San Siro crowd and his career at Milan has been a complete failure.


You wanna agree with that ok, you don't its also ok. Just don't say that we criticize for no reason, when the reason is so evident and so clear, but you don't wish to comprehend it.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2008, 06:37 PM)
Well the highlight of the first season was how Gilardino turned out to be a complete flop.

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I hear alot of people hear how Pato's half season, and Ronaldo's half season in their debut seasons were amazing. Yet Gila scored more goals than these 2 combined. And as a striker myself, I know that I'd rather score more goals than have more good performances.

But I don't think we'll ever agree on this. Just like we'll never agree on Dida, Galliani and a few other things.
Zed.D
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 26 2008, 10:13 PM)
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I hear alot of people hear how Pato's half season, and Ronaldo's half season in their debut seasons were amazing. Yet Gila scored more goals than these 2 combined. And as a striker myself, I know that I'd rather score more goals than have more good performances.

But I don't think we'll ever agree on this. Just like we'll never agree on Dida, Galliani and a few other things.
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I know it's between you and R7 but I can't hold myself freak.gif

Are you aware that this season Gila has scored 7 goals in 29 apps and Pato has scored 8 goals in 15 apps?




PATO -> 8 goals in 15 apps
GILA -> 7 goals in 29 apps
dst
Kurt's talking about Gila's debut compared to Pato's and Ronaldo's.
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 26 2008, 11:11 PM)
Kurt's talking about Gila's debut compared to Pato's and Ronaldo's.
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Problem is, there's no way we can compare our 2005-06 season with the last two seasons [in Serie A]. we were clearly a stronger team then and finished second in the league. all these bad results in the league started from 2006-07.
Jack Sparrow
@kurt: Now this might make you go 'Et tu brute...' but they do have a point. So do you. biggrin.gif

Look guys....Gilardino is not the reason our season has sucked. Our season has sucked due to a combination of:

1. 2 seasons of accumulated fatigue in aging/tiring legs
2. Fullbacks who like to think Milan is some episode of Friends where they can make guest appearances on and off.
3. A transfer policy dictated by an over emphasis on the balance books, which meant the team had no depth.
4. The lack of a true player in the hole a fantasista or a mobile striker who can play in closed spaces.


But yes...Gilardino was bought in as the hope of the decade. I'd say Liverpool's anticipation of Torres pales in comparison. Esp because he's Italian and though we love Kaka...Milan have always loved their Italian players a little more. (And admittedly, the love has been returned tongue.gif )


Gilardino is not able to play in the system that suits the other 10 players in the first eleven the best. Namely as a target man in the box, who can pull defenders off and hold them. Granted that's not his position, but then it's really difficult to change your whole formation to suit him.

The problem with Gila is he does a bit of everything. He's good in the box, but unfortunately, he can't compare to Pippo. He can hold and dribble and shoot a bit, but he's not Sheva. Theoretically he should have been that missing link, but he isn't.

Perhaps the pressure of playing in a club, where any performance below 8 on 10 is grounds for criticism is a bit heavy for him. Let's not forget, his previous two seasons of unquestioned brilliance at Parma were when the team were battling relegation, and he was praised for standing tall among the ruins. Maybe he's that kind of player who needs to be praised all the time. And a big club doesn't do that. Or at least the press doesn't do that to a player in a big club.

Imo..Milan have done their duty, they've tried to make life easier, and tried to give him loads of playing time...but it doesn't work. Yes...it's obvious it's the system that doesn't suit Gila....but it's more sensible to change the player to suit the system than change the whole system to suit a player.


Lastly the easiest thing to do would be to put yourself in the position of a defender for any team.

Having seen Milan play over the three seasons....now if you're a defender for an opposing team, who in the squad would you rather have play against you. Gilardino or Pato?

Gilardino whom you know is going to be hanging around in the box like he's stoned, and can be taken down or Pato who is going to zip around pulling tricks left and right to confuse you, while in the back of your mind, you know there's Inzaghi somewhere around, and Kaka is lurking just outside the penalty area?

Of course I'll tell you what could change things...

The knowledge that while Gila is in the box and you can mark him down, the fact that Ronaldo is just as adept at getting in the box that unlike Kaka, he loves tight spaces. So now where do you go my lovely?

Or when you see Kaka and R10 charging at you like the old medieval knights leaving your poor holding mid for dead, and knowing that there's a bloke in there to add to the already excruciating pain in your butt.


So yes, there are scenarios where Gila could do great, but in his current form/state of mind, you could even play Darren Bent. He's just not the kind of player whom you can place your faith on to win you the match. Not like Kaka or Sheva or even Pippo. Gila you put on the field, and hope against hope only impossible chances go his way, coz he'll f@ck up the easy ones. tongue.gif
misha
Kurt, why don't you counting CL? (maybe because Gila can't score there even if his life depend on it ) . All in all his first season: 47 - 19 and that's surely no better of what Pato has at the moment. Second season 45 - 16 and this season 38 - 9. And of course stas alone are not telling the whole story and most Milan fans who watched Milan these past 3 season know it.

Europe: 28 games - 4 goals wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Apr 26 2008, 07:46 PM)
Problem is, there's no way we can compare our 2005-06 season with the last two seasons [in Serie A]. we were clearly a stronger team then and finished second in the league. all these bad results in the league started from 2006-07.
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You can't really compare anything in football, ever. My case is that Gila is a good player, that is all. It's just annoying when people will say "he's crap" and whatever. He's finished Milans top scorer 2 times in 3 seasons, he's finished Serie As top scorer twice, he's a good player, that's all I'm saying.

I want him to leave myself, there's no question he needs to. And I agree with Jack that you can't change a system, you change a player, because no-one is bigger than the team.

@Misha. I'm really not interested in continuing this if I'm honest, but even with CL, you can't compare Pato and Gila in this way.
misha
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 26 2008, 11:18 PM)
You can't really compare anything in football, ever. My case is that Gila is a good player, that is all. It's just annoying when people will say "he's crap" and whatever. He's finished Milans top scorer 2 times in 3 seasons, he's finished Serie As top scorer twice, he's a good player, that's all I'm saying.
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Good player? maybe but not at Milan. To finish Milan Top scorer in those two seasons wasn't much of a challenge and you know it. Serie A top scorer? again, not at Milan. And BTW Kaka was our top scorer last season with 18 while Gila had 16
misha
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 26 2008, 11:18 PM)
@Misha. I'm really not interested in continuing this if I'm honest, but even with CL, you can't compare Pato and Gila in this way.
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Maybe, but you started this comparison. I don't think there is a question who's the better player (even though they are different type of players). Pato is the future of Milan, while Gila is ... well, you know.
Habitant
I cant wait for Gila to be sold/loaned, then the bashers will have no one to pick on him, then again they'll find away...
kurtsimonw
That's a good point. tongue.gif
arivanjj
Fiorentina expect Gila deal

Fiorentina sporting director Pantaleo Corvino has confirmed that the Viola are on the brink of signing Milan marksman Alberto Gilardino.

Gila cut a forlorn figure at San Siro last term as the former Azzurri hitman saw his playing time limited by the resurgence of Pippo Inzaghi and the arrival of young gun Alexandre Pato.

The talented striker has never quite settled since arriving from Parma in 2005 and is determined to escape the Rossoneri camp to avoid another season warming the bench.

And it seems that a deal with Fiorentina is imminent after Corvino revealed that talks are progressing well.

“There are just a few details to be sorted out, but it is practically done,”
he told Italia 7 Gold.

“The player has made an important effort to compromise with his wage demands.”

Having stolen Champions League qualification from the Diavolo, the Viola are looking to strengthen their squad this summer and are expected to welcome six or seven new recruits.

Gilardino looks set to be one of their big swoops and could be the perfect strike partner for the prolific Adrian Mutu.

Mutu and Gilardino played together at Verona and Parma at the start of the millennium and have a good mutual understanding.


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dst
Thanks Gila! But it was time we parted ways... smile.gif
Zed.D
OK, it's official...

Ciao Gila, and good luck!
m1ke
Good player, but not mentally strong enough for Milan.

Wish him good luck at Fio - I'm sure he'll do well.
whoarethepatriots
Grazie Gila

I always liked him and always will. But like m1ke said he couldnt handle the pressure of playing for a club like us. I wish him all the best and hope he explodes at Fiorentina, that way he can win his way back to La Nazionale

Farewell
Ry4n
Ciao Gila Grazie !!!!!!!!

I will always remember your last Champions league Goal Vs Manchester !!
morgoth
God. Am I the only one who's actually sad that Gila has been sold sad.gif cry.gif
gal_kenny
That occurred to me too..I'm kinda sad too..Well it was good while he lasted..Good luck Gila..Would always remember that slick ball you passed to Del Piero at the world cup to clinch Italy's place in the world cup final..
m1ke
I'm sad on a personal level - he seemed like a nice guy. But I'm not going to miss his performances.

It's better for him like this anyway - he'll probably do well at Fio.
whoarethepatriots
CL
CWC
Euro Super cup
World Cup
TriniKing_CE
Farewell Gila...Good Luck! - Make Italy Proud!
Answer those critics! wink.gif
amancik
Farewell & Good Luck Gilardino
It's best for everyone
IoRDanCHo
QUOTE (rhy_A4 @ May 28 2008, 02:43 PM)
Ciao Gila Grazie !!!!!!!!

I will always remember your last Champions league Goal Vs Manchester !!
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And the miss against Bacelona, when we lost 0:1 at San Siro, and that was it mad.gif sad.gif
Ry4n
QUOTE (IoRDanCHo @ May 28 2008, 03:53 PM)
And the miss against Bacelona, when we lost 0:1 at San Siro, and that was it mad.gif  sad.gif
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oh well what can you do im sure we'll see him score alot of goals next season for the tuscans wink.gif
Habitant
too bad, he was a nice guy. in the end he has a hot GF, with tones of money so he can laugh at the haters.
Rossoneri7
Good luck Alberto ... And I wish him all the luck at La Viola smile.gif
dst
QUOTE (Habitant @ May 28 2008, 07:36 PM)
too bad, he was a nice guy. in the end he has a hot GF, with tones of money so he can laugh at the haters.
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Grazie Alberto!
Rossoneri7
Pepe Bonera, Gilardino's agent talked to Radio Blu ... And said: "I am happy with how the negotiations went. His choice of moving to Fiorentina was a difficult choice, considering he had a contract with Milan and a very important one, but he chose to go for a lower salary."

He added: : I believe Gilardino will form a great partnership with Mutu .. I am stating to whisper to him already, Mu - Gi .. But he preferred Gi - Mu"



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agenth
15mill. for him isn't too bad. But actually said we didn't exchange players, hmm
Habitant
another thing, he dint sign with the zebras. would have been bad news for us since he'd be scoring a good 20 goals next season.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (mchanna @ May 28 2008, 08:01 PM)
15mill. for him isn't too bad. But actually said we didn't exchange players, hmm
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Yeah well, the only Viola players that cross my mind are Frey and Montolivo. Seems like we're about to sign another keeper, and Montolivo...well, never was linked with us..
arivanjj
sad? laugh.gif


bea-uti-ful!!! ... bout freaking time! dry.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
Ah, he was useless but wish him luck didn't complain often like some would ala Anelka.
Jack Sparrow
I'm gonna miss him. 3 years, of loyal if not effective service, that counts for something in my book. The thing, is letting such players go, usually comes back to bite us, some way or the other.

I'll miss Gila, just like I missed JDT. cry.gif

Good luck Gila..... (what're the odds, we might have to buy him back when he's 30, just like we did to Oddo?)
kurtsimonw
What's the betting we play Fiorentina late in the season and he scores the winner, at the San Siro, to send them to 4th and us to UEFA Cup football? If that happened, Galliani and co. should be beheaded, literally.
KillerMax
That's just some crazy talk... Gila was not working for us obviously and his record in the CL is ridiculous at best. He was obviously not happy about sitting on the bench either so he made the best decision for himself, so did the club. Now will the club replace him with a world class player? Like they should? It's likely.

Good luck Gila!
Jack Sparrow
If Gila did score against us, I wonder if he would celebrate. Perhaps not. Since we've been so nice to him.

No...Gila was not working out for us. But it must have been a technical deficiency I guess. If it was mental, they'd just have loaned him out, and let him gain his mojo back.

He's 26. Inzaghi called him the future of Italian forwards. I have no doubt he will shine elsewhere. Too bad it wasn't for us. Maybe there will be someone else.

Milan really seem like they're running out of Italians. That said, I have great hope for our youth squad. Suddenly they're making a lot of news. But it's in cases like this, that our status attacks us. Since we're expected to win something or the other every season, it's not easy to just let young players play, and gain experience in the first squad and become superstars.

I mean thanks to Kaka and our mid-field, Di Gennaro is probably never going to crack into the first 11. Thanks to Pato, Pippo and whoever we will buy, Paloschi might have to kick his heels for sometime. And our defence, well maybe here there is some room, for Marzoratti or Darmian. But not immediately.

The thing is these kids are gonna step in , and every move will be like...'Oooohh...Maldini would have done this, or Nesta would have done that....the apple's fallen far from the tree!' etc.

Sooner or later the Daniele and Christian are going to start knocking too. And then it will be interesting. 3 generations playing for Milan. biggrin.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 29 2008, 04:18 AM)
If Gila did score against us, I wonder if he would celebrate. Perhaps not. Since we've been so nice to him.
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I think he will. I remember Carlo singled him out in one interview for playing badly, which is a big no-no as a manger, and then the booing he received from the Milan fans. And it's not like he's a Milan fan or anything.

I know exactly what I'd do if I had a bad time at a club that I didn't support, then I went to score against them. biggrin.gif
Jack Sparrow
But he didn't have a bad time. Every trophy he's ever won has been after he came to Milan.

And the media and the world have asked for his head a million times, the management didn't give it to them.
And Carlo has praised him just as much.


You? You're British! You're weird! tongue.gif
Rossoneri7
After being presented at Fiorentina by the President. Alberto spoke about several things:


- He said he was delighted to be at Fiorentina and that he knew from the first day of negotiations that this would go smoothly.

- He praised Milan a lot and that what he won in 3 years with the Rossoneri, he wouldnt have had teh chance to with any other team. He also said that those 3 years were the most important in his life, as they helped him mature .. He also said that Milan is the club that helped strengthen him mentally.

- He says he is delighted to be back with Prandeli, a coach who gave him the chance to express himself. He also, shared that his rapport with Prandeli is that of a very good one.

- He also commented on not being able to make it to the Azzurri, he said he sorry for that, but is not too down hearted as he knows he hasn't been playing consistently.

- He is also happy to play along side Mutu, and that they know each other well both on and off the pitch. He then talked about Pazzini and said that (a typical Pippo style statement wink.gif ) Pazzini is strong and that him being at Fiorentina wont cause him problems, there are a lot of games to play and there will be room for everyone.

- His first interpretation of the club is a positive one, there is a lot of seriousness and practicality. And their first goal of the season is the CL preliminaries.
whoarethepatriots
If Gila scores against us i am certain he will celebrate. When he moved to us we played Parma in January, someone interviewd him and asked if he would celebrate. I am not sure what his exact response was but he did say he would celebrate. The only club he wouldnt celebrate against is his first club (Hellas Verona? Piacenza?)

I am pretty certain he will hit at least 15 goals if not more. I can also see him scoring against us, he does after all know our defenders inside out...
dst
Gila's a good lad. sleep.gif

I hope to see him back in Milan along with Prandelli and Montolivo next season! innocent.gif
vahid
Gila in Viola shirt



mishie
good luck Gila hope it all works out for you!
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