And what makes you think that's more than just a rumor, X-Off?

Because it all makes sense. Like it or not, Dinho will leave if not in January, then surely in June, though reporters are more and more suggesting the first hypothesis. We'd have to find ourselves a replacement, and since players like Pastore (whom I'd choose over Kaka' any day, mind you) are unreachable, dealing with our dear friend Florentino remains the most valid alternative. There's nothing concerte yet, I'm not deluding myself, but it's not just a silly media rumor.

Why is that door closed? And WHY should he be forgotten??

Kaká is a much better fit and player for AC Milan than Ronaldinho is, and I don't buy the ROnaldinho has been in much better form than Kaká over the last 2 seasons stuff. Kaká had injuries and that's why you can make that conclusion. I don't know what the expectations are with Kaká and his injuries in the future, so no comment on that.

Why spend money on an attacker like this? Because he would be MUCH better for the team than Ronaldinho is. In fact, we LACK a good attacking player who is like Kaká. Now we either need to play Seedorf or Ronaldinho (or BOTH) and we come up with the wrong formation or Ronaldinho in the wrong position, or Seedorf we all don't want as a starter. So why Kaká? Don't know.. reaaally don't know..

Someone wrote on Kaka's Twitter page: "Ricky, is it true that you wanna come back to Milan? There are voices circulating in Italy..." to which he replied: "Thank you from the heart. Forza Milan!".

Hmmm...

There is more needed than just being technically gifted to perform well for your team. Kaká adds pace, movement, work rate, a lot, things Ronaldinho doesn't add really, things we need in our attack. Kaká is a better player for AC Milan, maybe Kaká is even a better player in general without being as technically gifted as Ronaldinho (why isn't he the best player in the world then if he is so gifted huh?)..

Go to Inter? Djezes.. are you some hater or so? Would explain a lot.. Kaká won't go to Inter, lol.

Reminds me of the Batman: The Animated Series episode: "If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?" Seriously though, I do agree that if (and a very big if, at that) Kaka ever arrives, that should be the end of the Ronaldinho adventure in Milan. There is no chance in God's green earth we'll be paying the wags of both.

And more than that, the choice rests with Berlusconi here. He brought R80 here, and he will be the one who'll make the final decision of selling him to the highest bidder. I don't know if this change will occur, but if it does, Kaka should better be fit - we can't afford an injured R80, and we surely can't afford a Kaka that stays injured for half the season. Fine mess we'll get ourselves into if we have to juggle these two players, either way. I'd much rather take Ganso. At least he has a future that he can build up on.

Oh.

I think it's just a silly media rumor, to be honest. I'm glad to see your evidence is the same as mine.

The mediaset story seems to originate somewhere in spain.

The last two times Milan brought back Golden Ball winners....it didn't exactly work out.

So no to Kaka bis from me.

Actually, it originates from Panorama, which is an Italian magazine.

Oh my, oh my....

some people only think of the Kaka from his Milan glory days, yet refuse to see the player he's become. He's physically deteriorated to such a degree that he's injured for months on end. You say he has pace? I say he's lost at least 50% of the acceleration he had during his Milan days before his knees were shot to hell.

Kaka is damaged goods, for all the BS talk about our management, we know they're no idiots. They knew what they were selling Chelsea and Madrid when it came to Sheva and Kaka. And surprise, surprise both were flops in their new big teams, injuries playing a big part in that.

Ronaldinho is not our future, he's our present, but neither is Kaka he's no longer the golden child of Milan, he's 28 and has serious physical issues, and for all the fat jokes about Dinho he never gets injured and imo having such a focal player for the team getting injured would lead to big problems.

Next season we need to think about replacing Dinho, but it has to be with someone who is top quality, does not have injury issues and is not approaching 30.

I didn't see your post but I'm quoting this one to show you that I can't ignore you even if I wanted!

Eh, his injury-prone nature is the only thing that worries me. I'm not doubting the player. But we don't know for sure whether his injuries will keep on or if this last surgery will put an end to it. Either way, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

Panorama seems to have gotten it from spain, Xoff. But anyway, still think it's mostly fantamercato fueled from spain (where they do want to offload him).

I don't think it's wise for Milan to consider given our track record with bringing guys back. Weren't we supposed to be focussing on young players anyway?

For me, so much of whether this deal makes sense is whether or not Dinho is capable of playing in the hole in a 4-3-1-2 formation. I want us to return to this formation. It's the formation we have the personnel for, and we are far more balanced with it. If we replace Dinho and keep the 4-3-3, we have midfield questions to solve in the offseason - which would involve spending money for quality. I don't want to see us play the risky 4-3-3 anymore, nor do I want to see Pato play out wide anymore. Every time Pato plays up front, he scores (look at his last two performances for Brazil where Menezes played him up front, not out wide - he's scored).

For those overly concerned with the 'injury' gamble, it was the same roll of the dice we made when we signed Dinho. Dinho was damaged goods when we bought him. There was a high risk in bringing him. He was hurt in his last year at Barca, he was hurt and then unfit his first year here. But we had patience, and we were rewarded considerably for it.

Regardless of whether he still has his acceleration or not, Kaka's still capable of playing with his brain. For Brazil, he was a provider. He wasn't the rampaging, 1-man counter attacking machine that he used to be for us. But he was a smartly positioned, still had excellent control, and made several of Brazil's goals this summer. For all his 'suckiness' last season in Madrid, he scored 12 goals and tallied 10 assists in a season he didn't fully take part in.

I would take Pastore over Ricky any day at this point. However, X-Off and Chu's points about how much better and balanced we would be tactically is undeniable.

Yes, we're supposed to be going towards youth, but there is no ready made replacement for either Dinho OR a CAM position in our youth ranks. We'd HAVE to spend on a replacement for them, and with the 4-3-3 we'd have to replace both Dinho AND make some midfield signings. I wish it had been Hernanes or Pastore when they were all but ours, but B&G are short-sighted in the wrong moments. Kaka is a quick fix, and all in all could be less expensive when you think of the holes a central attacking mid would cover in a 4-3-1-2, as opposed to a new winger with the same midfield issues the 4-3-3 poses.

The question: can dinho play in the hole. For me, this determines whether this move is worth it. He showed he may work out there against Parma, I guess he may have til January to fully convince..

I don't get all this anti-Kaka' stuff. But then again, it seems if you leave Milan, you automatically become Judas.

I think it's more the opposite. Just remember how we cried for Kaka, and now...we're being so rational.

i wasn't being serious in calling him sucky, hence the quotes around 'suckiness'. He didn't suck for Madrid or Brazil. He simply wasn't playing in the same role for Madrid as he was for us. If you play Kaka in an Iniesta-like midfield role, and expect him to score like he did for us when he played second striker, then your expectations are off.

if we were all being rational, then we'd see that his performances for Madrid and Brazil over the past year, while certainly not the Kaka of old, was far from a washed-up, injured, 'complete waste-of-time-to-even-consider', has-been that some people on here are talking about him like.

If we were so willing to grant Dinho the benefit of the doubt when he came, then there really shouldn't be such hesitation to do the same for Kaka, ex-player or not.

It's a dream but I would like to see Luis Suarez come to Milan.. he's a great talent and will move on from Ajax some day.

That's not bullshit, that's just downright pathetic.

@ Zed.D: Thanks bud. I love you too.

@MilanManiac9: I do like KPB. But I perhaps see him differently to you. I see him as an attacking box-to-box. If Gerrard and Essien are two ends of the box-to-box spectrum when it comes to defence and attack..I'd place KPB closer to Gerrard's end. So your formation has 5 attacking players...and to me that's something you do in a desperate situation, not really as a normal starting formation.

About Kaka...I think he's injured. He's still not come back to full fitness. And to sell R80 and bring back Kaka doesn't really solve our problems. It's just that those who don't like R80 get rid of him...and get to see Kaka. IMO...we'll just be spinning wheels...coz as much as vnata says Kaka plays with his brain (that's true in that he's not Theo Walcott)...he's not really got as much vision as R80 does. His speed is 50% of his game...and a half fit Kaka is useless for us. Not to mention his wages would be inordinate.

I'd take him on loan for half a season, maybe as a rotation player...see how it works out...and if it doesn't send him back. But then that could cause ill-feeling. In any case he's CL tied I think. SO you're playing huge wages for someone you can't even use properly. His being 28 has nothing to do with it. If you're injury prone..you're injury prone no matter what your age. MvB retired when he was 29.


I'd be much happier reading further about the report that said we were preparing a 35 million bid for Stevie G in the winter. Now that's a player we could use. Attacking player who comes in from deep. Total ownage.

That's my worry with Pato.

Yeah..it has crossed my mind. But being an Ambro fan, you'd think it's not the end of the world.

I'd like to see if Pato is given time to heal properly instead of being pushed back into action ASAP as he was last year, what the status would be. I think in another 2 years we will be able to say more clearly.

Pippo is another example like Ambro... At one time I didn't think he was ever gonna come back - but then against the odds he came back and was hungry as ever.

35 mil is an outrageous sum. Paying that much for him would be completely bone-headed. His return could only be considered if its around 15 - which would never happen.

On the topic of him being injured, my point is this. He may be broken now, but he played the entire world cup injured. So much so that pretty much immediately after the tournament he's been shut down for half a year. However, if what we saw of him at the world cup was him playing injured, then after surgery, if he recovers to even the player that we saw in SA, then he's still in an elite class of attacking mids. He's not completely rubbish, and would offer a more attractive tactical possibility.

But for 35 mil we could do better, no doubt. We could get several quality players. For 35 mil we could have had Krasic and 20 mil to spend on the mid/def...

How can he be CL tied if he hasn't played a single match for Madrid yet? Stay sharp dude.



I agree, €35 million is way too much. For that sum, we could sign Pastore instead. However, if we could sign Ibrahimovic for €24 million, we can easily sign Kaka' for a somewhat similar sum. Galliani is a magician after all.

By the way, a few updates on the Kaka' situation:

• It looks like Galliani is in Los Angeles right now, probably discussing the terms with Galaxy for Dinho's arrival.
• Kaka's father was seen in via Turati this morning, Milan's headquarters. It was confirmed by Ariedo Braida as well.
• According to Luciano Moggi, Galliani has inserted some anti-Inter clause in Kaka's contract with Madrid, meaning they don't have the right to sell him to the nerazzurri.

Source: xoffenderpublications.com

If I remember correctly, if he's registered in their CL squad, that's enough to not allow him to play for another CL team. I might be wrong though.

Well watching the news for the last few days, i'll give my bit:


1)Ronaldinho is going to leave at the end of the season. Its obvious. Robinho was purchased ahead of time so ronaldinho's position could eventually be filled. Those who think otherwise are in denial.


2) Kaka's return to milan? While I would love for that to happen, there is no chance. Only way he will come here is on loan. While Kaka may want that to happen, I doubt florentino will. He will most likely sell him at the end of the season to chelsea if he doesn't perform in the second spell of the season.


3) We can't afford Kaka on our wage bill. Unless he wants to take a major pay cut, which I doubt he will do...its out of the question.


4) Our interests are elsewhere. Lets just say if Pato is continually injured this season, we could see him and balotelli swap shirts.



Our goal for the next 5 seasons is to integrate youth into the first team. We will be buying players to fill in the first team until these players are ready. For example, strasser will use this year as a development year and he will be a regular player next season. The same goes for Verdi/albertazzi and odu.

The year after we'll see merkel/novinic/ etc in the squad learning and then they will join the ranks a year later.


After about 5 seasons, this cycle will be continuous with the odd experienced player being brought in for balance. We will no longer need to spend ridicilous amounts of money on transfers like ibra and robinho anymore.

Thats what our plans are right now. Signing kaka for another 3 years and paying his massive wage would be a step backward.

He's not registered in Madrid's CL list, and even if he was, the first registration is valid for the group round. There's a re-registration in January/February for the knock-out round. So, in other words, he would be available for CL if we signed him in January.

Dinho: "I'm not leaving in January. If it depended on me, I'd stay at Milan forever. I have Berlusconi's trust. I want to stay here and regain the national team."

Link

Staying here forever? Um, I dunno, 4 million a year and 10 million a year is a considerable difference, and we all know he'll eventually lean on the second option.

People are pulling a lot of news out of their @sses Please put in a source, such news does not come out of thin air

As for Dinho, he's just turned 30, I don't believe he wants to go to a 3rd rate league just yet, no matter the money, he's still producing the goods in a top European league so why reduce himself to the US just yet? He'll leave this summer imo, for where that is I'm not sure, but Milan need to think about themselves, not doing about favoures to past players. That means going out and finding a top quality AM. As for Kaka, imo bringing him back for any amount would be a mistake.

If Ronaldinho is leaving in summer, and we don't sign Kaka', who would you think of, han? I'd be so happy if we could make a move on Pastore, but that seems unlikely at the moment. Paulo Henrique a.k.a Ganso would be a nice addition, though I'm not sure of his qualities. I can't think of any other great AM that would suit us.

Pastore won't be sold even for 50mill so don't dream bout it.

And how would Kaka that is injured for at least 50% of the season help us in that respect?

I'm not trying to be a smart @ss but asking a genuine question. You can say that we don't know that he'll be injured that much, but how could you be so sure that he wouldn't?

Ganso is an option, I'd look at Hernanes as well, Lazio is definatey not the end of the road for him, he'll cost more then he would have last summer but that's the management's faul for not bringing him in when they had the chance, same thing with VDV especially if Tottenham don't make the CL again next season.

Kaka is a temporary fix and not a good one at that since he's not reliable. If it came to an either or situation I'd choose Dnho, simply because he's a far more reliable solution for another season then Kaka.

I have nothing against Kaka, and I even defend him when it comes to the entire who's at fault drama behind his transfer, but imo, he has too many physical issues to look past, even if I put on my Kaka rose tinted glasses I still can't ignore such glaring points. If the management somehow find a way to bring him back with a deal along the lines of the Sheva one ie loan while not paying his full wages I'd be more then tempted, but there's no chance in hell that is going to happen

@ Blue, please not that this forum needs sources to underline news and rumours such as the one you said.

For the other part of your post...you sound like you run the Milan youth departement by your own. How so sure?


As for a Milan option after Ronaldinho:

1) Robinho sure isn't a replacement. He isn't a normal AM and he's not the player who makes that many assists either.

2) I simply fail to see what people see in Pastore, he's good but nothing special. Why is he that much better then Hernanes for instance?

He's good looking .

But seriously,he is good.He is very young(21yrs) compared to hernanes.But I think everyone's thinking we can snatch him for 30mil,but zamperini won't let it happen obviously.

han, mine was actually an honest question. I wanted to hear your opinion about who you'd think could be a fine AM for us, not a justification for my desire to sign Kaka'.



Have you even seen any of Palermo's games this season? He's been outstanding. The guy reminds me so much of Kaka', not only by his looks, but his way of playing, his runs, they are so very similar. There was a report on Sportmediaset a few days ago that Mourinho wants him in Madrid, but also Barcelona and Inter have put an eye on him. Too bad, he'd be the ideal AM for our game.

Again, Milan and Palermo is an unlike match.

I know.

Kaka's father and agent was spotted at Milan's headquarters on Thursday.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_6434733,00.html



/wondering

I wonder what Kaka's effing agent has to say about this

And once again, as much as I didn't want him to leave in the first place I hope he stays away from Milan.

@ Fillipo

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVJm7DoGXoc

remind you of anyone?

I know, and I asked you another genuine question in answer to that, plus I gave you my short list of who I think could be doable for us next season.



The Kaka fan in me would jump at the chance, but I'm a Milan fan and I don't really see how this would really benefit the club. His injury issues to me are not something that can be brushed aside.

Yet he still played more games than Pato last season, maybe we should sell him?

I don't think his physical conditions are as worrying as you make them to be, han. He'll probably settle for good after this last surgery.

Id hate to say no to Kaka, but I'm not so sure about this one.

That's a different thing altogether, Pato is still growing such muscular injuries are to be expected. Kaka on the other hand is a 28 year old who has been getting kicked, pushed, pulled, tripped since he came to Italy. A lot of his injuries started due to this, his problems are now chronic not related to growth like Pato.

Imo there is a reason aside from money as to why Milan suddenly decided to sell him after all the denail in the years before that. He went to Madrid and he keeps getting knee and groin injuries, stupidly played the world cup injured and now he's made it even worse then it already was. And I hate to side with Real fans but I would be p!ssed off too if he did that while playing for my team. Same goes with Sheva when he got injured against Parma in his last game for us, played the WC injured and never recovered from it

Wow you just can't stop can you?

Leave Pato alone. jesus christ!!

Next is Leave Pato Alone video on youtube.

BTW if you want, I can go to Birmingham and torture Kurt. Jack Baur loves Pato