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Portman
QUOTE (dst @ May 2 2007, 01:00 PM)
Well he's right IMO. Chelsea really went wanted to score a goal. Liverpool would never have scored if it wasn't for that occasion cause they were not trying to do so. Aager of all guys...  rolleyes.gif
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? Did you watch the match ? huh.gif

Liverpool deserved to win by 2 or 3 goals on the 90 minutes. Created more and better chances... Chelsea was just Drogba.
Oh, and it's Agger - a young and top-level defender.

Mourinho is a cnut. He doesn't like to lose... ok, but some post-match interviews are just pathetic. Top coach though.
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ May 2 2007, 03:06 PM)
Liverpool deserved to win by 2 or 3 goals on the 90 minutes. Created more and better chances... Chelsea was just Drogba.
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Of course they did. But they were not trying...

They only way they could have score was the way they did. They wouldn't have gone through Chelsea's defence any other way...

As time passed Chelsea tried for the goal more and more (they didn't have any good chances but they were trying) and so Liverfool managed to hit them on the break or when they were not organized.

QUOTE (Porty @ May 2 2007, 03:06 PM)
Oh, and it's Agger - a young and top-level defender.
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top-level... yeah!! rolleyes.gif

Come on man... you're too quick to praise! A week ago he was humiliated... Kaladze would have done better!! rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ May 2 2007, 01:16 PM)
Come on man... you're too quick to praise! A week ago he was humiliated... Kaladze would have done better!!  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
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No. I'm not. He's still young and will be a world class defender in few years. Mark my words. It's quality there.

Humiliated vs. Drogba, so what? Drogba is one of the top 5 fowards in the world.

Nesta was owned by Ibrahimovic this season, so what? rolleyes.gif
dst
Of course you are... it's only his first season!! If he stays in Liverpool he'll probably become great but that is not certain and has nothing to do with the present...

There's a little difference here... Nesta has proved his worth more than once... rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ May 2 2007, 01:16 PM)
Of course they did. But they were not trying...

They only way they could have score was the way they did. They wouldn't have gone through Chelsea's defence any other way...
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Ahem....Kuyts regular goal in the ET?
han2503
If we go out tonight then Man U MUST win this god damn cup. If not Liverfool will have as many cups as us and that's not good.

These f@cking c@nts get more lucky by the year.

It's all really Chelsea's fault they should have won the tie in the first leg. Enough said.
dst
QUOTE (LaPalma @ May 2 2007, 05:36 PM)
Ahem....Kuyts regular goal in the ET?
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I said they couldn't have scored the first in normal play... that was in Extra Time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they didn't deserve to win. I just agree with Mourinho on that Loverfool played a passive game... while Chelski wanted but couldn't.
fresh_prince7
Whats the thought on the kuyt disallowed goal?

I think it was a wonderful decision, just offside.

My mate who supports the unnamed ones rekons it was onside.
han2503
QUOTE (fresh_prince7 @ May 2 2007, 03:04 PM)
Whats the thought on the kuyt disallowed goal?

I think it was a wonderful decision, just offside.

My mate who supports the unnamed ones rekons it was onside.
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Kuyt was offside by a hair.
Rossoneri7
I have a question; if the game ends as a draw and the teams go into extra time (like yesterday), does the awa gola rule count ?!
dst
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 2 2007, 06:05 PM)
Kuyt was offside by a hair.
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I think so too.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 2 2007, 06:10 PM)
I have a question; if the game ends as a draw and the teams go into extra time (like yesterday), does the awa gola rule count ?!
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You mean if the game ends 3-2... yes the away goals rule still counts in extra time.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ May 2 2007, 06:12 PM)
You mean if the game ends 3-2... yes the away goals rule still counts in extra time.
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But that is what I thought, then the commentator said that it doesn't exist after extra time and that Chelsea would be in big trouble if they dont score in regular time ..
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 2 2007, 06:16 PM)
But that is what I thought, then the commentator said that it doesn't exist after extra time and that Chelsea would be in big trouble if they dont score in regular time ..
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Well... he's... not good at what he does! rolleyes.gif

I'm almost certain it counts in extra time... which means if Chelsea had scored in extra time last night Liverpoll would need another 2 (+1 they'd already scored) in order to go through on 3-2 aggregate (1-0, 1-3). 2-1 wouldn't be enough.
fresh_prince7
Well thats the situation we faced against celtic.

Its rather tough I think for the rule to still exist after normal time.

Surely its not going to be 3-2 anyway.
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ May 2 2007, 04:21 PM)
Well... he's... not good at what he does!  rolleyes.gif

I'm almost certain it counts in extra time... which means if Chelsea had scored in extra time last night Liverpoll would need another 2 (+1 they'd already scored) in order to go through on 3-2 aggregate (1-0, 1-3). 2-1 wouldn't be enough.
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You're right about it. Just remember the UEFA Cup Semi Final between Sporting Lissabon and AZ Alkmaar in 2005, The away goald still count.
misha
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 2 2007, 05:39 PM)
These f@cking c@nts get more lucky by the year.
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Yes, and they rarely lose in the final. From 6 finals they have won 5 cups (lost only to Juve in the infamous game in 85). I just hope not to see them celebrate this year.
Portman
QUOTE (mishale @ May 2 2007, 04:49 PM)
Yes, and they rarely lose in the final. From 6 finals they have won 5 cups (lost only to Juve in the infamous game in 85). I just hope not to see them celebrate this year.
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I was thinking about that yesterday. I think the record of "missed-finals" is still from Benfica. From 7 finals, they just won 2. rolleyes.gif
misha
QUOTE (Porty @ May 2 2007, 08:25 PM)
I was thinking about that yesterday. I think the record of "missed-finals" is still from Benfica. From 7 finals, they just won 2. rolleyes.gif
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Two of these loses were to Milan smile.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Porty @ May 2 2007, 05:25 PM)
I was thinking about that yesterday. I think the record of "missed-finals" is still from Benfica. From 7 finals, they just won 2. rolleyes.gif
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Let's hope we don't come even closer to that come the 23rd of May sad.gif

To tell you the truth I would have preferred Chelsea to Liverpool. The scousers are lucky b@stards
Portman
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Tre italiane ai gruppi con il Milan campione

Se il Milan vince la Champions diventa testa di serie n.1 del torneo, cioè va subito alla fase a gruppi assieme a Inter (campione d'Italia) e Roma (2ª). Nei preliminari resta soltanto la 4ª (oggi sarebbe la Lazio). Non solo: che sia subito qualificato, o che arrivi dai preliminari, il Milan sarebbe sempre testa di serie (per il suo ranking) come l’Inter. Invece la Roma andrebbe in 2ª fascia e la Lazio in 3ª (ma la sua posizione dipende dalle altre qualificate).

IL FUTURO La Champions League che Platini ha in mente non prevede più il "taglio" di un club per i grandi Paesi. Il progetto pre-elettorale è sceso a patti con la realtà: dal 2009 la Champions sarà diversa, ma non troppo. Confermata la formula di oggi: prima fase con 8 gruppi da 4 club, poi eliminazione diretta fino alla finale. Diverso sarà invece l’accesso al torneo. Per i "grandi" (al momento hanno 4 club Spagna, Inghilterra e Italia) non più 2 qualificate ai gruppi e 2 ai preliminari: ai gruppi andranno direttamente 3 squadre. Sarà più difficile la vita della squadra arrivata quarta in campionato, costretta ad affrontare preliminari più complicati — un paio — e forse contro squadre di Paesi forti. Per rendere più agevole la strada dei campioni di Paesi minori.


Just like some people already confirmed in this forum: if we win the CL, we don't need to go to CL 3rd pre. We'd go directly to group stage. king.gif
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ May 3 2007, 05:21 PM)
Just like some people already confirmed in this forum: if we win the CL, we don't need to go to CL 3rd pre. We'd go directly to group stage. king.gif
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Earn your vacation prolongation ragazzi!! tongue.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ May 3 2007, 03:44 PM)
Earn your vacation prolongation ragazzi!!  tongue.gif
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Yup. More time to relax and for a decent transfer-market.

Oh my god. I'm just... I'm still shocked. Athens 2007 cry.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Porty @ May 3 2007, 05:21 PM)
Just like some people already confirmed in this forum: if we win the CL, we don't need to go to CL 3rd pre. We'd go directly to group stage. king.gif
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That's another incentive to win king.gif
jefri91
The worst thing about football is the waiting...
han2503
QUOTE (jefri91 @ May 6 2007, 09:06 PM)
The worst thing about football is the waiting...
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Yep, why the hell do they make us wait 3 weeks for the final??
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 7 2007, 06:32 PM)
Yep, why the hell do they make us wait 3 weeks for the final??
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To rub it in the best team in England's faces? king.gif
misha
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Champions League - Will the true champions please stand up?

Champions League - There was a collective national patting on the back in England when three of its teams secured Champions League semi-final slots. Now Milan are champions: eurosport.yahoo.com's Jonathan Symcox wonders whether European competition is indeed an accurate assessment of domestic prowess.

Milan are champions of Europe while their city rivals Internazionale have laid claim to the Scudetto in emphatic fashion. Just who, exactly, is on top?

The issue is more wide ranging than that, of course. There are two competitions that are composed of teams from different areas of the previous season's league tables. The Champions League of course is contested by the cream - and that is where we shall start.

Milan were confident of winning the tournament as England celebrated their triumvirate of superclubs, a response dismissed by some via law of averages and others who saw in Manchester United's demolition of Roma an unstoppable force. Perhaps United did not do enough to stop Kaka, believing themselves capable of sweeping aside the Rossoneri: well, we all know what happened over the two legs.

United proved to be the best team in England over the season - six points ahead of Chelsea by the end - and were undone by a Milan team that will finish third or fourth in Serie A. When you add on the eight points that they were docked at the beginning of the campaign, they would simply have been guaranteed third position, still a massive 25 points behind champions Inter: not all that strong domestically for the top dog in Europe.

Does that mean that Italy's league is once again the best? Perhaps not. Inter came a cropper - albeit on the away goals rule - at the hands of Valencia, the fourth team in the Liga title race and completely out of it until a recent surge in form, if only four point off the summit with three matches left to play.

Valencia were just knocked out by Chelsea, the winners of the previous two Premiership titles and second this time around. Now we might be onto something here: the three English teams in the last four represented the top three in the domestic championship, surely a measure of strength?

Well... Liverpool had 21 points less than the Red Devils after the conclusion of the bread and butter, as it is so often called by apparently sincere managers while others such as Rafa Benitez openly rest key men ahead of midweek action. Again, hardly the form of the best club on the continent; plus they famously won it in 2005 alongside a fifth-placed effort, remarkably below rivals Everton in the Prem.

Benitez obviously values the Champions League above the Premiership, while perhaps Chelsea leaned that way this year as they sought continental recognition; Man Utd were unfortunate but desperate for domestic success first and foremost. Rafa's policy paid off for him.

The Spanish dailies claimed their own niche of success with three teams in the UEFA Cup semis and both finalists. However in the big one holders Barcelona were eliminated by finalists Liverpool earlier on and Real Madrid, who are joint-top with the Blaugrana in that ongoing title race, lost out spectacularly to Bayern Munich, only fourth in the Bundesliga.

Sevilla, who retained the UEFA Cup on penalty kicks, are right there in the reckoning for the title and bring a measure of authenticity to the argument, but look at the others: Espanyol, who were so close in Glasgow, are 12th in the table and Osasuna, slayers of Werder Bremen in the semi-finals, 14th. Throw in the mantle of 'The title no one wants to win', true until very recently as the top three threw away points willy-nilly, and it doesn't look too clever on the Iberian peninsula.

Milan did not face a Spanish side on their path to Athens and merely disposed of Scottish champions Celtic - no disrespect to the SPL, but it is not rated in European terms - and a relatively poor Bayern side. The redemption came against Manchester United.

What we can conclude ultimately is that the European success stories are too often lived by clubs on the fringes of their domestic titles at best: a classic cup format, in fact. The uncertainty in the final stages is exciting and not unlike the old knockout format in some respects, yet then all the protagonists were champions and often headed for another title. The distribution of achievement is good in a competition such as the FA Cup; but in Europe, we want to witness the champions and runners-up of each country going head to head, not first versus fourth and 12th versus seventh.

This is unlikely to change a great deal even under the UEFA stewardship of Michel Platini, who has advocated a reduction in those qualifying for the CL from the top leagues.

We can console ourselves with the acceptance that under the current conditions, we are unlikely to move to a European-wide league, which would surely kill off interest among many fans who simply do not have the funds or inclination to watch their team play in Italy one week, France the next. But the 'Champions League'? The name is erroneous: not only were there no champions in Athens, but no one even close to being so.

In my opinion Inter are the true champions, as are Manchester United; and in Spain at least the title is now all-important, especially for the old rivals from Catalonia and Castilla.

Jonathan Symcox, Eurosport
Rossoneri7
Bullsh1t mad.gif mad.gif

Milan are the protagonists !!! Milan always fights for two titles. Fot the past 3 years Milan has been constantly finishing top 3 and at the top 4 in the CL !!!

What is this muther f@cker talking about ?? If he is trying to make our CL triumph in Athena seem weak, well we have 7 triumphs to date and no english team can compete. cool.gif
kurtsimonw
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The name is erroneous: not only were there no champions in Athens, but no one even close to being so.

In my opinion Inter are the true champions, as are Manchester United.


How can anyone disrespect the European Champions like that?

Inter got given a head start. Manchester United ALWAYS get given a head start with their special rules. We ripped Manchester United apart over 2 legs, but they're better than us?

Did anybody do anything like this when Liverpool won the CL but failed to finish in a top 4 position? No. I'm getting real sick of this 'English teams are the best' attitude. mad.gif
dst
Thank you, Jonathan Dim-Cocks!!

Although it IS true that if we had given everything to fight for the Scudetto we wouldn't be in the Final with this team...

IMO United, Chelsea and even Sevilla have had a better season than us.

What's irritating is what Kurt said; noone talked about these things two years ago... rolleyes.gif
misha
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 3 2007, 05:03 PM)
Although it IS true that if we had given everything to fight for the Scudetto we wouldn't be in the Final with this team...
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Yeah on that point he's right. Liverpool and Milan had the chance to rest players in the league games while Chelsea and United were battling for the EPL title too. It's a big advantage. The season before we were fighting for the two titles and players were tired in the decisive games.

To win it all next season we need a better balance between the young and old players which we don't have right now.The team is too old (No I don't want us to be like Arsenal. Just to balancing thing a little) . Some players don't have the motivation to fight against small team but ,of course, they play great against big teams. I really want us to win the Serie A. We only won it 2 time in the last 11 years. Maybe a few young players who are hungry and motivated won't be such a bad idea.
redbabies
I've read this article some days ago, and tried to send an email or comment for this article but coulnd find anything related to that f@cking jealos stupid writter.

Just to remember: Milan is the UEFA 2007 Champions League Winner. THATS IT! devil.gif

And, oh yes, when I saw 7 cups in San Siro the celebration day seemed to me like 7 wonders of the world.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (redbabies @ Jun 6 2007, 06:38 PM)
I've read this article some days ago, and tried to send an email or comment for this article but coulnd find anything related to that f@cking jealos stupid writter.

Just to remember: Milan is the UEFA 2007 Champions League Winner. THATS IT!  devil.gif

And, oh yes, when I saw 7 cups in San Siro the celebration day seemed to me like 7 wonders of the world.
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arivanjj
MILAN REIGN IN EUROPE - @acmilan.com

MILAN - Just one click and you will see which side has been ranked top in Europe over the last five years. It has been an amazing time for Milan who have confirmed their place as number one in the continent. In the top ten, there are four English sides, three Spanish, two Italian and one French team.

UEFA draw up the club coefficient at the end of each season and is determined by the results of a club in European club competition in the last five seasons, and the league coefficient. The club coefficient is 33% of the league coefficient plus the number of points earned by the club in the five seasons. This ranking is used by UEFA to determine which pot the club belongs to in the preliminary and first rounds of the Champions League, and the preliminary, first and second rounds of the UEFA Cup.

2007-2008 Seeding
Rossoneri7
Milan have been #1 for sometime now and will remain #1 devilsmiley.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 16 2007, 11:41 PM)
Milan have been #1 for sometime now and will remain #1 devilsmiley.gif
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Since 2005. From 2000 to 2005 it was R.Madrid.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 17 2007, 01:44 AM)
Since 2005. From 2000 to 2005 it was R.Madrid.
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Since 05 ... Really, didn't know that .. I always thought since 03

p.s. records aside, we have been the best European team over the past 5 years .. 2 CL and 1 Scudetto, 1 WCW and 1 Euro super cup, 1 Coppa Italia and 1 Italian super cup. This is not counting how many times we were runners up over the past 5 years king.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 17 2007, 12:22 AM)
Since 05 ... Really, didn't know that ..  I always thought since 03

p.s. records aside, we have been the best European team over the past 5 years .. 2 CL  and 1 Scudetto, 1 WCW and 1 Euro super cup, 1 Coppa Italia and 1 Italian super cup. This is not counting how many times we were runners up over the past 5 years king.gif
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I'd say that we're the best team of the last 20 years....5 CL s, 7 Scudetti, Some european supercups...and even the Coppa Italia wink.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jun 17 2007, 03:10 AM)
I'd say that we're the best team of the last 20 years....5 CL s, 7 Scudetti, Some european supercups...and even the Coppa Italia wink.gif
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Of course devilsmiley.gif we are the best team in the past 20 years. Today, Milan is the most decorated club on the international stage king.gif
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 17 2007, 01:44 AM)
Since 2005. From 2000 to 2005 it was R.Madrid.
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Yeah your team thrived when noone was there to compete with them! rolleyes.gif Only Giuve and Bayern were there and still they were mediocre teams!

Well done! wink.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 17 2007, 01:48 PM)
Yeah your team thrived when noone was there to compete with them! rolleyes.gif Only Giuve and Bayern were there and still they were mediocre teams!

I think it was a bit difficult to compete with likes of R.Carlos, Zidane, Raúl, Morientes, McManaman, Makelele... all on their prime. rolleyes.gif
dst
It was undoubtedly a great team. But it was the only great team at that time!
Portman
Season over. We're the European Champions. /close thread

New one - CL 2007/08 talk: http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5089

Some mod please put sticky the other one.
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