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acid911
Of course, another question to be asked it whether this victory was too easy?! huh.gif unsure.gif How much space and time on the ball did Arsenal allow us. Plus, they severely lacked creativity in the middle of the pitch, no Fabregas, no Nasri. I do wonder how it would have been against another, more powerful team.

Don't get me wrong, immense win, and perfect implementation from the coach and the players. But how much of it is due to the fact that we were allowed to dictate our terms and got away with it? Thats the $16,000 question.
Bluesummers
Its funny how quick you guys change sides. It was only a couple of days ago that everyone was saying lets kick him out and get capello and now after a result like this we jump back on his d!ck.



Like i've always said, Allegri has not done anything this year to warrant a sacking. We've done well in champions league and the league. We would be first but Juventus is also having a great year and it makes it more difficult because we are in 2 competitions while they are only in 1.

I guarantee that next year when Juventus is in the champions league they will not dominate like they are doing now.


Allegri's style is not pretty but its effective. He's proven it can get results and at the end of the day thats what we are after, so we should support him and let him do his job.

from reading some of the posts here from match days, I wonder sometimes if its our manager that is clueless...or is it that serie A is just that competitive of league that even the bottom table teams will give you a difficult time.
drucurl
Hey guys just dropped in to say CONGRATS and GREAT WIN!!!!
While the 4-0 is impressive I must say that the “0” impresses me more than the “4”. Despite my opinion of him, I give Allegri 95/100 for his ownperformance. Make no mistake, our stifling of Arsenal was LARGELY down to HIS tactics. Allegri has been uncharacteristically impressive for these last two games (he must not be feeling too well laugh.gif ).

The way he handled Arsenal’s wide play still has me smiling a day later. Robinho thrives in these kinds of fast paced games and Al took full note and for once didin’t squander his talent resources. You have no idea how happy I was about the decision. Convetional wisdom and fan optimism might have tempted most to put El Shaarawry but he hasn’t the pace and guile Mr Robson has and, if you’ll forgive the horrendous stereotype, English team defenders have no clue how to deal with Brazilian attackers. El will definitely get his chance but now he has the benefit of looking at past successful examples.

Now for the things that need to be said. This is the same squad that most claim isn't good enough to compete and that our midfield is too uncreative. Granted we still need a lot of work in that department but this result against a (arguably) top side just goes to show how much Al has underperformed with Milan of late (pre injury era mostly). The Milan that we CAN be and the Milan that we usually are are worlds apart due to Allegri, notwithstanding Arsenal's tactical dearth.


Forza Milan!
William405
...and he still manages to diss Allegri in the end biggrin.gif

Good post though,agreed with almost everything you said wink.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 16 2012, 03:29 PM) *
...and he still manages to diss Allegri in the end biggrin.gif

Good post though,agreed with almost everything you said wink.gif

He did underpreform earlier on though, but only partly his fault.

Boateng at AM makes it work (pace, movement and so on), Seedorf at AM not (too slow and so on).

We really need to sign a player who can do a similar job to Boateng. Previous month's Lazio target Honda could.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 02:44 PM) *
He did underpreform earlier on though, but only partly his fault.

Boateng at AM makes it work (pace, movement and so on), Seedorf at AM not (too slow and so on).

We really need to sign a player who can do a similar job to Boateng. Previous month's Lazio target Honda could.

Don't think you can really compare the two...

We'll see what happens, but with Monto wrapped up for next summer, I can see the management fully concentrating on bringing Tevez dry.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2012, 03:47 PM) *
Don't think you can really compare the two...

We'll see what happens, but with Monto wrapped up for next summer, I can see the management fully concentrating on bringing Tevez dry.gif

That would be a shame, because then we still will be reliable on Boateng, and that's a bad thing.

I fear you're right though. It's likely we'll skip on signing an AM.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 02:51 PM) *
That would be a shame, because then we still will be reliable on Boateng, and that's a bad thing.

I fear you're right though. It's likely we'll skip on signing an AM.

I think El Sharaawy can easily slip into that position, plus Montolivo plays there for the Azzurri as well, so it wouldn't be all bad
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2012, 03:52 PM) *
I think El Sharaawy can easily slip into that position, plus Montolivo plays there for the Azzurri as well, so it wouldn't be all bad

Montolivo doesn't offer what I ask from our AM like Boateng and Honda do. I prefer Montolivo as LCM anyway.

El Shaarawy, I first need to see him given the chance to play as our AM to judge, but he could.
il_diavolo_mtl
Monto would be playing in the midfield 3, he hasn't really been that good for italy in the trequartista role.


Edit: 3000th post!!
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 16 2012, 05:25 PM) *
Edit: 3000th post!!

X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 03:00 PM) *
Montolivo doesn't offer what I ask from our AM like Boateng and Honda do.


You talk as if Honda plays for us and has already proved himself. The guy is Lazio material at best.
milanbuf88
QUOTE (vnata001 @ Feb 16 2012, 03:17 AM) *
Antonini and Max earned points in my book today.

I will gladly give it up for Max. The team was so prepared to face Arsenal, and we forced them to play at our pace. He sent them out with the perfect mentality, got his lineup right from the beginning (I'd have preferred Mesbah, but Antonini coped..so hey) and the Seedorf injury apparently didn't affect our play at all — I thought it would to be honest.

I was amazed at the ease with which we escaped our half and launched counter attacks.

Anyone wonder if we were in fact better off without seedorf? With Ibra taking on a creative role from the front line, Emanuelson, Nocerino going box to box, boateng prowling and robinho moving accordingly..we looked damn effective, and frankly Urby provided some pace and trickery that I don't think Seedorf has in him at the stage. I wonder..


I think Urby deserves some recognition. He was widely criticized as below Milan level but he has really settled in. He looks much more cinfident on the ball, has good pace, makes solid runs, and has made some good passes. Perhaps he isn't starter quality yet but he is certainly a good substitute. He just needs to work on his shooting haha.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 16 2012, 05:43 PM) *
You talk as if Honda plays for us and has already proved himself. The guy is Lazio material at best.

LOL, he's better than most of our midfielders, if not all. Two at most aren't worse than him, one of them being Van Bommel who most likely will join PSV in Summer.
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 04:45 PM) *
LOL, he's better than most of our midfielders, if not all. Two at most aren't worse than him, one of them being Van Bommel who most likely will join PSV in Summer.


I'd take a MvB-Noce-Aqua-Boa midfield over replacing any one of them with Honda any day.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 16 2012, 05:49 PM) *
I'd take a MvB-Noce-Aqua-Boa midfield over replacing any one of them with Honda any day.

I would prefer both Honda and Emanuelson over Nocerino.

And we need proper depth, which was my main and original point. We're screwed when Prince is out.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 04:45 PM) *
LOL, he's better than most of our midfielders. Two at most aren't worse than him.

Yeah, but I don't think he's Milan quality. Yes, that infamous syntax again. king.gif
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Match related stuff:

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 16 2012, 12:01 AM) *
Sorry for the post above. biggrin.gif I just lost it for a moment. but really, had this result been achieved under Carlo he'd be praised to no end and until the end of time. it's only right for us Max supporters to act like this when such an opportunity arises!

Do you remember the Ancelotti years correctly? Everyone would have praised Carlo? Why are you so unfair? I don't think any of the so-called Allegri haters here missed to praise Allegri. X-O did so, vnata, han and me too. As well as a couple of other guys. So what's your point? I really think this was unnecessary.

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Its funny how quick you guys change sides. It was only a couple of days ago that everyone was saying lets kick him out and get capello and now after a result like this we jump back on his d!ck.

What are you talking about Blue? It's called fairness, you know? Yes, I'd take Capello in a heartbeat if he's even considered, but did Allegri deserve praise for yesterdays match? He sure did.

QUOTE
I guarantee that next year when Juventus is in the champions league they will not dominate like they are doing now.

Seriously? Again? How many times do you have to learn that unfounded prediction in football mostly...well...stay unfounded.
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 04:55 PM) *
I would prefer both Honda and Emanuelson over Nocerino.


I wouldn't. smile.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2012, 05:57 PM) *
Yeah, but I don't think he's Milan quality. Yes, that infamous syntax again. king.gif

Really, I don't understand how he isn't, but let me ask this: who is from the midfielders Milan could sign?

No wet dreams signings, but that are possible, even when not that plausible, so I'm being gentle here.
acid911
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 16 2012, 08:25 PM) *
Edit: 3000th post!!

Nice job, Padawan. king.gif Here's too another 3,000 posts soon!
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 05:02 PM) *
Really, I don't understand how he isn't, but let me ask this: who is from the midfielders Milan could sign?

No wet dreams signings, but that are possible, even when not that plausible, so I'm being gentle here.

Who is? I really don't know who's on Milan's radar right now. A whole bunch of DM's and workers mentioned, little attacking midfielders. But I think Eriksen is by far the better choice.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2012, 06:09 PM) *
Who is? I really don't know who's on Milan's radar right now. A whole bunch of DM's and workers mentioned, little attacking midfielders. But I think Eriksen is by far the better choice.

Honda is a much better player than Eriksen.

Who will be eventually is a question mark to me.
William405
In what world should emmanuelson be preferred over Nocerino?
X-Offender
QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 16 2012, 05:23 PM) *
In what world should emmanuelson be preferred over Nocerino?


CHU-Dimension. tongue.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 16 2012, 06:23 PM) *
In what world should emmanuelson be preferred over Nocerino?

Offering much more defensive security, that's why, and that will bring the best out of Aquilani, and thus the team.

And Emanuelson has been pretty solid for us, hasn't he?
X-Offender
Nocerino is all about defensive security. He's an allrounder. He defends, attacks, presses the opponent, scores very often, plus he's Italian. No way would I choose Emanuelson over him.
han2503
chu clearly has a problem with Antonio 2.0

He always leaves him out of any line-up. And I don't know why you have it in your head that he's not a defensive minded player chu
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2012, 08:07 PM) *
chu clearly has a problem with Antonio 2.0

He always leaves him out of any line-up. And I don't know why you have it in your head that he's not a defensive minded player chu

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Nocerino a defensive minded player? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

He makes runs forward constantly. Not necessary a bad thing obviously, but it does make him offensive minded.

At first I thought Nocerino was defensive minded too, but later when I saw Emanuelson in midfield I noticed a huge difference in defending. Emanuelson defends way more and much better. And because of that, Aquilani can be more decisive, instead of being the main one helping Van Bommel. Emanuelson and Van Bommel, will keep the Aquilani assist machine (he started well in assists but later he was playing deeper and deeper because of Nocerino attacking mind).
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 07:12 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Nocerino a defensive minded player? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

He makes runs forward constantly. Not necessary a bad thing obviously, but it does make him offensive minded.

At first I thought Nocerino was defensive minded too, but later when I saw Emanuelson in midfield I noticed a huge difference in defending. Emanuelson defends way more and much better. And because of that, Aquilani can be more decisive, instead of being the main one helping Van Bommel. Emanuelson and Van Bommel, will keep the Aquilani assist machine (he started well in assists but later he was playing deeper and deeper because of Nocerino attacking mind).

Oh my!!

You're actually laughing and than follow it up by saying Nocerino is not a defensive player and that Urby is better.

Read x-off's post in regards to what I think about Nocerino, as I have the same thoughts regarding him. You're the only person I know that thinks this of Nocerino

Just because Allegri asks him to make late runs into the box, doesnot mean that he's an attacking player
Jack Bauer
He's box to box midfielder, so it's duty to do both. He always made those runs, it's part of his game. He told in an interview that Zdeněk Zeman taught him that at Avellino.

15 Best Box-to-Box Midfielders in the World Right Now Nice to see that he's appreciated.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 16 2012, 08:47 PM) *
He's box to box midfielder, so it's duty to do both. He always made those runs, it's part of his game. He told in an interview that Zdeněk Zeman taught him that at Avellino.

15 Best Box-to-Box Midfielders in the World Right Now Nice to see that he's appreciated.

He's still a more defensively inclined player. like Boateng is box-to-box but more on the attacking side of the spectrum.

Nocerino's main goal is still to break up plays in midfield so that VB can sweep up behind him. He makes smart runs into the box when the opportunity arises. But he's just not an attacking player. And saying that Urby is better defensively is a sin imo
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2012, 09:56 PM) *
And saying that Urby is better defensively is a sin imo

I'm shocked. Idunno why, because it's not like I expected anything else, but still... shocked how you (guys) don't see it. Emanuelson has done so much defense work, that it's an insult to Urby, or you are not paying attention to him.

Anywho. I'd say Nocerino is an attacking minded box-to-box midfielder, and Boateng an attacking midfielder.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 09:04 PM) *
I'm shocked. Idunno why, because it's not like I expected anything else, but still... shocked how you (guys) don't see it. Emanuelson has done so much defense work, that it's an insult to Urby, or you are not paying attention to him.

Anywho. I'd say Nocerino is an attacking minded box-to-box midfielder, and Boateng an attacking midfielder.

Boateng is in no way, shape or form an attacking midfielder. Certainly not in the traditional sense of the word.

And how can Nocerino be an attacking minded box-to-box?? I will never understand your reasoning and what you see in him that makes you think as such.

And Urby is better defensively? Sure he covers spaces well and does a lot of running, but when have you seen Urby recovering a ball or winning it off of someone? Those are the 2 main factors which define a defensive minded player. Something that Nocerino accomplishes in every game btw
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2012, 11:56 PM) *
He's still a more defensively inclined player.

That's what was people expected when he came but in reality he's playing like a classical 50-50 guy. I don't see the point of the pointless attack-defence argument, he's both.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2012, 10:08 PM) *
but when have you seen Urby recovering a ball or winning it off of someone? Those are the 2 main factors which define a defensive minded player. Something that Nocerino accomplishes in every game btw

All the time !!

Noerino rarely... at least way less often
QUOTE
Boateng is in no way, shape or form an attacking midfielder. Certainly not in the traditional sense of the word.

So what not in the traditional sense of the word? That's whatever talk to me.

But eh.... doesn't Prince play at AM for us? And shines in it? How's that not an AM?
X-Offender
CHU must always swim against the tide for some reason.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 07:12 PM) *
At first I thought Nocerino was defensive minded too, but later when I saw Emanuelson in midfield I noticed a huge difference in defending. Emanuelson defends way more and much better. And because of that, Aquilani can be more decisive, instead of being the main one helping Van Bommel. Emanuelson and Van Bommel, will keep the Aquilani assist machine (he started well in assists but later he was playing deeper and deeper because of Nocerino attacking mind).

Wait...how did you prove your point again?
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2012, 10:18 PM) *
Wait...how did you prove your point again?

Why the **** are you talking about prove?

You are by far the most annoying member here. Everytime when having a discussion you suddenly shows up with those annoying replies that shows zero respect to me each time.

There actually are stats that ''proves'' my point, but I hoped our own eyes see it better than silly stats. I guess not.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 16 2012, 09:16 PM) *
CHU must always swim against the tide for some reason.

Yep, apparently Chu is tuning in to different Milan games from us....

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 09:24 PM) *
Why the **** are you talking about prove?

You are by far the most annoying member here. Everytime when having a discussion you suddenly shows up with those annoying replies that shows zero respect to me each time.

There actually are stats that ''proves'' my point, but I hoped our own eyes see it better than silly stats. I guess not.

I think you're the one showing a lack of respect, your reply was simply unnecassary.

Please show us these stats that you speak of though.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 09:12 PM) *
But eh.... doesn't Prince play at AM for us? And shines in it? How's that not an AM?

He's good, sometimes great; yet he isn't the regular or classic AM. He's a great fill-up for the position, yet his movement and his passing overall isn't what an AM should be.

I don't get why you disregard Nocerino's defensive work. Ball interception aren't all; he makes tactical fouls, he covers enough space; the bigger problem is that he isn't ordered to do the classic DM stuff.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2012, 10:28 PM) *
I think you're the one showing a lack of respect, your reply was simply unnecassary.

Please show us these stats that you speak of though.

I know, but I have no respect for him to offer..

I've seen them on the Red & Black Forums. A while back... if I can find them I will post them, I guess... but I may not, since I don't like it at here and may stop posting. Fillipo annoys me too much time after time, it makes me act mean.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 09:24 PM) *
Why the **** are you talking about prove?

You are by far the most annoying member here. Everytime when having a discussion you suddenly shows up with those annoying replies that shows zero respect to me each time.

There actually are stats that ''proves'' my point, but I hoped our own eyes see it better than silly stats. I guess not.

How should I respond to this post?

Why am I talking about proving a thesis? Isn't it self-explanatory. What you think we see Milan matches through your eyes? Sorry, if you wanna convince me Nocerino isn't defensively good, and Emanuelson is - then you gotta give me something to hold on.

But fine, if you don't wanna me shows up again in discussion, I'll certainly survive it.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 16 2012, 09:37 PM) *
I know, but I have no respect for him to offer..

I've seen them on the Red & Black Forums. A while back... if I can find them I will post them, I guess... but I may not, since I don't like it at here and may stop posting. Fillipo annoys me too much time after time, it makes me act mean.

I really don't get you or your problem!

Filippo is one of the most respected members on this board and he asked you a legit question as you're seemingly the only member that sees this from Nocerino

If you can't handle someone questioning your reason than why did you sign up on a discussion forum?
X-Offender
Does anyone know where can I find this picture in higher resolution?

il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 16 2012, 03:16 PM) *
CHU must always swim against the tide for some reason.

MF's very own hipster tongue.gif
rip
I agree with most, Prince is not an AM. but he has done well in that position.

When Arsenal was running low on defensive options a few seasons back, Flamini was used as LB. He played so well to that position, wenger was actully planning to play him there regularly. But Flamini requested not to be played there.
han2503
QUOTE (rip @ Feb 19 2012, 08:14 AM) *
I agree with most, Prince is not an AM. but he has done well in that position.

When Arsenal was running low on defensive options a few seasons back, Flamini was used as LB. He played so well to that position, wenger was actully planning to play him there regularly. But Flamini requested not to be played there.

I think it was RB. And Carlo played him there a lot. He's decent but not anything special

Speaking of RBs, I think Abate's crossing has improved a lot this season, yes he's made a couple of errors in defence this season that we thought he'd eliminated from his game, but I think that's just down to his form not being as good as last season (I think this applies to pretty much all the players tbh)
Fillipo Simone
Carlo really played him a lot there? Are you sure? Somehow I fail to remember. At Marseille he played the LB.
But anyway, he's useless on pretty much every position because we have better players to cover them.

As for Abate...IMO I'll say his crossing improved the moment he makes more then 2 assists.
Jack Sparrow
I don't really have a problem with Prince at the AM position. I can understand and maybe even respect that as a 'tactical innovation'...the same way Carlo played a #10 at what is traditionally a DM position...

But that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is the lack of any creative impetus and how quickly we switch to the longball tactic. I refuse to believe that having Ibra makes one such a one-dimensional team.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 19 2012, 10:28 AM) *
Carlo really played him a lot there? Are you sure? Somehow I fail to remember. At Marseille he played the LB.
But anyway, he's useless on pretty much every position because we have better players to cover them.

As for Abate...IMO I'll say his crossing improved the moment he makes more then 2 assists.

Pretty sure he played the RB position under Carlo, I can't tell you which season it was exactly but I do remember him playing there when our situation at RB was dire.

Yes he needs to make more assists, but imo being a good crosser means more than just making assists, it's how many dangerous situations are created from those crosses. I think that's what's improved most this season, as opposed to the crosses to the keeper he regularly whipped in last season
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