acid911
Aug 18 2011, 01:02 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 18 2011, 04:40 AM)

Matrix was dirty, but Pepe is way out of his league. Some of the stuff Pepe has done is just plain assault and he should be in prison.
Word.

If he shaves like a Satan, he behaves like a Satan, he most definitely is a Satan.
Pure evil, this guy, and most of his tackles and general play is filled with malice, with 0% regard to the opposing player's safety. Add his terrible, terrible defending (the third Barca goal today was his mistake pure and pure) to his dirty plays and I agree, the guy should be in prison, not wearing the jersey of one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Habitant
Aug 18 2011, 01:48 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 18 2011, 12:35 AM)

Where have I been biased, exactly?
no but seriously how can u defend him jumping up in the air kicking messi while heading the ball? the guy is the definition of prick.
true barca have some douches of their down: alves, villa, busquets and mascherano.
but the real thugs are on a level of their own.
kurtsimonw
Aug 18 2011, 05:57 AM
They're both just awful club who don't understand the meaning of sportsmanship. Unfortunately it seems it's taught at an early age at Barca, Fabregas has been disgracing England with it for years.
han2503
Aug 18 2011, 08:45 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 18 2011, 12:42 AM)

It was obvious that Real were better physically than Barça, yet they got whooped once again.
Anyone noticed Mourinho pinching Guardiola's second during the fight? 

Best move I'd seen all night
Classic Mourinho, what a douche
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 18 2011, 12:47 AM)

A foul is a foul and the ref was going to deal with it. But unfortunately the Catalans don't seem to understand the refs job and take it into their own hands. Is there any need for their entire team to rush at Marcelo? No. Like I said, it's the Catalan way, Cesc has been doing it at Arsenal for years. They have to blow everything up and cause more trouble.
Errr.. the monkey noises whenever Marcelo got the ball were pretty audible and obvious. I imagine he was frustrated at the time and did something stupid. Is it right that he did it? No. But I can at least understand it.
These games, since Mourinho went over have taken a life of their own, the dirty and underhanded tactics from Real, the constant fouling. You can't expect Barca players to take it. So they dive around and crowd the ref. I've only ever seen them doing it with such frequency against Mou's Real
And show me one team where the players don't crowd the ref when they see their best players getting kicked and hacked down
Jack Sparrow
Aug 18 2011, 09:55 AM
Yeah. To be fair, I've seen the diving and the theatrics come out especially against teams that do this sort of rough-housing. If the crunching tackles are 'part of the game' then so is the falling under contact.
Zed.D
Aug 18 2011, 12:19 PM
I couldn't watch the game (kickoff was 1:30AM - for a game I knew would be a repeat of the ones we saw last season), just want to say Mourinho's fu-fu gesture to Messi was the last straw for me. count me in as a Mou hater from now on.
That f*cking douche.
CrazyMilanFan
Aug 18 2011, 12:32 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Aug 18 2011, 12:19 PM)

I couldn't watch the game (kickoff was 1:30AM - for a game I knew would be a repeat of the ones we saw last season), just want to say Mourinho's fu-fu gesture to Messi was the last straw for me. count me in as a Mou hater from now on.
That f*cking douche.
when did that happen i missed it
Fillipo Simone
Aug 18 2011, 12:43 PM
I really don't get the "biased" argument at all. I think everyone is biased and carries his biases with him; it's human and also logical. Why should I threat matches like scenes in some movie, separated and dissected? If Pepe makes brutal fouls all time long, why shouldn't he get a punishment even harder then Villa?
People done some grave damages in the past by acting not biased or trying to level up different sides. This is only a game, so the stakes aren't that high; but in reality I find this principle to be very dangerous.
Why should we treat Barcelona and Real the same, and why should we try to judge Villa as well as Pepe? Are they the same? Is the context the same?
Zed.D
Aug 18 2011, 12:47 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Aug 18 2011, 03:02 PM)

when did that happen i missed it
During the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xce0vFakcDc
X-Offender
Aug 18 2011, 01:15 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Aug 18 2011, 01:19 PM)

I couldn't watch the game (kickoff was 1:30AM - for a game I knew would be a repeat of the ones we saw last season), just want to say Mourinho's fu-fu gesture to Messi was the last straw for me. count me in as a Mou hater from now on.
That f*cking douche.
Aye, I noticed that as well. What a pr*ck!
kurtsimonw
Aug 18 2011, 02:26 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 18 2011, 12:43 PM)

I really don't get the "biased" argument at all. I think everyone is biased and carries his biases with him; it's human and also logical. Why should I threat matches like scenes in some movie, separated and dissected? If Pepe makes brutal fouls all time long, why shouldn't he get a punishment even harder then Villa?
People done some grave damages in the past by acting not biased or trying to level up different sides. This is only a game, so the stakes aren't that high; but in reality I find this principle to be very dangerous.
Why should we treat Barcelona and Real the same, and why should we try to judge Villa as well as Pepe? Are they the same? Is the context the same?
No I agree they shouldn't be judged the same. Pepe does his dirty work out in an open field, he doesn't try and hide it and basically does it as part of his job. Villa? He hides his dirty work when everyone is crowded and it's not likely to be seen. Ozil doesn't strike me as the type of guy who will do or say something to provoke someone into hitting him.
To me, fouling is part of the game. It's not cheating because the player doesn't try and get away with it, it's just something you do to stop your opponent and you get punished. Punching someone in the face when the game is not in play is assault and you are trying to get away with it, which is why it was done during that scene. Pepe is a disgrace, but anyone that does that kind of stuff when the game is not in play is even worse. A coward too.
il_diavolo_mtl
Aug 18 2011, 05:46 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Aug 18 2011, 07:47 AM)

having seen nothing but this clip i find it hilarious
dst
Aug 18 2011, 07:19 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 18 2011, 04:26 PM)

No I agree they shouldn't be judged the same. Pepe does his dirty work out in an open field, he doesn't try and hide it and basically does it as part of his job. Villa? He hides his dirty work when everyone is crowded and it's not likely to be seen. Ozil doesn't strike me as the type of guy who will do or say something to provoke someone into hitting him.
To me, fouling is part of the game. It's not cheating because the player doesn't try and get away with it, it's just something you do to stop your opponent and you get punished. Punching someone in the face when the game is not in play is assault and you are trying to get away with it, which is why it was done during that scene. Pepe is a disgrace, but anyone that does that kind of stuff when the game is not in play is even worse. A coward too.
How did Villa hide his dirty work? It's not like he did it in the tunnel or anything... I don't think Oezil is the type that will provoke but I have not before seen Villa go around hitting people either... and you say that he hit him when the game was not in play as if he was waiting for that to happen to do it. I don't know if you noticed but there was a big scene there it's not like he was holding it for some random moment, every camera and all eyes were on them... but I guess if you're biased (see, both ways

) you can see that timing as intentional.
Fouling to harm and disturb a player is even more unfair than diving in my view and both are part of the game only because refs allow it. I think Barcelona are disgraceful in that matter (diving) but I will always support them when they're playing The Douche's Bunch Of Thugs.
han2503
Aug 18 2011, 07:19 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Aug 18 2011, 12:47 PM)


he looks like Rown Atkinson as Mr. Bean
kurtsimonw
Aug 18 2011, 08:11 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 18 2011, 07:19 PM)

Fouling to harm and disturb a player is even more unfair than diving in my view
Not even close.
Fouling is a way of stopping an opponent at a cost. Diving is a way of cheating. Diving is far, far worse.
dst
Aug 18 2011, 08:18 PM
I said fouling to harm. That's more unfair than diving in my view. It can't be controlled either while diving can but no one's doing anything about it. The reason is, it's clear when someone is diving and if they handed bans for players doing that when reviewing games it would be limited to a rarity. On the other hand you can sense when someone is trying to injure his opponent but you cannot prove it.
Milan Are Brilliant
Aug 18 2011, 08:42 PM
3 pages
Anyone would think it would be ridiculous to suggest people love Barca here.
Jack Bauer
Aug 18 2011, 11:26 PM
More than they love Barca, they hate this Mou's Madrid team.
kurtsimonw
Aug 19 2011, 01:17 AM
QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Aug 18 2011, 08:42 PM)

3 pages
Anyone would think it would be ridiculous to suggest people love Barca here.
Pretty easy to spot a Madrid loss or Barca win aint it.
Bluesummers
Aug 19 2011, 01:40 AM
The amount of bias against mourinho on here is astonishing.
kurtsimonw
Aug 19 2011, 01:59 AM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2011, 01:40 AM)

The amount of bias against The Special One on here is astonishing.
acid911
Aug 19 2011, 03:07 AM
Jack Bauer
Aug 19 2011, 03:22 AM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2011, 03:40 AM)

The amount of bias against mourinho on here is astonishing.
Funny to hear that from you of all people.
The Arrogant Prick deserves every bit of criticism he's geting these days. Even his closest followers would find it hard to spin his latest sh!t.
X-Offender
Aug 19 2011, 03:49 AM
Bias? LOL. I don't think anyone is biased anymore when it comes to Mourinho. The guy's actions simply speak for themselves.
Bluesummers
Aug 19 2011, 03:59 AM
Before his actions the hatred was there; all thats changed is that now you guys have more justified reasons to hate instead of just jealousy.
He's still the best coach on the planet, the way he's changed madrid in a year is evidence of that.
Jack Sparrow
Aug 19 2011, 05:41 AM
Hmm. Best coaches in the planet? I object. I say Mancini has done more with Man CIty than Mourinho has with Madrid. And let's not bring money into it. On the relative scale, Chelsea was at one point the Man City of the EPL.
Fillipo Simone
Aug 19 2011, 09:21 AM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2011, 04:59 AM)

Before his actions the hatred was there; all thats changed is that now you guys have more justified reasons to hate instead of just jealousy.
He's still the best coach on the planet, the way he's changed madrid in a year is evidence of that.
You mean he has turned an unfortunate bunch of stars who're rapidly becoming losers into a wild bunch of thugs full of resentment and frustration when dealing with Barcelona? Gee, I don't know, but I always knew Mourinho has a Barcelona complex, but he's achieved to turn the whole team into his own complex, and made not 1 problem, but 22 or more. I don't consider it to be a good turn.
Remember Capello? He achieved more just a few years back. Nevertheless he got sacked.
More justified reasons? Hatred? What are you talking about? I mean, the guys actions cannot be taken as a positive act!
Zed.D
Aug 19 2011, 09:33 AM
I may have become a Mou hater but my opinion of him as a coach hasn't changed. he is great and has done well so far, except when playing Barca.
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 18 2011, 09:49 PM)


he looks like Rown Atkinson as Mr. Bean
LMAO
Fillipo Simone
Aug 19 2011, 09:40 AM
Just Barcelona? I don't think so, Barcelona just provokes his worst, but all in all I agree, he's a great coach but his behavior is exactly the reason I'd always be more happier with Max then Mourinho at Milan.
dst
Aug 19 2011, 10:12 AM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2011, 05:59 AM)

He's still the best coach on the planet, the way he's changed madrid in a year is evidence of that.
from 5-0 to 3-2, yeah he's done very well.
Milan Are Brilliant
Aug 19 2011, 11:49 AM
Hatred of Mourinho is one thing.
Hatred of CR7 is another.
Hatred of them when they're both in the same team...
Then plus the love of Barca incentive..
han2503
Aug 19 2011, 12:10 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2011, 01:40 AM)

The amount of bias against mourinho on here is astonishing.
He brings it on himself blue.

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2011, 03:59 AM)

Before his actions the hatred was there; all thats changed is that now you guys have more justified reasons to hate instead of just jealousy.
He's still the best coach on the planet, the way he's changed madrid in a year is evidence of that.
What has he done exactly? Win the Copa del Rey? After all the money they've put into that team yet he still hasn't delivered. We'll see what he does this season, if he doesn't win at least 1 major honour he'll get the sack, I'm 100% sure of this.
Not that Madrid before him were the pisture of class, but he's making a disgrace out of them. The antics, the fighting, all it's doing is making them look like idiots. And yet still he cannot beat Barca, no matter how many times he sets out his players to injure them.
Milan Are Brilliant
Aug 19 2011, 01:25 PM
Yet all of the falling over, feigning injury, diving gets overlooked. Bad as each other.
Jack Sparrow
Aug 19 2011, 01:28 PM
But really..you only see that side of Barca when it gets to teams that play on the edges of fouling. Like Mourinho's.
I agree they're all a lot of whiners...but when you see tackles like Marcelo's and Pepe's, I really don't blame them for falling the way they do.
If you can make a hard tackle with intention to harm and pretend it was 'tactical'. I can fall 'tactically' and pretend it was harmful.
Milan Are Brilliant
Aug 19 2011, 01:39 PM
It's a peeve of mine with Barca, the fact that they do that and that they surround the referee, time after time (especially if they are losing, it doesn't matter what the opposition are doing), they are the worst culprits for that I can think of even on the bench they are the same. I hardly think Cesc will be telling them to stop, seeing as he was one of the main perpetrators over here with doing it.
I'm not a Barca hater, I appreciate their football and acknowledge they are the best currently (I'm not sure on all-time). Though actions like this just don't make me love them like some members on here do, that's cool if you can overlook it but quite honestly I can't. That's why I don't jump on the Barca bandwagon.
Jack Sparrow
Aug 19 2011, 01:42 PM
Oh i don't like Barca too. I think they're graceful winners and sore losers. Not genuine champion material to me. But this Madrid makes the sinner that is barca look like a saint.
This was the club of the game's greats for heaven's sake. Madrid had people whom the world looked up to. Literally galaticos, not thugs.
As for CR7 he's the nicest guy in Madrid right now outside of Kaka. I don't think people hate him as much now.
Milan Are Brilliant
Aug 19 2011, 01:55 PM
Yeah, I'm certainly no lover of Madrid either, if you asked me before I would have probably leaned more towards Madrid (as they're the underdogs) but now, I simply couldn't care. They both have tremendous flaws. I just have a vague hope that the La Liga is better this year and we don't get 7/8-0's every other week.
Cristiano is growing up but he's certainly no saint, far from it. I rate him because of what he has achieved in 2 of the best leagues on the planet, but I certainly wouldn't say he's any better than most of the Barca players in terms of what they are like personality wise on the pitch.
Fillipo Simone
Aug 19 2011, 01:58 PM
It's a bit funny how I read pages of posts with the words "perpetrators", "hatred" and "hate", etc.
Almost like reading my work stuff...
Jack Sparrow
Aug 19 2011, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Aug 19 2011, 07:25 PM)

Yeah, I'm certainly no lover of Madrid either, if you asked me before I would have probably leaned more towards Madrid (as they're the underdogs) but now, I simply couldn't care. They both have tremendous flaws. I just have a vague hope that the La Liga is better this year and we don't get 7/8-0's every other week.
Cristiano is growing up but he's certainly no saint, far from it. I rate him because of what he has achieved in 2 of the best leagues on the planet, but I certainly wouldn't say he's any better than most of the Barca players in terms of what they are like personality wise on the pitch.
Quite a lot of Barca players are alright.
I don't like a few of them. Alves , Busquets and Masch especially.
I used to hate CR7, but now I actually respect the hard work he's put in and how much his skills have improved. It's not about the stats he's racking up...you just need to see him play. You have to respect any player who takes his craft seriously.
Imagine if Pato puts in that kind of effort.
X-Offender
Aug 19 2011, 02:17 PM
El Pais called Madrid a camorrista gang today.
Danny
Aug 19 2011, 02:28 PM
These days I'm definitely more of a Real Madrid man than Barca. That said, I wince when Kaka takes the field.
kurtsimonw
Aug 19 2011, 02:54 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 19 2011, 01:42 PM)

As for CR7 he's the nicest guy in Madrid right now outside of Kaka. I don't think people hate him as much now.

Why does nobody like Higuan but me!
han2503
Aug 19 2011, 04:57 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 19 2011, 12:42 PM)

Oh i don't like Barca too. I think they're graceful winners and sore losers. Not genuine champion material to me. But this Madrid makes the sinner that is barca look like a saint.
This was the club of the game's greats for heaven's sake. Madrid had people whom the world looked up to. Literally galaticos, not thugs.
As for CR7 he's the nicest guy in Madrid right now outside of Kaka. I don't think people hate him as much now.

Totally agree with you jack! I never claimed to "love" Barca, in fact their endless passing sometimes irritates the hell out of me. There diving is just something else. I'm just talking about their footballing style in general. But when it comes to Real, they themselves make people side with Barca, not for love but just simply because they're the lesser of 2 evils. And Mourinho imo is at the center of it, he's the chief instigator. I mean did anyone see Pep go into the mix and try to poke someone's eye out?
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 19 2011, 01:28 PM)

These days I'm definitely more of a Real Madrid man than Barca. That said, I wince when Kaka takes the field.

What did the man ever do to you? Did he pray a punch onto you?
Jack Sparrow
Aug 19 2011, 05:33 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2011, 09:27 PM)

What did the man ever do to you?
Did he pray a punch onto you?


It must be the way he left us. I mean, it can't be the overt Protestant thing, since you're a Rangers fan yourself.
kurtsimonw
Aug 19 2011, 11:14 PM
X-Offender
Aug 19 2011, 11:22 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2011, 12:14 AM)

Yes!!! I wish he would do that more often.
kurtsimonw
Aug 19 2011, 11:49 PM
And yet it's what Mourinho and the Madrid players get criticised for. Yawn.
X-Offender
Aug 20 2011, 12:30 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2011, 12:49 AM)

And yet it's what Mourinho and the Madrid players get criticised for. Yawn.
I don't think putting on the same ground Messi's taunting with Madrid's karate kicks is that fair.
kurtsimonw
Aug 20 2011, 12:48 AM
And yet Jose's taunting and the like is criticised.
Jack Bauer
Aug 20 2011, 02:26 AM
You might compared it to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCYqIwmVI1g even though it's not the same.
But is it really comparable with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUgOuzWvDfE ? Not in the same universe. Look at Mou's face expression after what he did, he's proud of it

And of course after the game, at the press conference, he expressed scorn for Villanova in his usual moronic way. God forbid the great mourinho will ever find the strengh to apologise. His arrogance is on the whole different level compared to other humans.
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