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X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 15 2012, 12:19 PM) *
Yet, this is not the answer to my question. R7 may have said the most ridiculous thing in the world or a totally bended truth, yet why getting personal? Really, we should keep staying focused and reasonable.


Because he was trolling the whole time during the Silva-Ibra rumors, posting witty comments accompanied by smiley faces, whilst we were all being very sad and angry about what was happening. Yes, I call that annoying trolling.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 15 2012, 03:17 PM) *
I'm sure he wouldn't have liked that rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif



At least he's enjoying the good life at PSG now innocent.gif
Zed.D
(Dude, stop trolling! tongue.gif )

I hope he is. he's gone now so it doesn't hurt to wish him luck and a good time in the city of light!

I sincerely wish PSG failure on all fronts though. would love to see Barca or Real put 5 goals past them.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 15 2012, 03:51 PM) *
Because he was trolling the whole time during the Silva-Ibra rumors, posting witty comments accompanied by smiley faces, whilst we were all being very sad and angry about what was happening. Yes, I call that annoying trolling.

Call it as you like, but keep it for yourself. Personal insults never get you anywhere but with a ban.

QUOTE
I was called a fucking monkey the other day and neither I nor you made such a big deal about it. we get angry sometimes and say things that we shouldn't. I don't think calling someone an annoying troll is as big an insult as you make it out to be anyway, but let's move on, OK?

I reacted, didn't I? And this is precisely why I reacted harder this time, because it seems personal insults are becoming a modus of discussion here. And that's completely out of line if you ask me. No justification, no exemption.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 15 2012, 02:17 PM) *
I was called a fucking monkey the other day

No, you weren't.

QUOTE
I don't think calling someone an annoying troll is as big an insult as you make it out to be anyway, but let's move on, OK?

agreed
Zed.D
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 16 2012, 04:24 AM) *
No, you weren't.


You're right!
dst
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 15 2012, 11:31 PM) *
I sincerely wish PSG failure on all fronts though. would love to see Barca or Real put 5 goals past them.

Why? I wish the opposite happens.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 16 2012, 10:42 AM) *
You're right!

Actually, there was a video with some monkeys above your comment in that thread, that was what Chu was referring to.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 16 2012, 03:22 PM) *
Actually, there was a video with some monkeys above your comment in that thread, that was what Chu was referring to.

Thanks, dst. I already PM'd him last night, which is why he said ''you're right''. So he knows now. smile.gif
Zed.D
I blame whoever deleted that video.

I also blame CHU for wrong grammar biggrin.gif

QUOTE
Why?

Unearned Arab money, easy shortcut to success.
dst
Yeah but Barcelona and RM? They are where they are with a debt of half a billion each... it's not like they've spent wisely...
Zed.D
I didn't say my problem was with debt, but taking the easy road to success. I admire Barca's way because despite their huge debt, at least most of their stars are the product of their own youth system.
Danny
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 16 2012, 03:15 PM) *
I didn't say my problem was with debt, but taking the easy road to success. I admire Barca's way because despite their huge debt, at least most of their stars are the product of their own youth system.


Not strictly true.

Messi they nicked from Newell's Old Boys, Iniesta from Albacete, Pedro from San Isidro, Busquets from Unió Jabac.

The only pure one raised from their own youth system was Xavi. Even Puyol came from another side.

Rest of their squad are multimillion signings from other clubs like Pique, Villa, Alves, Sanchez etc.

Barcelona basically went around hawking the best young players from other clubs.

I mean if you want to be vague about it you could say that because these players developed latterly in the Barca system then they're Barca youth.

But if you want to be exact, then they're not.

Only Xavi is a pureblood product of the Barca system. All the rest came from somewhere else.
Zed.D
Messi was nicked from Old Boys? Barca hawk other team's talents?

They signed Messi at 10 or 11, what does it matter where he was before that? they made him Messi, they taught him his football. if you ask me he is 90% if not 100% a Barca product. there's thousands of kids out there who could become the next Messis and Iniestas if given the right attention, why can't other clubs do a Barca, nick them and make world class players out of them? you make it sound so easy, like Barca do nothing really special and if Messi had ended up at Genoa (if I'm not mistaken Preziosi once said he was close to signing him!) he would've become just as great. well, no.

Bottom line is Barca do it well and do it to an extent no other club can do. that deserves praise IMO. the only thing I envy about them is their youth academy and the number of quality players it has introduced to their first team.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 11 2009, 05:42 AM) *
He's very good. A great signing, we beat inter and bayern for his signature.


I think he's going to turn out to be like lucio. He pushes up alot LOL.


I wonder though, who has a better long shot, Kaka or him!? laugh.gif

My prediction was right, he was a great signing cry.gif

He turned out even better than lucio cry.gif
acid911
And he even had a better long shot than Kaka. cry.gif
Danny
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 17 2012, 10:14 PM) *
Messi was nicked from Old Boys? Barca hawk other team's talents?

They signed Messi at 10 or 11, what does it matter where he was before that? they made him Messi, they taught him his football. if you ask me he is 90% if not 100% a Barca product. there's thousands of kids out there who could become the next Messis and Iniestas if given the right attention, why can't other clubs do a Barca, nick them and make world class players out of them? you make it sound so easy, like Barca do nothing really special and if Messi had ended up at Genoa (if I'm not mistaken Preziosi once said he was close to signing him!) he would've become just as great. well, no.

Bottom line is Barca do it well and do it to an extent no other club can do. that deserves praise IMO. the only thing I envy about them is their youth academy and the number of quality players it has introduced to their first team.


You seem to be overlooking Barca's success prior to the Messi era. As if they only suddenly became this great team once he became their lynchpin.

Truth is, as Acid and others agree, they became a great team at least 10 years prior to this, winning the league plenty times before Messi emerged. The Ronaldinho era started in 2003, with players like Guily, Eto'o etc. These weren't players from their youth academy, they were expensive signings.

It just clicked for them around this period, and just like Man Utd with their 'kids who can't win anything', they followed up the success of the Ron era with a team built around players they'd reared.

It didn't start there, it just continued.

Just like Utd - the Hughes, Pallister, Bruce, Robson era which saw so much success was then followed up by the Beckham, Scholes, Giggs period.

So, in a way I do agree with you, but it's not where Barca's success started.
acid911
Agreed, if you take a look at historical videos, they've been on the map for a while now. smile.gif Through the years, Barcelona has always signed expensive world talents, it's just that they played second fiddle to Madrid, but it was no ordinary second fiddle. They've always been an elite club since as far as I can remember.

Besides, being named after, and the best club in a famous city like Barcelona just makes the climb that much easier.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 18 2012, 06:37 PM) *
You seem to be overlooking Barca's success prior to the Messi era. As if they only suddenly became this great team once he became their lynchpin.

Truth is, as Acid and others agree, they became a great team at least 10 years prior to this, winning the league plenty times before Messi emerged. The Ronaldinho era started in 2003, with players like Guily, Eto'o etc. These weren't players from their youth academy, they were expensive signings.

It just clicked for them around this period, and just like Man Utd with their 'kids who can't win anything', they followed up the success of the Ron era with a team built around players they'd reared.

It didn't start there, it just continued.

Just like Utd - the Hughes, Pallister, Bruce, Robson era which saw so much success was then followed up by the Beckham, Scholes, Giggs period.

So, in a way I do agree with you, but it's not where Barca's success started.


Where/when did I even slightly imply that? blink.gif how are all this even related to what I originally said:

at least most of their stars are the product of their own youth system.

???
Danny
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 18 2012, 05:40 PM) *
Where/when did I even slightly imply that? blink.gif how are all this even related to what I originally said:

at least most of their stars are the product of their own youth system.

???


It isn't, it's related to what you posted after that. Keep up Zeddie tongue.gif
servbot
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Brazil defender Thiago Silva has told reporters that he is "sad" about his exit from AC Milan, having been forced out of the Italian side.

Thiago, 27, joined Paris St Germain last week for a fee of €42 million, having initially resisted a move to the French side.

The Brazil captain, though, insists it was not his decision to leave the San Siro and that he is "upset" by being labelled a mercenary.

"I was happy with the transfer and sad about my exit from Milan because I experienced some strong emotions there," Thiago told reporters at an Olympic news conference.

"This is football: one day you are here, the next day you are somewhere else. I had signed a new deal with them a week before. People call me a mercenary, which leaves me upset. I am not making more money at PSG. This is not my fault, I would like to apologise to the fans.

"This was a difficult situation for me: I did not want to leave Milan, and neither did my family. But it was a positive thing because [PSG sporting director] Leonardo and Carlo Ancelotti called me. When I joined Milan, it had also been Leonardo to call me. I really like him. PSG are a dream club, like Ibrahimovic said."

Thiago Silva will now lead Brazil at the Olympic Games, starting with a warm-up friendly against Great Britain on Friday, before joining up with his new team-mates in August.



ESPN Soccernet
Danny
Very misleading article. It's clear he's happy with the move, but would have equally been happy to stay.

For the headline to have suggested he was forced out is just total nonsense.

We accepted the bid, told him we could use the money, but he had the choice.

It's like when you move on from something you liked to start a new chapter - of course you will be 'sad' but equally I doubt he's gutted at the project he's moved to.
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 19 2012, 08:38 PM) *
Very misleading article. It's clear he's happy with the move, but would have equally been happy to stay.

For the headline to have suggested he was forced out is just total nonsense.

We accepted the bid, told him we could use the money, but he had the choice.

It's like when you move on from something you liked to start a new chapter - of course you will be 'sad' but equally I doubt he's gutted at the project he's moved to.

No player will EVER say that he's not happy at his club or that he did not want to move there when he's just signed on for a multi-million deal with said club.

I think Silva chose to go to PSG because Milan wanted him to be sold. That's why he's said multiple times that it was a really hard decision for him to make.
KillerMax
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 19 2012, 03:19 PM) *
That's why he's said multiple times that it was a really hard decision for him to make.


Same with Kaka. Then there are those supposed ultras calling these guys mercenaries and defending the management.
han2503
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jul 20 2012, 12:37 AM) *
Same with Kaka. Then there are those supposed ultras calling these guys mercenaries and defending the management.

Don't know about Kaka, I think it was a mixture of both Milan wanting to cash in, Kaka wanting Real and his money hungry family wanting more cash.
Fillipo Simone
Yes. Completely different cases. Kaka's entourage was a crucial factor.
KillerMax
Here:

http://www.football-italia.net/22490/thiag...-milan-decision

And Kaka gave a similar interview after leaving Milan. I believe both.
X-Offender
Thiago: "Cassano to Inter? I feel perplexed. I didn't expect him to join the rivals. Berlusconi? When he blocked my transfer initially I was rather puzzled. But I was calm, as I was very busy then training with Brazil".

Link

Also, he must really hate #4. It was free here when Kaladze left and he didn't choose it. Now at PSG it's still free and he picks #2.
Fillipo Simone
Hmh, we all feel perplexed about Cassano moving to Inter.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2012, 02:11 AM) *
Thiago: "Cassano to Inter? I feel perplexed. I didn't expect him to join the rivals. Berlusconi? When he blocked my transfer initially I was rather puzzled. But I was calm, as I was very busy then training with Brazil".

Link

Also, he must really hate #4. It was free here when Kaladze left and he didn't choose it. Now at PSG it's still free and he picks #2.

lol, I went to his wiki page after you said that and see this pic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thiago_S...Brazil_2011.jpg biggrin.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 25 2012, 06:25 AM) *
lol, I went to his wiki page after you said that and see this pic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thiago_S...Brazil_2011.jpg biggrin.gif


He must have been wearing that against his will. biggrin.gif
Fillipo Simone
Actually the #4 was occupied by Biševac. He only recently changed to Lyon, so Thiago couldn't have picked the number. At Milan there is a different tradition with the #4. Thiago apparently wanted to avoid being part of Kaladze's legacy.

But I don't think he has a problem with the number...

X-Offender
han2503
Thiago is one of the classiest players we've had the pleasure of having in this club. A few short years with us and I still don't hesitate to put him in the same bracket with the likes of Seedorf, Gattuso, Nesta, etc
Fillipo Simone
He certainly could have made this level/league. It really hurts not to see him play for us.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 14 2012, 11:09 PM) *
He certainly could have made this level/league. It really hurts not to see him play for us.

I think he's proven himself even more now that he was sold. It's comforting sort of to see that he still thinks about Milan. Maybe if PSG doesn't work out great for him we could see a return
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 15 2012, 01:34 AM) *
I think he's proven himself even more now that he was sold. It's comforting sort of to see that he still thinks about Milan. Maybe if PSG doesn't work out great for him we could see a return

Hopefully.
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 15 2012, 04:09 AM) *
He certainly could have made this level/league. It really hurts not to see him play for us.

Could have made this league? huh.gif Man, this league was made for him! A player possessing Silva's mental toughness, perfect physique, speed, vision, game reading ability and humble personality is a perfect, perfect fit for the most demanding defensive league in the world. Too bad it had to come to this.

3-4 more years like this, and he'd have been near Nesta level. sleep.gif Sadly, I have little hope of him returning.

KillerMax
For me, I've yet to see anyone in the same league as Maldini, Nesta and Costacurta. On top of all the physical and technical qualities, they had a certain style that you can't learn. I didn't see much of Baresi, but he also seemed to be more about the grit than style. While players like Nesta and Maldini balanced grit and style like they were ancient Greek Gods or something... Superb amount of strength tempered with grace.
X-Offender
Maldini-Nesta of the mid 00s (2003-2007) were maybe the strongest CB pairing ever.
Fillipo Simone
Yep. Not that I disrespect Thiago, but he really can't be compared to Sandro, Paolo, Billy or Franco.
dst
You know how I feel about God and Nesta and I think Silva did have that style quality that Max is talking about. He still was not as good as either of them but there's no reason to believe he could not have been, his improvement if his short time with Milan was already big.
kurtsimonw
Agreed.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 15 2012, 04:05 AM) *
Yep. Not that I disrespect Thiago, but he really can't be compared to Sandro, Paolo, Billy or Franco.

...yet
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Dec 17 2012, 05:08 PM) *
...yet

Well we tend to forget he's 28. Not that much time left.
amancik
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 17 2012, 11:38 PM) *
Well we tend to forget he's 28. Not that much time left.


If he was still with Milan, he could at least play for another 8-10 years. Plenty enough time to make a legendary status.
TriniKing_CE
Read this on Sunday (Milan - fb group):

Reporter: "Who will win Scudetto? Juve, Inter or Napoli " Thiago Silva: "Why didn't you mention Milan? Nothing is impossible!"
Thiago Silva: "AC Milan is always in my heart."


Not sure how true it is, but I found it to be a bit classy (and touching) provided that it is.
X-Offender
Thiago still loves this club, you can read it through the lines in every interview.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 18 2012, 12:52 PM) *
Thiago still loves this club, you can read it through the lines in every interview.

Agreed. Maybe a couple years down the line they can reunite like some romance novel.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 18 2012, 06:52 PM) *
Thiago still loves this club, you can read it through the lines in every interview.

And it's even harder when you know there's so little love left. I'm not sure who of the present players truly lives for Milan, like Rino, Billy or Paolo did.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 18 2012, 07:31 PM) *
And it's even harder when you know there's so little love left. I'm not sure who of the present players truly lives for Milan, like Rino, Billy or Paolo did.


I think Nocerino does. His interviews are always so passionate. And Ambro, obviously. Don't know about the rest.
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