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jefri91
I have come up with a new formation, its called...
OPERATION SAVE ANCELOTTI'S *** !!

Abbiati-Dida-Kalac
-NONE
-NONE
Kaka-Sheva,R80,Pato,Borriello
Galliani-Seedorf
Ancelotti
CrazyMilanFan
what is sacchi doing now days innocent.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 14 2008, 04:20 PM) *
Gee, thanks, Porty.

You're welcome.

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 14 2008, 04:21 PM) *
Naaa, Tennie had an eye out on this one for a long time, credit goes to her.

She's more worried editing ma posts.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (jefri91 @ Sep 14 2008, 04:24 PM) *
I have come up with a new formation, its called...
OPERATION SAVE ANCELOTTI'S *** !!

Abbiati-Dida-Kalac
-NONE
-NONE
Kaka-Sheva,R80,Pato,Borriello
Galliani-Seedorf
Ancelotti

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Zed.D
Maldini was at fault on both goals. also at fault on Bologna's first goal. we CAN'T afford to concede these cheap goals when we have problems up front! Maldini is a legend and can play forever if he wants to? OK, play him IN THE LEFT!! at least his mistakes won't cost us as much as when he makes them in the heart of defense! he's slow. he's 41 years old!! who says he can keep up with those fast players anymore??
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (jefri91 @ Sep 14 2008, 04:24 PM) *
I have come up with a new formation, its called...
OPERATION SAVE ANCELOTTI'S *** !!

Abbiati-Dida-Kalac
-NONE
-NONE
Kaka-Sheva,R80,Pato,Borriello
Galliani-Seedorf
Ancelotti

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (jefri91 @ Sep 14 2008, 06:54 PM) *
I have come up with a new formation, its called...
OPERATION SAVE ANCELOTTI'S *** !!

Abbiati-Dida-Kalac
-NONE
-NONE
Kaka-Sheva,R80,Pato,Borriello
Galliani-Seedorf
Ancelotti


OH MY GOD laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
han2503
Can't wait to hear the first words that come out of Galliani's and Ancelotti's mouths rolleyes.gif
vahid
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Sep 14 2008, 04:30 PM) *
Maldini was at fault on both goals. also at fault on Bologna's first goal. we CAN'T afford to concede these cheap goals when we have problems up front! Maldini is a legend and can play forever if he wants to? OK, play him IN THE LEFT!! at least his mistakes won't cost us as much as when he makes them in the heart of defense! he's slow. he's 41 years old!! who says he can keep up with those fast players anymore??


Totally agreed wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Portikins @ Sep 14 2008, 03:58 PM) *
Who was the muppett who said City was the laughing-stock in Europe right now?

He's the muppet that's got himself booted. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 14 2008, 04:13 PM) *
No need to worry about him anymore cool.gif

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KillerMax
QUOTE (jefri91 @ Sep 14 2008, 10:24 AM) *
I have come up with a new formation, its called...
OPERATION SAVE ANCELOTTI'S *** !!

Abbiati-Dida-Kalac
-NONE
-NONE
Kaka-Sheva,R80,Pato,Borriello
Galliani-Seedorf
Ancelotti


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You had me at 3 keepers in goal.
whoarethepatriots
QUOTE (jefri91 @ Sep 14 2008, 04:14 PM) *
Hey guys look on the bright side, were 19th place not 20 !!!

were so damn lucky innocentsmily.gif


Good point, things could be worse for us!

Raise your hand if you think Sheva will be detrimental to Borriello and Pato's growth. Raise another hand if you think he pushed out Paloschi and robbed us of another potential one team man, and effective striker

Gila was blamed, now Carlo. If he is sacked and performances are not improved who will we blame next?
CrazyMilanFan
General Manager Adriano Galliani sent a stark warning to Carlo Ancelotti. “He doesn’t risk the sack, but he’d better stop losing.”

The comments were made before the final whistle of this afternoon’s 2-0 defeat at Genoa, which left Milan propping up the table on zero points alongside Cagliari.

“Ancelotti is starting his eighth campaign with Milan and I think few tacticians can boast such a long run at a single club,” said Galliani.

“Ancelotti does not run any risk, even if we lost today, but he would do well to stop losing. This isn’t an issue with the Coach, it is a problem that we have played eight games since the end of July and lost seven of them. This just won’t do.

“The Coach running a risk is not what is up for debate here, but undoubtedly Milan’s performances right now are insufficient. That doesn’t mean I want to change the Coach, but it is the job of a director to give his technical staff some guidance.”

Ancelotti might’ve infuriated President Silvio Berlusconi and general manager Galliani today when he substituted summer signings Ronaldinho and Andriy Shevchenko at half-time.

There are also concerns over the performance of some of the old guard who may be getting complacent.

“I don’t think so. There are examples of Coaches who remain at the same side for a long time, such as Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger in England. That is what we’re trying to follow.

“I repeat, Ancelotti does not risk the sack, but he’d better stop losing.”
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 14 2008, 04:49 PM) *
General Manager Adriano Galliani sent a stark warning to Carlo Ancelotti. “He doesn’t risk the sack, but he’d better stop losing.”

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So he does?!
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Sep 14 2008, 04:50 PM) *
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So he does?!

not this week i suppose may be next if we make 0 out of 9
vahid
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 14 2008, 03:49 PM) *
General Manager Adriano Galliani sent a stark warning to Carlo Ancelotti. “He doesn’t risk the sack, but he’d better stop losing.”


WTH?
I think he is already sacked!
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (vahid @ Sep 14 2008, 04:52 PM) *
WTH?
I think he is already sacked!

how blink.gif
jefri91
QUOTE (johnie @ Sep 14 2008, 04:06 PM) *
heloo all Can sb of you give me your skype name ?

RANDOM!!!
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (johnie @ Sep 14 2008, 05:06 PM) *
heloo all Can sb of you give me your skype name ?


Haven't got skype, sorry smile.gif
Rossoneri7
This wasn't the best of games, I would say the one against Bologna was played at a much better pace and the understanding was there in the opening game.

This time around, I think the team was unbalanced throughout the 90 mins.

Many remarks, but it would premature for me to start pointing fingers since the season has just started and this is only the second game. STILL, looking at the table, with two games played and two losses I am starting to wonder if Serie A is really a target ?! But I remain confined to the issue that the team has not trained with each other for a reasonable amount of time. You could clearly see how much Shevchenko & Ronaldinho lacked in understanding. In terms of the Golden boy in more times than others the camera was on him while he was clutching his knees and didn't look as confident (I think it was the pain).


Most of the posters on here have bah-bahed onto the basher zone of MF ... And I don't blame them, as there was a lot of expectation from this team. Milan should at least have 4 points at this stage.

Carlo had so much options, but opted to pair up Kaka' & Ronaldinho from the start.

I think, considering how the team played, Carlo should have played the diamond with:

QUOTE
Dida

Zambrotta Bonera Maldini Favali

Pirlo

Flamini Seedorf

Ronaldinho

Shevchenko Borriello



Oh well, life goes on ... Next up, Lazio @ the San Siro
acid911
Good lineup, R7. cool.gif Unbalanced was the word from the start.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7)
I am starting to wonder if Serie A is really a target ?!


Like Porty would say, Bah!!! but to tell the truth, I'm not surprised to hear that from you...

By the way the next game is against Zurich. it's a European game after all... so we'll do great and UEFA Cup will all of a sudden become our prime target cool.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 14 2008, 05:55 PM) *
Many remarks, but it would premature for me to start pointing fingers since the season has just started and this is only the second game. STILL, looking at the table, with two games played and two losses I am starting to wonder if Serie A is really a target ?! But I remain confined to the issue that the team has not trained with each other for a reasonable amount of time. You could clearly see how much Shevchenko & Ronaldinho lacked in understanding. In terms of the Golden boy in more times than others the camera was on him while he was clutching his knees and didn't look as confident (I think it was the pain).

You wonder if Serie A is really the target?!!

Galliani has been harping on about it all summer, that it's the number one targt, that they've given Ancelotti the neccissary players to compete and so on. And what else could possibly be our target this season??? The UEFA Cup? The Coppa Italia?

If Galliani comes out at the end of the season saying that Serie A wasn't our target then we all know that he's saying it because we failed
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Sep 14 2008, 06:08 PM) *
Like Porty would say, Bah!!! but to tell the truth, I'm not surprised to hear that from you...

By the way the next game is against Zurich. it's a European game after all... so we'll do great and UEFA Cup will all of a sudden become our prime target cool.gif

we mite even lose that u never know i mean lugano
vahid
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 14 2008, 05:13 PM) *
You wonder if Serie A is really the target?!!

Galliani has been harping on about it all summer, that it's the number one targt, that they've given Ancelotti the neccissary players to compete and so on. And what else could possibly be our target this season??? The UEFA Cup? The Coppa Italia?


4th title cool.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 14 2008, 08:13 PM) *
You wonder if Serie A is really the target?!!

Galliani has been harping on about it all summer, that it's the number one targt, that they've given Ancelotti the neccissary players to compete and so on. And what else could possibly be our target this season??? The UEFA Cup? The Coppa Italia?

If Galliani comes out at the end of the season saying that Serie A wasn't our target then we all know that he's saying it because we failed


Your just blowing it up han ... I meant it, like thinking out loud. I still have hope in that Milan could challenge for the league, it's just that I have yet to see the players click on the pitch .. And that is what I meant by Serie A being our target. Galliani has nothing to do with my opinion, that is for sure wink.gif
Tennie
Not to pour too much salt on a wound, but here are datasport's player ratings:

Abbiati 6.5
Zambrotta 5
Maldini 4.5
Favalli 4.5
Bonera 5
Kaka` 5.5
Flamini 5
Ronaldinho 4
Pirlo 5
Ambrosini 5
Seedorf 5
Shevchenko 4
Pato 5
Borriello 5.5
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 14 2008, 05:26 PM) *
Your just blowing it up han ... I meant it, like thinking out loud. I still have hope in that Milan could challenge for the league, it's just that I have yet to see the players click on the pitch .. And that is what I meant by Serie A being our target. Galliani has nothing to do with my opinion, that is for sure wink.gif

Imo, that's just trying to make up excuses for the team. There's no possible other target to have. And these are professionals getting paid one of the biggest payrolls in Europe to play for this team, so now they just decide they don't want Serie A? That's not how it works.

Serie A is infact our target, if not then the players should just stay at home this season if they don't intend to fight for it.
kurtsimonw
The squad we have should be more than capable of winning Serie A, the Coppa and the UEFA Cup. But I'll be surprised if we win any. Though I wouldn't be surprised if we play more first teamers in the Coppa, win it, then use that as an excuse.
Zed.D
I'm all for Pato-Borriello against Zurich.

But hey, it's a European game. the Christmas tree (with Andriy on the top of it) cool.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 14 2008, 08:38 PM) *
Imo, that's just trying to make up excuses for the team. There's no possible other target to have. And these are professionals getting paid one of the biggest payrolls in Europe to play for this team, so now they just decide they don't want Serie A? That's not how it works.

Serie A is infact our target, if not then the players should just stay at home this season if they don't intend to fight for it.


And again I am not making excuses biggrin.gif

I was just questioning the way Milan played today ... But remain confident in that this team hasn't been training a lot together, maybe now that they are all available to the coach in training, we might see more understanding on the pitch (which in my opinion is the only thing lacking)
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 14 2008, 05:43 PM) *
And again I am not making excuses biggrin.gif

I was just questioning the way Milan played today ... But remain confident in that this team hasn't been training a lot together, maybe now that they are all available to the coach in training, we might see more understanding on the pitch (which in my opinion is the only thing lacking)

There were many things lacking besides understanding, like form, fitness, motivation. And on top off that there was Carlo's tactical decisions. How could we possibly win this game with all those things involved?
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 14 2008, 08:49 PM) *
There were many things lacking besides understanding, like form, fitness, motivation. And on top off that there was Carlo's tactical decisions. How could we possibly win this game with all those things involved?


Step by step han biggrin.gif

fitness & form is definitely an issue, because it is the start of the season. Motivation and, if I might add, humility were also lacking today.

And on Carlo's decisions, on hindsight it seems rather easy ... Kurt could coach this team and win the CL if it was down to him, or hell give the team to Porty and watch how he will massacre Mourinho on week 5 of the league ... And it wont stop there, would it wink.gif

I remain confident han ... let's see how the team fairs out against Lazio next week smile.gif


QUOTE
Cesare Maldini live on Jazeera:

- Milan has fitness problems.
- Team didn't get a chance to integrate well.
- When a team is late at closing down the opponent, it means fitness is low.
- Milan's players were all over the world on international duty, that is a cause for fatigue.
- Ancelotti was calm and confident at the press conference and I don't see him being taken out.
kurtsimonw
Milan's players were all over the world on international duty, that is a cause for fatigue.

What a stupid comment. rolleyes.gif Yeah, because we're the only team in the World with international players.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 14 2008, 09:16 PM) *
Milan's players were all over the world on international duty, that is a cause for fatigue.

What a stupid comment. rolleyes.gif Yeah, because we're the only team in the World with international players.


erm, Ronaldinho only arrived at Milan yesterday evening from Brazil ... Another thing, Don Cesare spoke in Italian, I heard the comments translated in Arabic, so some things are lost in translation wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 14 2008, 06:06 PM) *
And on Carlo's decisions, on hindsight it seems rather easy ...

Problem is, you can't really blame it on hindsight since Carlo has been making the same tactical errors in the league for 2 years now. When will he learn that the xmas tree with 2 defensive mids just won't work in the league against these kinds of teams? When did we start making decent chances in this match? When one of the defensive midfielders was finally taken off, that's when.

Problem is Carlo is to stubborn to change his system. And he'll probably be out the door before he finally gets it into his thick skull. We need fresh ideas and a coach that demands respect and 100% commitment to the cause from his players, and I don't see that happening with Carlo on the bench
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 14 2008, 09:22 PM) *
Problem is, you can't really blame it on hindsight since Carlo has been making the same tactical errors in the league for 2 years now. When will he learn that the xmas tree with 2 defensive mids just won't work in the league against these kinds of teams? When did we start making decent chances in this match? When one of the defensive midfielders was finally taken off, that's when.

Problem is Carlo is to stubborn to change his system. And he'll probably be out the door before he finally gets it into his thick skull. We need fresh ideas and a coach that demands respect and 100% commitment to the cause from his players, and I don't see that happening with Carlo on the bench


That's your opinion, and I respect it. But don't necessarily agree with it han
Portman
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 14 2008, 07:06 PM) *
fitness & form is definitely an issue, because it is the start of the season. Motivation and, if I might add, humility were also lacking today.

Motivation and humility. 2 essential things we're missing in the last 3 years. And the things won't get better, next week we'll lose to Lazio.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Portikins @ Sep 14 2008, 09:28 PM) *
Motivation and humility. 2 essential things we're missing in the last 3 years. And the things won't get better, next week we'll lose to Lazio.



Alright people ... You all heard it from portugal, sign off the forums, go find better things to do with ur lives, there is no point to even be here
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 14 2008, 06:26 PM) *
That's your opinion, and I respect it. But don't necessarily agree with it han

Personally I don't think there is any other way to look at it. It's not like this is the first time this happened, because of Carlo's pig headed ways, we've been going through the same crap draws and losses because of Carlo's tactics for 2 years now.

And if you can't see that our main problem is Carlo then what is the problem? All those things Cesare said do have some effect but imo all are excuses, same goes for your 'maybe the league is not our target' statment. We had a team out there full off international players and we were playing Genoa, not Inter or any of the other top teams, there is no excuse for losing the way we did
acid911
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 14 2008, 10:38 PM) *
Abbiati 6.5

Joke of the funking year. dry.gif The only thing with Abbiati is that he doesn't make those silly mistakes once in a while. Otherwise, he's about average in all departments. Hence the reason he's number one. I'm yet to see him save our behinds in an important match. Let's in 2 goals, 3, goals regularly.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 14 2008, 09:33 PM) *
Personally I don't think there is any other way to look at it. It's not like this is the first time this happened, because of Carlo's pig headed ways, we've been going through the same crap draws and losses because of Carlo's tactics for 2 years now.

And if you can't see that our main problem is Carlo then what is the problem? All those things Cesare said do have some effect but imo all are excuses, same goes for your 'maybe the league is not our target' statment. We had a team out there full off international players and we were playing Genoa, not Inter or any of the other top teams, there is no excuse for losing the way we did


The hell does that mean ? mad.gif So now everything I say is an official statement ?
Tennie
Without getting into polemics or debates, in my opinion there is no excuse for the performance I saw today. Poor team selection (if the internationals were tired, then FIELD SOMEONE ELSE). Poor tactics. Really poor performances.

This is AC Milan. What I saw today is just not acceptable.
Warchant
So long and thanks for all the fish
Zed.D
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 14 2008, 10:46 PM) *
Milan's players were all over the world on international duty, that is a cause for fatigue.

What a stupid comment. rolleyes.gif Yeah, because we're the only team in the World with international players.


+1

It'd be much better if they stopped making excuses and just said 'we were bad today. we'll try to do better next games'. I'm sick of these childish comments. 'penalised by international games', 'not trained with each other properly', 'not lucky', blah blah.
Tennie
Not to make excuses - becuase I don't think there can BE any for today's shambles - the full team really hasn't trained as a group more than 5-6 days. Even so, FIELD THE OLD GUARD and let the new guys wait. Do something, anything to avoid this sort of humiliation.
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 14 2008, 06:43 PM) *
The hell does that mean ? mad.gif So now everything I say is an official statement ?

It's a statement that you made here on the forum that I read. So I voiced my oppinion of what I thought about that particular statement. Personally I see it as a form of excuse for the way the team played. Now I know that you said you didn't mean it in that way, but that's what I think of it.

You should be happy, I rate your oppinion as highly as I rate Cesare Maldini's tongue.gif

And I didn't mean it as anything personal, sorry if it came off that way smile.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 14 2008, 11:29 PM) *
Not to make excuses - becuase I don't think there can BE any for today's shambles - the full team really hasn't trained as a group more than 5-6 days. Even so, FIELD THE OLD GUARD and let the new guys wait. Do something, anything to avoid this sort of humiliation.


I know. maybe everything they say is true to some extent. international players were tired and players haven't trained with each other much yet, OK. I'm saying why should they say these things? what difference do they make? the fans have been hearing these sorts of excuses for the past two seasons! and like Kurt said other teams have the same problems to deal with too. how come they're doing pretty good and we don't? I'm not sure if we have more internationals than Madrid for example. they played really good and bagged three points too. or Juve. right now I'm watching their game and they're really sharp...
weeeow
i'm gna get such a bollocking tomorrow at school dry.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 14 2008, 10:05 PM) *
It's a statement that you made here on the forum that I read. So I voiced my oppinion of what I thought about that particular statement. Personally I see it as a form of excuse for the way the team played. Now I know that you said you didn't mean it in that way, but that's what I think of it.

You should be happy, I rate your oppinion as highly as I rate Cesare Maldini's tongue.gif

And I didn't mean it as anything personal, sorry if it came off that way smile.gif


I'v been trying to make it clear to you, that it was a thought that I was thinking out loud, in that Milan dont seem ready for the Scudetto and that I am questioning it ..

My personal opinion though ? I am convinced once this team clicks it will shoot straight to 1st place.

p.s. no worries, i just got pissed cuz i kept repeating what i meant and u just disregarded it totally.


QUOTE
Cesare Maldini after the Juventus match gave his insight on Serie A:

Juventus: have a very good spine to them and are serious challengers for the Scudetto. He doesn't think they will go far in the UCL though.

Roma: had been pipped to be one of the top four this season too, but if they struggle in the first half of the season, could find it difficult to get back up considering their squad depth and UCL obligations.

merda: have the strongest squad in Italy and Europe. They have 23 players and all of them are worth a first team start.

Milan: suffering physically and need to train more together. The individuals are there, they just need to make the team click.

Fiorentina: a very good team, with a lot of potential. He puts money on them in the UCL ohmy.gif
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