Your just blowing it up han ... I meant it, like thinking out loud. I still have hope in that Milan could challenge for the league, it's just that I have yet to see the players click on the pitch .. And that is what I meant by Serie A being our target. Galliani has nothing to do with my opinion, that is for sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Not to pour too much salt on a wound, but here are datasport's player ratings:

Abbiati 6.5
Zambrotta 5
Maldini 4.5
Favalli 4.5
Bonera 5
Kaka` 5.5
Flamini 5
Ronaldinho 4
Pirlo 5
Ambrosini 5
Seedorf 5
Shevchenko 4
Pato 5
Borriello 5.5

Imo, that's just trying to make up excuses for the team. There's no possible other target to have. And these are professionals getting paid one of the biggest payrolls in Europe to play for this team, so now they just decide they don't want Serie A? That's not how it works.

Serie A is infact our target, if not then the players should just stay at home this season if they don't intend to fight for it.

The squad we have should be more than capable of winning Serie A, the Coppa and the UEFA Cup. But I'll be surprised if we win any. Though I wouldn't be surprised if we play more first teamers in the Coppa, win it, then use that as an excuse.

I'm all for Pato-Borriello against Zurich.

But hey, it's a European game. the Christmas tree (with Andriy on the top of it) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

And again I am not making excuses (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I was just questioning the way Milan played today ... But remain confident in that this team hasn't been training a lot together, maybe now that they are all available to the coach in training, we might see more understanding on the pitch (which in my opinion is the only thing lacking)

There were many things lacking besides understanding, like form, fitness, motivation. And on top off that there was Carlo's tactical decisions. How could we possibly win this game with all those things involved?

Step by step han (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

fitness & form is definitely an issue, because it is the start of the season. Motivation and, if I might add, humility were also lacking today.

And on Carlo's decisions, on hindsight it seems rather easy ... Kurt could coach this team and win the CL if it was down to him, or hell give the team to Porty and watch how he will massacre Mourinho on week 5 of the league ... And it wont stop there, would it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I remain confident han ... let's see how the team fairs out against Lazio next week (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Milan's players were all over the world on international duty, that is a cause for fatigue.

What a stupid comment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Yeah, because we're the only team in the World with international players.

erm, Ronaldinho only arrived at Milan yesterday evening from Brazil ... Another thing, Don Cesare spoke in Italian, I heard the comments translated in Arabic, so some things are lost in translation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Problem is, you can't really blame it on hindsight since Carlo has been making the same tactical errors in the league for 2 years now. When will he learn that the xmas tree with 2 defensive mids just won't work in the league against these kinds of teams? When did we start making decent chances in this match? When one of the defensive midfielders was finally taken off, that's when.

Problem is Carlo is to stubborn to change his system. And he'll probably be out the door before he finally gets it into his thick skull. We need fresh ideas and a coach that demands respect and 100% commitment to the cause from his players, and I don't see that happening with Carlo on the bench

This post has been edited by han2503: Sep 14 2008, 07:23 PM

That's your opinion, and I respect it. But don't necessarily agree with it han

Motivation and humility. 2 essential things we're missing in the last 3 years. And the things won't get better, next week we'll lose to Lazio.

Alright people ... You all heard it from portugal, sign off the forums, go find better things to do with ur lives, there is no point to even be here

Personally I don't think there is any other way to look at it. It's not like this is the first time this happened, because of Carlo's pig headed ways, we've been going through the same crap draws and losses because of Carlo's tactics for 2 years now.

And if you can't see that our main problem is Carlo then what is the problem? All those things Cesare said do have some effect but imo all are excuses, same goes for your 'maybe the league is not our target' statment. We had a team out there full off international players and we were playing Genoa, not Inter or any of the other top teams, there is no excuse for losing the way we did

This post has been edited by han2503: Sep 14 2008, 07:35 PM