By the way, was Gourcuff even on the bench? He was nowhere to be found in the trophy presentation.

That's what I was thinking because I thought he was included on the bench but I never saw him for the trophy celebrations

Yesterday we made agreat comeback. Sevilla was dissapointing, but that's only cause they played against Milan. Everything seems to be fitting at this moment, even Kaladze mad a solid and strong match. Still, some things should be corrected. Here are my ratings:

Dida (5) - really poor. one of his worst matches ever. the goal was funny and stupid at the same time. dida looked unconvinceing and very indecisive in every situation, he ran infront of nowere, moments he looked like and amateur. i hope it was his sholder. but last season dida made some very similar errors. if he starts to do that more often, we have a big problem

Kaladze (7) - solid, good for headers, no passing errors, got upfront when needed, hold back also when needed. above expected.

Nesta (8) - brilliant. saved a sure goal from the line, allways did the right thing at the right moment, supported Oddo on the r-side, was unbreakable.

Oddo (6) - motivation and passion could be found in every of his many moves. He is trying very hard to convince, but the RB could also be a problem. too many inprecise crosses for such bold offensive runs. made a lot of passing errors, but his tackling was great.

Jankulovski (7) - just like Oddo he is trying, and succeeds more often. his goal was absolute power and brialliance, his movement was all the time very good and his covering more intelligent then usual. still, room for improvement left.

Gattuso (7) - had a very bad first half, and a great second. His cross for Inzaghi was even above his standard and after that he gained even more confidence.

Pirlo (8) - pure skill and inspiration. every single pass was charming and at the same time more then usefull. only his corners were not that good.

Ambrosini (7.5) - no mistakes, no false passing, he was an example for everyone. he stopped Alves mostly and did the ruff and tuff work in a very elegant manner. soon we'll be used to see him lifting more throphies

Seedorf (7) - helped with his creation when needed, but sometimes lacked of percision. still covered a wide field very well. his grand gesture to Puerta/Sevilla when substituted was just as big as his character

Kaka (7) - covered even more space then Seedorf but wasn't enough determinated. did some very good defensive stuff wich really suprised. made some characteristic runs, but did not managed to end them in the way he did lst season, but that's just cause it's season start. also, earned the penalty and scored the final goal.

Inzaghi (8) - superpippo is really back. it's his third renaissance, he is really a cat with 9 lives,..

Milan fans (10) - do I have to say why?

Pirlo and Nesta only got an 8!?

I'm having this paranoid thought that he is upset and did not take part in the celebrations...

10 I never give, 9 must be pure perfection,..

Is 5 also the lowest that you give, I thought that was quite generous for Dida.

No... he would be sold right away if he did that. And by rights I must say... I've bashed Carlo for not using him more than once but this is only the beginning of the season, he'll have lots of chances (I hope)!

I don't believe in that anyway... so don't think about it!


I agree... but I dare say Pirlo deserved a 9 for last night's performance! He covered much space and creatively, he was out of this world! I never expected a deep-lying no.10 could be so effective!! Simply outstanding...

True,..but he took the corner kicks not that good...I mean, it is a tiny little detail, but still, that's why it is 8, not 9. He had more then 2 corners, still he crossed allways to the first post. Those attempts the Sevilla defenders cleared with ease.

About Dida,...well, we did won, and he conceeded only one goal...

No, I don't think so, Yoann himself has said more then once that he is still learning and is working hard to play as much as he can. I'm sure that he doesn't expect a place by default in every game we play, if he really wanted that then he would have never come to Milan in the first place.

He is a good kid, and I'm sure that he doesn't have any attitude problems.

he was not on the final squad sheet!

For what it's worth, here are Gazzetta's ratings for the game:

Dida - 5
Oddo - 6.5
Nesta - 7
Kaladze - 7
Jankulovski - 7
Gattuso - 6
Emerson - 6
Pirlo - 8
Ambrosini - 6.5
Kaka - 6
Seedorf - 6
Inzaghi - 7.5
Ancelotti - 7.5

^^

I'd probably agree with those ratings.

“We are satisfied with the victory. Now we are the most successful club in the world with more silverware than any other, overtaking Boca Juniors,” said the patron.

Does anyone know what trophies this includes and what the total is compared to boca and juve are?

Only international trophies are included...

Here's a translation I've done of one of the articles in today's Gazzetta. It's a rough translation and not really edited much for style, but I think it conveys the original reasonably well. (For those who have access to the print editions, the article is on page 2).

When Having a Party Becomes Difficult

At the top of Europe and the world, the night wasn't one for a party. Milan won ints 17th trophy: only the Argentines of Boca Juniors have won as many. At Tokyo in December at the World Club Cup, it will be decided who is the better. It was Inzaghi, Jankulovski and Kaka who continued a history begun in 1963 at Wembley when the names were Jose Altafini, Gianni Rivera and Cesare Maldini. The eras interlace and overlap, like the emotions this night in Monte Carlo, where football is played, but where the thoughts were always of Antionio Puerta, who destiny took away last Tuesday. The night began with the players in tears, arm in arm, at the center of the pitch before referee Plautz whistled the start of the game.

FAIR PLAY (original in english)
The players run and fight, cards are also earned (Gattuso's was the first), but it's a climate of fair play that respects that which is felt inside. The minute of silence is a minute of real silence: no cheers, no applause. Only when it's over is there a cheer from the Seville supporters: 'We want you, Antonio'. And the pain which never quite leaves a person needs to be released if one doesn't want to suffocate. The Seville supporters area is festooned with banners: 'Puerta presente' is the largest of them. All the players have Puerta's name on their jerseys under their numbers. This was decided by the Seville players as well as the Milan players: together, united, in accord on homage to a boy who was already a champion and who everyone wanted to imagine already running down the left flank.

FRIENDSHIP
During the halftime break with Seville leading 1-0, three ultras from the Milan curva emerged with a banner. They spoke with the UEFA delegate for permission and then approached the Seville stands where they unrolled the banner with their own words of sympathy: 'Onore a Puerta' (honor to Puerta). Standing ovation from the entire stadium, with even UEFA president Michel Platini approving and watching the scene with hope: for once there are no incidents, no provocations. The Seville fans chanted 'Milan, Milan' along with Puerta's name. The grand scene in the Louis II Stadium included a girl in tears, consoled by her fiance: the football game could distract for 90 minutes, but life is another thing and it's good to never forget that.

EMOTIONS
After are the goals of the Milanisti, the celebrations, and the victory. All is governed by a sobriety: no excesses, no hysteria. And when Ancelotti recalled him to the bench, Clarence Seedorf took off his jersey and pointed to the name of Puerta on the back. This was his cup, the Supercup of Antonio. That it's the 17th trophy in Milan's trophy case, in the face of such emotion, becomes a secondary fact.

EDIT: Double post. Sorry about that! My connection is sluggish today.

Good post Tennie. Truly a day to remember for all the wrong reasons...

Thanks Tennie

I did see Gourcuff, he had the same training clothes that Ronaldo had. Maybe he got a minor injury before the game. But I did see him on the field after the game was finnished.

Overall, Milan invited Sevilla to attack from the very first minute, but Milan never lost it's grip !! As the game went on, Milan's class prevailed again (As expected ) and took grasp of the game to end it cooly 3-1.

Forza Milan !!

Tu Sei Tutta La Mia Vita !!!



Thanks for saying it for me



He is A Rossoneri after all ! Oh and I think it is fair to say that his CV today looks much better than Cechs and Buffons put together



What u laughing about ?



Campioni Campioni Campioni !



And u expect me to rate him

I don't think 'lauging' is quite the word. While Palop was saving penalties, Dida was.. making himself look like an idiot.

He managed to mess up twice on the goal. Firstly he can't judge a ball so he came out for it and got nowhere near, secondly, he went down to early and let the ball bounce in.

Oh stop ur whining!

This is the most decorated team in the history of this sport! Its about time u showed some R&B

You're just so blind to everything it's unreal.

Real Madrid are clearly the most decorated team, but because you don't like them I suppose their titles mean nothing.

Do u know me ?! Who said I don't like RM?!

RM are the most decorated in Spain and in Europe (EDIT: my bad, I meant to say international stage earlier .. But the euphoria is still in me ) .. But on an international level, AC Milan have more trophies than anyone in the game, 20 Trophies and counting !

Whatever ... Forza Milan

p.s. I'm not blind, I know what my team are capable of, and they just demonstrated it yesterday

His cv might be better but you are talking about the past:rolleyes: Dida was probably the best keeper in the world back in 2003/4 but is far too shaky nowadays. Yes he is still a great shot stopper but his judgement is awful for crosses etc. Last night seville's goal was his fault - a great keeper doesn't get beat like that! We are just lucky that we have such a strong team(plus Carlo has changed tactics for Europe which we needed ) and that Seville were'nt really in it.

To say that Dida is currently better that either Cech or Buffon is ridiculous.

I agree. It doesn't matter how trophies Dida won. Fact is that in the past two years he has been unstable. Yes, he can be brilliant but he's equally capable of making some ridicules mistakes that even a rookie won't do. I would prefer a much stable keeper in Milan.

BTW Cech is only 25 (Dida is almost 34). Of course his CV isn't as big but there is no question who's better.

Great minds think alike

Buffon's main honours (29 years old)

* Italian Cup: 1999
* Italian Super Cup: 1999, 2002, and 2003
* Italian Serie A: 2002, 2003 , 2005 and 2006 (last 2 revoked)
* UEFA Cup: 1999
* European Under-21 Football Championship: 1996
* UEFA Champions League runners up: 2003
* FIFA World Cup: 2006 (winner)
* Yashin Award: 2006
* European Footballer of the Year - Silver Ball: 2006
* UEFA Champions League Most Valuable Player: 2003
* UEFA Club Football Awards - Best Goalkeeper: 2003
* IFFHS World's best goalkeeper - Best Goalkeeper: 2003, 2004, 2006
* Oscar calcio - Best Goalkeeper: 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006
* Onze d'Or - Best Goalkeeper: 2003, 2006
* Bravo Award - Best young football (soccer) player in Europe: 1999

Cech's main honours (25 years old)

* IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper:2005
* Best European Goalkeeper:(2005, 2007)

Chelsea

* FA Premier League (2005, 2006)
* FA Cup (2007)
* Football League Cup (2005, 2007)
* Charity Shield (2005)

Dida's main honours (34 years old)

* Serie A: 2003-04
* FIFA World Youth Championship: 1993
* Copa do Brasil: 1996 (Cruzeiro), 2002 (Corinthians)
* Campeonato Brasileiro: 1999
* Copa Libertadores: 1997
* FIFA Club World Championship: 2000
* UEFA Champions League: 2002-03 (hero in shoutouts, although buffon made many saves as well), 2006-07 (did more bad than good)
* Coppa Italia: 2003
* European Super Cup: 2003, 2007(nearly cost us this game)
* Copa América: 1999
* FIFA Confederations Cup: 1997, 2005 (plays for brazil )
* Serie A Goalkeeper of the Year : 2004

in the end having a better CV or not doesnt make you better than sumone else. simic has a better CV than Terry. does that make him better ?

Buffon has won the world cup and 4 serie a titles compared to 1 scudetto for dida. the only thing dida has done besides buffon is the CL and buffon could have won it and been the hero had his juve teammates had done better.

oh and look at their ages, dida is 10 YEARS OLDER THAN CECH!!! where was dida at that age? oh he was bum on the streets. and buffon has already accomplished more.

^^ Just a look to personal honors is enough

ya buffon completely owns dida at personal honours.

anyways who cares if dida plays for milan, you dont have to love all the players for the team you support. i mean if van bommel played for us would you love him then?

Buffon >>>>>>>>>>>>>Casillas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chimenti>Whale poop > Dida

Anyways, back to the game, I have to say Inzaghi's blunt diving got on my nerves a little bit. Gila and him are having a little competition of their own I guess. They both need to stop. Milan don't need that kind of thing.

It's not a matter of how you love a certain player (I don't have a problem with him). It's just that a team like Milan needs a more consistent keeper IMO.

Nonsense .. Dida is #1

Yeah, that goal was his mistake ... But, even though he does have those one-offs, he is pretty steady at goal most of the time.

I mean, if we are to criticize Dida for letting in a stupid goal as that one, we might as well scream at Inzaghi when he is caught offside ... Why don't we ? Because a goal keepers mistake costs us a goal for each mistake ... And considering the way Milan have been playing in the past 4 years with Dida, Milan have done great IMO

In the end, Dida is one of my favorite players !! So, I don't mind if he concedes a goal like that, just as long as the team wins the game in the end ... Cuz on the nights that actually counts, Dida out performs himself every time

i'm with you here! i can honestly say Dida has been the only keeper that i've liked since i started following football.


FORZA DIDA

He's not even in the first 5. Again 'in the past two years he has been unstable. Yes, he can be brilliant but he's equally capable of making some ridicules mistakes that even a rookie won't do'.

It's not only last night it's the past 2 years. He's not what he used to be. You can ask any unbiased football fan (and you totally biased). I think Milan deserves a better keeper.

I get it you like him but it's pointless to go through with it coz I don't gonna change my view and I know you won't

I'v known u for two years now !!! and u still don't get it do u

hehe .. Anyways, whether I am biased or not. He is a Rossoneri ! Even with his performance last night, he will rise up again and help us win another trophy, and if he is at 100% maybe two (as we already have one in the trophy cabinet already )

I get that it almost impossible to make you change your opinion

Maybe if it doesn't involve Milan, I would be as lenient as can be on any issue. But u bring Milan into the discussion and I wont budge

What does "CV" mean?

CV = curriculum vitae. It's latin for 'resume'.

Thanks.

Inzaghi diving incident was pretty ugly, he really should have been carded for it. Its a shame he has that trait in his game.

As far as dida goes, I appreciate everything he's done for milan but I think its time he became 2nd choice, and an equal quality but 'stable' keeper is brought in to replace him. No denying it when dida is on song, he is the worlds best, but when he's not he's rookie like. Thats what seperates the best shot stoppers around.. quality saves but more importantly not conceding those easy goals.

Anyway I noticed R7 said 20 international trophies.. thought the article said 17?

From wikipedia:

European titles
UEFA Champions League (former European Cup)
Winners (7): 1962-63, 1968-69, 1988-89, 1989-90, 1993-94, 2002-03, 2006-07
Runners-up (4): 1957-58, 1992-93, 1994-95, 2004-05
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup
Winners (2): 1967-68, 1972-73
Runners-up (1): 1973-74
UEFA Super Cup
Winners (5): 1989, 1990, 1994, 2003, 2007
Runners-up (2): 1973, 1993
Mitropa Cup
Winners (1): 1981-82
Latin Cup (unofficial)
Winners (2): 1950-51, 1955-56
Runners-up (1): 1952-53

World-wide titles
FIFA Club World Cup (former Intercontinental Cup)
Winners (3): 1969, 1989, 1990
Runners-up (4): 1963, 1993, 1994, 2003

CL (7) + USC (5) + UCWC (2) + FCWC (3) = 17

So what are the mitropa cup and latin cup and are they included in the tally?

Also is that correct under the uefa super cup runner up years (1973, 1993)? Since we were UCWC in 1973 and CL runners-up in 1992-93.

It's correct because 1973 - super cup used to be between the CL winner and UCWC winner. 1992/1993 - we lost to Marseille 1:0 in the final but we played in both Super Cup and Intercontinental Cup cuz Marseille was disqualified.

Although I'm with you and think the Dida criticism is exaggerated, your logic with the Inzaghi comparisom is false.

Some remembers the Zaccheroni days? Milan started in the season with their new GK, Dida infront of Abbiati. He was doing great just till the CL match against Leeds Utd. when he made a stupid error that in the end would cost us points.

So, Dida was pretty all the time unstable, he never was the clear No.1 for all times. He had problems of holding the ball I remember, he allways made a save and pushed the ball away instead of catching it. Still, his performances in the years outshined Abbiati and many other keepers (that save against Nedved,.. ) and never was the only person to be blamed. I don`t remember any impertant match we've lost just because of Dida. Milan is a club that shows enormous gratitude to it's players and that shows the Dida example.

Someone mentioned, when we discussed the CV's, a Å imić-Chech CV comparisom. Again, false logic. This argument is irrelevant, just like the whole CV discussion. We did compare Dida, Chech and Buffon, that means keepers who play more then 80% of their official matches (if not incounted the bad injuries Buff and Chech recently had). Å imić on the other side barely makes 50%. A comparison between Dida's and Cech's CV can be made, even if it is IMO unnecessary; while the same with Chech's and Dario's CV can't be used as an argument.

All in all, my opinion is that we should start looking for a fresh keeper, not cause of the possibility that Dida looks shakey, more of the fact that we have now a injurie prone No. 1 keeper and two dinosaurs Kalac and Fiori as reserves. The Bundesliga is "the" place for talented keepers, I really cannot belive how many talents and potentials they have - Neuer, Adler, Weidenfeller, Enke, Jentsch, Rensing, Schäfer,..all of them could become NT keepers..

@ Fillipo Simone ... Sure Dida was outcast after several mistakes in the past. But again, he is only human, he is bound to make a mistake. I mean if Oliver Kahn makes a mistake, u don't expect Dida not too

Logic with the Inzaghi comparison ?! ... I meant to say ppl don't scream at Inzaghi when he (off side) commits an error, but rather criticize Dida for committing an error ... And gave the reason, because Dida's mistake would cost us a goal ... I meant to make people realize that Dida has had too much criticism, when Inzaghi and Dida both commit mistakes, but the former usually gets complimented because he scored a goal while the latter rarely gets appreciated even when he helps the team lift the CL

Hehe .. I think looking for a young goalkeeper to replace Dida is a far fetched idea, but that is MO. Many on the forum would agree with u on this point. But for me, experience counts more than anything and the club has been the reason why I believe experience is the key, because that is what they look for every time they are in the market for players

Really what player doesn't dive these days?

Pippo has been doing it for years and most of the time he does it pretty well, I've got to say he's a professional at it.

It irritates me more when I see Gila do it these days, since up to his first season with us he never used to dive.

Sheva didn't dive... He was such an honest player...

I think kaka' is a better example. He didn't even look for the penalty against bayern last season, he was heading straight to take the corner.

Sheva pretty much plays honestly, although the penalty he got in the world cup was a dive.