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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 15 2016, 11:30 PM) *
What irks me here is that people are complaining about two people, Fassone and Mirabelli, labelling them as interistas, when in reality they are not. Fassone was with Inter only for three years (2012-2015). He was previously with Napoli for two years (2010-2012) after his experience with Juve started in 2003. The moment we hired him the guy was jobless. How the hell does that make him an ex-interista???

Likewise, Mirabelli was hired from Inter only in 2014.

I think all the turmoil here is a result of Albertini and Costacurta's whining. They didn't get offered a position within the new management, so now they're butthurt and want to create unrest out of their discontent. So much for their love for the rossoneri colors...

Latest rumors were that Fassone will offer Maldini a managerial role (but he won't accept as he's stated several times in the past). Ambrosini is also being considered, and I read Massaro said he'd come for free if he was called.

Just chill and relax, guys. I am certain the new ownership knows what they're doing, otherwise they wouldn't have spent so much money on this project. Especially when you consider their financial backing.

Agreed. Last point in particular is worth noting. The new ownership is sinking close to 1B in Milan, and I read somewhere that they believe that the value of the club will climb to 3B. I know lots of people don't care about this stuff and perhaps believe in an ideal world where money does not matter in sports. That may have been true a century ago (I can still picture my grandmother lamenting the good ol' days of Pro Vercelli). Unfortunately, reality is quite different. FWIW, I believe that Milan's success in the last few decades was based on sound business decisions made by Berlu in the early days. Yes, there are intangibles that matter as well, and those went a long way to make Milan a success and (perhaps more important) have been a huge part of what attracted fans to to club. It would be a pity to lose that, but AFAIAC that already happened in the last few years (there is nothing attractive about the spectacle we have been subjected to). Rather than lamenting what is lost, we need to build new traditions, but that can only happen if we are successful.
Forza Milan!
May be worth noting what is happening with Inter right now, despite big money spent in the market. Two (somewhat contradictory) ways to look at it: (1) business-minded Chinese ownership does not guarantee success, and (2) having left the current Inter management (one way or another) does not necessarily reflect badly on anyone. I'd like to hope that what is happening may serve as a lesson to our new owners + management.
Jack Sparrow
I don't care about Fassone at all. I care that the positions being talked about are all ex-Inter personnel.

People who if they were successful in their previous roles wouldn't be looking for a new job. Milan even in our dull years have been streets ahead of Inter in every department except spending power. Our marketing was better, our scouting was better, even our transfers. Inter has Icardi? Anyone else? Jovetic is a flop, Rannochia is a flop, they couldn't get Romagnoli etc etc.

I know Fassone tried to get Juve's director who refused.


But Filippo's and my point I'm guessing is that the first step to do is to bring back that lost culture of the early 2000s decade. And for that, we need people who've lived through that era or at least had a part to bring it about. It's all well to say history is the dead past, but that's a short sighted move.

Carlo Ancelotti brought his learning and culture from the days of Sacchi. Guardiola from the days of Cryuff.

Our culture is rooted in Sacchi, the way Barca's is rooted in Cryuffist philosophy. Let's play to our strengths.

Bring back Maldini or Costacurta or Albertini. Bring back whoever, but empower them to execute steps to bring back that culture. Bringing back old legends as a people pleasing movie is useless. They'll tire of being a showpiece item and walk out bringing the roof down.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 15 2016, 11:35 AM) *
Yeah. But that's about it. Juventus, Napoli, Inter. What about his concrete achievements?

I don't speak Italian, but his Italian wiki suggests he was involved in the Juventus Stadium. Which is arguably the single biggest reason for their dominance being the way it is.

If there are no former Milan guys with the right experience, then putting one of them in a position to fail makes no sense to me.
han2503
From what I can understand, certain legends who have been offered positions turned them down because they were expecting bigger roles. I think it would be a mistake to simply appoint someone into a high position because they were once world class players and have legendary status at the club because of being players. You have to work your way up from somewhere, and just like it was a mistake to appoint Seedorf, Pippo and Brocchi as coaches simply because they were past players, this would be too.

Also, I don't get why you guys would already come down so harshly on people who have done nothing so far with us. At this point, anyone is better than Galliani and his underhanded/shady deals. These new people could be masterstrokes or they could be failures, we'll know in time, but already branding them as not good enough simply because they worked at Inter in the past imo is a very cheap argument.
Fillipo Simone
What troubles me is that you guys label our comments as "idealistic" and "simplistic". Not directly, but surely I can read between the lines.

Perhaps you guys don't understand the concept of being an Interista. For me it's the epitome of failure, the total opposite of what Milan represents (successful or not). It also makes me more suspicious to things or people linked with them: for every Pirlo there are plenty of Brocchi's, for every Seedorf plenty of Mancini's and for every Šimić a Silvestre now and then.

But I find it funny that at the same time my simplistic views (and direct questions) are being dismissed, other presumptions are being made that are as idealistic or simplistic as the one I supposedly made. Again, I'm not so happy with the fact that by now, 3 or 4 ex-Inter names are being supposedly linked or signed by Milan. Why? Because I don't think working at Inter is necessarily a very good reference. But it surely is a convenient fact and a very easy solution. I'm rather unimpressed with the likes of Fassone or Mirabelli, that's about it.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 16 2016, 09:27 PM) *
From what I can understand, certain legends who have been offered positions turned them down because they were expecting bigger roles. I think it would be a mistake to simply appoint someone into a high position because they were once world class players and have legendary status at the club because of being players. You have to work your way up from somewhere, and just like it was a mistake to appoint Seedorf, Pippo and Brocchi as coaches simply because they were past players, this would be too.

Also, I don't get why you guys would already come down so harshly on people who have done nothing so far with us. At this point, anyone is better than Galliani and his underhanded/shady deals. These new people could be masterstrokes or they could be failures, we'll know in time, but already branding them as not good enough simply because they worked at Inter in the past imo is a very cheap argument.

Han, saying "anyone is better then Galliani right now" is even cheaper wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 17 2016, 09:21 AM) *
Han, saying "anyone is better then Galliani right now" is even cheaper wink.gif

I disagree.

At least having a proper professional is already a high step up over Galliani's shady deals. He's run Milan's good name through the mud, working with banned individuals to complete transfers, making us the butt of jokes in the media by other club presidents.

Galliani is basically the bottom of the barrel. If the new people in charge at the very least act like true professionals I'm already happy about something which I wasn't just a few months ago

Also, I get your above point about being entrenched in the Inter way. But the guys we appointed can barely be classified as such. It's not like we're hiring a Zanetti for example instead of bringing in Paolo. Sure, these TWO people have a past at Inter, but they also have a past at Napoli, Juve, Southampton, etc. Everyone has a past, and judging these people based on that is simply rash.

All I'm saying is let's all just calm down for now, see what they have to offer and judge based on that, and not the fact that they worked for other clubs in the past, one of which was Inter
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 17 2016, 03:51 PM) *
I disagree.

At least having a proper professional is already a high step up over Galliani's shady deals. He's run Milan's good name through the mud, working with banned individuals to complete transfers, making us the butt of jokes in the media by other club presidents.

Galliani is basically the bottom of the barrel. If the new people in charge at the very least act like true professionals I'm already happy about something which I wasn't just a few months ago

Also, I get your above point about being entrenched in the Inter way. But the guys we appointed can barely be classified as such. It's not like we're hiring a Zanetti for example instead of bringing in Paolo. Sure, these TWO people have a past at Inter, but they also have a past at Napoli, Juve, Southampton, etc. Everyone has a past, and judging these people based on that is simply rash.

All I'm saying is let's all just calm down for now, see what they have to offer and judge based on that, and not the fact that they worked for other clubs in the past, one of which was Inter


Exactly. Fassone is as much interista as he is juventino or neapolitan.

Like I said, I think you guys are rushing with your complaints. If by the end our management will comprise 4-5 individuals directly connected to or hired from Inter, then OK, I would be pissed too. But so far nothing has happened to evoke such malcontents IMO.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 17 2016, 10:20 AM) *
What troubles me is that you guys label our comments as "idealistic" and "simplistic". Not directly, but surely I can read between the lines.

Perhaps you guys don't understand the concept of being an Interista. For me it's the epitome of failure, the total opposite of what Milan represents (successful or not). It also makes me more suspicious to things or people linked with them: for every Pirlo there are plenty of Brocchi's, for every Seedorf plenty of Mancini's and for every Šimić a Silvestre now and then.

But I find it funny that at the same time my simplistic views (and direct questions) are being dismissed, other presumptions are being made that are as idealistic or simplistic as the one I supposedly made. Again, I'm not so happy with the fact that by now, 3 or 4 ex-Inter names are being supposedly linked or signed by Milan. Why? Because I don't think working at Inter is necessarily a very good reference. But it surely is a convenient fact and a very easy solution. I'm rather unimpressed with the likes of Fassone or Mirabelli, that's about it.

I grew up in Milano, so I understand Interista quite well. And AFAIAC, Fassone or Mirabelli are as much of an Interista as Pirlo and Seedorf, and there is no reason to assume they will turn out to be a Broccki or a Simic. Also, while I respect people like Demetrio for what they did for us as players, that does not mean they will be great business leaders. And that's what we need right now. We fix our finances, then maybe we can attract an Ancellotti or a Guardiola. We do not fix our finances, then all we can do is dream.

So I will repeat myself, no way of knowing that our new owners and their management will bring success (did not happen at Inter). But there is no reason to assume they will fail, as there is no reason to assume that they are making decisions just because they are more convenient. However, AFAIAC their focus is in the right place.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 17 2016, 10:21 AM) *
Han, saying "anyone is better then Galliani right now" is even cheaper wink.gif

A team of professionals is better than a one-man operation, especially when the man in question has gone senile, and his solution to problems is to squander massive amount of money on agent fees and to through laughable salaries at mediocre players (that same money could have gotten us some quality players). Anyone pay attention to what happened at the last stockholder meeting?

While I agree that "anyone is better than Galliani" right now, that's not the point I am making (and I don't believe that's what others are really saying either). What bothers me is that I believe there is a rush to judgement based on questionable reasoning and no evidence. Me, I would rather see what actually happens before passing judgment.
d'Arc.LP
In the next days (or weeks) there is a meeting scheduled between Fassone and Maldini about a role in the club.
[GdS]
William405
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 18 2016, 01:32 PM) *
In the next days (or weeks) there is a meeting scheduled between Fassone and Maldini about a role in the club.
[GdS]


Please Maldini, come back.
X-Offender
He won't.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 18 2016, 12:52 AM) *
A team of professionals is better than a one-man operation, especially when the man in question has gone senile, and his solution to problems is to squander massive amount of money on agent fees and to through laughable salaries at mediocre players (that same money could have gotten us some quality players). Anyone pay attention to what happened at the last stockholder meeting?


It's interesting you bring that up, because I saw the latest salary charts and we're doing really well. Our salary expenses are down to 80 MM a year, with Bacca the highest paid at 3.5 MM. Of course there are teams doing even better like Sassuolo etc. but there is some improvement. I'm sure that had a role to play in the Chinese buying us out.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 18 2016, 12:13 AM) *
Exactly. Fassone is as much interista as he is juventino or neapolitan.

Like I said, I think you guys are rushing with your complaints. If by the end our management will comprise 4-5 individuals directly connected to or hired from Inter, then OK, I would be pissed too. But so far nothing has happened to evoke such malcontents IMO.


So here's what's almost certain at the moment:

CEO: Marco Fassone (previous job at Inter)
Director of Sport: Masimilliano Mirabelli (Previous job at Inter)
Head of Scouting: Antonio D'Ottavio (currently at Inter)


Ok, now first of all:

1. I have to assume that in all of European football the best people to come and do this job for us are these currently mentioned people. So as a recruiter I'd ask what is it in their last job they have achieved that makes them really good targets for hire?

2. With 3 main positions held by the ex-Inter folk - what roles are now remaining for anyone else to take up?

I'm sorry but it looks like Fassone has just done the lazy thing and called up his old pals, given them all promotions and asked them to join. Not really any different from the accusations we threw at Galliani calling up his old friends for favours. And from 10 years in corporate world, I can tell you these sort of moves tend to explode more often than not.

I don't like it already, I don't see credentials in anyone except Fassone to convince me (Fassone has a heavy marketing background which makes a lot of sense to me). The remaining two I find it hard to believe they were the best that European football had to offer that we were able to hire.
Fillipo Simone
Exactly what bothers me if it ends up to be our team.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 19 2016, 12:12 PM) *
So here's what's almost certain at the moment:

CEO: Marco Fassone (previous job at Inter)
Director of Sport: Masimilliano Mirabelli (Previous job at Inter)
Head of Scouting: Antonio D'Ottavio (currently at Inter)


Ok, now first of all:

1. I have to assume that in all of European football the best people to come and do this job for us are these currently mentioned people. So as a recruiter I'd ask what is it in their last job they have achieved that makes them really good targets for hire?

2. With 3 main positions held by the ex-Inter folk - what roles are now remaining for anyone else to take up?

I'm sorry but it looks like Fassone has just done the lazy thing and called up his old pals, given them all promotions and asked them to join. Not really any different from the accusations we threw at Galliani calling up his old friends for favours. And from 10 years in corporate world, I can tell you these sort of moves tend to explode more often than not.

I don't like it already, I don't see credentials in anyone except Fassone to convince me (Fassone has a heavy marketing background which makes a lot of sense to me). The remaining two I find it hard to believe they were the best that European football had to offer that we were able to hire.

Again, rushing to judgment with very, very little data. Yes, Fassone worked at Inter for a short while, but also worked for other teams (same with the others). And hiring people you know is what is quite normal in the business world (I have done it myself quite a number of times).
Fillipo Simone
No one is judging anything yet. We just comment how things look, exactly like you wink.gif

You seem to miss out on the real issue here. And that is the three names linked with Milan (Fassone already confirmed) haven't done anything special so far. I don't get why it's so hard to understand our skepticism and what's so powerful to make you so hopeful?
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 19 2016, 07:57 AM) *
It's interesting you bring that up, because I saw the latest salary charts and we're doing really well. Our salary expenses are down to 80 MM a year, with Bacca the highest paid at 3.5 MM. Of course there are teams doing even better like Sassuolo etc. but there is some improvement. I'm sure that had a role to play in the Chinese buying us out.

First of all, player salaries is just one issue. Suggest you look back at the issues raised at the last stockholders meeting (link). For example, at the time we had 172 employees classified as "tesserati" (64 of which players), compared to 95 for Juve (51 players) and 53 for Napoli (27 players). We also had 145 players classified as "non tesserati" (and this number has gone up in recent years). What are all these people doing? On top of this, we are paying millions on agent fees. Bottom line, not a well managed club.

But even if you look at player salaries, yes we have reduced our total spend, but pay attention where the money is going. Reality is we are over-paying a bunch of mediocre players. Results on the field are what they are, and as an added bonus we find it extremely hard to get rid of players (why would they leave, who in their right mind would give them that kind of money?). Bottom line, we are over-paying players on a massive scale.

Edit: Speaking about Sassuolo, it is worth remembering that (1) their squad is good enough to play in EL (ours is not), (2) we lost 3 of the last 4 times we played them (only victory in Coppa Italia). And they are paying less for their players ...
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 19 2016, 02:59 PM) *
No one is judging anything yet. We just comment how things look, exactly like you wink.gif

You seem to miss out on the real issue here. And that is the three names linked with Milan (Fassone already confirmed) haven't done anything special so far. I don't get why it's so hard to understand our skepticism and what's so powerful to make you so hopeful?

We are just going around in circles. I will repeat myself one last time, I will wait to see how this management team performs before judging it.
Jack Sparrow
And the point we're raising is this is management. If a player underperforms, the management sells him off. If the management underperforms who gets rid of them? How do we know it's not another Galliani and friends situation?

With City or PSG, we have a member of the ownership board as chairman taking the final decisions. I guess it will be that way here as well.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 19 2016, 05:55 PM) *
And the point we're raising is this is management. If a player underperforms, the management sells him off. If the management underperforms who gets rid of them?


Easy, the ownership. Berlusconi stopped giving a crap about this club ten years ago, hence Gallaini's had total hegemony over all the important decisions. All he's done in these past ten years is mis-manage the club to his own benefits. He is by far the main culprit of the situation we find ourselves in nowadays.

But the new ownership is investing lots of money into this project, and they demand a satisfactory return. And that's were Fassone comes in. He'll be watched 24/7, no decisions will be made without accordance with the Chinese, and if things won't work, he'll be fired. He has no influence over anyone like Galliani does over Silvio and the rest. He's just an employee who if doesn't perform will be fired.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 19 2016, 06:55 PM) *
And the point we're raising is this is management. If a player underperforms, the management sells him off. If the management underperforms who gets rid of them? How do we know it's not another Galliani and friends situation?

With City or PSG, we have a member of the ownership board as chairman taking the final decisions. I guess it will be that way here as well.

Some time ago I read an interesting book that tried to explain Berlu's success in politics (well, past success). One of the points it made was that Berlu brought the "signoria" from Renaissance times back into Italian politics. AFAIAC, Milan right now operates more like a "signoria" that a legitimate business, which is why Galliani is unlikely to ever get sacked while Berlu is in charge. Hopefully this will change, as in the business world management gets replaced if its performance is inadequate. Hopefully this will not be needed (management changes are always painful), but ...
Fillipo Simone
Honestly, I don't think it was Berlusconi who brought the signoria back. He might have bought them off, but the signoria is a ever-present Italian element.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 20 2016, 10:17 AM) *
Honestly, I don't think it was Berlusconi who brought the signoria back. He might have bought them off, but the signoria is a ever-present Italian element.

Good point, that's how much of Italy operates
han2503
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but we've reached an agreement with Diesel and they will be our new style partner

Have to say, going from D&G to Diesel is a perfect way to show how much we've fallen. That being said, Diesel is the more lucrative brand that has the bigger net worth. I can only assume that this will benefit us financially more than the D&G deal did

@DIESEL When two Italian icons meet. Diesel is now the style partner of AC Milan football club. #WeAreACMilan

http://www.diesel.com/ac/milan
Jack Sparrow
It's been a good start. And I like their tagline - Be brave. It's all we did yesterday. I'm getting a Diesel Jacket for sure. And maybe a pair of jeans. Meh..the second kidney in the human body is over-rated. Am sure I'll get a good price for it in the market. tongue.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 1 2016, 05:54 PM) *
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but we've reached an agreement with Diesel and they will be our new style partner

Have to say, going from D&G to Diesel is a perfect way to show how much we've fallen. That being said, Diesel is the more lucrative brand that has the bigger net worth. I can only assume that this will benefit us financially more than the D&G deal did


Dude we are made in China now, having Diesel as your partner isnt that bad, they could have gone with
中国石油工程建设公司 (CPECC) and those guys pay more laugh.gif
William405
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 4 2016, 12:03 AM) *
Dude we are made in China now, having Diesel as your partner isnt that bad, they could have gone with
中国石油工程建设公司 (CPECC) and those guys pay more laugh.gif


Good point. laugh.gif
d'Arc.LP
Han Li (director of Sino Europe): "Why we decided to buy Milan? Milan is one of the biggest clubs in the world, with full of glory and success. Milan fans are located in every corner of the planet, especially in China. The first football matches broadcasted in China in the late 80's, were those of the Serie A. And Milan was the club that excited the spectators. We have several generations who have grown up with Milan. I am grateful to Mr. Berlusconi for having entrusted us the task to bring Milan to the top."

Han Li: "The plan to revive Milan? We will begin to form a solid management, then we will do our best in this winter market and in summer. Meanwhile, we will focus on business development around the world, especially in China. We will look to expand our international influence in various fields, through our contacts and strategic partners. At the same time, we will build a bridge between the club and the Chinese market, by integrating global strategic resources."

Han Li: "If we have collected all the necessary funds? Investors have been confirmed. Everything is perfectly on track. The funds are coming in as expected. The names of the investors will be officially known at closing, according to agreements."

Han Li: "Li Yonghong little known? China is too big and is hard to know all the investors in the various fields. And Mr. Li has always maintained a low profile."

Han Li: "What is based on the purchase of Milan? The deal is based on the passion and love we have for the club. We want the club to belong to all the fans, and this is a central aspect of the transaction. After the closing we will do everything to improve the club. It is premature to consider a stock market listing. Our primary purpose is to put the team on the right track. Among the investors there are Haixia Capital, Sino-Europe Sports and some big Chinese groups and institutions. Our task is only to be shareholders, not with respect to the management. We have appointed Marco Fassone who will be a CEO and general director of Milan after the closing. He worked for four big clubs in Italy, he is a great professional, experienced and reliable. I think he will lead Milan to success. In addition, we aim to bring to the club the best and most qualified people. We are working closely with him to ensure forming the strongest possible team of managers."

Han Li: "How important is keeping the Italian tradition in the club? It is very important. We have a lot of respect for the history and culture of Milan and Italy. We believe that we can not succeed if we ignore the culture and local traditions. Milan have a strong tradition behind, and it cannot be replaced. The team was a symbol of passion, glory and success. We believe that Fassone is the right choice, and that he will be able to increase the glory of Milan."

Han Li: "A legend in the club? I am a Milan fan since I was a kid. I also know how milanista deeply love this club and the team. Of course, the club's doors are open for all the legends who are willing to cooperate with us to bring the club to the top."

Han Li: "The market? We will put strong players in the positions that need to be reinforced. But the final decision will be to the coach who has our trust. We will support his decisions. We hope to offer to the fans the best possible experience in the match-days. We will listen carefully to the fans and we'll talk with the managers to decide whether to renew San Siro, or build a new stadium. As a top club, we will make every possible effort to give both players and fans the best possible experience at the stadium."

Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 1 2016, 04:54 PM) *
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but we've reached an agreement with Diesel and they will be our new style partner

Have to say, going from D&G to Diesel is a perfect way to show how much we've fallen. That being said, Diesel is the more lucrative brand that has the bigger net worth. I can only assume that this will benefit us financially more than the D&G deal did

@DIESEL When two Italian icons meet. Diesel is now the style partner of AC Milan football club. #WeAreACMilan

http://www.diesel.com/ac/milan

Sad but true.
d'Arc.LP
GdS: Fassone already met Maldini 4 times. Han Li was present in one of them. They offered the role of techincal director to Maldini. The former captain is interested, but the problem is his request for more freedom of action in the technical field. Maldini has asked to respond only to the Chinese owners, and not to Fassone or Mirabelli. The parties are also in distance from the economic point of view. Maldini has still few more days to decide. The negotiations so far seems difficult, but everything is still open.

#Sky confirms that Fassone has made an official offer to Maldini to return at the club. He is waiting for Maldini's response.

Maldini could decline the offer, as he wants a role that is more important than Milan's technical director.
#MN

Corriere dello Sport: Maldini as general director at Milan. 100M euro are ready for yhe january transfer window.

#TMW: Shevchenko has suggested Milan the 19 year old striker of Dnipro, Denys Balanyuk. In Ukraine he is considered as "the new Shevchenko". Milan have already scouted him and his situation will soon be evaluated from the new sporting director, Mirabelli.

ESPN: FABREGAS AT MILAN? The spanish could transfer at Milan with 10M euro + Mattia De Sciglio.
William405
Thank you for the information d'Arc. smile.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Oct 4 2016, 05:59 PM) *
ESPN: FABREGAS AT MILAN? The spanish could transfer at Milan with 10M euro + Mattia De Sciglio.


DO IT!

Anyway, those are very reassuring words from Han Li. It seems very obvious to me that these guys know what they're doing, and that they have the financial muscle that we've so desperately lacked in these last five years.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 4 2016, 09:11 PM) *
Thank you for the information d'Arc. smile.gif


You are welcome William smile.gif
d'Arc.LP
GdS: The offer of Milan to Maldini is the role of a techincal director, that would allow him to move in his territory, between the field and the market (with Mirabelli). But Maldini wants autonomy in his decisions. A role like Galliani and Leonardo (in PSG). In other words a strong figure that would have direct relations with the Chinese owners. Soon there will be another meeting with Fassone, where Maldini could give his answer. In case Maldini says 'No' the alternative remains Ambrosini, and perhaps Filippo Galli. Meanwhile Fassone will leave for China on mid-October to meet Li Yonghong.

According to CorSera, next week Fassone will fly to China for a series of meetings with the sponsors. He will return to Milan with 7-8 investors who will be presented to Silvio Berlusconi. And the names could also be revealed to the public.

Maldini for GdS: "I want to start off by saying that I respect Fassone a lot, who has a delicate task.. We met four times in one month. He told me I am their first and only choice and explained to me why."


Maldini: "If in the end I return? You should ask them. But it's possible, only with defined roles and by sharing the project. As was the case in the great Milan of Berlusconi. I'm not the one that should give an answer to them, but they should give me. I realize that I can seem like a complicated man, but this character and my approach to sport and life have led me to be who I am and who I was in the field. And then I am obliged to be so: THIS IS MILAN. IT IS NO JOKE."

Maldini: "It's not true that I want to bypass Fassone's role. Fassone is absolutely credible. With me he was very kind, he said really nice things. Economic reasons? Not true. We never talked about money. How we can quantify it before they tell me first what will be my role? In the four meetings we never passed the first hurdle."

Maldini: "I need to hear from them what they want from me. The work would be complicated but fascinating. I would leave the quiet life of these past years to get back in the game, so I have to know everything from the owners."

Maldini: "I asked to know the owners and to know directly from them what they expect from me. I want them to share their project with me. I just know that with me there will be Fassone and Mirabelli. I was told that the goal is to bring Milan among the top five clubs in the world. But that means working 24 hours a day. I am willing to do it, but I must know well how things are."

Maldini: "If there is a deadline for the answer? No, but in the coming days we will define everything in one way or another. I'm in no hurry. I would only like to know from them what they intend to do for the good of Milan. Then I'll put myself, the credibility, the attachment to the colors, the time, the sharing of a project and the work for this purpose."

Maldini: "If I put conditions? I don't know if I can say 'conditions', but they were looking for me and then it's right that I have asked for some things. There are two obstacles: the lack of a direct responsibility in the technical area and the lack of clarity for the role. Me as the technical director? Yes, but what does it mean? They have proposed a structure with Fassone as CEO, Mirabelli as the sporting director and me as the technical director. But the point is: what will I do? If me and Mirabelli manage the sporting part, what if we have a difference in views, then who decides? I can't have a role with someone else where it's 50-50."

Maldini: "The problems? I can't assume certain responsibilities without identifying the owners. I would like to know the owners, share the project, talk about strategies and listen to their objectives and guidelines. Who else I have met besides Fassone? David (Han Li), the vice-president of the fund, he is the only one that speaks English. But it was only a ten-minute chat. He told me he strongly wants me at Milan. We didn't go further."

Maldini: "My life and story is the basis for their decision. Everything I've done for Milan has an important weight. However, just of respect for my story, if I accept to enter in Milan I will do it only by following my ideals. I deeply love this club and I can help just by listening to my heart and my head. For the good of Milan I have to be myself."

Maldini: "And if in the end I have to be part of the club, I wish that the contacts with the owners, of course shared with Fassone are continuous and constructive. If you have to return to the top, it must be done together, with a shared project. It is also said that my negative response has already arrived: At the moment, I don't agree with the role proposed. I ask for respect, a respect that I deserve."

Maldini: "There has been talk of my inexperience. I would say that I have experience on a technical level. And its important the fact that I spent my life on the field with the Milan shirt, that I consider my first and unique skin, not my second skin. I would like to make one thing clear, without generating any kind of misunderstanding: any decision I had to take will be only and exclusively for the good of Milan.

Maldini: "It was said that I have high economic demands: I have not made any such request. I simply pointed that if I were to be entrusted with the technical area, it would be fair that I can make decisions autonomously. And this does not mean bypassing the role of Fassone."

Maldini: "If I put my heart and passion, because I know how I am, I would work 24 hours a day and 365 days a year for this cause. I want to work for a really serious project. I'm ready to change my life. I didn't look for Milan, but they looked for me. So I think that I have to talk to the new owners before making a final decision. It's a matter of principle and justice."

Maldini: "I see that my name is put a lot of time in false news or at least not verified. It's true that I met Fassone and Mirabelli in my house. I was told that the goal is to bring Milan, in five years, among top clubs in the world. So, in this case, my story as a man and a Milan player requires me to fully understand the ideas of the new owners. I need to hear it directly from them for a reason of consistency."




Chinese investments in European football clubs. #GdS
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Aubameyang: "Milan? I was always sent on loan, it was tough. Galliani told me during the last CL final: "I know you're not going to come back here soon, but if one day you'd like to, you'll be welcome". Then I answered him that I would do it with pleasure."

Milan and Juventus are interested in Benfica's left back Alex Grimaldo. #ABola

Albertini: "My name has been written so many times but I haven't had any contact. The tweet? Nothing against Mirabelli. I reiterated that I am part of Milan with heart. If I want to return to Milan? A director talks about things that happen and not about speculations. I had no contacts. With my tweet I did not say no or yes. It's been a long time since August 5 and I don't know the plans of Milan."

Jack Sparrow
Yeah. This is what I was afraid of.

TL;DR Maldini says,"Fassone is the CEO. Cool. But Mirabelli is Director of Sport. And I'm supposed to be Technical Director. What's the difference between the two?"

In other words, he has no intention of being a poster child for the fans while real business gets handled elsewhere.

Fassone went ahead and hired the Inter scout, so clearly he's made his mind up - and then he started looking around for a Milan guy to fill in a titular role?

In fact I'm confused myself - what's the difference between the two roles? And what sort of autonomy can Maldini have if he has to report to Mirabelli and Fassone?

I'm not even going to get into the question of IF Maldini is cut out to be technical director. Does he have the experience? No. Having played at only one club (albeit at a top top level) does he have the network with agents, scouts etc? No. Can he build all these up from scratch? Sure. But it will be tough and we don't know if he can succeed.
William405
Yeah, good point Jack.

I think Maldini is demanding the minimum here which is to know what his job will be and how will it be organized. I think it will do us good to bring back the legends such Maldini, but we the tricky part is the role that they will be assigned to!
Forza Milan!
As much as I would like to see Milan legends like Maldini in prominent roles with our new management, these roles need to make sense. Not sure that asking for complete autonomy in a role for which he has zero experience is a reasonable request.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 5 2016, 09:10 AM) *
I'm not even going to get into the question of IF Maldini is cut out to be technical director. Does he have the experience? No. Having played at only one club (albeit at a top top level) does he have the network with agents, scouts etc? No. Can he build all these up from scratch? Sure. But it will be tough and we don't know if he can succeed.

This is why I don't mind it. I'd rather have Inter guys that know what they're doing, rather than bringing in a Milan guy because he's a Milan guy. That's how business fails.
d'Arc.LP
Prandelli wants Montolivo at Valencia at January.
#TMW

Donadoni: "I've seen Maldini's demands for a Milan return and I think it's legitimate to know what exactly is he going to do. Being a former captain is important but there is also the reliability of the person. Paolo has all these characteristics."

Massimo Mirabelli in Milan... Official also in China.

Pescara's president: "Lapadula? He should play more before judging. However, if Milan sign another striker in January we are ready to bring him back."

han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2016, 07:17 PM) *
DO IT!

Anyway, those are very reassuring words from Han Li. It seems very obvious to me that these guys know what they're doing, and that they have the financial muscle that we've so desperately lacked in these last five years.

Really?

I think we could still get Fabregas easily off them without sacrificing DS in the process.

I'd really like to see us keep him, Calabria, Romagnoli and Donna as an intact foursome. 3 players coming out of our very own youth system and one brought in young and was able to grow with them as well. We could have a great defensive backline in about 2 to 3 years if these 4 continue improving at the rate they're currently doing.

Fabregas is basically surplus at Chelsea, Conte doesn't view him as an integral part of the team so we should pounce on that. We should be looking at other premier league sides as well who have players that are sitting on the bench and getting antsy. Maybe float a couple of loan + obligation deals and save the cash to buy a top class CB.

We should be looking a the situation of some of the Real players as well. Isco and Kovacic could be available.

These are the types of deals that we'll have to try and make for now. It's going to be difficult to attract top players straight away, even if we do have cash available. And having said this, I still don't expect us to have transfer windows ala PSG or City. I don't think we have that kind of financial muscle behind us, at least atm I'm not convinced we do

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Oct 5 2016, 07:17 PM) *
Prandelli wants Montolivo at Valencia at January.
#TMW

Now this is what I'd respond with; DO IT!! with.

If we can get actual cash for him we'd be golden
X-Offender
Or we could make Maldini vice-president like Zanetti is for Inter...
d'Arc.LP
CorSera: Paolo Maldini will not return to Milan. The interviews given by former captain of Milan had the function to make it clear to Fassone his thinking, and to close the possibilities of returning to Milan. So for the Chinese the reflection of Maldini has ended. Maldini (who had in his hands a written offer) knows the conditions, and the Chinese did not accept his choice to talk to the newspapers. They are also irritated. Maldini asked for full autonomy in his role and to interface directly with the Chinese owners and to not share anything with Mirabelli. In practice, it would be almost like the role of Fassone. Milan would continue to have a split (like it happened with Barbara & Galliani). The salary would be another problem for the parties. Maldini would have demanded a salary like the one of Galliani.

The role of the technical director with these competences was designed specifically for Maldini. If Maldini doesn't accept the offer, Sino-Europe will not afford the same role for any other former player. The idea of including in the club Ambrosini, Albertini or Baresi is not waned. But the offer would be a role like the one of Nedved at Juve: a director but not with the same power as Marotta and Paratici. #GdS

GdS: MaldiNo!
The ex-captain irritates the Chinese. No agreement with Milan.
And now Fassone is thinking about another legend but with a minor role.

What Sino Europe offered to Maldini according to GdS:
1. To make decisions in sporting area with Fassone and Mirabelli.
2. Define the guidelines for the youth sector.
3. Take part in some of the negotiations with Fassone's request.
4. Represent Milan in institutions like UEFA and ECA.
5. Manage the relations between the club and the team.
6. Be a reference of the team, present in the training.
7. Travel with the team in away games.
8. Become an ambassador of the club.
9. Manage the insertion of the new players who arrive.
10. Supervise the compliance with the regulation.

Maldini will likely not be part of Milan according to GdS.
The problems are:
1. Sino Europe did not like the choice of Maldini to talk about his situation, as if between the parties there's an agreement for silence.
2. Maldini asked to know the investors despite meeting Han Li, who felt a bit snubbed.
3. The offer and demand, in economic point of view.

CorSport: Milan, Maldi...No!
Former Milan captain is determined to reject the offer, he wants a commanding role.
X-Offender
Come on Paolo, why so greedy? sad.gif
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 5 2016, 09:30 PM) *
Really?

I think we could still get Fabregas easily off them without sacrificing DS in the process.

I'd really like to see us keep him, Calabria, Romagnoli and Donna as an intact foursome. 3 players coming out of our very own youth system and one brought in young and was able to grow with them as well. We could have a great defensive backline in about 2 to 3 years if these 4 continue improving at the rate they're currently doing.

Fabregas is basically surplus at Chelsea, Conte doesn't view him as an integral part of the team so we should pounce on that. We should be looking at other premier league sides as well who have players that are sitting on the bench and getting antsy. Maybe float a couple of loan + obligation deals and save the cash to buy a top class CB.

We should be looking a the situation of some of the Real players as well. Isco and Kovacic could be available.

These are the types of deals that we'll have to try and make for now. It's going to be difficult to attract top players straight away, even if we do have cash available. And having said this, I still don't expect us to have transfer windows ala PSG or City. I don't think we have that kind of financial muscle behind us, at least atm I'm not convinced we do


Now this is what I'd respond with; DO IT!! with.

If we can get actual cash for him we'd be golden

Not convinced about Fabregas, feels like he no longer plays at the same level as the past. Do we really want another has-been? Hoping this approach will end the moment Galliani is fone.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 6 2016, 08:16 AM) *
Come on Paolo, why so greedy? sad.gif

Not impressed by Paolo, can't blame the new owners from backing out.
William405
Really, greedy? I don't think it is an appropriate word at all. Oh well.
d'Arc.LP
According Il Giornale there is a big discrepancy in Maldini offer for the job. The new owners are offering 600 thousand euro, Maldini request is €3m.
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