Borriello
Cardacio
Flamini
Ronaldinho
Senderos
Shevchenko
Viudez
Zambrotta


mine is senderos really dont like him saw him make to many blunders at arsenal dont see how he can help our team in any way

for me we dint make any bad transfers, it's more a matter of us making the wrong transfers. like the purchase of a WC CB or a natural rb to backup zambro was way more important than bringing back sheva.

Spot on. The players we brought in were all good, but we failed to reinforce to "broken" areas

sheva. He just wasn't needed in my opinion. There were much better options available but its silvio so what can you do. Senderos cannot be judged yet because serie A and EPL are two different leagues with totally different defending styles and mentalities. WE'll see in time if he was a mistake or not.

I don't even see anything wrong with any of the transfers. Some were certainly better than others... with numerous top ranking signings... There was one more defender I would have wanted instead of Sheva, but I'm fine with Sheva. He's on loan (according to Lega-Calcio official website). Chelsea will probably loan him to us and we'll pay part of his wage... and keep him on loan until his contract with them expires (like Crespo).

Senderos will be capable in adapting to the slower pace of the Serie A. I think he's the appropriate player. He has height and aerial power. He'll certainly be better than Kaladze (that is if Kaladze does not improve... I always defend the guy, but at this point he's in poor form).

Anyways, I view this transfer season as close to perfect. I would have wanted another defender (Thiago Silva instead of Shevchenko) but I'm fine with what we have. We at least fixed any shortage of attack options. I remember dreading the fact we lacked attacking options the previous season.

Cedric Seedorf hands down. He won't even play Coppa Italia.

Actually you're right... I didn't remember that one transfer... you know it is to keep Clarence happy... if he's pissed more than usual it'll cause problems...

Or since we can't break 'salary cap'. So the rest of Clarence's salary goes into little brother's bank account.

He won't even play friendlies!!

For what it's worth, he won't even play. I'd be really surprised if it ever came to Coppa matches and Friendlies.

What's about the Uruguayans we bought?! Never heard about them before

^^

Oh they're for when we sell Kaka and Pirlo next season. 110MM for Kaka (Man City/Chelsea) and 45MM for Pirlo (Barca). Smart market move.

Just hope they won't be the cause of our next scandal!!!

Apart from Seedorf. Senderos, don't see how he can make our defence any better, he's on a par with the defensive capabilities of Pascal Cygan. So error prone it's unreal, how he's found his way to Milan I don't know.

We needed a CB, in our desperation we turned to someone who we never understood. We already have an error prone Kaladze, we dont need another error prone DF

Shevchenko

I don't think we're selling either. I don't neither of them want to leave either.

I think the two Uruguayos are there for depth and I don't think they are bad transfer signings at all. I think they are highly appropriate ones. I think Viudez will play some with the primavera team though.

i think people are underestimating Senderos. He can be effective because the pace of the Serie A is slower.

Right now I have to say Shevchenko... with Senderos a close 2nd. Hope they prove me wrong though. Now if Borriello returns to the form he had for Milan.. well then he'll win.

Pace has no bearing on this. He is error prone full stop

I think it has plenty to do with this. He'll fit better in Milan I think. "He is error prone full stop" sounds pretty declarative to me. I don't agree with it.

I still don't see what Milan see in Senderos - there was a gushy article in Gazzetta (print edition) a couple of days ago about him that left me scratching my head in disbelief. Having seen him play both for Arsenal and for the Swiss NT, I'm just not that impressed. I don't think his positioning is very good and as whoarethepatriots points out, he's error prone. Pace isn't an issue with me.

At this point, I'd prefer to see them playing Darmian.

You know, we shall see on Senderos. If it doesn't work, he'll go back. If it does, we will sign him permanently. I would have preferred Radoslav Kovac for 5 mil... but you can't always get what you want. I personally have confidence that Senderos simply need a change of atmosphere. And there is more experience in our backline...

Senderos.

Wenger usually likes the youngsters in his team. The fact that he's got rid of Senderos and bought in Silvestre speaks volumes.

Tell me about it. It also makes me laugh that some of the people righting off Shevchenko already are saying give Senderos a chance.

This guy is so error prone. I thought the Serie A had the best defenders in the world and some are saying a failed EPL one might do well in this, come on guys.

I'm tempted to say that it's perhaps a little early to determine who the worst transfer will be. Don't feel as if I have enough information at my disposal to make a fair judgment.

I honestly believe if Senderos has a change of atmosphere he will do better. He is not very error prone as much as you want to think. And I think he's a step up from Kaladze.

It's not as much as I want to think, I do catch Arsenal games quite a bit living in England!

I've seen evidence of Senderos's unreliability. I mean he was useless against Liverpool in the Champions League last season how many times did he let the player go and bang a goal. Pretty much cost them a place with his defending that night.

I mean he's an average player, if that's what we want at Milan then it's a great piece of business but I feel there should be a bit more aspiration than Senderos. At least he's on a loan anyway.

If this current $heva was a defender he would have been Senderos

Worst signings in order of suckiness

1) Antonini ( not a bad player by any means but lolzzz this is the much-hoped for Serginho replacement?? )
2) $heva (traitor, no pace, lost shot selection, questionable aim, old, threat to Pato's gorwth)

The rest are GREAT (Flamini, R80) & GOOD (Zambrotta, Borriello) and we have two wild cards (Viudez and Cardaccio)

As Altafini said some presidents try to fool the fans and I firmly agree with him here

Antonini? Antonini is a good squad player. He does not suck by any means. Why do you criticize the guy? He's performed well when called on.

I've defended Antonini many times and I will do it again here.

Sheva will certainly gain back some shot selection and his aim. He's no threat to Pato.

Antonini is indeed a decent enough squad player - on a Brocchi level. I doubt he'll ever start but he's not likely to do anything particularly stupid when he IS fielded.

I'm uncertain as to how much playing time Shevchenko will actually get. I would imagine that a fair bit of it will depend on who actually picks the starting lineups (the inference being that I think Silvio might pressure Ancelotti to start Sheva).

Not really, more of a Maldini was great now he isn't anywhere near that standard. Whereas Senderos has nothing to really show for his career compared too

• 5 Ukranian League Titles
• 3 Ukranian Cups
• 1 Serie A
• 1 Coppa Italia
• 1 UEFA Champions League
• 1 FA Cup
• 1 Football League Cup
• Twice Serie A Top Scorer
• European Footballer Of The Year
• 3 Times Champions League Top Scorer
• Fourth All Time Scorer Ever in Europe

Yeah compared to Senderos:

• 1 FA Cup

Only other thing he's won are pre-season friendly tournaments

My fear is that Carlo tends to stick stubbornly to what has been proven...suppose $heva scores a few in the starts he's given....I fear that Pato's growth will be stunted in favour of the short term solution

Give him a break. I'm sure Senderos will do better here.

And we're not going to neglect Pato. Pato seems to do better as a 2nd half substitute by the way. And he scored most of his goals in the second half.

notice I used the term CURRENT $heva. The old #7 Shevchenko is not this shell of a man that now answers to the same name

being a sub isn't enough. Pato needs minutes....minutes to score....minutes to miss.....minutes to work miracles.....minutes to stink.....we can't assume that he will come on and score or that 45 min is enough...especially as he is the most talented striker on our roster....The kid needs to play and play and play and waste great chances and to LEARN. It's the only way his talent will truly develop. Cristiano Ronaldo didn't get to where he is now by being a sub all the time....sure when he just came he was FAR form being the finished produce....but Fergie kept the faith in him no matter how much crap he played or dived or stank....he's now the finished product FOUR years away from his debut at 18.

I think it's too early to tell just how people are going to play. Let's at least wait til more than one competitive game has been played, lest we all collectively be accused of having Zamparini Syndrome.

I'm sure Pato will start some games... it'll allow rotation. Seriously, you think having 4 strikers is inappropriate? I'm sure Ancelotti will test out 4-3-1-2 more. The kid will play for sure, and will play appropriately. I just can't agree with anything you say I'm sorry.

Dru, I agree with the sentiment. The problem is that there are 3 other really good strikers on the team and they deserve to play some of the time too. It'd be easier if we played a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-2-3-1 because there'd be more options but right now there may just have to be some rotation.

I'm stunned. When we have a crisis with our forwards last season, people were calling for signing new strikers. When we do, we suddenly have too much. Once we have some rotation... it's suddenly a bad thing.

Some people will never be happy.

I'd much rather have rotation and depth with our strikers. And lets face it, Inzaghi won't be playing as much. What if he is hit with another injury? If anything if we put all the pressure on Pato, there is more of a chance he could pick up another injury or be overwhelmed.

That's just stupid though.

That's like me saying Gilardino is better than Van Basten - currently

Sheva scored 6 goals in 10 starts for Chelsea last season.. Add that to his 14 goals in his first season at Chelsea. I thin people's expectations of him were so high that they don't actually realise that he wasn't a complete disaster in London. Especially when he was played a a RW in his time there.

Senderos has never shown anything to suggest that he's anymore than a below average, Championship quality player.

We need forwards but good ones!! Getting crap like $h!tchel$ki doesn't count. PAto is the only potentially WC forward we have atm.....and he's largely unproven. Lacking a player in a position and getting a crap player to me is the same thing
Inzaghi is a legend and I'd never thought in a million years I'd grow to love an ex- juventino so much but NOW his body is simply not capable of withstanding top class football for extended periods.
Borriello has only ONE season of more than 12 goals we can't accurately predict how he's going to play.

So essentially we only have ONE forward that we could EXPECT a reasonably consistent stream of goals from

Respectfully disagreed. We can't have 4 world class forwards, or that'll cause problems. We needed back-up for now. We were not going to acquire Ronaldinho and a top class forward (lets just say Eto'o for examples sake). Pato may be the only potential world class forward, but we have attacking midfielders who can more than make up the difference and ones that ARE WORLD CLASS.

Sheva isn't crap. He's just... meh... a back-up.

I'll give Borriello a chance. He's more depth when we need it.

No. We have four forwards, and three we can expect something out of.

But with Milan, our goals don't mostly come from our forwards, but our midfielders (Kaka scored 15 last season). And I'm sure Ronaldinho (who can play as second striker) will score just as many.

Another example to prove my point: Who scores the most goals in Manchester United? Ronaldo. Tevez is a far second at 14 goals last season (just counting league games). Ronaldo had 31. Is Ronaldo a forward?

This is coming from the guy who has Ronaldo as his avatar? No. The exact same thing in January almost, was world-class then went average and then awful but you supported him. He was as old, as past it etc

Sheva is not 'crap' you are just completely bitter about the way he left which I respect your opinion in. However, I don't think you can call a player like Sheva that previous or now.

Well he is...put both on the field and gila will score more, faster and easier than MVB....despite the fact that MVB = the swan of Uctrect and Gila = Absolut Garbage

The facts are NOW Sheva is rubbish BUT the nostalgic feelings we have for him will linger on and will ultimately prove dangerous since we will tend to celebrate his every goal and minimize his obvious failings. An even more potentially detrimental scenario is if he hits a patch of form, Ancelotti might be tempted to field him more often at the expense of the duck's playing time- who's growing pains we might suddenly not have the patience for.

The facts are what? Kurt said it well enough. Shevchenko actually didn't so bad in London as most want to think.

I thought Sheva did "meh" on the field against Bologna. Meaning... eh... so-so... he's not rubbish. He'll play better with time. What obvious failings exactly? He played one game and you're already writing him off. I'm sure Ancelotti will test out 4-3-1-2 more often...

You're just angry and you have Ronaldo in your avatar. That says enough.

I'd rather pick Shevchenko then porky right now. But I guess you were fine when Ronaldo transferred over from Real Madrid in the condition he was in.

good point


I'm actually relieved that you think that way for a while I thought you were welcoming him with arms wide open!!!

Actually he IS a forward in the position that SAF plays him....Rooney and Tevez do their share of dirty work and yeoman's service for him to get the ball. However youe example imho is inapplicable to us because none of our midfielders are heavy goal scorers....unless you are counting Kaka and I don't see him being a Serie A top scorer anytime soon (because he still has a ton of work to do as a midfielder himself)

I've welcomed him back. That's fine by me. I would have picked a defender, then maybe if we had time try to work out a deal for Shevchenko... I've said many times... I'm okay with him coming back though it was not on my wish list.



Actually, you're talking about two different leagues. We scored 66 goals (correct me if I'm wrong) last season... which was more or less similar to other top level teams. I'm not saying Kaka will be a top scorer. He'll probably score 10-15 again... and Ronaldinho will indeed get on the scoring chart.

As far as the league differences... Italian Serie A is far more defensive, and I'm sure if Ronaldo was playing here his total would be similar to Kaka's.

But no Ronaldo isn't a forward. I'll ask Kurt more on that one though and leave him to answer that.

Ronaldo's a winger but does often press forward in games it's so hard to tell with him though as he so often seems to get a free roll, a bit like Messi really.

The only time I remember him being put upfront from the off was against Barca and that really didn't work.

Wasn't he put more as a forward in the Portugual NT regarding Euro 2008? I could be wrong about that...

But he flopped in the Euro 2008. That game against Germany was quite awful.