I don't agree with this at all. Ronaldinho and Kaka are about equal when it comes to playing skills and application. Both have managed to apply their talent appropriately throughout their careers. I just don't get why people are rating Quaresma so high. I wouldn't even rate him higher than Cristiano Ronaldo (and I can't stand him).

Ronaldinho applies his talent correctly? He didn't the last 2 years, he was very lazy. While Kaka' is a very hard working player.

"I wouldn't even rate him higher than Ronaldo" -- This suggests you don't rate him very highly? Maybe you'r judging your rating of them too much on how much you like them.

So scoring 21 goals the season before last is lazy? Okay. I get that lol.

Ronaldinho has been motivated, and I think the two are on the same level right now.

Um as far as Ronaldo and Quaresma... I don't really like Portuguese players, and the last one I did like was Rui Costa... so my bias may be a reason why I don't rate either that highly.

Scoring goals does not a great player make. And some are rating him the world's best. He may be very good at the moment - few people can deny that - but a lot of other things combine to make a world beater. Arrogance is another things, yes, but his form for Portugal is peanuts, his captaincy is shaky, and most of all his technique. Watch him play in another stronger and more physical league (Italian, German, Swedish), and you'll know. The penalty he missed in the CL final, that almost cost his team 50m Euros. I'd put Kaka and Messi above him any given Sunday. That's what makes him over-rated.

And oh, the fact that he cries and sobs like his last name is Sobis has got nothing to do with it. Honest.

Ok, then that made Gilardino a superstar

This is what I mean about him being in the EPL. Everyone downgrades it all the time on the continent at least the Italian has a chance but Swedish and German being stronger than the EPL? Man all I hear on this forum is the dirty English defenders hacking and kicking everyone and how physical it is over here so I don't buy that one bit.

Anyway yes he did get stopped against Milan, but Roma he's done over so many times, the 2nd team in Italy. Therefore I don't think he's just limited to the EPL...

You're judging a player on one penalty miss? So Chelsea should hate John Terry yeah? Anyway who was it who scored United's goal in the Final itself again, oh yeah...

I'd put Messi above him, I'd put Kaka above him because I'm biased, I know in all reality I'd say he is better than Kaka at this moment in time.

Maybe he was. Maybe we killed Gila. He was a contender, sure. I guess we'll know once the season ends and see how he fares at Fiorentina. Only then can we judge that boy called Gilardino.

Anyway, either you watch too much of the guy, or I too little. I'd put Kaka and Messi above him with eyes closed. I guess that's where the hype machine starts, and they overrate Christiano. The thing is, was he not playing for United, the English media would be calling him just another diving Portuguese prick. Maybe they will, once he leaves for Madrid or some other club. But even if he scores 420 goals in a season, he shouldn't be termed the best in the world when he hasn't rubbed shoulders with other players of similar stature around the world. The only thing I don't really appreciate about England is that they seem to forget there is a world outside that little island too. Nothing personal, but that's just how it is. In sports at the very least. Cricket, Football, Rugby, etc.

Roma you say? Outside Italy, they're a 4th grade club anyway. Mentally weak, because they haven't had a good run at the top for quite some time. Even in Italy, I'd put them behind the merda. They just got lucky in the last couple of years with Juve falling and Milan not picking themselves up. He got his true worth revealed against Milan, like you said. And in the Euros against Germany. Then again, a couple of matches never made or broke a player, so judging a player this way isn't the best of ideas. Maybe it's because you live in England, and are engulfed by the English media and papers who call him the best in the world. Just like the Italians still call Buffon the best, while he clearly isn't the best in Serie A at the moment. It's just normal.

What isn't normal is calling a certain Portuguese the absolute best, when there clearly are better players than him around. That's where the overrate thingy hops in. Is he a great player? Yes. Is he the talented. Maybe. But the world's numero uno? That's hard to buy. At least at the moment. And no you won't be biased when putting Kaka and Messi above him. They are. And that in no way makes Christiano a bad player. It just puts him back in his place.

Overrated or not, I for sure know he isn't underrated. FACT.

It's not like he makes mistakes in every single game. I wish he made one against us at San Siro


You really think so?

He played 45 minutes (ahead of Pato) when he hadn't trained with the rest of team for more than a few days and while he was clearly out of form. you wanna know why? Silvio was present at that match and Carlo had to use him. favoritism towards Sheva might prevent Pato and Borriello from playing up to their full potential.





How with Kaka and Ronaldinho both having to play?... we will never play with two strikers unless one (between Kaka and Ronaldinho) is injured. but even then we probably won't play with two strikers (we all saw how Carlo picked his team against Bologna when he could start the game with two strikers)



That's a little harsh (regarding C.Ronaldo. Quaresma... I still have no idea how good he is) Ronaldo is a big game choker, not overrated. he performs against most teams, but when it comes to a team like Barca in the semi final of the CL... we all saw how he played over two legs (not to mention how bad he took his penalty at Camp Nou).

I believe never has an overrated player won a Golden Ball or FIFA world player of the year title. but a big game choker? Ronaldo will be the first

I meant the Age
Kaka is the best, End of Discussion.

The ronaldo issue is one of discussion forsure but right now whether he is overrated or not, he is the best player in the world. No can deny him that title.

So it doesnt matter whether you can stand him or not.

42 goals is impressive and anyone who can achieve this feat cannot be considered lightly. Not even kaka who i love so much can claim he has impressed more than ronaldo.

Hmh, Quaresma sure has talent and potential, but I'm pretty sure it'll go wasted. It's just a kind of transfer Inter would do 6-7 years ago - buy big and risk big. Only difference really is Mourinho. If there's a coach in the world who could make him do the things he can it's sure Moe. Will it be enough? I don't think so. Mancini and Quaresma have to prove themselfs fast, but till then Inter is a one-man-show (on pitch) called Ibrahimovic.

CR? He's good. He's very good. Overrated by the English medias? Probably too.

right on dozer

There you go again.

Insulting people who think differently than you.

He's not the best winger in the world (far from the best). Average at best man. And what inter paid for him... vastly overrated.

Er. Giancarlo, nobody's insulting anyone here. Blue is making a JOKE. At Fillipo, not you, anyway.

I personally think Cristiano Ronaldo is overrated and not necessarily the best player on the planet but I acknowledge that others may disagree with me.

And I disagree most strongly with the characterization of Quaresma as 'average at best'. Especially if the judgment is based on...4 or so games at the most recent Euros.

I don't think they would, they were all majorly p'd off with him in 2006 but it seems they have come back to love him again. They appreciate that finally after all these years the EPL has arguably the best player on the planet in their league. That hasn't happened for some time.

He hasn't rubbed shoulders with big players?! He plays in the EPL currently, I'd say that's where the biggest amount of World-Class players are with all the money being thrown into it. This is what I don't get, abuse at England, it seems whenever we have a half decent point we get it's all the media hype and we don't look outside of our country abuse thrown at us If that were the case do you think myself, Kurt, Mike and the other English people on this board would be supporting/following Milan?...

Is that another dig at the English media, nice way to support your arguement...

See, whilst you've told me goals don't make you good which I find slightly weird for a winger, the fact that he's won the EPL and CL last season scoring all those goals along the way. Whereas Messi and Kaka won nothing and didn't come close to his scoring record. Therefore, I don't see how there are other betters 'clearly' better than him and that's from looking at the stats and what they've won in the past season.

You think he's underrated, so it's a fact That's like me saying he isn't overrated, FACT. It's called an opinion

Ah ok, when you said 'bigger' sounded like you were meaning better! Isn't Quaresma 24 and Ronaldo 23 though? Not too much difference.

Thank you finally someone who can look at what he has done rather than basing their opinion on whether they like him or not. He is cocky but he can afford to be he's one of the best at the moment.

To be honest for all the stick the English media gets and rightfully in my opinion in most circumstances I think most countries do big up there best players. It's the same in Spain with Messi how they feel no one comes close to him currently, there's no room for them thinking that Ronaldo's as good or better than him on the past seasons performance.

I can't help but feel if Messi was in the EPL and Ronaldo in La Liga. We'd be saying that it's the English media overrating Messi, Ronaldo's on another planet currently etc.

He says "dozer" all the time to everyone who doesn't agree with his view on things. It's annoying. He thinks Quaresma and Ronaldo are the gods of everything.

I gave my judgment. As I said, I tihnk he's average at best, especially for the price they paid.

So the issue is that you fiind the term 'dozer' annoying; clearly Bluesummers doesn't. Given that his comment wasn't even directed at you, I fail to see why you felt it necessary to call him out for 'insulting'.

As for what Bluesummers thinks, perhaps he just rates the two players more highly than you do. That doesn't necessarily mean he thinks their gods. He just has a differeng opinion.

Right. I'm not going to argue about this anymore. He's called me that on numerous occasions and I see others. I don't think it's really nice. Though word means nothing to me (and frankly I don't think it means anything at all).

C.Ronaldo is so overrated, but he is a great player.
End of Disscussion:D

Exactly. If you're a good young talent in England, you're just labelled over-rated. But if you play in Spain, clearly you must be a God send.

I don't think that makes sense. why doesn't anyone label Cesc as an overrated player?

He doesn't get called over-rated much, I'll admit that. But he's also somebody that nobody seems to consider World class either.

He's not World Class yet, but he's already very influential in Arsenal's system.

In My opinion, Cesc is a world Class Player, very talented!
I think we should get him!

I consider him World class! he's 21 and already plays like a 27-28. so much ahead of his age. I can't imagine how good he will become in six or seven years' time.

The reason he doesn't get as much praise as CR does, IMO, is because he is a midfielder and scores less goals... for common people a World class player is someone who: 1) attacks! 2) scores goals 3) does tricks and flicks 4) likes publicity 5) etc.

Ronaldo has all those factors while Cesc does not [have all of them].

You and very few others then. I got blasted whenever I call him World class.

cesc is world class

OH hell yeah..Cesc is world class...Cesc is one of the few people whose crosses are 9.9 accurate all the time...He's like a younger version of David Beckham..Really Cesc is good...Very

I would say Cesc is a pretty fine player... he didn't perform up to par in the Euro 2008, but overall he does a lot of good things for Arsenal. I think he was potentially overshadowed by Xavi and Iniesta in that tournament...

There is one Cesc that plays classy football at Arsenal and there's another pretty average player who drops in for Spain. It's the usual Catalunian thing...

As for the words world class... I don't like swaggering with such epithets..

Cesc was average in the Euros?! please...

Yes totally he was. There were several players that completely overshadowed him...

FYI:

Cesc was average (even though he was hands down the best player his age and Xavi only beat him on experience)
Quaresma is overrated and going to be a flop
Dani Alves is worthless

Don't even try talking for me when you misconstrue most of what I say. Cesc was not the best player there... sheesh... Xavi and Iniesta where. It was their passes that were vital. In that final, Cesc was mostly absent.

And all I said about Dani Alves is that he was not worth the price, nor was Quaresma. They are average.

I'm sick and damn tired of this.

Er. Giancarlo, it would seem that this time you misread what dru said.

In any event, NO MORE BICKERING. Please. From anyone.

I know what he is doing.

I think my time here is coming to an end. And this time I'm dead serious.

He's right I confess I was harrassing him

(He doesn't understand the concept of a joke though and that I was just teasing him so I'll stop)

Sorry Giancarlo

I disagree.

Fabregas started most games from the bench and whenever he came off it, did good. saying Xavi and Iniesta did better is acceptable and different from saying Cesc was average. Cesc was good, Xavi (and to some extent Iniesta) was outstanding. Spain as a whole were in a surprisingly good form in the Euro 2008.

That bloke wearing #76. You can/should never go back, it just won't work! It's just hitting me now what's actually happened, wasn't sure what to think at first so I just said nothing. We were all devastated when he left but my fear is that was only part one! I think we were just starting to move on, we had Pato, Borriello, Paloschi etc. I can only see him (still can't even say/type his name - too painful) as a problem now - getting in the way of our attack that was just starting to grow. As a man I've forgiven him and don't blame him for coming back, he admitted he made a mistake and paid dearly for it. Chelsea has destroyed him though & now it's too late, he'll never be anywhere close to what he was before. He left us as... some would say a traitor, but more importantly - a legend, having made indeleble history with us. He returns though as a loser and I don't see what good can come of it, for us anyway.

That's what I think too, let's hope he proves us wrong.

Agreed, 1899%.

Great post. I understand what you are going through.

Worst move this summer was by far not selling Rino when we had the chance. Him being injured is a blessing in disguise, but whenever he's fit there is no way Carlo will drop him. That means we either play with too many DMs or one of Ambro/Flamini will be dropped, and they're both better than he is. Maybe next summer he'll go to Rangers or something.

Worst transfer.. hard to say yet really, they've all been as bad as each other.