i dont know... we havent lost to atalanta since 86.... does that tell you something?

yes they've been in serie B most of the time

Besides i will not be treated as a fool, if they dont make an effort to make changes (ei january transfer) because they is no doubt that we need them. if do make an honnest effort then i will give them a chance

Sure, keep on blaming this on Carlo That is ridiculous!!! We don't have fullbacks except for an ageing cafu and Janku, we didn't get a Sheva replacement and you keep blaming this on Carlo???!!!!!

I'm sorry but that is stupid! Look what happene during the summer and then come and speak about who's fault this is



great post. But I think the hope I still had a couple of hours ago has just been sucked out of me. I will continue to support the team no matter what, bet the fact the this game was a make it or break it game, and we didn't make it should be enough to lose all hope
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But never the less my support wont fain not for one bit

i'll bet they'll be happy that you give them a chance!!

Correction...since 1985. And yes, it tells much about the situation here..

well it was a similar record with palermo when we lost to them. this is our 2nd two goal loss in the past few games and we concceded 4 against inter, i cant remember the last time this happened...

Specially if Carletto continues to put Inzaghi along with Gilardino.

We just struggle against lower team? Oh, the humiliation vs. Inter... 4 goals in 1 night... etc etc etc. The Palermo match at home... etc

Not to mention all the ref 'incidents' that have been happening for pretty much ALL of the matches this season.

carlo makes the same mistakes!!!
when was the last time we won with gila-pippo`?

... Hopefully our MILAN can go through CL next year.. If not, maybe Kaka will leave San Siro for Santiago Bernebeu..

But I still believe our MILAN will bounce back..

well coaches are never on the pitch playing but they do get lots of credit when the team wins but when they continue to lose they have to receive blame. and this si a critical situation and things must be done to shake things up, ancelotti over stayed his welcome after the CL loss anyways, remember no subs in those 6 minutes. i thought that was a good time for him to leave. anyways this is now and wen neeeeeeed changes right away.

i cant believe we played gila and pippo together again... like what is ancelotti in the 5th grade or does he have mental lapses... anyways why does he have to play them together? cuz we only have on other real triker.

Spot on !!! Too bad not everyon can see it.

Gourcuff's penalty claim was dubious , but bonera's should have been a penalty.

Oh calciopoli , yet again you affect our serie A campaign.

In the end we played terrible, no excuse.

But i dont think Carlo could have done anything. Okay , the whole Inzaghi-Gilardino crap is a good excuse every time we lose , but it doesnt matter if it was Inzaghi-Oliveira , Oliveria-Gilardino or Inzaghi-Gilardino who played today cause it would'nt have made a difference cause our midfield just wasnt there to provide anything. I felt sorry for Kaka cause nothing worked for the lad after the wonderfull hattrick against anderlecht.

Offcourse it easy to blaim the coach , hello I know

I had a feeling since before the match started we were gonna play sh!t. But apart from playing bad, we lost and with it all the hopes for the scudetto. Now I'm worried about our position, can we even get a Champions League spot for the next season? This team really needs to be rebuild all over. Some signings in January and then a complete overhaul in June. Cause with the current squad we've got, we have no hopes. And for f@ck's sake, stop blaming Carlo.

I knew he was going to play them together the moment I read the press conference and I dd have a feeling that nothing but damage was going to come out of it. But what do you expect the man to do??

Oliveira is still having some problems, and I guess he figured it would be a better idea to have 2 pure goal scorers to try and get in a goal from a set piece.

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Anyway, this game only shows the state of football in Italy, and still what a joke it is.

Constant fouls on kaka and Gourcuff not being given to us in the first half, CLEAR penalty on Bonera not being given.

Then to make things more ridiculous a penalty being given to us but for some reason the lineman decides to over rule it and has the NERVE to give Gourcuff a yellow for diving.

At least during the other games they where being more discreet about what they are doing, with the disallowed goals for no reason and the penalties not being given. But to over rule something and give the yellow to our player? That was just low.

Moratti and Guido Rossi must be really happy about this

btw have any of you read the article about Trofeloni the only ref which WASN'T investigated by mister Borelli himself, because his files where 'misteriously lost' during the trails but have now been found once the trails where concluded. he was the only ref who admitted that he was ordered to make wrong calls agianst Milan, and even admitted to given an uncalled for red card to Nesta during a match.

So there you go, this just proves the state of Calcio

Ehm against Juve, when we demolished them 3-1 in the San Siro loast season, against Chievo when we won 4-1, these are just a few games off the top of my head where we played with these 2 together and won.

People should get it through their heads that the fact that we are not winning is not because of Gila and Pippo but the fact that we are in terrible form.

When Milan wins , they all get the credits. When they lose they ALL take the blaim. Just as today.

But as a coach at Milan these days , you dont have many options and with Kaladze , Nesta & serginho out , you actually dont have any options.

Yeah we all know the inzaghi-gilardino fairytale , and if it was oliveira he would have bagged 4 goals today , yeah right , okay , NOT happening.

Yes , i have the same fear too. we really need to improve to be even playing for a CL spot

But we must believe we will.

Forza Milan !

Well, after 21 years we lost against Atalanta in Bergamo. What a shame. The team showed nothing more then individual quality and moments of enlightment:

Dida (6) - managed to save everything he could.

Bonera (5.5) - as a RB he proved to be not as efficient as on the central position. Still, what should Carlo do? Any other RB avaible then Cafu?? No, so...

Å imić (5) - very lazy, clumsy and takes credit on the first goal we conceeded. More then a bad day for him.

Maldini (5.5) - indolent. In some occasions he reminded me of the old Maldini, but that was all he showed.

Jankulovski (4.5) - poor passing, poor crosses, everything he touched was simply wrong.

Gattuso (5.5) - got injuried 20 from time. Before then also did nothing special. Rino`s performances this season are rather dissapointing, but its also that WC factor.

Pirlo (4.5) - millions of free kicks, chances, crosses, corners,..but nothing exact, nothing of a real thread. Only that one shot, but Calderoni was there to rescue Atalanta.

Kaka (5.5) - try, try, try,...but - we acnnot expect of him to do all the job by himself, can`t we?

Gourcuff (5) - green. he still is green and not consistent, also he recently recovered, do maybe that also affected on his display. Had one brilliant long range shot at the beginning.

Inzaghi (5) - he played?

Gilardino (5.5) - one poor chance, nothing else from him.

Subs:

Seedorf (6) - our best field player today. Created two great chances, and after he took over to take the corners, we finally managed to do better. Still, his lone effort wasn`t enough.

Oliveira (5) - played pretty much on the left wing, but wasn`t even close to a chance.

Cafu (-) - nothing to say about him.


Well, I`ll have to say, time is running out, and the only hope must be the january window. I can only say that Milan has no individual problems, like Gila and Pippo can`t play, or we lack of good wings...no, we have trouble in all departments. I knew this is kind of a farewell season, but what kind of way to say goodbye is this? Man, I only hope we can rebuild the squad soon enough. This season we have to save what we can - ensure CL qualification and do as good as we get in the CL .

Bravo!! Exactly that...

I agree with everything you said...

Please let's not bring Istambul in this again, we've had so many discussions about it and all disagree, if you want to blame Carlo for that night fine, blame him, but we all know what happened during that match, miss after miss of goals that could have been scored by simple tap ins, penalties being awarded to Liverpool because of a dive by their captain, and goals being disallowed from us for non off sides.

So before you start blaming Carlo for that night watch that match again and look at all the incidents that happened that night.



You said it yourself right there. Because the man was left with no options by the management, Oliveira is having problems adjusting not to mention all his personal problems that he has to deal with everyday.

We should all stop using the Carlo using pippo and Gila upfront as an excuse to why we lost, because there are MUCH more bigger problems that have been effecting us, mainly our off form players which basically include 3/4 of the team



Agreed



We played a bad match and to top that off everything was going against us, from bad ref calls to great saves by the goal keeper.

And as you said, everybody would you PLEASE stop blaming Carlo for this, why can't anyone see that the players are off form playing like sh!t and to top that off they aren't even showing any desire to be playing out there. The problems we are having lie deeper then the fact that it is Carlo's fault for playing Pippo and gila together ot playing the xmas tree

It's because of the bad field ...


Stop saying that all the time !! If I was on the field I would support the team even after this ridiculous performance. for your information: We're in a forum !!! Princeton :forum=a public meeting or assembly for open discussion ... not a place where we sing chants !!!

I love the team as much as they do but can you explain to me what's the point in singing in a forum ??


Well this is a bad excuse .... Ofcourse we've been against some terrible refereeing but Milan never relied on penalties to win, that's Giuve !! The team played awfully, that penalty would only mean one point more ...

Don't hide behind the ref, it's the same as hiding behind Carlo !!

Please don`t start with that kind of thinking again...we have enough sh@t right now...

Could be



I was not pointing out to the fact that we should have been given the penalty in order to win, we still wouldn't have won anyway.

But the fact of how many times can refs screw us over in matches!!
It's not hiding behind the ref as an excuse but the fact that WE ARE IN FACT GETTING CHEATED OUT OF THE CHANCE TO WIN A MATCH BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT REFS ARE CONSTANTLY GIVING DECISIONS AGAINST US, that's what's irritating me.

just cuz we dont have many options up front doesnt mean we hav no choice but to use gila/inzaghi. we could use inzaghi/oli, gila/oli, seedorf behind the 2 strikers- kaka as support striker and the striker any of them three.. maybe even groucuff behind the strikers. i dunno i'm sure theres other options. DIG DEEP carlo! mix things up...

The refs do not cheated out of nothing. My opinion is that our team is playing so bad that we get stuck in ref's decisions ... this shouldn't be happening !!

agreed 100%

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We have three normal strikers. Gila, Pippo and Oli. And, from my point of you it doesn`t make any difference who starts. Carlo brought Oli in, and he did nothing. The same against Inter. So, I fear we cannot expect much from the Oli - Pippo/Gila duo too...Oh. where are the days when we could easily put aside strikers like Vieri or Amoroso. Now I would embrace them momentarily just to have some more options. Why don`t we try George Weah Junior? With that kind off attack I mean...we are lost.

Agreed. And that's unacceptable for this team.

we need a new RB thats clear, zaccardo could be an option. funny how everyone has forgot about him.

No, i have not...do you recall the Italy-USA WC match?? That`s what Zaccardo is for, nothing more...

who cares thats one game. what about de rossi in the same game? yet everyone would love him. and just to let you know the world cup is the highest level of football and few really perform, i found totti, del piero and toni were pretty average at the world cup. the fact is zaccardo performs VERY well in serie a thats why he was the starting RB for italy before the world cup started.

All I can still hope for is that Braida will come back from South America with Gago, Higuain and a bunch of defenders !! And since it seems like we're through the CL groups stage (which means we can get some so-needed money) I hope Silvio will take the biggest risk ever (by obviously putting Milan's future under threat and uncertainty) and pays Lolito a BIG, FAT 6m EUR for Oddo !!

Or maybe not ... It's too big a risk, huh ?? Yeah, you're right ... let's do it next season, or maybe even the season after that.

I myself will save some money and send it to Via Turati ... poor Silvio ...

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Allright..but...Zaccardo is a joke, his defensive skills are even lower than the one Å imić has when he plays on the RB. No, honestly, we should find a decent, offensive-wise, RB, cause with Gattuso on the right side, practically all the weight falls on the left. That has to be changed...

milan's cheapness has really come to bit them in the ***. by the way we've let go of players and thrown opportunities to get new ones away, our situation has been predictable. it hurts to say this considering we were ranked 3rd last year as the club with the highest revenues.

This does not make sense ... if we want a new RB then what do we need Zaccardo for ??

Unless you mean "We need a new RB ... oh and I heard they're looking for ball-boys, Zaccardo could be an option" !!


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the scandal put a road block in us getting any good players last year. i think that if we had not been involved in the scandal than at least 90% of all the players that left juve would have come to milan instead.

besides that...i think i'm only going to watch CL matches from now on

well we all know oddo is a good option, but 7 million is too much considering we wont have anyone on the right side who can attack once cafu is gone. lol

This is definitely true but when it comes to the greatest players only ... I mean we only have one single 36 year old right back and we didn't even get Oddo who was begging us !!

Young, talented players who we could get for the future would have come easily !! Gourcuff anyone ??

ya i feel at ease now that we know the scudetto is over. we can focus everything on the coppa italia and CL. and we can compare our situation to that of liverpool and arsenal when they both made the finals while sucking in the domestic league.

I didnt watch the game .. Heared about the score ..

Cant comment .. The leaders have streched 17 points off of us ...

I never blamed our loss on the ref, I know we played bad. But the fact that we are getting bad calls in practically every match can't be over looked, winning or losing, they are still happening. This call didn't cost us the match, neighter did the Gila goal against palermo or the goal disallowed against lazio, but they still happened for no reason. But when you look at games like the Livorno match and the Siena match where you know that the ref took the points away from you because he disallowed you a perfectly legit goal then I can't help but to blame them.

Today I am blaming the players for playing a sh!tty game but on other games I can't help but wonder that we cuould have won if not for a stupid ref call that has gone against us, especially when it keeps happening on a regular basis







You want zaccardo? I'd prefer an 80 year old Cafu to him, doesn't know how to defend, doesn't know how to attack, doesn't know how to do anything basically except for scoring ridiculous own goals

ya i know thats why palermo are 2nd, and he has like 4 or 5 goals on the season. cuz we can only score own goals. i've seen palermo play, he's a big part of the team.

De Rossi is actually very talented and is a great player already, Zaccardo only played for some reason unknown to us except for the fact that Lippi is stubbern, instead of playing Oddo which is trice as good as Zaccordo while Zambrotta was injured, he went for the Palermo guy, that has no experiance what so ever and is nothing special at all not even a prospect for the future



I think we should open the 'Milan donation fund' especially since the club seems to be going through a tough time money wise, Silvio is not made of Billions people he can't help out the club that much financially

Let's not compare what he does at Palermo to what he could be like at Milan. Facgt is Zaccardo is not good enough, not even for Roma.

And come on are we seriously crediting him for getting palermo in the top spot of the table? Why don't we look at the fact that everything has been messed up this season in serie A and everyone is taking advantage of it

If that is the case then why is carlo njot banging on Galliani or Don Slivio's door then?

thats it, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. since carlo is paid to be part of the solution i would like to see him do his job. if he has to smack galliani in the face in public then do it. cuz i'm thinking of flying over to italy and doing it myself

Ask him!

Are we seriously going to blame this pathetic display by the players on the fact that Carlo started with Pippo and Gila????!!!

Carlo even PUBLICLY stated that he wanted a holding mid to the media, that is something that he RARELY does, and what did he get? Brocchi that's what!