meet Thierry Henry, often browsing football forums with the nickname "han2503" ...

Don't think Italian football works like that people...I can't remember the last time an Italian coach has crticised his board for not giving him enough dope to buy players and still lived to tell the tale.

I'm really sorry I missed the game, I could have provided a few comments that would be more useful as regards the match...right now I'm taking han's word for the players sucked and the ref was only too happy to add to their misery.

Well I do think Italian politics is starting to rear it's head in football. I read this stuff on some column saying Silvio now that he no longer is the PM, is not the Silvio of old, just some dumb rich guy, who's in love with his own legend etc. etc. Basically that Silvio is senile and everyone is eager to screw him over. It didn't mention anything about football, but for a budding conspiracy theorist like me...

What can Milan do? So is it Carlo's fault? Not anymore than it's SAF's. It's easy to come up with theories and expect everything to work as planned. You can say a what if Gila Oli etc.... life's full of what ifs...it didn't happen today. Atalanta haven't been beaten at home this season and we couldn't break the jinx.

I don't know why we are not gonna be transferring anybody this season. If what Galliani says is true, and considering Milan have never had a less than competitive side any season other than this. I have a few thoughts on this matter.

Most of my doubts seem to point to Silvio having had enough of Carletto. I dunno, maybe he isn't glamorous enough, whatever. This season is Carletto's swan song in Milan. And no transfers gives Carletto less options and paves his way out.

Two, there really is a conspiracy on, Inter have switched back to the days of Moriatti Sr. and the football mafia is active again.

Three, the effects of Calciopoli cannot be underestimated. Milan's image has taken a HUGE beating. Nobody knows the truth and as far as they are concerned after Juve, Milan are the next biggest club and by some wierd connection the next biggest offenders. So Milan is poison. If I were a footballer I wouldn't want to join Milan right now. Especially since our current form only serves to underline the above 'theory'.
Hey ur like my bro and all, but if you also let them in on the fact that I'm Fabregas I'm gonna kill you. Too bad Henry2503's identity is blown. Sorry Han..err...Thierry. So how was the game again? Boy we sucked against West Ham

Anyway, this game only shows the state of football in Italy, and still what a joke it is.

Constant fouls on kaka and Gourcuff not being given to us in the first half, CLEAR penalty on Bonera not being given.

Then to make things more ridiculous a penalty being given to us but for some reason the lineman decides to over rule it and has the NERVE to give Gourcuff a yellow for diving.

At least during the other games they where being more discreet about what they are doing, with the disallowed goals for no reason and the penalties not being given. But to over rule something and give the yellow to our player? That was just low.

Moratti and Guido Rossi must be really happy about this

btw have any of you read the article about Trofeloni the only ref which WASN'T investigated by mister Borelli himself, because his files where 'misteriously lost' during the trails but have now been found once the trails where concluded. he was the only ref who admitted that he was ordered to make wrong calls agianst Milan, and even admitted to given an uncalled for red card to Nesta during a match.

So there you go, this just proves the state of Calcio

Could someone please tell me who was in the game, and a little review ?

It is very interesting why we always loose because of counters, i think this is mainly because Cafu and Janku play forward too much...

We where cought out because we where practically commiting everyone up fron, we where camped in their half for 3/4 of the match, so when we lose the ball, it practically the last man being all be himself.

And in our formation you need the fullback to push up as much as they can since we don't use wingers

And then we would have absolutely NO ONE who is a natural RB

Well they couldn't use Cassano in the CL could they? Or for that matter Adriano, though I hear that dolt is back in training with the merda...

MORE MISERY FOR MILAN

Nicola Ventola's second-half goal inspired Atalanta to victory and piled more domestic misery on AC Milan.

The Rossoneri have struggled all season in Serie A and that continued on Sunday although they were hardly helped by having to play the final 15 minutes with 10 men following an injury to Gennaro Gattuso.

Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti had made all his substitutions prior to Gattuso having to leave the pitch and it cost the visitors dearly as substitute Andrea Soncin killed the game off a minute from time.

The result in Bergamo means Milan are 17 points behind Serie A leaders Internazionale and Palermo after 10 games played.

The visitors, who moved to within a point of earning a place in the second round of the Champions League with a 4-1 victory over Anderlecht in midweek, controlled the opening minutes and could have taken the lead with 12 minutes played, Yoann Gourcuff's 30-yard drive firing just over the bar.

Atalanta replied with Massimo Donati trying his luck from long range and forcing goalkeeper Dida to make a desperate clearance.

Midway through the first-half, Milan were unlucky not to break the deadlock with Claudio Rivalta forced to make a goalline clearance after Alberto Gilardino had fired in a shot.

On the half-hour mark, Ventola's volley went wide as the hosts upped the tempo.

Filippo Inzaghi should have put his team ahead with 39 minutes played after clever play by Kaka served the striker inside the box but his first touch went wide.

Gilardino's flying header from inside the six-yard box then went wide in what was the last chance of the opening half.

Milan continued to attack after the re-start but it was Atalanta who broke the deadlock in the 50th minute.

Ventola's left-footed volley towards the near post stunned Dida to bring the Atleti Azzurri D'Italia Stadium to life.

The Rossoneri would have equalised three minutes later had home keeper Alex Calderoni not acrobatically palmed Andrea Pirlo's free-kick over the bar.

Shortly after, Gourcuff was booked for diving inside the area when his marker clearly touched the ball and not the striker.

Atalanta were quite happy to sit on their lead and hit Milan on the counter-attack.

Gattuso's injury hindered the Rossoneri who lacked ideas and could have conceded their second in the 70th minute.

Donati's right-footed effort from Fernando Tissone's assist went wide, much to Dida's relief.

Kaka twice had the opportunity to level the score but his attempts from close-range were saved by Calderoni.

Soncin made no mistake at the other end as his left-footed strike from inside the box towards the top left-hand corner beat Dida to kill the contest.

Stefano Colantuono's joy was understandable as his team have maintained their unbeaten run at home and also climbed to fourth position in the standings.

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I heard Gattuso got injured .. Does anyone know for how long

the scandal put a road block in us getting any good players last year. i think that if we had not been involved in the scandal than at least 90% of all the players that left juve would have come to milan instead.

besides that...i think i'm only going to watch CL matches from now on 

thanks dst for explaining what a forum is because i didn't have a clue!!
my point about the singing mastermind was even tho the team was losing the fans were still backing the team and i was just saying to those who were going down the "season over, sack carlo blah blah blah" route that perhaps a little more constructive criticism may by be a pleasent change.
everytime we lose it's the same old thing yes i agree we were poor today and the team does need freshening up but we couldn't try and buy players in the summer with the threat of relegation hanging over us after all who'd join?
as mentioned earlier things are different in italy the coach doesn't have the influence as in other countries over transfers so carlo can only work with what he's given hopefully it will be a better squad next season as silvio must realise the the squad needs abit of an overhaul but it's HIS club and HIS money.
but given what he has done for us in the last 20 years i can't see him not doing the required work to his beloved club. until then i will just accept this season as not a vintage year and keep willing on my team in every game and hope those in charge can turn this situation round and we can start to win some games and put as in a better position

does anyone know what this means (in english please!):

TU SEI TUTTA LA MIA VITA

YOU ARE ALL  MY LIFE

thanks dst for explaining what a forum is because i didn't have a clue!!
my point about the singing mastermind was even tho the team was losing the fans were still backing the team and i was just saying to those who were going down the "season over, sack carlo blah blah blah" route that perhaps a little more constructive criticism may by be a pleasent change.
everytime we lose it's the same old thing yes i agree we were poor today and the team does need freshening up but we couldn't try and buy players in the summer with the threat of relegation hanging over us after all who'd join?
as mentioned earlier things are different in italy the coach doesn't have the influence as in other countries over transfers so carlo can only work with what he's given hopefully it will be a better squad next season as silvio must realise the the squad needs abit of an overhaul but it's HIS club and HIS money.
but given what he has done for us in the last 20 years i can't see him not doing the required work to his beloved club. until then i will just accept this season as not a vintage year and keep willing on my team in every game and hope those in charge can turn this situation round and we can start to win some games and put as in a better position

After what happened Juve would never deal with us, they'd rather lose money selling players to other clubs than sell to us. Zambro said his dream move was to Milan but he went to Barca for peanuts because Juve didn't want to deal with us.

i think this could be a blessing in disguise. look i love gattuso and what he does, but he is a one dimensional, he is terrible at attacking but he does the running around thing perfectly and is good at defending when defenders go forward on set pieces, etc. but lately he hasnt been good at much. maybe if it's long term this will force milan to get sumone new in the midfield which i think is just as important as getting new forwards and defenders. i mean many are saying it's cuz of the world cup but look at teams like man u, chelsea, barcelona, inter... they all have plenty of guys who got far at the world cup and they are doing great. what gattuso and pirlo played 2 or 3 more games than some and suddenly they have the excuse to be tired and ineffective every game. Pirlo got a rest before this one, and has had a few rests this season and he hasnt done anything. and no i dont know for how long but i'll check later. i hope it's for a while so it forces us to shake things up and hopefully he'll be back for the knockout round of CL after the winter break.

Man did u go way off ..

When you look at Milan, the players .. They have been playing constantly for the past (i dont know..) say 5-6 yrs at best at the top of their level .. ie playing in several competitions, playing every 3 days etc etc ..

What more do you think the players can do ? I'm sure they can improve, they can play even better and thrash every and any team, cuz this team was the same one that beat Bayern 4-1 Lyon 3-1 last yr ..

You say we need a new DM ? Well, Gennaro isn't that attack minded; but that is logical he is a DM .. Pirlo Kaka Gila Seedorf are enough for us to attack .. Gennaro would be doing us a favor in covering for them

Ok .. I'd like to know when exactly, cuz we dont have anyone to fill his place, Broochi ?! HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!! No I hope sooner rather than later

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

EH EHEH EHE EHE EH EH

WAIT

EVERY TEAM NEEDS A PLAYER LIKE GATTUSO ... HE'S O.K.

THE PROBLEM IS:

THAT WE WANT PIRLO IN A SIMILAR ROLE BUT WE ALSO WANT HIM TO ATTACK FROM BEHIND .......... NOOOOOOOOOOOO

GATTUSO HAS TO BE BEHIND PIRLO ...

WE NEED BETTER AND YOUNGER AND TECHNICAL DEFENDERS ... ESPECIALLY IN THE CORNER SO THAT WE CAN PUT PRESSURE ON THE RIVAL AREA ... WE NEED MORE CROSSES .......... WE NEED THAT BALL GOING INTO THE AREA FROM EVERY PLACE POSSIBLE ...

WE NEED TO PLAY OLIVEIRA ALONG WITH GILARDINO OR WITH INZAGHI ..... NOT GILA WITH INZAGHI ........

WE ALL LIKE SEEDORF ... HE'S AN EXCELLENT MAN ... BUT WHEN HE STICKS IN THAT LEFT SIDE OF THE FIELD ... HE ... WELL .... JUST STAYS THERE ALL DAY LONG ... SOMETIMES IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE HE'S HINDERING HIS TEAMATES ... HE'S NOT CONSISTENT ENOUGH ... THERE ARE DAYS WHEN HE INSANELY ATACKS OPPONENTS WITH HIS STRONG KICK ... AND ... IN OTHER GAMES HE'S JUST LOSING THE BALL ALL DAY LONG ... SORRY

SEEDORF IS NOT DOING HIS JOB.

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

no this is not the same team that beat bayern and lyon, because that team had sheva. and sheva was more then one just player he was our star player. he did everything and anything. and our attack was amazing last year. everyone had their role. now with sheva gone, we figured ok we only have finishers up front so lets just ask more of our midfield and chip in with the attack. but it isnt working cuz a guy like gattuso doesnt not offer anything going forward unlike other Def midfielders that CAN SCORE and act as playmakers take like a viera, dacourt, derossi,marquez... and so on. suddenly you only have a midfield of 3 that has all the pressure on them to create off :pirlo(who 's tired, and out of form), seedorf(whos only getting older, and no motivation against the small teams), and kaka who seems to do most of it by himself. and the two clueless strikers who rely on everyone else. besides just cuz your a DM doesnt mean youi have to completly useless in attack, as far as i'm concerned the only players that dont have to have any responsiblities in attack is the sweeper and the GK. watch other teams play and u'll see defenders and even CB join in the attack and thats why we are so predictable right now.

Your right about the Shevchenko thing, I think it's common knowledge by now .. But, still, it is the same attack ! Ofcourse with the weight of Shevchenko we'd be more dangerous going forward, but with the likes of Inzaghi, Gila, Oli, Kaka .. We still are dangerous and ALL the teams we play against have to defend well, thus playing a catanatio like formation. Or do you think that without Shevchenko, we are not able to match Bayern or Lyon ?!
Gattuso ? It depends on how you play football, if ur Arsenal, Barcelona, etc then yes you need an all round MDfielder, but Milan plays differently .. We play with 3 #10's up front ( Pirlo, Seedorf, and Kaka ..) and with that, u need someone to defuse a counter attack .. Who else but Gattuso ? Anyways, u have Broochi who plays better than Gattuso up front, and u got ur wish Gattuso will be out for a while now, so lets see how it goes for ur theory.

In those matches Sheva was practically invisable in both save for his goal moments, especially in the Lyon match.

I'm sorry but that's just b/s. Sheva was pratically our best player last season, and together with Kakà and Inzaghi we had the best attack of Europe. You can't say he was invisible in those matches, it's insane. He scored a header and gave the assist to Kakà for the 4th goal against Bayern, he pratically scored two goals against Lyon considering our second goal was 70% Sheva's merits. Our attack is not the same without him, he was our leader, our bomber, a living legend. He even wore Paolo's captain band most of the season. We miss, we enormously miss him. That's the truth.

I'm sorry but that's just b/s. Sheva was pratically our best player last season, and together with Kakà and Inzaghi we had the best attack of Europe. You can't say he was invisible in those matches, it's insane. He scored a header and gave the assist to Kakà for the 4th goal against Bayern, he pratically scored two goals against Lyon considering our second goal was 70% Sheva's merits. Our attack is not the same without him, he was our leader, our bomber, a living legend. He even wore Paolo's captain band most of the season. We miss, we enormously miss him. That's the truth.

I wasn't mentioning the whole season!

In those macthes, the Lyon oone especially he only came alive in the last few minutes.

I never said we don't miss him! Ofcourse we do! More then I even thought we would.

I was singling out 2 particular matches not the whole season!