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Portman
Donadoni is going nowhere calling players like Semioli... rolleyes.gif

Del Piero, Nesta, Totti, Camoranesi, Luca Toni... obviously should be there.

PS: Scolari, as always, fcked up and Portugal drew against the poweful Finland rolleyes.gif . Without Figo there, little Cristiano feels like a Holywood superstar... what a c_nt. We're going nowhere. Specially having 1 decent defender (Meira, Miguel and J.Andrade are injuried).
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 7 2006, 08:12 PM)
Donadoni is going nowhere calling players like Semioli...  rolleyes.gif

Del Piero, Nesta, Totti, Camoranesi, Luca Toni... obviously should be there.

PS: Scolari, as always, fcked up and Portugal drew against the poweful Finland  rolleyes.gif . Without Figo there, little Cristiano feels like a Holywood superstar... what a c_nt. We're going nowhere. Specially having 1 decent defender (Meira, Miguel and J.Andrade are injuried).
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Nesta was injured when he made his call ups and Totti is still 'thinking about it'. He didn't call Luca Toni because he hasn't even played a match except for a couple of friendlies and would be totally out of form and I don't really see what difference he would have made. Gila and Pippo both did their job, they scored, not enough but they still scored. Italy got screwed up in that Lithuania game, so many missed chances that could have assured them the 3 points, now they are seriously looking at not qualifying at all if they continue this way.

And I didn't see the portugal match but I have seen C.Ronaldo enough times to know how he is especially when he feels like he is the big star in the team, so I'll keep the portugal NT in my prayers because you'll need it.
Portman
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 7 2006, 09:48 PM)
And I didn't see the portugal match but I have seen C.Ronaldo enough times to know how he is especially when he feels like he is the big star in the team, so I'll keep the portugal NT in my prayers because you'll need it.
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Figo is a great player. But, in Portugal NT he was more than that. He was the leader.

Now, there's no big leader... there are some old big names like Costinha (Atletico Madrid), Nuno Gomes (Benfica)... but no one that can be "respected" as Figo and Rui Costa were.

That's a problem then. rolleyes.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 7 2006, 02:44 PM)
I think it's a bit of both, Donadoni I think will become a great coach in time, but he is a bit inexperianced, and people have to take into account how hard it is for the coach to motivate some of the players that are on that team especially the ones that used to play for Juve and our players, they have won everything their is to win in football, and it's normalfor them to feel unchallanged now that they have won everything
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And this is why they must have somone around who exactly knows what to do and acts instantly...As Zvone Boban recently said, young coaches should be given chances, but not on the national level. First they must get some experience in the big clubs and european cups, then maybe as NC. I think it is very clear...Donadoni should not have been appointed as Italy coach, at least not in this moment..
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 7 2006, 09:59 PM)
Figo is a great player. But, in Portugal NT he was more than that. He was the leader.

Now, there's no big leader... there are some old big names like Costinha (Atletico Madrid), Nuno Gomes (Benfica)... but no one that can be "respected" as Figo and Rui Costa were.

That's a problem then. rolleyes.gif
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Agree, I had forgotten that Figo had retired, I gues the golden generation had to come to an end sometime, just sad that they didn't manage to win anything during that time.
Portman
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 7 2006, 10:17 PM)
Agree, I had forgotten that Figo had retired, I gues the golden generation had to come to an end sometime, just sad that they didn't manage to win anything during that time.
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Golden generation... I don't like that name. Why? Because we won ZERO with that super-golden gen.

But we've now good players too. For the future: C.Ronaldo, Quaresma, Manuel Fernandes, Nelson, Moutinho, Hugo Almeida, Nani, Bruno Vale, Moreira, Vaz Te, Carlos Martins... good and young players mixed with some middle-aged Simão, R.Carvalho, Miguel, J.Andrade, Deco... a good team in the end. But hey, we're a little country (bad for commercial reasons, etc), with or without the "golden tag" we'll never win anything.
dst
QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 7 2006, 12:35 AM)
Poor San Marino...
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Bad bad Germany!!!! You should have shown some respect to the poor guys!!! They are all amateurs, football is not their job!!! Only one of them lives from football and you go like scoring a bunch of goals ... Shame on you!!!! mad.gif biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 7 2006, 11:12 PM)
Without Figo there, little Cristiano feels like a Holywood superstar... what a c_nt.
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CR ... why is he always - EVERY F@CKING SINGLE TIME - doing that trick moving his feet above the ball???
At least now that Figo's out, Gomes plays ... rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 8 2006, 01:42 AM)
But we've now good players too. For the future: C.Ronaldo, Quaresma, Manuel Fernandes, Nelson ....
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dst
On the France vs Italy game ...

1. France were the better side. They should have won!!

2. Well done FIFA!!!! Paolo have the balls to speak and Blatter goes hidden behind his refs again!!!! You're not worth spitting to. you disgusting b@stard!!! You think of 10 things a day ... 11 out of them are PURE BULLSH1T!!!!.
First goal was offside, Italy got something like 5 out of 100 fouls while France 10000000000000000000000000 out of 20, Vieira was not sent-off for intentionaly hitting Gila and not even a yellow for some dozens of other tough marks, Gila gets booked (at rights - it was a clear dive) while Malouda don't ....

3. Sacchi was right: Donadoni's not ready!! I believed in him for I always liked his work as a player and a coach but (even though he's not the only one to blame) he's doing it all wrong!!! Semioli ... MY GOD!!! Bad set up and no motivation!!!

4. I'm waiting for the rematch in Rome. Then, Italy will be ready too cause now only Milan's players (not even Zambro or Canna) were ready ... and even them not for that level while Senegal ... errr France were 100% fit!!!

5. two days before the game I remember Henry saying something about cameras, that refs should check the replay to see if everything's legal on a goal ... ":cry: Arsenal wouldn't have lost the CL final cry.gif" ... I didn't hear complaining now you b1tch ... do you want the first goal disallowed!!!???You pathetic, disgarceful b1tch!!!! You're the biggest pu$$y ever!!!!

6. Buffon 5 / Zambrotta 5 / Cannavaro 6 / Barzagli 5 (a good performance with the NT at last!!!) / Grosso 0 / Semioli -3 (he was given the no.7 ohmy.gif ) Pirlo 6.5 / Gattuso 5 / Perrotta 0 (he was there for sure??? unsure.gif ) / Cassano 1 / Gila 7 MOM for Italy
Di Michele impressed me (for a sub) !!! Donadoni 3


edit: Oh and ... France proved once again (as in the WC) that they got a better defence than the Italians'!!!!
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Sep 8 2006, 09:09 AM)
On the France vs Italy game ...

1. France were the better side. They should have won!!

2. Well done FIFA!!!! Paolo have the balls to speak and Blatter goes hidden behind his refs again!!!! You're not worth spitting to. you disgusting b@stard!!! You think of 10 things a day ... 11 out of them are PURE BULLSH1T!!!!.
First goal was offside, Italy got something like 5 out of 100 fouls while France 10000000000000000000000000 out of 20, Vieira was not sent-off for intentionaly hitting Gila and not even a yellow for some dozens of other tough marks, Gila gets booked (at rights - it was a clear dive) while Malouda don't ....

3. Sacchi was right: Donadoni's not ready!! I believed in him for I always liked his work as a player and a coach but (even though he's not the only one to blame) he's doing it all wrong!!! Semioli ... MY GOD!!! Bad set up and no motivation!!!

4. I'm waiting for the rematch in Rome. Then, Italy will be ready too cause now only Milan's players (not even Zambro or Canna) were ready ... and even them not for that level while Senegal ... errr France were 100% fit!!!

5. two days before the game I remember Henry saying something about cameras, that refs should check the replay to see if everything's legal on a goal ... ":cry: Arsenal wouldn't have lost the CL final cry.gif" ... I didn't hear complaining now you b1tch ... do you want the first goal disallowed!!!???You pathetic, disgarceful b1tch!!!! You're the biggest pu$$y ever!!!!

6. Buffon 5 / Zambrotta 5 / Cannavaro 6 / Barzagli 5 (a good performance with the NT at last!!!) / Grosso 0 / Semioli -3 (he was given the no.7  ohmy.gif ) Pirlo 6.5 / Gattuso 5 / Perrotta 0 (he was there for sure???  unsure.gif ) / Cassano 1 / Gila 7 MOM for Italy
Di Michele impressed me (for a sub) !!! Donadoni 3
edit: Oh and ... France proved once again (as in the WC) that they got a better defence than the Italians'!!!!
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Everthing you said is the complete truth.

btw I can't wait to see how Cannavaro plays this season for Real, I'm very curios if he will be the 'inter Cannavaro' that would be funny.

And you're right The French deserved to win it by how they played, but the refereeing was total cr@p, it was so obvious how everything was going France's way, at least they should have been more subtle about it for god's sake. Blattar should take some tips from Moggi
Portman
As I said before... Perrotta is no player for the NT. rolleyes.gif
misha
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Italy's World Cup manager rules out supervisor role, backs successor

MILAN, Italy (AP) -Italy's World Cup champion manager Marcello Lippi ruled out a supervisory role with the national team on Thursday and gave his backing to new coach Roberto Donadoni.

"I will never be a supervisor of the national team because it is not my profession,'' Lippi said. "I am sure Donadoni will bring the best out of the players.''

 

Lippi stepped down as boss of Italy after guiding the Azzurri to the World Cup title in July. But his replacement, Donadoni, has yet to win in three games, prompting Italian soccer federation head Guido Rossi to reportedly consider bringing back the former Juventus coach as a supervisor.

Italy lost its first game under Donadoni 2-1 to Croatia in a friendly in August. The World champion's poor form continued with a draw at home to Lithuania and a 3-1 loss to France in its opening qualifying games for the 2008 European Championship earlier this month.

But Lippi supported Donadoni despite Italy's results.

"I respect him a lot,'' Lippi said. "I am convinced that he will establish a bond with the players. This group will start to play well again.''

Lippi, who previously has mentioned of a return to club coaching, said that he was in no hurry to get back to work.

"At the moment I am still enjoying the aftermath of the World Cup, which I believe will last a bit of time yet,'' Lippi said. "I have received calls from non-Italian clubs, but I didn't go to speak with the directors.''

Lippi was touted as a possible successor to Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson during the World Cup, but denied the reports at the time, saying that his English wasn't good enough.

However the 58-year-old has been taking language lessons.

"At the moment, my English is a little bit better,'' Lippi said.

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arivanjj
Donadoni considered quitting!

Roberto Donadoni has admitted that he was tempted to quit as Italy Coach after enduring a difficult start to life on the Azzurri bench.

The Nazionale obtained a draw with Lithuania and was then defeated 3-1 in the World Cup Final repeat with France in Paris, leaving the qualifiers with Ukraine and Georgia as must-win games.

“I spoke to the CONI chief Gianni Petrucci and told him that I was willing to resign, but he explained what his ideas were and in the end we agreed on the future plans,” said Donadoni in Coverciano, where the squad is gathered in view of Saturday’s match with Ukraine at the Stadio Olimpico in Rome.

“There were also rumours suggesting that I may be axed, but I must confess that I felt total support from the Federation – this flattered me and motivated me even more.

“We are aware that Saturday we will have to give our all and remain concentrated, because this is a decisive match and we must win.”

Reports suggest that the Stadio Olimpico may not be totally supportive of the world champions, but the former Livorno tactician doesn’t think this will be the case.

“I don’t see why the Roman supporters would be hostile towards us,” he continued.

“We chose Rome in recognition of Italy’s capital and in order to honour a Roma player [Francesco Totti], who for many reasons will not be part of the match.”

The former Milan winger, yet to win any of his three games in charge, also dismissed reports that Antonio Cassano had been omitted from the squad given his unpopular status within the Giallorossi fan base in the city.

"Cassano was left out for other reasons," he stated when asked about the Real Madrid ace whom he hailed as the future of his Azzurri side only last month.

"People can consider my call-ups in any way they wish. I may take backwards or sideward steps, but my decisions are based on form and that is why I didn't name my squad until late last night [10.30pm local time].

"But nobody has been thrown out, the doors to the national side are always open."

Alex Del Piero will make his return to the Nazionale, along with Luca Toni, and is thrilled of the new opportunity he has been given.

"I am very glad to return and I can’t wait to go onto the pitch,” said the Juve captain.

“It’s exciting to return as a world champion, we must focus on the next two games that are decisive for our qualification to the European Championship.”


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misha
Van Nistelrooy and Van Bommel reject call-ups

Two Dutch players, Ruud van Nistelrooy (Real Madrid) and Mark van Bommel (Bayern Munich) rejected today's call-ups for the Euro qualifiers against Bulgaria and Albania.

Van Bommel was originally named for the suqad by Marco van Basten whereas Ruud was meant to be a replacement for Klaus Jan Huntelaar (who is injured). These were another controversial moves, considering the fact that Van Basten called Van Nistelrooy over the weekend trying to convince the Real star to accept the call-up.

In addition, Van Bommel decided to end his carrer in the national team
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bigmacmtl
i think van bommel has no choice but to retire from international football or he can get suspended from club football. i bet he's doing that so he can avoid van basten, and if in the future someone else takes over he'll offer his services again.
Portman
Will Italy beat Ukraine next Saturday? They cannot lose more points. rolleyes.gif

Go Azzurri!
arivanjj
NESTA vs. Sheva devil.gif
GULLIVER
QUOTE (arivanjj @ Oct 3 2006, 02:30 PM)
NESTA vs. Sheva  devil.gif
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one of them won't be there cool.gif again.
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Oct 3 2006, 10:18 AM)
Will Italy beat Ukraine next Saturday? They cannot lose more points. rolleyes.gif

Go Azzurri!
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It's hard to say, so far they have been pityful, Cannavar was making more stupid mistakes, then Barzagli, and he is supposed to be the one leading the defensive line, hopefully with Nesta back and in good form, the defence will be back in shape.

Semioli or who ever the hell it was that played in the match against France should not play, that idiot can't even run with the ball or hold it for longer then a few seconds.

And I don't understand why he dropped Cassano and Gila, both where the most Impressive players in the matches they played, along with Pippo, Rino and Pirlo. If Donadoni wants the team to establish some sort of chemistry between eachother, he shouldn't keep changing the call ups all the time.

Maybe some of you where right, when they said that he wasn't ready to take such a big job. I wish Lippi would have stayed sad.gif

QUOTE (GULLIVER @ Oct 3 2006, 02:41 PM)
one of them won't be there  cool.gif  again.
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Wheren't they both called up?? unsure.gif
dst
Semioli ?? Wow he was so ;ame I had already forgotten him ... I hope I won't have to put up with his pathetic display once again !!

Van Bommel ?? That joke is a disgrace for the Dutch NT and I wish he had never been called up in the first place !! puke.gif
misha
What is Van Basten do to them? I'm still disappointed for not seeing Seedorf in the WC
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 4 2006, 02:38 AM)
What is Van Basten do to them? I'm still disappointed for not seeing Seedorf in the WC
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No Marco wants a young team .. I trust Marco, the Dutch havent won anything in a looooooooooong time .. And I think he is making the right steps forward, this time around I hope Holland can do something .. Not cuz I root for them, but cuz they have a very capable team, play beutiful football, but unfortunatly luck isnt on their sides.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 3 2006, 06:52 PM)
No Marco wants a young team .. I trust Marco, the Dutch havent won anything in a looooooooooong time .. And I think he is making the right steps forward, this time around I hope Holland can do something .. Not cuz I root for them, but cuz they have a very capable team, play beutiful football, but unfortunatly luck isnt on their sides.
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I think Van Basten was a extraordinary player, but he is a weak coach. His line ups and subs were sometimes simply just laughble...
arivanjj
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 4 2006, 12:48 PM)
I think Van Basten was a extraordinary player, but he is a weak coach. His line ups and subs were sometimes simply just laughble...
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i agree, i don't know why he didn't select Seedorf and Stam for the WorldCup...
han2503
QUOTE (arivanjj @ Oct 4 2006, 04:47 AM)
i agree, i don't know why he didn't select Seedorf and Stam for the WorldCup...
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Stam retired from the national taem. But i agree at least seedorf should have been called up, if you want to win a tournament like the world cup you need to have SOME experianced players
dst
yes but Seedorf had not shown any signs of passion last season ...
misha
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 01:31 PM)
yes but Seedorf had not shown any signs of passion last season ...
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Maybe ,but they needed player like him there
dst
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 4 2006, 03:42 PM)
Maybe ,but they needed player like him there
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to fire them up ?? rolleyes.gif
IMO it was the right decision by MVB because last season was a WC one ... he should have tried more to earn a place in the NT squad and not just rely on his name !!
misha
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 02:49 PM)
to fire them up ??  rolleyes.gif
IMO it was the right decision by MVB because last season was a WC one ... he should have tried more to earn a place in the NT squad and not just rely on his name !!
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It was never about his ability it was personal
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 4 2006, 05:48 AM)
I think Van Basten was a extraordinary player, but he is a weak coach. His line ups and subs were sometimes simply just laughble...
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Well, a weak coach is far off, but I get where your coming from .. He is inexperienced .. smile.gif .. True, but I mean Marco Van Basten got through the most difficult group stage in the WC .. Not any manager can turn to luck when he has opponents such as Cote D'Ivore, Argentina, and Serbia (well ok not Serbia, but still...) .. And he did that with the line ups you were talking about, the subs, etc .. Plus, as some have already stated, without the experience of Seedorf and others.

So you see, if MVB can get his young team through the group stages of the WC, then he has done great for an inexperienced coach, such as himself. And as the Dutch football federation still have him as the coach, I think he can turn the tide for them.
dst
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 4 2006, 03:53 PM)
It was never about his ability it was personal
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Come on now ... personal ??? Seedorf was playing mediocre last year and that's what MVB's decision was based on !! Personal my @ss ... I wouldn't have chosen him too. You know very well to defend ES but you are quick to accuse MVB of putting personal choices over the team's good !!

Well done ... keep up your fairness !!
misha
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 03:01 PM)
Come on now ... personal ??? Seedorf was playing mediocre last year and that's what MVB's decision was based on !! Personal my @ss ... I wouldn't have chosen him too. You know very well to defend ES but you are quick to accuse MVB of putting personal choices over the team's good !!

Well done ... keep up your fairness !!
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It's a well known fact that they just don't get along.
I'm just saying what I have heard and there is no connection between the two things. MVB was one of my favorites players .
misha
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 03:01 PM)
I wouldn't have chosen him too.
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Almost every other coach would have choose him .Do yoy honestly believe that he doesn't deserve to be in 23 player squad?
dst
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 4 2006, 04:06 PM)
It's a well known fact that they just don't get along.
I'm just saying what I have heard and there is no connection between the two things. MVB was one of my favorites players .
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I don't like him as a coach but IMO it is unfair to say such a thing for him. It's also probably only something that the media came up with !! What's known though (Bergkamp siad so) is that most players and MVB in personal did not get along well with Robben, still he was in the squad cause he was playing good all season long ... I don't think anyone selected was chosen after personal liking ... maybe some were left out while they could have been there but IMO everyone deserved to be there (besides Van puke.gif Bommel), there's no room for all.
dst
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 4 2006, 04:11 PM)
Almost every other coach would have choose him .Do yoy honestly believe that he doesn't deserve to be in 23 player squad?
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Thats' what I'm saying there ... IMO it's not about deserving it, you have to earn your place every time and Seedorf did not seem to care enough so ...
misha
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 03:15 PM)
Thats' what I'm saying there ... IMO it's not about deserving it, you have to earn your place every time and Seedorf did not seem to care enough so ...
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He new already that he is not gonna be there. He wasn't in the qualifying or friendly matches before.
Acording to what I know, there were always feuds in the dutch NT and he wanted to throw out some players(Seedorf ,Davids...) in order to make good environment in the team .
dst
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 4 2006, 04:24 PM)
He new already that he is not gonna be there. He wasn't in the qualifying or friendly matches before. 
Acording to what I know, there were always feuds in the dutch NT and he wanted to  throw out some players(Seedorf ,Davids...) in order to make good environment in the team .
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he did not have a good season before the last one as well ... but whatever we don't know !!
misha
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 03:28 PM)
he did not have a good season before the last one as well ... but whatever we don't know !!
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But don't you think it's a little bit strange that during MVB time in the NT he didn't got even one chance to play there?
dst
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 4 2006, 04:31 PM)
But don't you think it's a little bit strange that during MVB time in the NT he didn't got even one chance to play there?
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No
misha
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 03:34 PM)
Van Basten the 50s revivalist?

August saw 82-year old Faas Wilkes die.
He was the first real international Dutch star, a prolific striker for Internazionale and Valencia in the early fifties. Wilkes was one of a handful of internationals who escaped domestic football and its amateur structure. The price these legionnaires paid was exclusion from playing for their country. In those days the Dutch FA (KNVB) chose to ban all professionals from their ranks.


When Wilkes left for Italy in the summer of 1949 the Dutch team had lost only once in two years. In the next five Holland won just four times and did not even enter qualification for the World Cup as they were afraid of an embarrasment.

When the KNVB were forced to embrace professionalism in 1954 the legionnaires could make their return in the national team. It took another twenty years to make a decent impression on international football.

At the funeral of Faas Wilkes the current chairman of the KNVB, Joe Sprengers, apologised for the ban: 'The KNVB were obsessed with amateurism at the time. We should have acted differently and feel sorry for Faas Wilkes. Dutch football fans were denied his great talents in the national team during the years he played abroad. We were wrong.'

Maybe in another half-a-century a chairman will speak to gathered mourners and apologise that the then deceased ex-Barcelona/Real/Inter or Milan-star was banned from several big tournaments.

'Sorry for our appointment of Marco van Basten,' his words might be. 'We were wrong.'

What is with this coach? As soon as Dutch star players take up a contract in a city more than an hour's flight away, their place in the squad is in jeopardy. You may have won three Champions Leagues (Seedorf), just one (Davids and Van Bommel) or been a topscorer of a big league abroad (Makaay and van Nistelrooy), but that does not mean you get the nod over the likes of Martijn Meerdink, Theo Janssen or Demi de Zeeuw.

Seedorf has never had a look in since Van Basten started, while Davids and Makaay had infrequent call-ups until last year. 'Big names are not necessarily big players,' Van Basten once said.

Mark van Bommel and Ruud van Nistelrooy are the latest victims. The surprising omissions gobsmacked the entire Dutch press who had not believed the rumours that went around over the summer. Van Basten is not one to explain much of his selection criteria but he seems to be averse to older players at big clubs.

If it was not confusing enough, Johan Derksen then published a column in his magazine Voetbal International on the day Holland played Ireland, telling his readers that Van Basten is no top coach and has made several big errors over his two years in charge.

Derksen is the editor of Holland's only football weekly, a pundit in two television talk shows on football every weekend and a self-proclaimed friend of Johan Cruyff. His opinion counts in the Dutch football world.

In this critical piece Derksen burned Van Basten to the ground for his treatment of the old guard. Why would Derksen suddenly turn against the coach?

Some say that Van Basten is out of control and not listening to the great Cruyff any more. To regain his influence over squad selection the former captain has apparently instructed Derksen to slight his protege in a magazine which is one of the best selling periodicals in the country. As history shows, Cruyff likes to use the press to put his points forward.

While thousands of readers were glancing over the vitriolic content of the mag's backpage column that night, the subject of the mud-slinging was smiling modestly all over their televisions while celebrating a 4-0 victory at Landsdowne Road. His starless team had just ripped Ireland to pieces.

Debutant Stijn Schaars of AZ played a blinder as a link-up between defence and attack to give the team control in midfield. Therefore Rafael van der Vaart could concentrate on his delivery to the strikers, especially Klaas-Jan Huntelaar.

Huntelaar is a different player than latest galactico Van Nistelrooy. At the World Cup Van Nistelrooy suffered through the antics of Arjen Robben and Robin van Persie, who hardly gave him a decent ball.

Impatience made him run into holes and back again, offside and onside to somewhere in midfield and then on the wings. The result was that Ruud was usually everywhere on the pitch except in the right place at the right time to score.

Van Basten choose to keep the wingers in his team and sacrificed his former top scorer to exchange him for a striker who would be more suited to playing between the Robben-van Persie-tandem. At the World Cup Dirk Kuyt turned out not to be that man as he sank without trace in the second round match against Portugal.

Then in Dublin Huntelaar got his chance and succeeded. The Ajax frontman has that rare calm not to be bothered when he is not involved in the game.


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Klaas-Jan Huntelaar did much to curb the brickbats aimed at Van Basten.He won't drop in midfield to get a touch of the ball or make unnecessary runs just to show he is around. Just wait and wait and wait, until the smallest of chances arrives and bang...it is a goal. A nightmare for a defender who thinks he has Huntelaar under control. Two goals and two assists were the quite sensational facts of his international debut. Another feelgood story in Van Basten's trial-and-error regime.


Of the sixteen players that Van Basten put on the pitch in Dublin only four have spent more than one season abroad.

It looked almost a 50's revival with this strengthened Eredivisie XI. But not for long.

Since the Ireland game André Ooijer, Dirk Kuyt and Joris Mathijsen have signed for clubs in the UK and Germany.

So while Van Basten may have made some errors and wrong turns recently, there is no denying that he has helped a string of seemingly mediocre clubmen not only to caps but also to the lucrative foreign transfer they always hoped for.

Khalid Boulahrouz tops the charts with his incredible transfer to Chelsea; he was an ordinary mid-table kicker at the time of Euro 2004.

Van Basten selected him and he was soon off to the Bundesliga and now to the Premier League. All these transfers have filled the coffers of a large number of Dutch clubs. And that can't be a bad thing. 

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Rossoneri7
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'Big names are not necessarily big players,' Van Basten once said.


What more can I add to that ... king.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 4 2006, 05:11 PM)
What more can I add to that ...  king.gif
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Yeah but all 'big names' mentioned above are big players as well !!!
LaPalma
Haha...the Dutch and their NT...I'm really waiting for the moment they make use of their huge potential of great players, but I guess that just won't happen...
dst
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Oct 4 2006, 05:32 PM)
Haha...the Dutch and their NT...I'm really waiting for the moment they make use of their huge potential of great players, but I guess that just won't happen...
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Hey you could be more discreet, it hurts to remind me so ... sad.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 03:34 PM)
Hey you could be more discreet, it hurts to remind me so ...  sad.gif
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Why should I be discreet? There is some certain person in this forum that always reminds of some certain Semi Final in some certain WC in some certain country called Germany unsure.gif
dst
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Oct 4 2006, 05:37 PM)
Why should I be discreet? There is some certain person in this forum that always reminds of some certain Semi Final in some certain WC in some certain country called Germany unsure.gif
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He he !! biggrin.gif well I said you could be more discreet, not should ... cool.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 05:27 PM)
Yeah but all 'big names' mentioned above are big players as well !!!
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I hope ur implying big as in age or size ... tongue.gif j/k

Ofcourse they r big players, they all made history for themselves, but they are not what MVB needs to suceed !

I remember in the previous EURO, when Makaay was playing as a winger (I was so fond of Makaay, at the time..), I kept questioning why didnt he come on as a forward?! I mean that is his position, but TBH, Makaay really excelled in that position. The point is, some decisions could differ from what we precieve as the right one, but each coach knows his player's ability and what he wants from them ..

If Seedorf, Van Nistrooy, etc .. arent good enough for MVB, maybe its to do with his tactics .. Maybe it's to do with building a new team, where big names wont get you any guarentees, which might bring higher motivation into the Dutch team. Who knows ..

The moral from all this, is no matter how famous you are, that wont cut you any slack; thus Big names are not necessarily big players ..
dst
It's simple as this: MVB wants to build his team in a certain way thus if you don't fit you are off, he's not adjusting anything in order to squeeze whoever in it!!
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 05:46 PM)
It's simple as this: MVB wants to build his team in a certain way thus if you don't fit you are off, he's not adjusting anything in order to squeeze whoever in it!!
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LaPalma
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Surgery For Borussia's Jansen 
Borussia Mönchengladbach defender Marcel Jansen will undergo surgery on his right knee in Cologne on Friday.

Earlier this week, the 20-year-old national team player had to pull out of Joachim Löw's squad for Saturday's friendly with Slovakia. He sustained a torn outer meniscus during Saturday's Bundesliga game with Werder Bremen. He will travel to Cologne on Thursday Jansen for an examination by knee Specialist Dr. Peter Schäferhoff, and on Friday he will undergo arthroscopic surgery.


Nooo...we're running out of defenders...
Jack Sparrow
Not that they did u a lot of good in the WC semis...

I'am sooooooo EVIL devil.gif
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