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han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 18 2021, 05:28 PM) *
We just need to start building that new stadium ASAP at this point. It's going to make a world of difference.

Renewal news:
- Raiola met with Maldini today at Casa Milan. He said that for both Romagnoli and Ibrahimovic anything is possible.
- Pioli's renewal is expected to be announced soon. 3M + bonuses until 2024 (from 2M actual).
- Leao, Theo and Bennacer's renewals are also imminent. Plan is to sign them before Christmas.

I'm very unsure about keeping Zlatan for another year. I think the guy is at his limit, and if we wanna develop a more modern and dynamic football to compete in the CL next season we need fresh players upfront. Someone like that Alvarez kind for example.

Personally, I wouldn't renew it. Bring a top CF upfront. Have Giroud as second choice for another season. Maybe bring back Colombo (who's doing well in Serie cool.gif as third option.

Great news about the renewals.

Seems like Kessie will be the only one lost. I really hope the management has a plan for replacing him. I think best scenario would be to get Kamara in January and sit Kessie for the rest of the season and only use him as needed

Re Zlatan, I'd give him that extension in a heartbeat, no questions asked. He gives more to this team than just his on-pitch performances. Signing him on for another year does not mean we'd let a good opportunity like Alvarez go. If the will is there to get him, we'll get him, even with Zlatan and Giroud in the roster. It all depends on how much money River will want and how many other clubs will want him.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 18 2021, 08:07 PM) *
Audi? We never had a sponsorship with Audi. We had Opel but we lost them because Opel was on the verge of bankruptcy.

As for Ibrahimović, I really think he's aware of his limits. We might sign a cheaper deal with him and also bear in mind that keeping Ibra will be a good magnet for players like Vlahović who already consider him an idol or are being named as his heirs.

Audi were our road partner for years, Opel were the main shirt sponsor. They provided cars and such to the club like BMW now do. We lost Audi after the Chinese took over if I am not mistaken

Vlahovic is out of the question imo
X-Offender
But you guys really think Zlatan will accept to be 2nd/3rd choice? Not sure his ego will permit that.

Anyway, I really hope we sign this Alvarez kid. His release clause is 20M or 25M if he's signed in the last 5 days of the signing window. I don't think you can find someone good and promising for that fee in Europe nowadays where even a nobody like Vlahovic costs +50M.

Last I read Juve made an offer of 25M payable in two years, which River declined as they want the full 20M in cash immediately.
X-Offender
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PSG management has already met with Kessie's entourage on several occasions to inquire about his sporting and financial requests. PSG is in a good position to find a prior agreement with the agent of the former Atalanta player, despite the great competition in the case. Another indication that suggests his departure: the Ivorian international has been looking to sell his home in Milan for a few weeks now.

FootMercato


I hope he fails miserably wherever his goes.

But I really don't understand this decision to sign for PSG. I'm not only referring to Kessie, but to other players as well. You're going to a farmer's league with zero competition and an environment filled with such big egos that you'll just be a nobody. The only incentive is to fight for the Champions League, but that is such a remote possibility that's not even worth it. Is Kessie so thirsty for money? I really don't get it.
Fillipo Simone
It's really that hard to figure?
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 18 2021, 10:33 PM) *
I hope he fails miserably wherever his goes.

But I really don't understand this decision to sign for PSG. I'm not only referring to Kessie, but to other players as well. You're going to a farmer's league with zero competition and an environment filled with such big egos that you'll just be a nobody. The only incentive is to fight for the Champions League, but that is such a remote possibility that's not even worth it. Is Kessie so thirsty for money? I really don't get it.

Don't understand eihter

Donna is already whinging.

Wijnaldum is also unhappy, not to mention, I really do think that's a toxic club to play for. The Mbappe BS is enough to put me off by itself

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 18 2021, 10:35 PM) *
It's really that hard to figure?

For someone who's about to his his peak years to potentially go there and sit for the majority of the season when you can easily earn good money elsewhere, it still makes no sense to me. We're offering him a very good deal imo, an EPL team can offer him something even better, yet he could potentially go to PSG... Just makes no sense to me, even if he ends up getting 3m more.
X-Offender
Yes, indeed. The guy is only 24, he can earn the big bucks when he gets 33 in a Chinese/US/Arab team. If he was negotiating with a Premier League club I would (sorta) understand. But to waste your peak moment in a degenerate reality like PSG is truly mind-boggling.

His agent in particular seems like a Raiola type tw@t. I think players nowadays get swayed way too easily by their agents, who push for a free-agent move because that would secure them fat commissions. Even the FIFA president talked about it some days ago, saying football agents earn too much and something has to be done about it. Not that FIFA per se are ones to talk, but still, you get the picture.
Rossoneri7
Think the Kessie issue will be resolved, he will most likely leave Milan.

As to his destination, I don't blame these players. They have achieved a market value and they will only know their worth until they are placed on the market. When Kessie?s agent says 9M, im pretty sure there is a club out there that has presented such a figure to them. These players have finite years in their legs to perform at their best and they want to cash in for when they retire.

My idol Shevchenko, left Milan for Chelsea. Back when Chelsea was the PSG of the time, and he secured himself and his family something noteworthy. These players also are looking out for the same. With the exception of the Turk, never liked him from day one.

Thats my piece on it anyway.
X-Offender
Shevchenko left for Chelsea when he was 30, after having played 7 seasons for us and having won everything there is to win. It was a new stimulus move, even though it badly backfired for him in the end. And don't forget he didn't leave for free, but made us earn 45M from his move, which was an insane figure at the time.

Kessie, just like Dollarumma and Capanoglu, is being an ungrateful c@nt. We sticked with him at his lowest, elevated him to his best levels, and now after one great season he thinks he's Rijkaard, asking astronomical figures, and "threatening" to leave for free if we don't satisfy his demands. He can f@ck off as far as I'm concerned.

I've been saying this for a while and I will always keep saying it: NO PLAYER IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB.
Fillipo Simone
Degenerate reality? You guys are pushing it to the limits.

PSG is a top club. PSG lacks exactly what Kessie offers. The club guarantees you silverware (French league and cups for most years) and a nice paycheck. You get a shot, a real shot (not "remote possibility" - which is a laughable understatement) at winning the Champions league. You get to play with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe. You live in Paris and not Doha, Southampton or Manchester.

And best of all - you can leave after 2 years and still play in the EPL after you've won a bunch of trophies.
X-Offender
PSG is a top club in a farmer's league. The French title is as important as the Albanian title as things stand right now.

Mbappe is leaving at the end of the season precisely for that reason (his own words).

The Champions League? Yes, they have a shot, but you're competing with so many other giants that your chances of winning it are remote. It's possible, not probable.

The only incentive is money. But like I said, you can earn that money by playing in the best league in the world (EPL) AND compete for the CL as well. But insofar from alle the report we've read his agent is negotiating only with PSG because to them 9M/season for a player is no problem at all. Other clubs, even in the EPL, would have to think twice before signing such a fat contract.

And you're forgetting the most important thing of all: Kessie IS NOT that good. He's not a top player, so his demands really make no sense to me.
Fillipo Simone
Precisely my point. Kessie is not THAT good. That's why PSG is a thing for him.

But you're just full of understatements and simplifications, so I'll let you wondering why he ever would join PSG.

One more last thing: it's quite easy to make these decisions when you're not involved or even near that kind of money. When it becomes real, reality does often does not look as degenerate as you think.
X-Offender
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So many players underestimate where they are. You have to make a career-related choice, then the money comes over time. I see Milan growing and I?m happy to see a point of reference like Maldini who helps everyone grow with the right mentality. I hope Kessie realises where he is and makes a career-related choice, not money.


You know who said that? None other than Clarence Seedorf (link). A legend. Someone who's been there, done that, and knows everything.

You see, I'm not just blurting stuff out because it's not my livelihood that depends on it. There are principles and moral choices that we all have to adhere to. Those who choose money over everything else are simply sellouts.

Kessie is choosing money over his career. That's why he's joining PSG. There is nothing else. Not prestige, not trophies, not anything else. Just money.
Fillipo Simone
Kessie is no Seedorf. He does not got the talent, the charisma nor the brains of Clarence Seedorf.

And also, it was much easier for Seedorf to say these things because he won the CL already twice with Ajax and Real. So it's a completely different scenario from a completely different time.
X-Offender
Renato Sanches confirms Milan and Arsenal interest, explains collapsed Barcelona transfer - Football Italia

Sorry but no.

Check this out: https://www.transfermarkt.com/renato-sanche.../spieler/258027

The guy is always injured! Even right now he has a muscular injury and his return is unknown. Do we really wanna get an injury prone player when we're neck full of injuries ourselves all the frigging time? Please no. We need physically fit players, not handicapped's.
Fillipo Simone
What we need is to keep Kessie until the summer and then either extend or find someone new. Selling him now is a lose-lose situation.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 25 2021, 02:04 PM) *
What we need is to keep Kessie until the summer and then either extend or find someone new. Selling him now is a lose-lose situation.


This, I absolutely agree. Dont think 10M would suffice if it was paid for Milan, rather the stability and concreteness he gives the team in the middle of the park is priceless.

If the club looses him on a free, then that is that. Milan will probably have drawn up the alternatives already for next summer ala Maignan.

X-Offender
Brozovic to renew soon with Inter for 5.5 million, confirmed by Mediaset.

One of the best mids in Europe for his role. Meanwhile the Ivorian is asking for the moon, a player whose importance and qualities can't even be compared to Brozovic's. Why do we always get the insane ones? rolleyes.gif
Fillipo Simone
Something really isn't right with us, that's for sure.
Rossoneri7
A winter window thread is due.

We are linked with several defenders. All of whom would be crucial, I also think a striker is also important at this juncture.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 4 2021, 02:58 PM) *
Something really isn't right with us, that's for sure.

I don't know if you can really blame it on the management at this point if Kessie is asking for 9m

That's just insane
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 12 2021, 10:02 AM) *
I don't know if you can really blame it on the management at this point if Kessie is asking for 9m

That's just insane


Or maybe they just wanna leave.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 12 2021, 02:03 PM) *
Or maybe they just wanna leave.

Reports saying Romagnoli close to renewing. So only Kessie is making insane demands

And based on performances so far this season he's just not worth it.


If I were a player and comparing Inter's outlook to ours, we have clearly the better one. Inter if they are not sold are in for a world of hurt. I don't exclude them having to sell even more players next summer.

Us on the other hand have a clearly defined project. And no with Elliot at the helm we are never going to go for the instant gratification strategy Inter went with. But in the long run, I'm much more comfortable with where we are compared to if I were an Inter fan. Sure they might get 2 Scudetti out of this. But let's not sugar coat what could be in store for them down the line if Suning stay there
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 13 2021, 11:16 PM) *
Reports saying Romagnoli close to renewing. So only Kessie is making insane demands

And based on performances so far this season he's just not worth it.

If I were a player and comparing Inter's outlook to ours, we have clearly the better one. Inter if they are not sold are in for a world of hurt. I don't exclude them having to sell even more players next summer.

Us on the other hand have a clearly defined project. And no with Elliot at the helm we are never going to go for the instant gratification strategy Inter went with. But in the long run, I'm much more comfortable with where we are compared to if I were an Inter fan. Sure they might get 2 Scudetti out of this. But let's not sugar coat what could be in store for them down the line if Suning stay there.


Sorry bud, but I think you're just conjuring stuff up without any proper basis. It's true that Inter had a very tough financial year due to Covid and Suning's own problems, but everyone's in a fucking mess right now. And I find it very, very hard to believe that Inter's management haven't put into motion any sort of contingency plan already. In fact, the loan of 275M from Oaktree in May was to guarantee short-term liquidity to the club.

Obviously anything can happen and I don't have a crystal ball, but you speak too confident about their demise just based on your overall "feel" of the situation. Don't forget last year we had the worst loss in our history at 195M and we managed to get out of it alive. I can't see why Inter can't.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 13 2021, 11:36 PM) *
Sorry bud, but I think you're just conjuring stuff up without any proper basis. It's true that Inter had a very tough financial year due to Covid and Suning's own problems, but everyone's in a fucking mess right now. And I find it very, very hard to believe that Inter's management haven't put into motion any sort of contingency plan already. In fact, the loan of 275M from Oaktree in May was to guarantee short-term liquidity to the club.

Obviously anything can happen and I don't have a crystal ball, but you speak too confident about their demise just based on your overall "feel" of the situation. Don't forget last year we had the worst loss in our history at 195M and we managed to get out of it alive. I can't see why Inter can't.

I didn't say demise anywhere.

But if Suning stay on, the Inter "project" will slowly deteriorate and they could just as easily re-slip into mediocrity again, just as what happened to them post Moratti and to us as well.

We've already seen them sell big assets, and they won't be the last.

Suning want close to a billion for the club and they're just not worth that right now. So any hope of future sale is low. Suning as a company by itself have a lot of problems. This will surely trickle down to Inter as we've already seen.

They had record losses this year. We've more than halved ours during pandemic times. For me that speaks for itself in terms of who is making the steps in the right direction.
X-Offender
Again, you're making groundless assumptions based only on a couple of numbers you've heard that have been thrown around. These matters are never so black and white. There's a whole other world unfolding behind the scenes that nobody is aware of. You cannot claim so casually that "they will re-slip into mediocrity" and "the Inter project will deterioriate" as if you're making your daily agenda.

They had cash flow problems which they fixed with Hakimi's sale and the Oaktree loan. Lukaku's sale was never part of the plan. Chelsea simply came knocking with a 120 million cheque and the player asked to be sold. You honestly think any Italian club has the audacity to say no to such an offer at these times?

The deal with Inter is that despite their financial problems this year they managed to stay competitive and didn't crumble apart like other clubs might have. That's not something to be ignored. On the contrary, it shows strength.

We on the other hand are owned by a greedy asset management fund that is well-known to go after companies in financial distress, make them self-sufficient, and sell them to the highest bidder to make a profit. That's all there is to it. They don't give two shits about the rest.
Rossoneri7
Milan is being linked with Rudiger of Chelsea, I am a fan!
The club needs to bring in Faivre from Brest and an understudy to Zlatan/Giroud, that kid from Monaco wont be featuring much this season.

Milan has a chance at the Scudetto, just that injuries have pushed the club back a dial. Rebic, Leao and Kajaer have made the team?s quality options rather thin.

Again a Winder thread is due king.gif
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 14 2021, 01:01 AM) *
Again, you're making groundless assumptions based only on a couple of numbers you've heard that have been thrown around. These matters are never so black and white. There's a whole other world unfolding behind the scenes that nobody is aware of. You cannot claim so casually that "they will re-slip into mediocrity" and "the Inter project will deterioriate" as if you're making your daily agenda.

They had cash flow problems which they fixed with Hakimi's sale and the Oaktree loan. Lukaku's sale was never part of the plan. Chelsea simply came knocking with a 120 million cheque and the player asked to be sold. You honestly think any Italian club has the audacity to say no to such an offer at these times?

The deal with Inter is that despite their financial problems this year they managed to stay competitive and didn't crumble apart like other clubs might have. That's not something to be ignored. On the contrary, it shows strength.

We on the other hand are owned by a greedy asset management fund that is well-known to go after companies in financial distress, make them self-sufficient, and sell them to the highest bidder to make a profit. That's all there is to it. They don't give two shits about the rest.

But these are not things I'm making up for my agenda. The Suning problems are well known facts. It's also a fact that they've been shopping Inter around.

The Evergrande situation hit them hard, not to mention having problems even prior to that

I'm not saying Inter will sink into oblivion and they have smart people like Moratta who have done good business to keep them strong. But imo, the outlook is not so great for them in the near future. They'll win the league again this season, but given the fact that the Serie A champion earns less prize money than an EPL bottom side, it's not going to help much. The extra CL cash from the KOs will help them but given that they'll only play the last 16, it won't stretch that far

I think they'll have to make other sales this summer. It's why they're being smart (again, Moratta) and locking down players in long term deals like Brozovic, even if the salaries are not sustainable long-term. But it will give them the power to get the best deals should clubs like Chelsea come knocking again.

That's where we're made mistakes. Hopefully we're working on not repeating them. Apart from Kessie that is who seems like a lost cause at this point
X-Offender
I think you're wrong. They're not going to sell any more players because they need cash. They might not make crazy signings again, that's a given, but further sales are out of the question. You'll see.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 19 2021, 12:35 AM) *
I think you're wrong. They're not going to sell any more players because they need cash. They might not make crazy signings again, that's a given, but further sales are out of the question. You'll see.

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