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William405
I wish we could buy Damsgaard sad.gif
Rossoneri7
With regards to Kessie's renewal:

Milan's latest offer was an ascending salary scheme, as follows:
2021/2022: EUR5.5M + Bonuses
2022/2023: EUR5.5M + Bonuses
2023/2024: EUR6.0M + Bonuses
2024/2025: EUR6.5M + Bonuses
2025/2026: EUR6.5M + Bonuses


Kessie's agent was also contacted by Tottenham's sporting director who tabled an offer of equivalent to EUR8M salary with a high commission for the agent to sign the player next summer on a free transfer. Yet Kessie favours staying in Milan, if a deal is reached.

CrazyMilanFan
New rumors on silva woth 2 year loan amd obligation to buy. Still believe quite unlikely but let see maybe there is some discussions it seems
X-Offender
In all honesty, Kessie is really asking way too much. He's on 2.2M FFS! Yes, he's had an excellent season, but that doesn't mean you can suddenly triple your salary just because of one good season.

Let's not forget that only a couple of years ago most fans couldn't stand him. He was sluggish, incompetent, plain bad. Yet as a club we stuck by him and now that things are looking good he's being unreasonable.

It was the same with Capanoglu, although his form last season was in decline.

Anyway, players are just mercenaries. Let's not think that Kessie will make a choice of heart cos we all know they all go after the $$$.
X-Offender
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Aug 24 2021, 10:35 AM) *
New rumors on silva woth 2 year loan amd obligation to buy. Still believe quite unlikely but let see maybe there is some discussions it seems


Isn't that from 2 days ago?
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2021, 11:39 AM) *
Isn't that from 2 days ago?

Might be same news again being rephrased

https://sempremilan.com/report-milan-agree-...ident-over-deal
X-Offender
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Aug 24 2021, 11:13 AM) *


Some unreliable Turkish journalist claiming we have a deal. Definitely BS.
Fillipo Simone
Yep but the rumor keeps on appearing. Maybe there might be something...

Kessie is asking for too much IMO. He's good but he want's to triple his salary. That's excessive.
CrazyMilanFan
This jesus corona is 28 and stats wise not great stats wise. Don't know why we are looking to sign him.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2021, 04:11 PM) *
Yep but the rumor keeps on appearing. Maybe there might be something...


From what I can infer, Bernardo has been "offered" to us by Mendes, because he wants to leave City and because City need to cash-in some money. But I don't think we can afford neither his salary, nor City's demands.

Hence Maldini's statement that "I am open to many solutions, but we must do what is sustainable".

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Aug 24 2021, 06:05 PM) *
This jesus corona is 28 and stats wise not great stats wise. Don't know why we are looking to sign him.


Maybe we aren't. Be aware that many, many names are just media inventions or players being offered to us.
William405
Yeah.

I think we're going to sign Bakayoko and Pellegri, and it will probably be it. Unless, we get a really fantastic opportunity. Brahim should be our starting AM, and I honestly wouldn't mind that.

What does everyone think about Pellegri? I know he's been injured most of the time, but has the player showed an outstanding talent at any time during his early career?
X-Offender
I have never seen Pellegri and I know little to nothing about him.

Also, I find it hard to believe we won't snatch one last player for the AM/RW position. We have a gaping hole, Maldini knows it. Even if we can't get Bernardo or Vlasic, they will at least try to get a rotational player. Brahim can't play all games.
X-Offender
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Marchetti (Sky): "There is a non-technical economic limit to the renewal of Kessi?, which has led Milan to have a certain attitude towards Donnarumma, for example. Clearly it is possible that an agreement will not be reached, but Milan are confident of finding it because the talks with Kessi? has been going on for a long time and Milan has increased its offer over the past months, making the player feel involved in the project. The agent and Kessie himself want to make sure that they will earn as much as possible. The economic proposals that AC Milan have made so far have not been satisfactory. It is necessary to understand not how flexible Milan's offer is but how much the player's request is. Yesterday Maldini made it clear that Milan is not going beyond a certain limit for economic reasons. The club's position is important and consistent with the other choices made on the transfer market".


It makes me wonder, at this point, won't other players (Bennacer and Theo, for example) also start demanding wages beyond what the club is willing to offer? Are we going to let them go on a free as well?

This is getting a bit tedious. On one side I understand the club's financial reasoning, but on the other side is anyone considering that as the stakes increase, budgets also have to get loose? You cannot expect a bunch of youngsters who have proved themselves and who have considerable estimators abroad to accept 3-4M salaries when they can easily earn double that in some other club.

I just hope Dollarumma and Capanoglu were not the first of a long list of players that we're going to lose because we don't want to offer them high salaries.
han2503
This is why any sort of wage cap is unsustainable if we want to be competitive.

Tottenham are apparently offering Kessie 8m that is unsustainable for us. Because it won't just be Kessie who will make those demands but the others as well

And I honestly cannot blame these guys for wanting to earn as much as other players at their level are earning in other leagues. Players have a very limited window where they can earn a big wage. They all want to make the most of it. Why should they make the sacrifice when players at mid-table EPL clubs are earning more than them?

The only eay out of this is if UEFA actually does something across the board re salaries as well as these agents who are extorting clubs these days. Commisions and agent fees should be banned.

Re all these links to rando players who are not good enough, as much as it kills me, I'd rather not sign anyone than waste money on these types of players who will not add yo the quality of the team, but just bloat it

Once Bakayoko is completed, all I want is a competent AM who can bring in quality and ensure a good return of goals/assists. Relying solely on Brahim is just insane.

I don't understand why we don't just go for James who is frozen out at Everton and is desperate to leave. Yet we're willing to waste 10m on a Serie B player or this Covid dude????
Rossoneri7
Kessie's agent isn't budging from the request of 7M net salary + 1.5M in incentives. The same would cost Milan circa 70M inclusive of taxes.

Milan won't pay anything above 6M, as was the contract Donnaruma last held with Milan.

At this juncture it is safe to say Kessie will leave on a free next summer.




P.S. I had stated this in my previous post, what we fans want is not what the club wants. The sooner we come to terms with that, the less of a heartache following Milan will be.

There is no way this club can afford such wages, the international appeal for Milan is not what it was before. Berlusconi said this before he sold (along the lines of..) 'Milan can not compete with oil money'. The sponsorships that City, PSG, Chelsea get are in a league of their own.

A live case on this prospective: Serie A was not able to sell TV rights to the MENA (Middle East & North Africa) region, as the bidding was a mockery for them. So they broadcast free on YouTube for the Arab world. Meaning no income from this part of the world. While EPL, La Liga and now Leage 1 of France have awesome contracts with Bein the broadcaster of this region. Bein also has rights for CL, EL, WC and the main footballing tournaments. The fact that Serie A was not awarded to them (for the mockery of a bid they made) is due to the low demand for the league from this region; in contrast to the other leagues and competitions which they had renewed with.


I write this piece with a heavy heart and saddened that Elliott shall turn over the club in a healthy state, but not with the appeal and glamor it had when it was under Berlusconi.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2021, 07:39 AM) *
Yet we're willing to waste 10m on a Serie B player or this Covid dude????


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X-Offender
So, Correa to Inter is a done deal for 30M. In my opinion not worth it, but what's telling is what I said in a earlier post. That this Inter side in severe financial distress, which we all ridiculed and who lost Conte, Hakimi and Lukaku, is still spending money to strengthen their weak areas.

Whereas we are after Covid Jesus and Messiah Jr. Man, the frustration...

You know, it's not even even the AM position that worries me. I think Brahim is a very talented player and this may be his season. It's the right wing, where we have to rely on guys like Alexis and Samu who are so, so mediocre and decrease the overall quality level of the team.
William405
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 25 2021, 12:59 PM) *
Kessie's agent isn't budging from the request of 7M net salary + 1.5M in incentives. The same would cost Milan circa 70M inclusive of taxes.

Milan won't pay anything above 6M, as was the contract Donnaruma last held with Milan.

At this juncture it is safe to say Kessie will leave on a free next summer.




P.S. I had stated this in my previous post, what we fans want is not what the club wants. The sooner we come to terms with that, the less of a heartache following Milan will be.

There is no way this club can afford such wages, the international appeal for Milan is not what it was before. Berlusconi said this before he sold (along the lines of..) 'Milan can not compete with oil money'. The sponsorships that City, PSG, Chelsea get are in a league of their own.

A live case on this prospective: Serie A was not able to sell TV rights to the MENA (Middle East & North Africa) region, as the bidding was a mockery for them. So they broadcast free on YouTube for the Arab world. Meaning no income from this part of the world. While EPL, La Liga and now Leage 1 of France have awesome contracts with Bein the broadcaster of this region. Bein also has rights for CL, EL, WC and the main footballing tournaments. The fact that Serie A was not awarded to them (for the mockery of a bid they made) is due to the low demand for the league from this region; in contrast to the other leagues and competitions which they had renewed with.


I write this piece with a heavy heart and saddened that Elliott shall turn over the club in a healthy state, but not with the appeal and glamor it had when it was under Berlusconi.


Wait, what? So you're telling me that Serie A will be broadcasted for free in the middle east? I thought it was kind of a one off thing for the first game of the season! Okay, that's good to know that while I'm in Lebanon I can easily watch the matches for free.

I agree with you on the financial aspect. I think you should just concede the point that it is better to sell Kessie now than let the contract situation drag on. It's a win win for us in this scenario, we get money reinvest. Because when you have to start from 0 to find a player of Kessie's calibre...it is really difficult.
William405
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2021, 02:05 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Who is the Covid dude? XD
William405
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2021, 02:13 PM) *
So, Correa to Inter is a done deal for 30M. In my opinion not worth it, but what's telling is what I said in a earlier post. That this Inter side in severe financial distress, which we all ridiculed and who lost Conte, Hakimi and Lukaku, is still spending money to strengthen their weak areas.

Whereas we are after Covid Jesus and Messiah Jr. Man, the frustration...

You know, it's not even even the AM position that worries me. I think Brahim is a very talented player and this may be his season. It's the right wing, where we have to rely on guys like Alexis and Samu who are so, so mediocre and decrease the overall quality level of the team.


Yeah, but come on they were able to get like 200 million in transfers. We lost our two best players for free. That's the real problem right there.

I'm not worried about Brahim either as well as Alexis. It's seeing Samu that makes me cringe.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 25 2021, 02:55 PM) *
Who is the Covid dude? XD

Jesus corona lol 28 year old Mexican winger at Porto
X-Offender
QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 25 2021, 01:55 PM) *
Wait, what? So you're telling me that Serie A will be broadcasted for free in the middle east? I thought it was kind of a one off thing for the first game of the season! Okay, that's good to know that while I'm in Lebanon I can easily watch the matches for free.

I agree with you on the financial aspect. I think you should just concede the point that it is better to sell Kessie now than let the contract situation drag on. It's a win win for us in this scenario, we get money reinvest. Because when you have to start from 0 to find a player of Kessie's calibre...it is really difficult.


Selling Kessie this late in the window and get a worthy replacement is very difficult. We should have closed the deal by June. If he didn't accept our terms, put him on the market. Not on the 25th of August!

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 25 2021, 01:57 PM) *
Yeah, but come on they were able to get like 200 million in transfers. We lost our two best players for free. That's the real problem right there.

I'm not worried about Brahim either as well as Alexis. It's seeing Samu that makes me cringe.


Inter have an insane debt they have to repay in the short term, both towards other clubs and towards banks. They can't just get 200M and think they can spend it as they please.

For example, Hakimi was sold purely to generate cash flow necessary to cover operations costs.

From Lukaku's 120M sale, around 5% of the transfer fee goes to FIFA as part of the infamous solidarity contribution, around 6% will go to ManUtd due to a clause inserted in the contract, and then Inter will also have to pay to ManUtd the remaining ~55M of payables from Lukaku's purchase 2 years ago. Hence, Inter will only get about half of those money in cash that they can spend.
han2503
I can't see us giving another big asset away for free. No way we're that idiotic. Either he renews or we sell now or in January. I won't believe that our mnaagement or Elliot for that matter are stupid enough to lwt this happen again

Also the number seemingly keeps getting bigger every week
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The media probably have no idea what we're offering and what he's demanding but only trying to make sensational stories because they know Milan fans are losing their sh!t over this following the other 2 and they know they will get the clicks

If Kessie is making too large a demand, I don't see him being a Milan player come September.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2021, 03:01 PM) *
Selling Kessie this late in the window and get a worthy replacement is very difficult. We should have closed the deal by June. If he didn't accept our terms, put him on the market. Not on the 25th of August!



Inter have an insane debt they have to repay in the short term, both towards other clubs and towards banks. They can't just get 200M and think they can spend it as they please.

For example, Hakimi was sold purely to generate cash flow necessary to cover operations costs.

From Lukaku's 120M sale, around 5% of the transfer fee goes to FIFA as part of the infamous solidarity contribution, around 6% will go to ManUtd due to a clause inserted in the contract, and then Inter will also have to pay to ManUtd the remaining ~55M of payables from Lukaku's purchase 2 years ago. Hence, Inter will only get about half of those money in cash that they can spend.

The issue with the Hakimi sale is that they probably only generated about 24m from it since they still had the entire fee left to pay to Real which was over 40m
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2021, 03:16 PM) *
The issue with the Hakimi sale is that they probably only generated about 24m from it since they still had the entire fee left to pay to Real which was over 40m


Oh yes, that too, I forgot. Good observation.
X-Offender
This Junior Messias guy is fascinating.

First of all, on YouTube he doesn't look half bad if you ask me, which I found surprising.

Secondly, the guy is 30, but he started his career only 6 years ago! That's right. He started playing football at 25. His first season was in Serie D in 2016/17. He played two years in Serie D, one year in Serie C, one year in Serie B and last year was his first in Serie A.

Believe it or not, before that he used to do all kinds of odd jobs: electrician, delivery guy etc. And now he's being linked with AC Milan. That's just crazy, and also quite beautiful.

As a Samu replacement, I wouldn't be against it.
CrazyMilanFan
That adli guy agent has met milan again today so new talks on him as well
X-Offender
At this point I'd be more than happy to get him rather than all the shitty names being thrown around. At least he's a young prospect with potential.
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Aug 25 2021, 03:54 PM) *
That adli guy agent has met milan again today so new talks on him as well

His club want 15m we're offering 10-12m

So we can probably forget about it since we've made that determination for his price... The amount of talent we'll lose over 4-5m difference will be laughable at this rate we're going.


And yes, the Messias story is nice, but I still don't want to add a player like him to the squad. It's not conducive to what we want to achieve imo.

Either bring in someone who offers quality or stay as is
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2021, 07:22 PM) *
The amount of talent we'll lose over 4-5m difference will be laughable at this rate we're going.


Probably the thing that irritates me the most. We're acting like some relegation side. Instead of going for Bernardo Silva we can't even close for f*cking Adli. So, so embarrassing...
CrazyMilanFan
Arsenal offering willian to us.. Covid looks good now to me
William405
The transfer market is really active at the moment. Excited to see what happens.
X-Offender
QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 25 2021, 10:40 PM) *
The transfer market is really active at the moment. Excited to see what happens.


Excited? We're going to get someone on the cheap for the AM role and that will be it.

The name of Favre from Brest being mentioned now. LM who can also play as AM. Price around 15M.

I swear, I've never seen so many players linked to a single operation. Not even Galliani's infamous Mr. X in 2011 produced so many names. Ridiculous.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2021, 09:25 AM) *
Excited? We're going to get someone on the cheap for the AM role and that will be it.

The name of Favre from Brest being mentioned now. LM who can also play as AM. Price around 15M.

I swear, I've never seen so many players linked to a single operation. Not even Galliani's infamous Mr. X in 2011 produced so many names. Ridiculous.

laugh.gif fun and stressful times. Mr. X saga...

Like I've been saying all along. The media knows f@ck all about what is going on at Milan imo. All these names are testament to that. Even Di Marzio on gets wind of deals when they're practically done.

This is why I also don't trust all these BS reports about Kessie. At the start of the summer most reports were saying he wants 5.5m. now suddenly it's become 8.5m!! Just insane. That's more than Dybala earns at Juve and more than Lukaku was getting at Inter. I really don't believe that this is the case. My only conclusion now is that they've already agreed terms with him and it will be announced after the window closes. Otherwise we would have sold him. It just wouldn't make any business sense to keep him and let him leave for free. We are run by a hedge fund not a charity organisation
William405
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2021, 11:25 AM) *
Excited? We're going to get someone on the cheap for the AM role and that will be it.

The name of Favre from Brest being mentioned now. LM who can also play as AM. Price around 15M.

I swear, I've never seen so many players linked to a single operation. Not even Galliani's infamous Mr. X in 2011 produced so many names. Ridiculous.


We'll see at the end. Till now I'm quite happy with how we added depth to the squad. Specially with the addition of Bakayoko. wink.gif
Fillipo Simone
On the contrary Han. Im convinced Kessie is no going to leave as well, for a reduced prize. We?ll get Adli and Baka wgicb will give us a good boost and perhaps help finish 6th or 7th.

William you?re happy? What exactly makes you happy? Today were gonna end up in a death group for CL and make an shameful return after so many years. We?ve handed out 2 of our key players and are in the process of doing the same with yet another one, while at the same time replacing them with green unknown players from uncompetetive leagues and players like Corona who actually do not fit in what we need.

It?s a complete mess. I hope Elliott sell as soon as possible and we end this nightmare.
X-Offender
This Faivre kid looks promising. His agents were seen at Casa Milan yesterday. Asking price is around 15M. Also, he posted on his Instagram profile a picture saying "Stay ready". Could mean anything, could mean nothing.
Fillipo Simone
Stay ready to be disappointed.
William405
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2021, 01:25 PM) *
On the contrary Han. Im convinced Kessie is no going to leave as well, for a reduced prize. We?ll get Adli and Baka wgicb will give us a good boost and perhaps help finish 6th or 7th.

William you?re happy? What exactly makes you happy? Today were gonna end up in a death group for CL and make an shameful return after so many years. We?ve handed out 2 of our key players and are in the process of doing the same with yet another one, while at the same time replacing them with green unknown players from uncompetetive leagues and players like Corona who actually do not fit in what we need.

It?s a complete mess. I hope Elliott sell as soon as possible and we end this nightmare.


Wow, that negative vibe.
X-Offender
QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 26 2021, 06:18 PM) *
Wow, that negative vibe.


He's completely right, though.
William405
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2021, 08:31 PM) *
He's completely right, though.


What did you guys expect, though?
X-Offender
QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 26 2021, 06:50 PM) *
What did you guys expect, though?


I'll tell you what I expected.

A ) To address the weakest link in our starting line-up from last year, i.e. RW with a quality player. We can't continue playing with a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none like Alexis and a rubbish player like Castillejo.

B ) To replace anyone leaving with someone even better. I'll concede Donnarumma, but Calhanoglu?

C ) To sign another quality striker. Giroud was not the right profile.

D ) To strengthen the depth of the squad where necessary.

Insofar we've only managed point D.
X-Offender
Bakayoko is a done deal. Loan at 500K with right of purchase set at 15M (although I also read 20M somewhere).

GK, defence and midfield we're fully set. Left wing and striker, too. It's the AM and RW positions where we're truly out of depth.
Fillipo Simone
Nah, I've really had it. You can speak about all the "managing expectations" and "reality" BS we've been feeding ourselves for years. But this season makes everything look pointless.

We set ourselves a goal to return to Europe as some kind of holy grail. Now we make it happen after years and years of failure only to be exposed like laughingstocks and buffoons. Because how else to explain that our management lost 2 (and potentially 3) very highly marketable players? How else can we explain the absence of a proper plan, a step by step plan that every good team has? This whole summer period has been nothing but a complete mess.
X-Offender
The plan is there, unfortunately it's just not one to make Milan a powerhouse again.
Rossoneri7
Milan have a name for an AM, but it hasn't been disclosed yet. I hope it happens.

Re reinforcing the squad to be protoganists in the CL, the club has quality depth to go for a good run in both Serie A and CL.

But to win either is not the realistic target to set. Milan will. Most likely have to bleed to qualify from the CL group, let alone reach the latter stages. But in Serie A, a CL place is realistically attainable with this squad.
X-Offender
Looks like it's all-in for Faivre according to Mediaset.

In all honesty, from all the names mentioned lately, he's the one that warms me the most.

Check out his two assists against PSG last week
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2021, 10:43 AM) *
Looks like it's all-in for Faivre according to Mediaset.

In all honesty, from all the names mentioned lately, he's the one that warms me the most.

Check out his two assists against PSG last week

He looks good and has the stats to back up the nice yt comps.

Looks like we'll close for him soon.

I don't know if he'll be the last signing. But I feel like we're going to go i to the season with that one missing element which would make the difference for us.

I don't understand why we don't try to go for James...
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2021, 02:04 PM) *
I don't understand why we don't try to go for James...


High salary, 30 years old, very injury prone. I wouldn't go for him either. The only player I would have broken bank is Bernardo, simply because he's pure world class. Shame we missed on that opportunity. We won't get many in the future.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2021, 02:12 PM) *
High salary, 30 years old, very injury prone. I wouldn't go for him either. The only player I would have broken bank is Bernardo, simply because he's pure world class. Shame we missed on that opportunity. We won't get many in the future.

There's a huge difference between Bernardo S. and James though.

Everton would most likely accept a loan more where they pay half his wages and even if it is a permanent move, James is desperate to get out of there so he'll accept a wage cut

On the other hand City would still want a huge transfer fee for Silva, not to mention high wages as well.

Silva was never realistic for us, while James is

And while at the start of the summer I was absolutely against us signing him, it's come to a point where I'd want him over the likes of Messias, Corona and all the other mediocrity we've been linked with
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