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han2503
All chit chat here guys

I'm back from my Milan hiatus but looking at the news lately just makes me want to retreat back into the cave

It feels like we're going around in circles while Juve are signing De Ligt and Sarri and Inter get Conte. Just so demoralizing tbh

Add to that losing Leo is going to be a big hit for us


Giampaolo is a good coach, just not sure he's what we need atm. The Ceballos links are the only uplifting pieces of new right now, so lets see where that goes
X-Offender
No idea how good this Ceballos kid is, never heard of him before. Looks like he plays CM primarily.

Also, I read on Mediaset we're being linked with Theo Hernandez, LB of Real. Maldini met him in Ibiza.
X-Offender
Oh, and I also read that we made the first official offer for Torreira: two-year loan with right to purchase at 38M. Obviously Arsenal will refuse, unless they're stupid.
Fillipo Simone
Torreira would be great though.
CrazyMilanFan
Theo Hernandez is loan with no option to buy as per article on football italia. I dont think that is a kind of deal we should do.

Secondly there were rumors about Elliott putting a salary cap of 2.5m net for all new signing.
han2503
I read that Torreira could be pushing for a move back, but honestly, it seems very unlikely atm

Ceballos and Torreria would definitely be high impact players imo, just can't see them joining this summer.

Reading a lot of rumors that Kessie will most likely be sacrificed. I think it's a good move if we can somehow sell him and get Torreira coming in. But chances of that happening are pretty low imo

Kessie is a beast physically but his footballing IQ is just non existent. I though that he could at least learn to do the simple things better by now, but he's still messing that up even now after 2 full seasons. So if we can somehow move him on and get a high reward for him then we should jump at the chance
Danny
In case anyone cares, San Siro being demolished.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 24 2019, 09:28 PM) *
I read that Torreira could be pushing for a move back, but honestly, it seems very unlikely atm

Ceballos and Torreria would definitely be high impact players imo, just can't see them joining this summer.

Reading a lot of rumors that Kessie will most likely be sacrificed. I think it's a good move if we can somehow sell him and get Torreira coming in. But chances of that happening are pretty low imo

Kessie is a beast physically but his footballing IQ is just non existent. I though that he could at least learn to do the simple things better by now, but he's still messing that up even now after 2 full seasons. So if we can somehow move him on and get a high reward for him then we should jump at the chance


Dumping Kessie would be a blessing, especially since we can sell him for around 25-30 million.

The hottest names we're being linked with right now: Kabak, Theo Hernandez, Torreria, Veretout, Cebellos, Kramaric.

I also read that Rodriguez is for sale, and that Giampaolo wants to relaunch Andre Silva.

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 24 2019, 09:37 PM) *
In case anyone cares, San Siro being demolished.


That's going to be a hot topic.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 24 2019, 09:54 PM) *
Dumping Kessie would be a blessing, especially since we can sell him for around 25-30 million.

The hottest names we're being linked with right now: Kabak, Theo Hernandez, Torreria, Veretout, Cebellos, Kramaric.

I also read that Rodriguez is for sale, and that Giampaolo wants to relaunch Andre Silva.



That's going to be a hot topic.

Do you know anything about Kramaric?

Is he decent? Last I read he did his medical last week but nothing has been made official as of yet
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 24 2019, 09:37 PM) *
In case anyone cares, San Siro being demolished.

I don't think San Siro will be demolished. As Scaroni said, the stadium is still the property of the municipality... So I don't know if they'll just demolish it tbh

What he did confirm is that a new stadium will be built and we're still going to be sharing it with Inter
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 25 2019, 07:15 PM) *
Do you know anything about Kramaric?

Is he decent? Last I read he did his medical last week but nothing has been made official as of yet


I think you're talking about Krunic there.
Forza Milan!
PSG offering Areola + 20M for Donna (link)

Was hoping for more, and I hate losing someone like Donna. That said, we risk losing him in two years anyway (I do not trust Raiola), I was impressed by Plizzari during the U17 WC, and we can use the plusvalenza to help us get closer to FFP compliance. Areola is valued 30M in the deal, would prefer to sell Donna for straight cash.

Let's see if the rumor is true, and (if so) it would be interesting to see how Milan reacts (reject or counteroffer).
Forza Milan!
On other news ...

Looks like Ozan Kabak (who was linked with Milan) is headed for Bayern. Apparently he was promised regular playing time, but given who Bayern already has in their back line, I do not see how that would happen. (link)

Lucas Torreira apparently is happy with Arsenal, so a move to Milan is not likely (link). EDIT: previous news had Torreira pushing for a transfer to Milan (link), and recent news says a deal may still be possible.

Looks like Theo Hernandez is still a possibility

Apparently Montella wants Biglia

We have been linked with DDR
X-Offender
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 26 2019, 10:43 PM) *
On other news ...

Looks like Ozan Kabak (who was linked with Milan) is headed for Bayern. Apparently he was promised regular playing time, but given who Bayern already has in their back line, I do not see how that would happen. (link)

Lucas Torreira apparently is happy with Arsenal, so a move to Milan is not likely (link). EDIT: previous news had Torreira pushing for a transfer to Milan (link), and recent news says a deal may still be possible.

Looks like Theo Hernandez is still a possibility

Apparently Montella wants Biglia

We have been linked with DDR


Bayern will sell Boateng from what I read.

And what Torreira said is just a diplomatic answer. The problem is satisfying Arsenal's requests. We need to sell Kessie and use that money for Torreira, otherwise I cannot see how we can sign him.

Anyway, the news of the morning is that PSG have offered 20M + Areola (valued 30M)) for Donnarumma. Obviously we'd have to dumbasses to accept any offer inferior to 60M, and with no counterparties.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 26 2019, 11:43 PM) *
Looks like Theo Hernandez is still a possibility

Looks like a done deal, 20M (2M loan with an obligation to buy for 18M), 5 year contract.

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 26 2019, 11:43 PM) *
We have been linked with DDR

DDR closer to Fiorentina or may just retire after all.
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And we are officially out of EL (link). This was supposed to be part of an agreement that buys us some time to meet FFP targets, but only the exclusion has been announced.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 26 2019, 11:28 PM) *
PSG offering Areola + 20M for Donna (link)

Was hoping for more, and I hate losing someone like Donna. That said, we risk losing him in two years anyway (I do not trust Raiola), I was impressed by Plizzari during the U17 WC, and we can use the plusvalenza to help us get closer to FFP compliance. Areola is valued 30M in the deal, would prefer to sell Donna for straight cash.

Let's see if the rumor is true, and (if so) it would be interesting to see how Milan reacts (reject or counteroffer).

Apparently we have rejected the offer (we want more money and no Areola). PSG is likely to come back with a new offer.
Danny
The fact Milan have been barred from UEL (would have been UCL had we made it) barely makes a ripple now.

Same way Chelsea's transfer ban wasn't really considered relevant by anyone.

In three days we're building a new stadium, possibly demolishing San Siro and we're barred from Europe and literally no one cares.

Oh how we've fallen sad.gif
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 28 2019, 10:00 PM) *
The fact Milan have been barred from UEL (would have been UCL had we made it) barely makes a ripple now.

Same way Chelsea's transfer ban wasn't really considered relevant by anyone.

In three days we're building a new stadium, possibly demolishing San Siro and we're barred from Europe and literally no one cares.

Oh how we've fallen sad.gif

There was talk about being banned from EL, and it was positioned as some sort of agreement that would benefit us. I had some misgivings, but tried to look at it in a positive light ... until the official communication from UEFA, which I found rather depressing.

Stadium ... unclear what the plan is. The mayor of Milan went on record sayong it will not happen, but some commentators claim it is just posturing, and plans are moving ahead. Who knows ...

Mercato ... as confusing as ever.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 29 2019, 12:00 AM) *
The fact Milan have been barred from UEL (would have been UCL had we made it) barely makes a ripple now.

Same way Chelsea's transfer ban wasn't really considered relevant by anyone.

In three days we're building a new stadium, possibly demolishing San Siro and we're barred from Europe and literally no one cares.

Oh how we've fallen sad.gif


As I understand it Milan we're scrutinised for breaching FFP in the seasons 2015-17 and 2016-18. And the only way to Waive it off is to accept punishment of being barred from UEFA competitions for one season.

Facts are stubborn things, and as things stand Milan had accumulated losses during those periods which were not reversable. So taking that into consideration, Milan starts on a clean slate.

I think there is some good here.

CrazyMilanFan
So now we can spend freely (if we have the money) and if we qualify for UCL next season there wouldn't be any issues for 2 years now right?
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 29 2019, 02:42 PM) *
So now we can spend freely (if we have the money) and if we qualify for UCL next season there wouldn't be any issues for 2 years now right?

We still have to operate within FFP parameters, which means we need to break even (or close to) in 3 years. So, I don't think we can spend freely.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 29 2019, 04:42 PM) *
So now we can spend freely (if we have the money) and if we qualify for UCL next season there wouldn't be any issues for 2 years now right?


No we can't spend freely, it has to be calculated. If Milan gets into UEFA competitions next year then FFP will be an issue again, just that aggregate losses from season 15-17 and 16-18 won't be haunting the club again as the club took its punishment.

At least that's how I understand it.

If the club spends freely now, next year the club faces the same issue all over again.
TriniKing_CE
Seems to be a bit of confusion over the EL pull out.

Here's an article I just came across which tries to analyze it a bit.

https://milantalk.com/2019/06/29/five-reaso...e-is-good-news/
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 26 2019, 09:37 AM) *
I think you're talking about Krunic there.

Well that shows my clear lack of knowledge on that... sleep.gif

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 28 2019, 05:08 PM) *
And we are officially out of EL (link). This was supposed to be part of an agreement that buys us some time to meet FFP targets, but only the exclusion has been announced.

We basically excluded ourselves to give the new management time to fix the mess that our finances are thanks to B & G and the Chinese

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 28 2019, 09:00 PM) *
The fact Milan have been barred from UEL (would have been UCL had we made it) barely makes a ripple now.

Same way Chelsea's transfer ban wasn't really considered relevant by anyone.

In three days we're building a new stadium, possibly demolishing San Siro and we're barred from Europe and literally no one cares.

Oh how we've fallen sad.gif

I think everyone was sort of expecting it as the rumours about us being in talks with UEFA to pull out have been going around since the end of the season

And honestly, if this allows us to get things in order while also having a bit more lee-way this summer to operate on the market, I'm all for it.

The EL is a waste of time anyway

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 29 2019, 02:10 PM) *
No we can't spend freely, it has to be calculated. If Milan gets into UEFA competitions next year then FFP will be an issue again, just that aggregate losses from season 15-17 and 16-18 won't be haunting the club again as the club took its punishment.

At least that's how I understand it.

If the club spends freely now, next year the club faces the same issue all over again.

But I read that this will give us a lot more breathing room on the transfer market this summer...

I understand that we won't be breaking the bank, but from what I understand this will definitely give us room to flex much more than we would have been had we stayed in
Rossoneri7
Whatever it is, the new owners chose this punishment to have a clean slate. Going forward the losses that Milan had on its books is erased and it will be the management and new owners responsibility to adhere to FFP going forward.

The mercato is approaching and by end of August you will know to what extend they could spend.
CrazyMilanFan
When is the window closing? Is it start of serie A or end of August?
X-Offender
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 29 2019, 07:36 PM) *
When is the window closing? Is it start of serie A or end of August?


Should be start of Serie A.

Theo Hernandez a done deal. Rodriguez should move out, last I read to Barcelona for 15M.

Being linked with Perin as Donnarumma will probably be sold if PSG make a 50M, cash-only offer.

Ceballos seems close but Madrid want a repurchase clause, just like with Morata.

Lovren is the main objective in defense.

Forza Milan!
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 1 2019, 11:14 PM) *
Lovren is the main objective in defense.

Not too thrilled about this. Not overly impressed by the player, and it does not fit the profile of what we should be looking for. Feels more like a Galliani move.
Danny
Dejan Lovren?! Are you guys serious?

Ricardo Rodriguez to Barca?!

Have I slipped into a parallel universe?
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 2 2019, 06:25 PM) *
Dejan Lovren?! Are you guys serious?

Ricardo Rodriguez to Barca?!

Have I slipped into a parallel universe?


Is Maldini the new Galliani?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jul 1 2019, 10:30 PM) *
Not too thrilled about this. Not overly impressed by the player, and it does not fit the profile of what we should be looking for. Feels more like a Galliani move.


Wasn't Lovren one of the best CBs in Europe only a couple of years ago?
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 2 2019, 09:44 PM) *
Wasn't Lovren one of the best CBs in Europe only a couple of years ago?

Injury prone, I believe he was benched at Liverpool. Probably high salary and low resale value. Galliani all' over again.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jul 2 2019, 10:23 PM) *
Injury prone, I believe he was benched at Liverpool. Probably high salary and low resale value. Galliani all' over again.


I think you're jumping the gun there. I'd take Lovren on the spot.
Danny
Ignore my post - I was confusing Lovren with Glen Loovens. Ignore me. Couldn't tell you much about Lovren tbh.
CrazyMilanFan
apparently Lovren is too expensive for us.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 4 2019, 12:38 PM) *
apparently Lovren is too expensive for us.

Indeed. Looks like he is getting paid 5.2M GBP by Liverpool, so we would be paying something similar. It would be right back to the mistakes made by Galliani, for a player that is coming off a disappointing season.

EDIT: looks like we are after Nastasic instead (link). Not overly impressed.
Forza Milan!
Other news:
- We signed Jungdal (link)
- Looks like we are discussing Bennacer with Empoli (link)
- New stadium discussions continue (link)
han2503
Anyone know anything about Bennacer? Seems like we're very close to signing him

With all the departures from the midfield, we're going to need at least 2-3 new players in there

Let's not forget we lost the lynch pin of our midfield in Bakayoko and it seems like we're shopping Biglia around as well, so there' a lot of work to be done for the mid, not to mention that we need to look into a second striker that can compliment Piantek
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 4 2019, 08:11 PM) *
Anyone know anything about Bennacer? Seems like we're very close to signing him

With all the departures from the midfield, we're going to need at least 2-3 new players in there

What I heard is Bennacer would fit as a regista Most opinions seem to be relatively positive, but there are questions on his ability to defend.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 4 2019, 08:11 PM) *
[...] not to mention that we need to look into a second striker that can compliment Piantek

I do not see us linked with any SS. I see talks of using Silva or Suso in that role. Cutrone does not sound like a good fit as SS. Interesting article on Silva, BTW.
Danny
Aw God, just when I thought it couldn't get worse, Andre f*cking Silva comes back.
han2503
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jul 4 2019, 07:41 PM) *
What I heard is Bennacer would fit as a regista Most opinions seem to be relatively positive, but there are questions on his ability to defend.


I do not see us linked with any SS. I see talks of using Silva or Suso in that role. Cutrone does not sound like a good fit as SS. Interesting article on Silva, BTW.

Now that I've read up on him and seen some vids, he seems like he's very similar to Barella for example, I even saw a stat chart thing where their numbers are virtually identical.

We'll see, I still think we need to at least make one top signing for the midfield. We've lost a lot of players in there, and even though most of them were useless to us last season and didn't play, the lack of players in there who the coach could trust when we were hit by a lot of injuries hurt us a lot.

So signing players from Empoli and Fiorentina to replace the like of Bertolacci and Monto is well and good, but what are we going to do to replace the loss of Bakayoko? And not to mention addressing the lack of creativity and vision in that middle of the pitch? Paqueta is our only really forward thinking mid, and for me he's more of a crafty player rather than a purely creative one. And we need both types. Especially in a 4-3-1-2

I hope we won't be relying on either one of those in a 2 striker system that's for sure

QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2019, 10:30 PM) *
Aw God, just when I thought it couldn't get worse, Andre f*cking Silva comes back.

Nah. I think we'll sell him as soon as we get a decent offer.
Rossoneri7
Is Kessie still at Milan? If yes, will he be sold?
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2019, 09:42 PM) *
Is Kessie still at Milan? If yes, will he be sold?

He is still with Milan. Unclear right now if he will be sold.
Danny
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jul 7 2019, 10:33 AM) *
He is still with Milan. Unclear right now if he will be sold.


How can he be sold. He's not our player.
CrazyMilanFan
So apprently donna has told milan that he wants to stay and might take a pay cut as well
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 7 2019, 01:30 PM) *
How can he be sold. He's not our player.

Kessie? He is our player.
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 6 2019, 08:42 PM) *
Is Kessie still at Milan? If yes, will he be sold?

Yes, and last I read that is the intention. I don't see how we'll get what we want for him though...

Man, I don't understand how Juve and Inter make big money for their fringe players and we can't even sell our starters for decent sums

QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 7 2019, 12:30 PM) *
How can he be sold. He's not our player.

Yes he is. His 2 year loan is up and we were obligated to buy him outright at the end of it. So yes, he's ours.

Now it's mostly a matter of if we can make back the 30m or so we spent on him and get something extra in return. If something along those lines is offered. He's gone
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 7 2019, 06:47 PM) *
Yes, and last I read that is the intention. I don't see how we'll get what we want for him though...

Man, I don't understand how Juve and Inter make big money for their fringe players and we can't even sell our starters for decent sums


Yes he is. His 2 year loan is up and we were obligated to buy him outright at the end of it. So yes, he's ours.

Now it's mostly a matter of if we can make back the 30m or so we spent on him and get something extra in return. If something along those lines is offered. He's gone

I think there is some interest from a couple of EPL teams. The question is how will he fit in Giampaolo's midfield. Giampaolo seems to favor more technical players, but ...
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Linked with Capanni. Apparently he would get some time with the Serie A team. Thoughts?
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